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Twitter Developing Technology To Thwart Censorship

SHMG writes "Micro-blogging site Twitter is developing technology that will prevent government censorship, after Iran and China moved to censor its users. Speaking at the World Economic Forum, Twitter CEO and co-founder Evan Williams said the company was working on 'hacks' to stop any blocking by foreign governments. 'We are partially blocked in China and other places and we were in Iran as well,' he said. 'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'"

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  1. In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whenever there was a coup attempt going on in the USSR, the first place to get invaded by supporters of the coup the was the broadcasters, and then they had to get to the newspaper before it published the next issue. If they win over the media, they were effectively in power. If the media reports there's a coup in progress, then that would scramble the defenders of the existing rulers and it would fail. If the media reports the coup was successful, then whoever was reported to be the leader effectively had power.

    This is why governments like Iran and China want to control all forms of communications. If people can organize in a way the government can't easily listen in on or censor, then the government is going to fail. As we have seen, a government doesn't need to be good at helping its people as long as its good at controlling them. Squash your opposing people, and you've got an easy time governing the rest.

    1. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hear what you are saying, and it all makes sense... ... It just feels like, as of late, people are a lot more complacent when it comes to challenging the power of their government. This isn't just a U.S.A phenomenon, it feels like it is a worldwide issue.

      Maybe, however, I'm just not tapped into this decade's "resistance for freedom" movements. But, once upon a time, it felt like real individuals could set examples of government defiance and cause the waves of change to splash. A simple refusal to stand up from a bus seat. A brave individual facing down a tank. A monk giving his life in the most painful of ways to let people know what he is fighting for. A person calling their representatives non-stop on an issue that is important to them. Thousands of people marching to let their voices be heard. There are tons of examples. It just doesn't feel like people really care anymore.

      Oh well.

    2. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      woah woah woah woah....

      This is totally blowing my mind here. I'm very impressed with your post, and with the content. You even took it so far as to mask your message. But I've totally found it!

      It's so obvious, he sets the stage, but the second word after the first comma is a dead giveaway. Follow that up with the description of how you "stop" the media, which is a clever anagram...

      You almost got me!

    3. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You could have just said "In Soviet Russia, government selects you."

    4. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Strange, I lived in USSR and I can not recall a single coup except of revolutions of 1905 and 1917. But those were in Russian Empire, not USSR. Are you inventing a history to support your point?

    5. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

      I can not recall a single coup except of revolutions of 1905 and 1917

      Shouldn't you be gumming your yogurt, grandpa?

    6. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You watched the censored media in the USSR. There were frequent reports of coup attempts in the 80s/90s in the form of attacks in attempt to take over the broadcasters reported on by the American media... you wouldn't have heard about it there, because the government controlled the media.

    7. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Apparently the coupsters did not succeed at taking the news media...

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    8. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Aren't you implicitly trusting that the news you were presented by the American media during the Cold War wasn't designed to manipulate your opinions of the Soviet government?

      Consider how today's American media presents the Chinese government. Who is it actually being mind-controlled?

    9. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      American news is the best you can get in the world. Woodward and Bernstein were able to publish news so scandalous it forced Nixon to resign. Does any other government allow that?

    10. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right before and of course after Soviet Union collapse there was no censorship. I read a lot about those times but I never came across a coup attempt in 80s. Shit hit the fan during SU collapse in 1991 and after. Then yeah we saw plenty of coups and revolutions... but SU was dead at that time. If you think I am mistaken give me an example of a coup, in 80S, not general BS - you read controlled media, SU censorship is long gone and plenty of information about those time is available.

    11. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, you're right. America is the Land of the Free(TM)! What was I thinking?

      USA! USA! USA!

    12. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All european newspapers... And if you'd ever read any of them, you'd laugh at FOX news for the rest of your life...

    13. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, senses of humor have no anonymity.

    14. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by grcumb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      American news is the best you can get in the world. Woodward and Bernstein were able to publish news so scandalous it forced Nixon to resign. Does any other government allow that?

      Uh, yeah:

      • Keith Murdoch (ironically, Rupert Murdoch's father) broke the story of the Gallipoli debacle. It was the first public sign that WWI was anything other than a noble fight without terrible consequences.
      • E. D. Morel, who broke the story of atrocities in the Belgian Congo, as well as breaking the story that Great Britain and other allied nations had signed secret treaties that led to World War One.
      • William Russell, whose descriptions of conditions during the Crimean War not only brought down a government, but led to fundamental changes in patient care in modern warfare.

