Enterprise server arena? You do realize that the competition being listed here on/. is joe-blow's homemade athlon box x 1100 units. And ECC Memory? Again, compare to joe-blow. This is all about price-performance.
As for proven reliability. Compare prices on ebay. The mac lasts longer.
And when is saying that the vendor, my time, or ease of use are important baseless???
Ah yes, the traditional "I'm the superior troll formula:" 1. Don't say you're on top of stuff, but claim that the other can't be. 2. Quote out of context 3. Categorize their statements into some form of formula, thus trying to fight the argument by its appearance, not its content.
To be fair, you got me on the -fviolate-ieee. I saw it on a/. comment and assumed it was correct. The full claim is that to get gcc to emit the same x86 FP code as the intel compiler, you have to use -ffast-math, which makes assumptions that can violate IEEE rules.
The G5 is nice & quiet. A roomful of them at WWDC'03 was quiet enough for normal conversation at normal levels. With GCC's so-so optimizer, it beat out the Xeon, for which gcc's been more heavily optimized. We can see the real hard-core stuff with the IBM xlc vs ICC. Expect that when the G5 2Ghz start to ship in numbers.
And when does describing scientific uses a cluster's make me superior??
(and of course, after all that intellectual trash-talk, I posted without preview. here it is again, with the right (semi-) formatting).
Lots of "WHY?" questions, with lots of pointless trolling on the G5; but none of them actually look for answers. Mostly just more idiots who can't understand that a good vendor is important; that their own time is important; that ease of use is even more important now than it ever has been before. Luckily, these same idiots spend all their time setting up sendmail over their 14.4 modem.
As for the G5, here are some strongpoints for it:
- A fast memory pipe (1GHz)
- Good heat management (9 fans but it's quieter than its predecessor)
- Damn good FP performance
(To get comparable FP performance on intel, you have to use the -fviolate-ieee flag on gcc, think about that)
- Vendor-installed, vendor-supported Unix, with the vendor employing the entire OS's development team.
- Fast system interconnects with network & I/O
- Easy system setup (this matters a lot when you've got 1100 of them)
- Proven apple reliability (and if you're going to fight this one, have something better than "is not!") (again, very important when you've got 1100 of them)
Oh yeah, and OS X. Mach microkernel, Rondezvous, and distributed builds in the default toolset. Again, the idiots I mentioned above wouldn't have a clue about this stuff.
As for _why_ VT getting this, VT's one of the largest engineering schools in the country. We've gotta simulate airflow over wings, heat propogation over materials, and other stufff this CS major doesn't understand. And we've got big development in bioinformatics. All kinds of CPU to crunch. AFAIK, the cluster's being paid for by federal grants or something like that.
And now fools, flame me. Prove me right.
Lots of "WHY?" questions, with lots of pointless trolling on the G5; but none of them actually look for answers. Mostly just more idiots who can't understand that a good vendor is important; that their own time is important; that ease of use is even more important now than it ever has been before. Luckily, these same idiots spend all their time setting up sendmail over their 14.4 modem.
As for the G5, here are some strongpoints for it:
- A fast memory pipe (1GHz)
- Good heat management (9 fans but it's quieter than its predecessor)
- Damn good FP performance
(To get comparable FP performance on intel, you have to use the -fviolate-ieee flag on gcc, think about that)
- Vendor-installed, vendor-supported Unix, with the vendor employing the entire OS's development team.
- Fast system interconnects with network & I/O
- Easy system setup (this matters a lot when you've got 1100 of them)
- Proven apple reliability (and if you're going to fight this one, have something better than "is not!") (again, very important when you've got 1100 of them)
Oh yeah, and OS X. Mach microkernel, Rondezvous, and distributed builds in the default toolset. Again, the idiots I mentioned above wouldn't have a clue about this stuff.
As for _why_ VT getting this, VT's one of the largest engineering schools in the country. We've gotta simulate airflow over wings, heat propogation over materials, and other stufff this CS major doesn't understand. And we've got big development in bioinformatics. All kinds of CPU to crunch. AFAIK, the cluster's being paid for by federal grants or something like that.
And now fools, flame me. Prove me right.
So wait the 30 days until your PC's obsolete. Then buy a mac. They do last longer. Check out ebay sometime. Hell those high prices are for machines that don't even pretend to run OS X.
The phones are too big & ugly. I'll stick to my digitally-controlled analog watch, thanks. As for cute laptops, check out dynamism.com, they import the best from japan.
Read. Some good books on programming will treat you much better AND make it feel like a vacation. That, and you will fit in better with your SO. For example, here are a few for C++:
Effective C++
More Effective C++
Modern C++ Design
Exceptional C++
More Exceptional C++
Effective STL
Yeah, the names are redundant, but they're all very good texts.
Remember that GM is spending $1 billion on hybrid cars over the next few years; even for them a sizable investment. They are looking towards new powerplants, it's just that electric cars suck.
