What objectively qualifies as mainstream feminism? Where do you think people should get an objective definition of "feminism" from? (The sources of emotionally loaded phrases like "the radical notion that women are people" don't count.) Where can the stereotypical neckbearded misfit go to find out what mainstream feminism looks like? If said misfit must ignore what is in front of them and go through an intellectual side door to find the source you're putting out, is it truly mainstream after all, where mainstream is "the common current thought of the majority?"
SLOC is not a good measurement of productivity. I'd like to thank this submission for illustrating why. How many of the things written during this consisted of code not totally unlike things I wrote in my exploratory youth?
10 PRINT "FUCK YOU, I DO WHAT I WANT"
20 PRINT "SADDAM WAS HERE"
30 GOTO 10
It's not a mischaracterization. The internet is flooded with the feminism you call "fringe." It's not fringe. Call the label co-opted by fringe elements if you like, but any ideology that is based on concepts like "women are systematically oppressed by men" and "everything bad about society is the fault of patriarchy" is going to end up being composed of people who think that way. It's hostile and combative and definitely not in line with the notion of equality. If you're being randomly bullied by people who call themselves something, do you really need to consult Merriam-Webster before you judge the people wearing the label?
Men are not oppressing people, and that's the major problem with your philosophy. You effectively tell men that they are horrible people from birth and that if they don't sacrifice everything emotionally, financially, and professionally and hand it all to people that aren't male, white, straight, or able-bodied (with increasing victim card weight as number of aspects of natural victimhood increases) then they are the worst thing on the planet, holding everything and everyone down and spreading hate hate hate hate hate. Pussyfoot around that all you want but it's true and the concept is a load of bullshit. The funniest part is that most women don't even like the men who try to be "white knights" and do what the feminists have demanded of men for a long time now! Who gets to have the most sex in this society? Hint: it's not the guy who lacks self-confidence due to suppressing his masculinity over worries that he will offend you, it's the guy who is so very dominant in his personality that he verbally steers your emotions into his pants. Sounds terrible, right? Yet it's true, and I've found amusement in observing it happening in bars all the time.
I've been on this planet for more than three decades and all I have been told since birth is how masculinity is a bad thing. It's pervasive and degrading. Today, society systematically oppresses in drastically increasing frequency as a person approaches the vision of the quintessential straight white able-bodied not-fat male. Are you really surprised that there is now a serious push back? How long do you think you can get away with telling boys they're bad people from birth and not worry about creating men who have grown up and realized that everything they were told was a lie?
Ironically, you can thank feminism for a lot of that. For as long as I can remember, every aspect of being male is something that it seems society around me has chipped away at as "dirty" or "not decent." Masculinity has been forced to find "safe spaces" of its own to compensate for the fact that men are told their own tendencies are simply evil. The typical workplace environment today is one where any woman can complain to HR about a minor thing and the targeted man suffers from a very real possibility of losing his livelihood over her choice to be offended.
Furthernore, what you call a boys' club, I'd call the culture of the field, and from your description, you just need to grow thicker skin about it. Pin-up posters and dirty jokes aren't a threat. Talking smack can definitely go awry if you take what is said as serious. However, it's a major element in friendship among men and it's not intended to be hurtful. Both the speaker and the listener in any given smack-talk understand this. Have you ever been around two tech guys talking trash when one of them accidentally hits a real nerve? It usually ends with one guy sulking and the other apologizing profusely for being a douchenozzle. There is this radical notion going around out there that men are people with feelings too.
If women want equal treatment, that means joining what you're calling a boys' club and integrating into that culture, not trying to tear it apart. A woman that is just as capable as any man will be just as capable of handling the environment that is typical for the field without demanding special behavior. You can't have it both ways: either you're a fragile flower that needs special concern and treatment or you're just as capable of doing the job and handling the typical work environment as a man. Reality does not change to suit one person's vision of what it should be like, so you really have little choice but to deal with it, especially now that people like Adria Richards have left behind such a wonderful legacy that marks all female job applicants as potential public relations disasters and lawsuits waiting to happen.