      Journalism has been a dirty business from the get-go, but for as long as there have been newspapers, there have been intrepid reporters who actually care about the truth and made a difference when they told it.

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    15. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Governments like Iran and China aren't the only ones who want to control all forms of communications. The US Government squashed numerous stories relating to the War on Terror by either asking news organizations not to publish or by claiming national security and telling them not to publish. The telecom spying scandal is the first example that comes to mind.

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    16. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not fail, go out of power. If the people want to put it out of power, it's already failed.

    17. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

      I hear what you are saying, and it all makes sense... ... It just feels like, as of late, people are a lot more complacent when it comes to challenging the power of their government. This isn't just a U.S.A phenomenon, it feels like it is a worldwide issue.

      Maybe, however, I'm just not tapped into this decade's "resistance for freedom" movements. But, once upon a time, it felt like real individuals could set examples of government defiance and cause the waves of change to splash. A simple refusal to stand up from a bus seat. A brave individual facing down a tank. A monk giving his life in the most painful of ways to let people know what he is fighting for. A person calling their representatives non-stop on an issue that is important to them. Thousands of people marching to let their voices be heard. There are tons of examples. It just doesn't feel like people really care anymore.

      Oh well.

      I do care and I do love you. There is someone like me out there that cares despite all the bolllocks. S/SGT 42 commando Devon

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    18. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Funny that you mention the USSR, because Sergey Brin was born there and it was partly what motivated the recent decisions Google made over China.
      (I need to create a new Slashdot submission on this)
      And it is interesting that Twitter is following suit too.

    19. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by icebraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really? Monks under siege in monasteries as protest ends in a hail of gunfire

      Or:

      Front Line was pleased to receive confirmation today that human rights defender Aminatou Haidar has finally been allowed to return home to her family after 32 days on hunger strike. According to BBC sources Ms Haidar was able to speak to members of the media before boarding the flight. "This is a triumph for international law, for human rights, for international justice and for the cause of the Western Sahara" said Ms Haidar.

      http://www.frontlinedefenders.org/node/2300

    20. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      There is a curioius facet to freedom of the press in America, which may seem counter-intuitive.

      Basically, the US government cannot prevent a newspaper from publishing a news story, regardless of what the consequences of such a story may mean. For example, say some intrepid embedded reporter manages to get ahold of planned troop movements for an upcoming mission of extreme sensitivity, and the intrepid reporter wants to publish those troop movements before they are to happen. In that case, the military cannot raise a finger to stop the reporter from publishing the story, even if doing so will effectively kill thousands of US soldiers. All they can do is ask them not to, really. However, should the reporter actually be dumb enough to publish such a story, they will be going to jail for a long, long time for dozens of national security violations, perhaps even treason.

      So basically, since the constitutionality of the telecom spying would probably ultimately favor the newspaper and not the government, all that we really needed was a newspaper with the will to take the abuse from the government. Unfortunately, most reporters and news orgs seem rather spineless when it comes to anything meaningful, all they seem to like to do is take potshots at each other.

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    21. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by asaz989 · · Score: 1

      Citation needed (for these supposed coup attempts). Only one I recall is the '91 one, and one case (a rather uncharacteristic one, seeing as it was the death knell of the Soviet state) doesn't give someone license to go ranting about "every time a coup was attempted in the USSR..."

    22. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Well I'm not so sure. There was never any risk of any of the journalism about the Iraq war bringing down the government in the UK for example. The UK has libel laws that protect the rich and famous and most journalists stick to reporting gossip about the government rather than actually trying to prove wrongdoing like Woodward and Bernstein.

      I'm not saying that there's some sort of arrangement - most UK journalists truly hate most UK governments. Labour was popular with them in 1997 but has not been since before Iraq and that's the only case I can think of of a government that was popular with journalists. They would love to uncover evidence of Watergate style wrongdoing by them. It's just that gossip is easy, safe and sells papers. Woodward and Bernstein style investigations probably don't.

      Still the end result is that lots of people criticize the government but the government is probably not going to be toppled like Nixon no matter what they do as a result of anything in a newspaper. Of course elections are another matter. Still Blair managed to win an election after Iraq, even though the vast majority of the population and the coverage in the press was extremely hostile.

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    23. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most of the time it's not a problem of what governments allow, it's a problem of that sells papers. Gossip does, Watergate style involved reporting does not.

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    24. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm sure the Chinese would allow you to publish a story so scandalous it could force Hillary... er Obama to resign.

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    25. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by c_forq · · Score: 1

      Seriously? I mean, really? You know Rupert Murdoch owns papers and news channels in Europe too, right?