Before everyone gets on my case about it, I spent 2 years on a team that built hybrid cars. Electric powerplants, by themselves, are ecological nightmares. The majority of our wall-socket power is via coal or other equally ecoterrorizing sources. Their battery packs are highly poisonous, and gigantic on normal electric vehicles. GM's even spending a good portion of its money on hydrogen powered cars, which don't create any CO2.
Even though there are some concerns about the source of hydrogen, you can 'cook' oil and extract it from there, without combustion.
Explain why you'd intentionally make something swing-like. You don't program swing, you fight swing. You fight it with your teeth and nails. Then it decides to resize your button, and you just give up.
Have all the cars "agree" to start at the same time, say an "all clear time" set by officers. Then they synchronize on a GPS time signal, which hits all of them at damn close to the same time.
Here's an exercise: cut out all caffeine for six months. Yes, I said six months. Notice how your mind is calmer and more organized. Notice how your hands don't shake at the same frequency as the fluorescent lights above you. Notice how your penis now grows to full length.
Fortran 90 has plenty of structured programming features to make maintainable code. Equally, if not more important, is that Fortran code can be much better optimized than C/C++ code for numerics. IBM did a good job on Fortran, and it's still a major player today.
Actually, that's false. As computers get more powerful, the user's expectations of what the computer can do, and its speed, increases. Pure "speed" isn't too important to the majority of users; they want new functionality when they buy a new machine.
Good idea! My suggestion can be considered level 2: start docking pay until they get their ass in gear. If they don't understand something, it's their responsibility to find out. They're getting paid to write code. Any inaction towards that goal is acceptable cause to dock pay.
I don't believe any part of OS X is compiled with metrowerk's compiler, but I'm probably wrong.
However, the codewarrior compiler create significantly better PPC code than gcc. This probably has to do with the fact that metrowerks is a motorola company and the compiler writers can just pick up a phone and talk to the cpu designers...
Depends on the PC you're comparing it with:-). The powermacs are about average, IMHO.
Memory. MHz doesn't help when you're swapping.
Pricewise, memory is best bought elsewhere. Most everything else is fairly reasonable.
Whatever you want! Even the baseline powermac comes with a dual-head capable video card, only one of the outputs is in ADC. Try & find a converter, otherwise a 2nd card will be necessary. I don't know much about the success with 2 cards, but I doubt you'll have a problem.
the powermacs come with 7200RPM drives by default, and I don't think the IDE is usually a problem. Only if you plan to do some major disk I/O would SCSI be worth the investment. You may be able to buffer it all with enough RAM.
Glad to hear you're making the switch! I have zero regrets and my life has become much simpler without the constant worry about my hardware & unix config. Good luck!
The removable drives are $321!! At the Apple Store, you can pick up the same drive mechanism with a firewire interface for $99!
Not sure if this link will work for everyone: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/A ppleStore.woa/51/wo/0xQ0h03uOCgCTPRvcF2/1.3.0.3.30 ..3.13.13.0
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Enterprise server arena? You do realize that the competition being listed here on /. is joe-blow's homemade athlon box x 1100 units. And ECC Memory? Again, compare to joe-blow. This is all about price-performance.
/. comment and assumed it was correct. The full claim is that to get gcc to emit the same x86 FP code as the intel compiler, you have to use -ffast-math, which makes assumptions that can violate IEEE rules.
As for proven reliability. Compare prices on ebay. The mac lasts longer.
And when is saying that the vendor, my time, or ease of use are important baseless???
Ah yes, the traditional "I'm the superior troll formula:"
1. Don't say you're on top of stuff, but claim that the other can't be.
2. Quote out of context
3. Categorize their statements into some form of formula, thus trying to fight the argument by its appearance, not its content.
To be fair, you got me on the -fviolate-ieee. I saw it on a
The G5 is nice & quiet. A roomful of them at WWDC'03 was quiet enough for normal conversation at normal levels. With GCC's so-so optimizer, it beat out the Xeon, for which gcc's been more heavily optimized. We can see the real hard-core stuff with the IBM xlc vs ICC. Expect that when the G5 2Ghz start to ship in numbers.
And when does describing scientific uses a cluster's make me superior??
(and of course, after all that intellectual trash-talk, I posted without preview. here it is again, with the right (semi-) formatting). Lots of "WHY?" questions, with lots of pointless trolling on the G5; but none of them actually look for answers. Mostly just more idiots who can't understand that a good vendor is important; that their own time is important; that ease of use is even more important now than it ever has been before. Luckily, these same idiots spend all their time setting up sendmail over their 14.4 modem. As for the G5, here are some strongpoints for it: - A fast memory pipe (1GHz) - Good heat management (9 fans but it's quieter than its predecessor) - Damn good FP performance (To get comparable FP performance on intel, you have to use the -fviolate-ieee flag on gcc, think about that) - Vendor-installed, vendor-supported Unix, with the vendor employing the entire OS's development team. - Fast system interconnects with network & I/O - Easy system setup (this matters a lot when you've got 1100 of them) - Proven apple reliability (and if you're going to fight this one, have something better than "is not!") (again, very important when you've got 1100 of them) Oh yeah, and OS X. Mach microkernel, Rondezvous, and distributed builds in the default toolset. Again, the idiots I mentioned above wouldn't have a clue about this stuff. As for _why_ VT getting this, VT's one of the largest engineering schools in the country. We've gotta simulate airflow over wings, heat propogation over materials, and other stufff this CS major doesn't understand. And we've got big development in bioinformatics. All kinds of CPU to crunch. AFAIK, the cluster's being paid for by federal grants or something like that. And now fools, flame me. Prove me right.
