Because of arcane copyright law and a few other things, the BBC won't ship their productions outside the U.K. You have to find a willing third party to buy it local and ship it for you. I know there were a couple people with a small side-business doing just that operating off of E-bay.
Oddly enough, I could listen live via BBC 4 internet from Stateside.
Dude, you didn't educate me. I'm in my 40s, fairly well educated and grew up on a military base in Europe. I'm familiar with the usage of the terms you quoted and have been for a couple decades now.
I'm saying the division of things into three tiers -- haves, 2nd fiddle, have nots -- isn't exclusive to that one definition. The terms themselves are in the popular consciousness, even though a large portion of the population wasn't born until after the fall of the USSR. They are generally understood to mean just what I defined in this paragraph.
Quote Wikipedia on Third World:
This definition provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on social, political, and economic divisions. Although the term continues to be used colloquially to describe the poorest countries in the world, this usage is widely disparaged since the term no longer holds any verifiable meaning after the fall of the Soviet Union deprecated the terms First World and Second World.
Even after the fall the terms are in use colloquially, which is exactly what I was doing. Supporting evidence can be also found on Wikipedia quoting on First World:
Since its original definition, the term First World has come to be largely synonymous with developed and/or highly developed countries (depending on which definition is being used).
In short, the terms have evolved like everything else in the English language and you're refusing to recognize that.
That is the typical reason given, but when you look at the quality of service in the areas of the U.S. which comparable population density, it doesn't hold water.
Case in point, AT&T is admitting their service in NYC and SF are horrible. These are two of the densest populated areas of the country, and the network is significantly underperforming.
I'll grant you that on availability of 3G out in the hinterlands, places like the U.S. and Canada will never be able to compete with the little countries.
No, I'm not confused. You just didn't understand my use of the analogy.
I was talking about the state of telecommunications, specifically related to broadband availability, speed and cost. I was doing it using the same scale you defined, but in relation not to political-economic strata but telecom.
Thus, I was just breaking down the levels of telecom in the world into three segments:
The first world being marked by places like Sweden and S. Korea, where things like 100 Mbit data to your home or office is cheap and available. Where 3G or better wireless coverage is pervasive, including not only 90%+ of the population, but the majority of the landmass as well.
The second world is marked by places like the U.S. and Canada, where there are large stretches of open land where the best you can get is ISDN or dial-up. They aren't all that populated, but there are still a lot of them. The high-speed networks that are available are overloaded and overpriced (in comparison), if not a generation behind the 1st World (as defined above) in speed and latency.
The third world is where you're lucky to get a decent data connection, or they're restricted to major metro areas and priced well out of the range of the locals. Also, bandwidth to the greater Internet is in short supply, expensive and quite possibly restricted.
* * *
Your first clue should have been the phrase "Soviet Union" in your definition. Last I checked, they dissolved a couple decades back. And while there are plenty of dictators, the communist ones are fairly few and far between now.
Oddly enough, the better thought "tech" areas in the U.S., like Manhattan and San Francisco, are more like 3rd World when it comes to wireless.
You'd figure, with Pac Bell's (now AT&T) HQ being in San Ramon, service in the Bay Area would be better than elsewhere. You'd figure wrong, sadly enough.
Yes. The U.S. is really a 2nd World country when it comes to broadband and high-speed telecom. We don't like to outright admit it, but that is the truth compared to places like Sweden or S. Korea.
Disaster Area, with the lead signer Hotblack Desiato spending a year dead for tax purposes.
Damn, that was funny stuff.
There are people in the U.K. willing to face the wrath of the power that be and ship over the CDs of all the radio dramas that the BBC did. Well worth the few extra $$.
According to the article, the energy in the lasers is enough to boil a liter or so of water. The point that the pulses are measured in nanoseconds and a full second pulse could boil and Olympic-sized swimming pool.
I leave it as an exercise to the reader to do the math on how many Olympic-sized swimming pools there are in all the world's oceans and how long the pulse would have to be to boil them. Theoretically of course, and excluding heat dissipation over distance, etc.
Feel free to form a separate thread with Dr. Evil references.
The drummer was nowhere to be found. Frantic inquiries led to the discovery that he was standing on a beach on Santraginus V over a hundred light years away where, he claimed, he had been happy for half an hour now and had found a small stone that would be his friend.