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    26. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      1991's was the Russian coup that brought down the USSR... but when the USSR was in its aquiring phase each place they took over had a similar overthrow of the sitting government.

    27. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      "War on terror" followed 9/11 in a time when everybody, media included, trusted the government much more than usual or that they should. Basically, NATO was ready to attack any nation we pointed at. However, Bush waited too long before pointing at Iraq, and the weakness and unsoundness of the reasons why destroyed that trust.

    28. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      The standard I was setting was a story that would allow the local leader to be in trouble.

    29. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by cyberjessy · · Score: 1

      I just hate this line of argument, which is unfortunately too common.

      Article on how HIV/Aids is a big problem in Africa.
      HIV is a big problem in the US too.

      1. -- Insert significantly affected country here. --
      2. Insert _relatively_ marginally affected country here.
      3. Claim the situation is very similar, and hence the article to be moot.
      4. Profit!!

      In China, every day broadcasters are summoned by a Govt. agency to tell them what can be published, or should be taken off. This includes even cultural news, entertainment and other seemingly innocuous news - because they prefer such control being absolute.

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    30. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no comparison between US censorship and Chinese or Iranian. If there was Jon Stewart would be dead.

    31. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by yuhong · · Score: 1

      (I need to create a new Slashdot submission on this)

      I just did: http://slashdot.org/submission/1160250/Behind-Googles-recent-decision-about-China

    32. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Two things:

      First, it was a joke

      Second, it doesn't matter where you are. The ruling party is more than happy to throw a member(Nixon) or two under the bus as an exercise in theatrics to maintain its power. The Chinese put to death officials who get caught. And will be on the first page. Nixon drew a nice retirement package. The power structure remains intact. A triumph indeed.

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    33. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget responding to his point?

    34. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3. Claim the situation is very similar, and hence the article to be moot.

      I just hate THAT line of argument, which is unfortunately EVEN MORE COMMON.

      If ya hates it so much as all that, ya thinks ya could recognize it, eh?
      Where the FUCK did the pp even intimate that "the article is moot?"

    35. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      Consider how today's American media presents the Chinese government. Who is it actually being mind-controlled?

      Are you fucking serious? Are you really descending to the moral relativism of comparing the media outlets of a country with a state-run press to one where the media has a long history of exposing scandals and bucking the system. American media has its problems, but it certainly is better than any demonstrated alternative.

    36. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by asaz989 · · Score: 1

      I believe those are called "invasions", not "coups". (yes, for places like Ukraine and the South Caucasus too. The Soviet expansion into those areas generally involved the Red Army going in and overthrowing whatever short-lived government and army had been established in those areas in the meantime). In those invasions there were some other actions taken that just may have been a bit more important than taking over the media: killing off the existing governments, martial law, etc. Yes, they took over the media, but first they took the government and armed control of the territory.

    37. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Monsuco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nixon drew a nice retirement package. The power structure remains intact. A triumph indeed.

      Yes, a triamph indeed. Nixon abused his powers and a free press caught him. He was forced to resign and there was a peaceful transfer of power. As an ex-President he did more than just "draw a nice retirement package", he would go on to do a great deal to ease US relations with the USSR and China serving as something of a negotiator. In fact he was considered one of the most respected foreign policy experts in the world. He also was a prominent speaker at universities, but ironically unlike most ex-Presidents, he generally didn't charge for speaking since he felt it was a corrupt abuse of the title of President.

    38. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by gilgongo · · Score: 1

      American news is the best you can get in the world. Woodward and Bernstein were able to publish news so scandalous it forced Nixon to resign. Does any other government allow that?

      It was a mistake. Governments learned their lesson so Watergate won't happen again. Just ask the boys and girls down in Mexico talking (in secret) about ACTA.

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    39. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by hellop2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Witnesses described violent clashes between monks and police on the outskirts of Lhasa on Monday afternoon and reported hearing as many as 60 gunshots as troops forced the monks to return to their quarters early yesterday."

      "They said that about 60 monks from Drepung monastery were detained".

      I wonder if "detained" means, "never heard from again."

      “It’s really nothing. Everything is great,” said the Tibetan Governor.


      Sometimes, you're glad you live in America. Since we're talking about censorship, I think this is on-topic. Quoted from your first link.

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    40. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it's not as if 'everybody' stood up against the government back then. As you said, few individuals actually did and got a movement going. Yet, you can hardly say that the entire population were rebellious. On the contrary, I'd say.

      Nowadays, there are a lot of people trying to get things right: bloggers, youtubers, photographers, artists or wikileaks...