Lots of "WHY?" questions, with lots of pointless trolling on the G5; but none of them actually look for answers. Mostly just more idiots who can't understand that a good vendor is important; that their own time is important; that ease of use is even more important now than it ever has been before. Luckily, these same idiots spend all their time setting up sendmail over their 14.4 modem. As for the G5, here are some strongpoints for it: - A fast memory pipe (1GHz) - Good heat management (9 fans but it's quieter than its predecessor) - Damn good FP performance (To get comparable FP performance on intel, you have to use the -fviolate-ieee flag on gcc, think about that) - Vendor-installed, vendor-supported Unix, with the vendor employing the entire OS's development team. - Fast system interconnects with network & I/O - Easy system setup (this matters a lot when you've got 1100 of them) - Proven apple reliability (and if you're going to fight this one, have something better than "is not!") (again, very important when you've got 1100 of them) Oh yeah, and OS X. Mach microkernel, Rondezvous, and distributed builds in the default toolset. Again, the idiots I mentioned above wouldn't have a clue about this stuff. As for _why_ VT getting this, VT's one of the largest engineering schools in the country. We've gotta simulate airflow over wings, heat propogation over materials, and other stufff this CS major doesn't understand. And we've got big development in bioinformatics. All kinds of CPU to crunch. AFAIK, the cluster's being paid for by federal grants or something like that. And now fools, flame me. Prove me right.
No, it's worse when you can't figure out what would make that statement dirty. That's when you know you're getting too old.
but this is fucking sick. Stop it. Go fight world hunger or something.
So wait the 30 days until your PC's obsolete. Then buy a mac. They do last longer. Check out ebay sometime. Hell those high prices are for machines that don't even pretend to run OS X.
The vehicle is provided by the manufacturor, at no cost to the schools.
Say it with me: friends don't let friends use flash.
The phones are too big & ugly. I'll stick to my digitally-controlled analog watch, thanks. As for cute laptops, check out dynamism.com, they import the best from japan.
I just wet my pants... Time for the mop.
- Effective C++
- More Effective C++
- Modern C++ Design
- Exceptional C++
- More Exceptional C++
- Effective STL
Yeah, the names are redundant, but they're all very good texts.One of the two screens are going to get very dirty after being used as a keyboard for a while.
Before everyone gets on my case about it, I spent 2 years on a team that built hybrid cars. Electric powerplants, by themselves, are ecological nightmares. The majority of our wall-socket power is via coal or other equally ecoterrorizing sources. Their battery packs are highly poisonous, and gigantic on normal electric vehicles. GM's even spending a good portion of its money on hydrogen powered cars, which don't create any CO2.
Even though there are some concerns about the source of hydrogen, you can 'cook' oil and extract it from there, without combustion.
Seriously. Why don't they just stop turn the system off for 72 hours? Let all the infected die, and everyone else is ok.
Explain why you'd intentionally make something swing-like. You don't program swing, you fight swing. You fight it with your teeth and nails. Then it decides to resize your button, and you just give up.
Have all the cars "agree" to start at the same time, say an "all clear time" set by officers. Then they synchronize on a GPS time signal, which hits all of them at damn close to the same time.
Here's an exercise: cut out all caffeine for six months. Yes, I said six months. Notice how your mind is calmer and more organized. Notice how your hands don't shake at the same frequency as the fluorescent lights above you. Notice how your penis now grows to full length.
'Linux will solve all your problems'
Fortran 90 has plenty of structured programming features to make maintainable code. Equally, if not more important, is that Fortran code can be much better optimized than C/C++ code for numerics. IBM did a good job on Fortran, and it's still a major player today.
Actually, that's false. As computers get more powerful, the user's expectations of what the computer can do, and its speed, increases. Pure "speed" isn't too important to the majority of users; they want new functionality when they buy a new machine.
Good idea! My suggestion can be considered level 2: start docking pay until they get their ass in gear. If they don't understand something, it's their responsibility to find out. They're getting paid to write code. Any inaction towards that goal is acceptable cause to dock pay.
However, the codewarrior compiler create significantly better PPC code than gcc. This probably has to do with the fact that metrowerks is a motorola company and the compiler writers can just pick up a phone and talk to the cpu designers...
Glad to hear you're making the switch! I have zero regrets and my life has become much simpler without the constant worry about my hardware & unix config. Good luck!
The removable drives are $321!! At the Apple Store, you can pick up the same drive mechanism with a firewire interface for $99! Not sure if this link will work for everyone: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/A ppleStore.woa/51/wo/0xQ0h03uOCgCTPRvcF2/1.3.0.3.30 . .3.13.13.0