The band's manager was profoundly relieved. It meant that for the seventeenth time on this tour the drums would be played by a robot and that therefore the timing of the cymballistics would be right.
He, and you, forgot Admiral Dr. Grace Murray Hopper, lead of the team that invented COBOL and erroneously attributed to finding an insect (bug) in a computer that cause a fault and popularizing the "bugs in the system" saying.
Yes, you said the list goes on, but Dr. Hopper deserves a specific mention.
In Iran, moreso than China from what I understand, the Internet and telephones go thru central choke points that are controlled by the gov't. They can effectively just turn the whole damn Internet off in their country, if they like. Ditto for cell phones and text messaging.
My first question would be is peer-to-peer traffic regulated, and if so, how? While the gov't might be able to cut off the main Internet egress points, all it would take is one person with a covert satellite link and a good p2p network. Or, maybe, a covert side channel on a bank leased line that runs to Switzerland, for example? How about packet radio? Twitter isn't exactly super bandwidth intensive.
But what part? An exception was granted back in 1994(?) for open-source cryptography. It doesn't require export review or control, just an e-mail notification with a URL to the source code.
Considering the massive percentage of the world's population that lives withing 100 miles of a coastline or major river, this isn't a surprise. Historically civilizations developed along the major rivers -- Tigres-Euphrates, Nile, Amazon, Yellow, Indus, etc. so every major civ having a flood myth isn't far fetched at all.
Something I asked myself before accepting the job. Here is my answer...
First, it was going to happen anyway. Someone would have done it because it has been in place for some time and there seemed to be no issue with telecom companies more than willing to bend over backwards to accommodate the gov't and wiretapping. In is inevitable.
No, the answer isn't "well if everyone refused to do it..." because the country has no shortage of people who think that only the bad guys have problems with wiretapping and the gov't is doing a good think. All them terrorists, child pornographers, etc. need to get caught and what do YOU have to hide, comrade?
So, I really wanted to have first hand knowledge of how the system worked. The job gave me the opportunity to learn it inside out, so I wasn't relying on 2nd- and 3rd-hand information, conjecture or paranoid delusions. And it did that. For wireless (cell), I worked on the system end-to-end. I know how it works, what the strengths and weaknesses are and all the little details.
While there are certainly variations between different telecom implementations, they aren't that huge because there are only a handful of equipment vendors.
Get out, get vocal, tell people, tell average people on the street when they hang up their phone that all that information just got logged for the government.
That isn't quite how it works. Other than the normal billing logs, the phone companies do NOT log all the data, much less voice logs, without a specific request.
I spent 2 years helping implement CALEA for Sprint/Nextel and was the point person for much of the integration. The simple truth is, the telecom companies don't have the storage capacity to log all the niggling details that CALEA requires for everyone. Hell, if the link between the CO and the LEO goes down, they're only required to store call data, not voice. That is all the button pushes, numbers called, etc. Voice is uploaded live and if the link is down, so is the voice collect.
Normal billing records include the phone number, direction and duration. CALEA records include EVERYTHING -- cell tower connected to, buttons pushed, call response, number of rings, text messages, multi-party calls, etc.
The truth is, the gov't DOESN'T log everything every time you use a phone. And no, on the cell networks I've worked on, they don't even listen for "key words" ala ECHELON unless it goes international.
Unless, of course, you or another party on the line is a target.
Really? They have judges, lawyers, clerks, hearings and all the trappings of a court.
Quote their home page: The Commission also adjudicates cases involving imports that allegedly infringe intellectual property rights. "Adjudicates" implies court.
Further quote: Section 337 investigations, which are conducted pursuant to 19 U.S.C. 1337 and the Administrative Procedure Act, include trial proceedings before administrative law judges and review by the Commission.
The big draw of E-Ink is that it only uses power when doing a page change. Do the color versions mentioned in TFA do that as well? If so, welcome. If not, nice try but fail.
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Because of arcane copyright law and a few other things, the BBC won't ship their productions outside the U.K. You have to find a willing third party to buy it local and ship it for you. I know there were a couple people with a small side-business doing just that operating off of E-bay.
Oddly enough, I could listen live via BBC 4 internet from Stateside.
Dude, you didn't educate me. I'm in my 40s, fairly well educated and grew up on a military base in Europe. I'm familiar with the usage of the terms you quoted and have been for a couple decades now.