      I would say there are even more than there used to be. Maybe not in the 'milk and honey' continents: distance does create indifference.

    41. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      We attacked Afghanistan after 9/11, remember?

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    42. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Unlike in the West, where the media controls the government. (Just think how many laws have been passed or other political decisions made because of media pressure, or how it would have been portrayed in the media...)

    43. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by nick.cash · · Score: 1

      That's just one example, though. (Albeit, one excellent example). But as is popular to say on slashdot these days, "the plural of anecdote is not data".

      It does indeed provide evidence that American news is "good" in the sense that it can criticize it's own government (even in extreme ways), but it doesn't prove that American news is "the best" in any way. Many, many other governments allow the same thing (most modern nations, in fact).

      I personally believe our news is generally pretty good compared to 3rd world and totalitarian countries, but otherwise unexceptional. I regularly read news from abroad that seems to be either skipped altogether or totally under-reported here. My (perhaps somewhat controversial amongst the libertarian crowd here) view is that having our news run almost entirely by private enterprise means it tends to pander to the lowest common denominator--what gets reported is simply what sells, not necessarily what is most interesting or relevant in the world.

      To argue with myself here, though: On one hand, totally non-capitalist state-run news organizations tend to be little more than state-run propaganda mills (see the the Soviet Union's Pravda, present-day China, etc), but completely freely run private news organizations tends towards fox news style "lots of dogs!" reporting that is utterly meaningless but sells well.
      But to compromise: middle-ground style agencies, such as the BBC, seem to put out excellent reporting without being beholden to the state or their advertisers. I think they must occupy the "sweet spot", so to speak, of journalism.


      (alright, I admit the "lots of dogs" blow was a little low... it wasn't even on fox news after all, but it's representative of the utter crap that dominates news programs here in the US)

    44. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by ydrol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just about most countries in the Free world. But you wouldn't know about that would you? Sigh.

    45. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by rvw · · Score: 1

      All european newspapers... And if you'd ever read any of them, you'd laugh at FOX news for the rest of your life...

      Except for Italy, which has state-owned media, or is it the other way around?

    46. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by krou · · Score: 1

      Well, you're kind of right, but it's not really about selling newspapers. The newspaper business has never really been about just selling newspapers. They're in the business of selling readers to advertisers. So the real problem is that newspapers don't want to publish things that risks them losing an advertiser, be that because they're losing readership (and therefore they have less product to sell to advertisers), or because the advertiser really didn't like the story and will threaten to pull out.

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    47. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because you don't censor Iraq news or anything like that.

      No.

      PS: Every really free country had it's fair share of governments falling due to a (really) free media. The big difference is, in most European countries, due to a (really) free media those stories get out way more often and end up carrying less weight because of that.

    48. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by dataxtream · · Score: 1

      A poll of Americans think that Fox News is reliable. It would be hilarious if not so tragic.

    49. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by maxume · · Score: 1

      I agree 100% with your sentiment, but the joke answer is that there is no comparison between US censorship and Chinese or Iranian censorship, in the US, they are good at it.

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    50. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by oreaq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The existence of Jon Stewart only show that the methods of controlling the unwashed masses are far more sophisticated in the free world than they are in these backwards communist countries. Political satire is just a valve for all the frustration and anger that oppressive and lying governments cause thus keeping the system stable. Why do you think the king's jester was aloud to make jokes about the king?

    51. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      ...he generally didn't charge for speaking since he felt it was a corrupt abuse of the title of President.

      Yeah, kinda funny how they all get religion when it's convenient. But he stepped on some big toes too. He also set the tone for the present day imperial presidency that Bush enjoyed so successfully. Ultimately the system prevailed. That's all that matters.

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    52. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Outside of the UK? I couldn't find much.

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    53. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of a revolution that one of my exgirlfriend's used to always reference to make a point. She always used to tell me about a government in South America (I don't recall what country or the details or anything really) that was effectively toppled by nothing more than a misinformation campaign. Apparently, some sort of freedom fighter movement was convinced not to fight at all by mass published media that spread the information that the opposing forces were glorious and had massive amounts of arms and planes and what not. The sad truth was that the powers that existed actually had a very small defense force that could have easily been toppled by the freedom fighters. However, the misinformation campaign was so successful that it discouraged any type of revolutionary action and, thus, helped create and maintain a regime that really couldn't have existed otherwise. Let's see, some quick googling turns up...

      This.

      It appears I had it completely ass backwards. The CIA and USIA used a confusion and misinformation campaign to make it seem as if multiple groups of Guatemalan freedom fighters were making successful assaults on various cities and military resources, when, in fact, no such military blitz was occurring. The misinformation broadcast on the radio was enough to confuse the populace and overthrow the Arbenz regime.