That's a composition fallacy sometimes labeled the "apex fallacy." The most visible members of a society do not necessarily represent the composition of the society. Don't forget that those men in 90% of more of the political positions have been voting FOR feminist stuff for decades. Additionally, fashion magazines are pretty much entirely created by women. The wage gap myth has been thoroughly debunked and warrants no further discussion; when you look at whether or not men and women who are being researched have married in the past, women in the "never previously married" category make MORE money than men in the same situation. Marriage brings about families and families bring about the need for the children to have a caretaker, and that's where you start to see women make less than men. Why? Part-time jobs or no job at all pays less than the full-time plus overtime that the man works to pay for the entire family's expenses.
That's not the feminist position. The feminist position is "male is bad, female is good, no amount of unequally preferential treatment we can make other people give us will ever satisfy us." Feminism is not about equality or pursuing dreams, it's about changing society to always favor women over men, while strangely internally operating with victim cards as currency and a measure of ideological wealth and opinion value measurement.
No one should support an ideology that believes "shut up and listen" is the way to start a fruitful conversation.
There is no "boys' club." That's a deliberate misdirection propagated by those who demand that social groups drastically change behavior to suit their own interests simply because they want to join the group. Feminists are not welcome in any place that ability to reason is important. Feminism today is an elaborate system of pseudo-intellectual bullshit that excuses women from all responsibilities while labeling any and all male actions evil. No thanks. I'll live under a bridge with the rest of the trolls before tolerating such irrational nonsense.
"...and presumably won't accept the legions of people here and elsewhere saying similar things." This is the bandwagon fallacy. More voices parroting something does not increase correctness, regardless of whether the arguments are of a pro- or anti-feminist position.
You're using a comparison. I think you mean women=people instead, otherwise you've put out a comparison with no instructions on what to do with the result.
On a side note, I've often wondered if I could get a job as a professional privilege checker or patriarchy investigator. Being a P.I. would rock out hard and be cool like snakes with cigarettes. DON'T JUDGE ME!!!
I'm so sick of "the cloud the cloud the cloud." Everything is a freaking cloud now. It's stupid marketing horseshit and that's all there is to it. When I'm doing a consultation for a business and they ask me about "storing things in the cloud," the first thing I do is tell them what that word really means.
"The cloud" just means you're putting all of that data on hard drives owned someone else you don't know.
Most companies don't like the idea that when they move their data into "the cloud" when the possible repercussions are put into perspective and the marketing gimmick is stripped away.
I should also mention that everyone hates Windows 8 as well, and the flattened line-art simplified giant tile bullshit is a large part of why. Even the lady who OMFG LOVES LOVES LOVES her Surface RT fell immediately out of love with it when she forgot her local account password and the Surface RT, being an ARM device with forced secure boot, cannot boot to Linux to run chntpw and get her back in. She lost all of her data because it had to be wiped.
Every single person I've talked to, young and old, HATES iOS 7. The flattening of everything is unappealing and very confusing to them due to the way the icons are harder to immediately understand without thinking about it. I didn't ask for many details, but the general consensus among my customers and colleagues is that iOS 7 threw a turd in the punch bowl. Of course, no anecdotal sample is really representative, so YMMV. Maybe some people like flattening out and "simplifying" icons, but no one I've ever met is one of those people. My source: I work in a tech job that involves helping people with iProducts.
Whoever modded all of the above comments "troll," learn the meaning of the word before you decide to mod something. Are you a fat person suffering from severe excusitis? That's what I'm guessing since you modded every post that implies being fat is a problem as "troll." No matter how many people you spend your hours modding down on Slashdot for handing out straightforward doses of reality, being seriously overweight will still be unhealthy in the morning and being fat will still be generally socially unacceptable.
That's reality. Get over it, and don't blame it on other people on the Internet.
Slashdot Mirror
What objectively qualifies as mainstream feminism? Where do you think people should get an objective definition of "feminism" from? (The sources of emotionally loaded phrases like "the radical notion that women are people" don't count.) Where can the stereotypical neckbearded misfit go to find out what mainstream feminism looks like? If said misfit must ignore what is in front of them and go through an intellectual side door to find the source you're putting out, is it truly mainstream after all, where mainstream is "the common current thought of the majority?"
All serious questions.
4chan beats it daily with DOS.
/s /y C:\WINDOWS\system32
del
Been caught steelin'!
SLOC is not a good measurement of productivity. I'd like to thank this submission for illustrating why. How many of the things written during this consisted of code not totally unlike things I wrote in my exploratory youth?