I'm saying the division of things into three tiers -- haves, 2nd fiddle, have nots -- isn't exclusive to that one definition. The terms themselves are in the popular consciousness, even though a large portion of the population wasn't born until after the fall of the USSR. They are generally understood to mean just what I defined in this paragraph.
Quote Wikipedia on Third World:
This definition provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on social, political, and economic divisions. Although the term continues to be used colloquially to describe the poorest countries in the world, this usage is widely disparaged since the term no longer holds any verifiable meaning after the fall of the Soviet Union deprecated the terms First World and Second World.
Even after the fall the terms are in use colloquially, which is exactly what I was doing. Supporting evidence can be also found on Wikipedia quoting on First World:
Since its original definition, the term First World has come to be largely synonymous with developed and/or highly developed countries (depending on which definition is being used).
In short, the terms have evolved like everything else in the English language and you're refusing to recognize that.
That is the typical reason given, but when you look at the quality of service in the areas of the U.S. which comparable population density, it doesn't hold water.
Case in point, AT&T is admitting their service in NYC and SF are horrible. These are two of the densest populated areas of the country, and the network is significantly underperforming.
I'll grant you that on availability of 3G out in the hinterlands, places like the U.S. and Canada will never be able to compete with the little countries.
No, I'm not confused. You just didn't understand my use of the analogy.
I was talking about the state of telecommunications, specifically related to broadband availability, speed and cost. I was doing it using the same scale you defined, but in relation not to political-economic strata but telecom.
Thus, I was just breaking down the levels of telecom in the world into three segments:
The first world being marked by places like Sweden and S. Korea, where things like 100 Mbit data to your home or office is cheap and available. Where 3G or better wireless coverage is pervasive, including not only 90%+ of the population, but the majority of the landmass as well.
The second world is marked by places like the U.S. and Canada, where there are large stretches of open land where the best you can get is ISDN or dial-up. They aren't all that populated, but there are still a lot of them. The high-speed networks that are available are overloaded and overpriced (in comparison), if not a generation behind the 1st World (as defined above) in speed and latency.
The third world is where you're lucky to get a decent data connection, or they're restricted to major metro areas and priced well out of the range of the locals. Also, bandwidth to the greater Internet is in short supply, expensive and quite possibly restricted.
* * *
Your first clue should have been the phrase "Soviet Union" in your definition. Last I checked, they dissolved a couple decades back. And while there are plenty of dictators, the communist ones are fairly few and far between now.
Oddly enough, the better thought "tech" areas in the U.S., like Manhattan and San Francisco, are more like 3rd World when it comes to wireless.
You'd figure, with Pac Bell's (now AT&T) HQ being in San Ramon, service in the Bay Area would be better than elsewhere. You'd figure wrong, sadly enough.
Yes. The U.S. is really a 2nd World country when it comes to broadband and high-speed telecom. We don't like to outright admit it, but that is the truth compared to places like Sweden or S. Korea.
Here in Chicago, too. http://www.clear.com/coverage
Disaster Area, with the lead signer Hotblack Desiato spending a year dead for tax purposes.
Damn, that was funny stuff.
There are people in the U.K. willing to face the wrath of the power that be and ship over the CDs of all the radio dramas that the BBC did. Well worth the few extra $$.
According to the article, the energy in the lasers is enough to boil a liter or so of water. The point that the pulses are measured in nanoseconds and a full second pulse could boil and Olympic-sized swimming pool.
I leave it as an exercise to the reader to do the math on how many Olympic-sized swimming pools there are in all the world's oceans and how long the pulse would have to be to boil them. Theoretically of course, and excluding heat dissipation over distance, etc.
Feel free to form a separate thread with Dr. Evil references.
We were naming women, not gay men. They have their own thread in this discussion.
Ah, progress!
The drummer was nowhere to be found. Frantic inquiries led to the discovery that he was standing on a beach on Santraginus V over a hundred light years away where, he claimed, he had been happy for half an hour now and had found a small stone that would be his friend.
The band's manager was profoundly relieved. It meant that for the seventeenth time on this tour the drums would be played by a robot and that therefore the timing of the cymballistics would be right.
He, and you, forgot Admiral Dr. Grace Murray Hopper, lead of the team that invented COBOL and erroneously attributed to finding an insect (bug) in a computer that cause a fault and popularizing the "bugs in the system" saying.