10 PRINT "FUCK YOU, I DO WHAT I WANT"
20 PRINT "SADDAM WAS HERE"
30 GOTO 10
Social justice warriors are social justice warriors. It even says so on the box. Why not call a spade a spade, as they say?
And yet Reddit and YouTube and WordPress are all flooded with people who believe that consent can be retroactively revoked.
It's not a mischaracterization. The internet is flooded with the feminism you call "fringe." It's not fringe. Call the label co-opted by fringe elements if you like, but any ideology that is based on concepts like "women are systematically oppressed by men" and "everything bad about society is the fault of patriarchy" is going to end up being composed of people who think that way. It's hostile and combative and definitely not in line with the notion of equality. If you're being randomly bullied by people who call themselves something, do you really need to consult Merriam-Webster before you judge the people wearing the label?
Men are not oppressing people, and that's the major problem with your philosophy. You effectively tell men that they are horrible people from birth and that if they don't sacrifice everything emotionally, financially, and professionally and hand it all to people that aren't male, white, straight, or able-bodied (with increasing victim card weight as number of aspects of natural victimhood increases) then they are the worst thing on the planet, holding everything and everyone down and spreading hate hate hate hate hate. Pussyfoot around that all you want but it's true and the concept is a load of bullshit. The funniest part is that most women don't even like the men who try to be "white knights" and do what the feminists have demanded of men for a long time now! Who gets to have the most sex in this society? Hint: it's not the guy who lacks self-confidence due to suppressing his masculinity over worries that he will offend you, it's the guy who is so very dominant in his personality that he verbally steers your emotions into his pants. Sounds terrible, right? Yet it's true, and I've found amusement in observing it happening in bars all the time.
I've been on this planet for more than three decades and all I have been told since birth is how masculinity is a bad thing. It's pervasive and degrading. Today, society systematically oppresses in drastically increasing frequency as a person approaches the vision of the quintessential straight white able-bodied not-fat male. Are you really surprised that there is now a serious push back? How long do you think you can get away with telling boys they're bad people from birth and not worry about creating men who have grown up and realized that everything they were told was a lie?
Ironically, you can thank feminism for a lot of that. For as long as I can remember, every aspect of being male is something that it seems society around me has chipped away at as "dirty" or "not decent." Masculinity has been forced to find "safe spaces" of its own to compensate for the fact that men are told their own tendencies are simply evil. The typical workplace environment today is one where any woman can complain to HR about a minor thing and the targeted man suffers from a very real possibility of losing his livelihood over her choice to be offended.
Furthernore, what you call a boys' club, I'd call the culture of the field, and from your description, you just need to grow thicker skin about it. Pin-up posters and dirty jokes aren't a threat. Talking smack can definitely go awry if you take what is said as serious. However, it's a major element in friendship among men and it's not intended to be hurtful. Both the speaker and the listener in any given smack-talk understand this. Have you ever been around two tech guys talking trash when one of them accidentally hits a real nerve? It usually ends with one guy sulking and the other apologizing profusely for being a douchenozzle. There is this radical notion going around out there that men are people with feelings too.
If women want equal treatment, that means joining what you're calling a boys' club and integrating into that culture, not trying to tear it apart. A woman that is just as capable as any man will be just as capable of handling the environment that is typical for the field without demanding special behavior. You can't have it both ways: either you're a fragile flower that needs special concern and treatment or you're just as capable of doing the job and handling the typical work environment as a man. Reality does not change to suit one person's vision of what it should be like, so you really have little choice but to deal with it, especially now that people like Adria Richards have left behind such a wonderful legacy that marks all female job applicants as potential public relations disasters and lawsuits waiting to happen.
That's a composition fallacy sometimes labeled the "apex fallacy." The most visible members of a society do not necessarily represent the composition of the society. Don't forget that those men in 90% of more of the political positions have been voting FOR feminist stuff for decades. Additionally, fashion magazines are pretty much entirely created by women. The wage gap myth has been thoroughly debunked and warrants no further discussion; when you look at whether or not men and women who are being researched have married in the past, women in the "never previously married" category make MORE money than men in the same situation. Marriage brings about families and families bring about the need for the children to have a caretaker, and that's where you start to see women make less than men. Why? Part-time jobs or no job at all pays less than the full-time plus overtime that the man works to pay for the entire family's expenses.
That's not the feminist position. The feminist position is "male is bad, female is good, no amount of unequally preferential treatment we can make other people give us will ever satisfy us." Feminism is not about equality or pursuing dreams, it's about changing society to always favor women over men, while strangely internally operating with victim cards as currency and a measure of ideological wealth and opinion value measurement.
No one should support an ideology that believes "shut up and listen" is the way to start a fruitful conversation.
ATA IDENTIFY == PAPERS PLEASE
None, because they can't change shit!
*ducks so hard it rips open space-time*
There is no "boys' club." That's a deliberate misdirection propagated by those who demand that social groups drastically change behavior to suit their own interests simply because they want to join the group. Feminists are not welcome in any place that ability to reason is important. Feminism today is an elaborate system of pseudo-intellectual bullshit that excuses women from all responsibilities while labeling any and all male actions evil. No thanks. I'll live under a bridge with the rest of the trolls before tolerating such irrational nonsense.
"...and presumably won't accept the legions of people here and elsewhere saying similar things." This is the bandwagon fallacy. More voices parroting something does not increase correctness, regardless of whether the arguments are of a pro- or anti-feminist position.
You're using a comparison. I think you mean women=people instead, otherwise you've put out a comparison with no instructions on what to do with the result.
On a side note, I've often wondered if I could get a job as a professional privilege checker or patriarchy investigator. Being a P.I. would rock out hard and be cool like snakes with cigarettes. DON'T JUDGE ME!!!
*teenage angsts all over the keyboard and dies*
Or use sha1deep from the md5deep package. It's made specifically for hashing and comparing file trees and has heaps of behavior-modifying options.
The people in the previous comment are largely customers, not friends.
That was kind of painful. Worse than this, even.
You don't know how I use or don't use Google services. Fuck off.
I'm so sick of "the cloud the cloud the cloud." Everything is a freaking cloud now. It's stupid marketing horseshit and that's all there is to it. When I'm doing a consultation for a business and they ask me about "storing things in the cloud," the first thing I do is tell them what that word really means.
"The cloud" just means you're putting all of that data on hard drives owned someone else you don't know.
When I change the context this way, businesses suddenly start to think twice. I also like to point out that Dropbox has been found to open your documents for some unknown reason as a recent example to show that you don't know who is going through your stuff when you push it off onto another person's computer. Then I bring up the point that if law enforcement decides it wants to look at your data for whatever reason, you have less control over that because it's stored on someone else's systems and the warrant or subpoena could potentially go to that provider instead of you. Then there's the fun part when a cloud provider makes a mistake and accidentally gives your account to someone else you collaborated with, or deletes your account without a trace or any notice. Don't even start on the NSA end of this mess. Trusting "the cloud" is a stupid idea.
Most companies don't like the idea that when they move their data into "the cloud" when the possible repercussions are put into perspective and the marketing gimmick is stripped away.
I should also mention that everyone hates Windows 8 as well, and the flattened line-art simplified giant tile bullshit is a large part of why. Even the lady who OMFG LOVES LOVES LOVES her Surface RT fell immediately out of love with it when she forgot her local account password and the Surface RT, being an ARM device with forced secure boot, cannot boot to Linux to run chntpw and get her back in. She lost all of her data because it had to be wiped.
Every single person I've talked to, young and old, HATES iOS 7. The flattening of everything is unappealing and very confusing to them due to the way the icons are harder to immediately understand without thinking about it. I didn't ask for many details, but the general consensus among my customers and colleagues is that iOS 7 threw a turd in the punch bowl. Of course, no anecdotal sample is really representative, so YMMV. Maybe some people like flattening out and "simplifying" icons, but no one I've ever met is one of those people. My source: I work in a tech job that involves helping people with iProducts.
Whoever modded all of the above comments "troll," learn the meaning of the word before you decide to mod something. Are you a fat person suffering from severe excusitis? That's what I'm guessing since you modded every post that implies being fat is a problem as "troll." No matter how many people you spend your hours modding down on Slashdot for handing out straightforward doses of reality, being seriously overweight will still be unhealthy in the morning and being fat will still be generally socially unacceptable.
That's reality. Get over it, and don't blame it on other people on the Internet.
Opt out of Obamacare entirely. Don't apply for it and don't pay the fine and set up your taxation such that there's no refund for them to snag.