Yes, you said the list goes on, but Dr. Hopper deserves a specific mention.
I think you mean "attempted suicide", otherwise your implying that not only is there an afterlife, it is boring enough you sit around posting to /.
In Iran, moreso than China from what I understand, the Internet and telephones go thru central choke points that are controlled by the gov't. They can effectively just turn the whole damn Internet off in their country, if they like. Ditto for cell phones and text messaging.
My first question would be is peer-to-peer traffic regulated, and if so, how? While the gov't might be able to cut off the main Internet egress points, all it would take is one person with a covert satellite link and a good p2p network. Or, maybe, a covert side channel on a bank leased line that runs to Switzerland, for example? How about packet radio? Twitter isn't exactly super bandwidth intensive.
I don't talk on the phone for anything even remotely private, that's what I do. :-)
Here is the other stuff: http://www.howtobeinvisible.com/
But what part? An exception was granted back in 1994(?) for open-source cryptography. It doesn't require export review or control, just an e-mail notification with a URL to the source code.
I'm not sure what else would apply...
Considering the massive percentage of the world's population that lives withing 100 miles of a coastline or major river, this isn't a surprise. Historically civilizations developed along the major rivers -- Tigres-Euphrates, Nile, Amazon, Yellow, Indus, etc. so every major civ having a flood myth isn't far fetched at all.
Something I asked myself before accepting the job. Here is my answer...
First, it was going to happen anyway. Someone would have done it because it has been in place for some time and there seemed to be no issue with telecom companies more than willing to bend over backwards to accommodate the gov't and wiretapping. In is inevitable.
No, the answer isn't "well if everyone refused to do it..." because the country has no shortage of people who think that only the bad guys have problems with wiretapping and the gov't is doing a good think. All them terrorists, child pornographers, etc. need to get caught and what do YOU have to hide, comrade?
So, I really wanted to have first hand knowledge of how the system worked. The job gave me the opportunity to learn it inside out, so I wasn't relying on 2nd- and 3rd-hand information, conjecture or paranoid delusions. And it did that. For wireless (cell), I worked on the system end-to-end. I know how it works, what the strengths and weaknesses are and all the little details.
While there are certainly variations between different telecom implementations, they aren't that huge because there are only a handful of equipment vendors.
For me, that was enough to accept the position.
I thought you just misread the original post.
Don't I at least get a "whoosh"? :-)
Uhhhh...no?
10.0.0.0/8 is, and always will be, an RFC-1918 private IP address used for internal networks and NAT.
The company in question was using 1.0.0.0/8, just because it was routable and unused.
Get out, get vocal, tell people, tell average people on the street when they hang up their phone that all that information just got logged for the government.
That isn't quite how it works. Other than the normal billing logs, the phone companies do NOT log all the data, much less voice logs, without a specific request.
I spent 2 years helping implement CALEA for Sprint/Nextel and was the point person for much of the integration. The simple truth is, the telecom companies don't have the storage capacity to log all the niggling details that CALEA requires for everyone. Hell, if the link between the CO and the LEO goes down, they're only required to store call data, not voice. That is all the button pushes, numbers called, etc. Voice is uploaded live and if the link is down, so is the voice collect.
Normal billing records include the phone number, direction and duration. CALEA records include EVERYTHING -- cell tower connected to, buttons pushed, call response, number of rings, text messages, multi-party calls, etc.
The truth is, the gov't DOESN'T log everything every time you use a phone. And no, on the cell networks I've worked on, they don't even listen for "key words" ala ECHELON unless it goes international.
Unless, of course, you or another party on the line is a target.
Really? They have judges, lawyers, clerks, hearings and all the trappings of a court.
Quote their home page: The Commission also adjudicates cases involving imports that allegedly infringe intellectual property rights. "Adjudicates" implies court.
Further quote: Section 337 investigations, which are conducted pursuant to 19 U.S.C. 1337 and the Administrative Procedure Act, include trial proceedings before administrative law judges and review by the Commission.
He must be the mysterious 5th dentist in the "4 out of 5 dentists agree..."
Who you talking to, noob?
The big draw of E-Ink is that it only uses power when doing a page change. Do the color versions mentioned in TFA do that as well? If so, welcome. If not, nice try but fail.