      So, there you go. I don't know how credible the source is or how biased it is or anything, but it serves, at least, as an interesting parable relating to the power of information. Information brokers really are worth quite a pretty penny. =)

    54. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by chaos579 · · Score: 1

      and people wonder why there is an abundent LACK of monks in the U.S.

    55. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by chaos579 · · Score: 1

      anybody else remembering the famous "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast? never underestimate the power that the media holds over the world

    56. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      You must have missed last night's episode of Countdown with Kieth Olbermann... there's been reports of active Republican campaigners requesting and getting the assignment to fix a phone line inside a Democratic Party office. Here we go again....

    57. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 1
      I can recall one apart from 1905 & 1917 - the attempted coup in 1991 (the August Coup). It was extensively reported in Australia.

      How many others there were I don't know.

    58. Re:In SOVIET RUSSIA... by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 1

      In Queensland, Australia, a journalist (Phil Dickie) sparked a 2-year inquiry (the Fitzgerald Inquiry) into Queensland Police corruption. The Premier resigned and the Police Commissioner was jailed and stripped of his knighthood.

  2. ...What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can one censor censorship? Prevent something from happening before you know what said 'something' will be? This will not work.

  3. Other companies should follow suit. by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 5, Insightful
    'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'"

    That Google / Apple / Microsoft / etc. would ever make such a statement...

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    1. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google's current public stance on China is that they're thinking of closing their Chinese offices telling Chinese users to use google.com with the "in your language" features for translation rather than the censored google.cn.

      What would be much better would be to tell China to use https://google.com..../

    2. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      Twitter has no real incentive to make a profit, as contrasted to the others. Keep in mind they have some weird setup with long term VC funding or something and a "worry about it later" attitude to profits.

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    3. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      You must have missed the story about Twitter actually turning a profit last quarter.

      Everybody thought Google and Amazon didn't care about profits at first... now they're world leaders in what they do, and have many offshoots.

    4. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Yea, I think Twitter actually is the one following suit with Google leaving China after it's computers were hacked by the Chinese.

    5. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to translate? I'm having a terrible time understanding that sentence. Is it missing some commas or a "but" or something?

    6. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They only lost millions of dollars last quarter, rather than tens of millions? That's a strange way to turn a "profit".

    7. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Wired claims they actually turned a profit, in the real sense of dollars coming in being greater than expenses. Apparently the Google deal plus a similar one with Microsoft brought it $25 million in return for a data feed, which is more than running the site costs.

    8. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by rvw · · Score: 1

      What would be much better would be to tell China to use https://google.com..../

      That works for gmail, but not for searching, because for searching a get-request is used. That means that the search string is used in the URI. Although you cannot see what the content is of the page that google sends back, the search results, the search string reveals that it is about Tibet or some other sensitive topic, because that is not encrypted.

    9. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by lukas84 · · Score: 1

      No. HTTPS has the entire HTTP conversation in SSL/TLS. Everything is encrypted, even the query string.

    10. Re:Other companies should follow suit. by assertation · · Score: 1

      That is because Twitter is still new. When they get more established, have more money on the line and employ the types of people/professionals a company gets when it is established they will act the same.

      Those other 3 companies were cool when they were new and small.

  4. Central Choke Points by chill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Iran, moreso than China from what I understand, the Internet and telephones go thru central choke points that are controlled by the gov't. They can effectively just turn the whole damn Internet off in their country, if they like. Ditto for cell phones and text messaging.

    My first question would be is peer-to-peer traffic regulated, and if so, how? While the gov't might be able to cut off the main Internet egress points, all it would take is one person with a covert satellite link and a good p2p network. Or, maybe, a covert side channel on a bank leased line that runs to Switzerland, for example? How about packet radio? Twitter isn't exactly super bandwidth intensive.

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    Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
    1. Re:Central Choke Points by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My first question would be is peer-to-peer traffic regulated, and if so, how?

      Simple... controlling governments route all routes through the choke points. All traffic, even to the house next door, would have to go through the censorship point and then back to the destination.

      While the gov't might be able to cut off the main Internet egress points, all it would take is one person with a covert satellite link and a good p2p network.

      Simple... controlling governments ban satellite dishes.

      Or, maybe, a covert side channel on a bank leased line that runs to Switzerland, for example?

      Simple... controlling governments run the banks.

      How about packet radio?

      Simple... controlling governments don't allow consumer bandwidth. Try transmitting on an unlicensed spectrum here...

      Twitter isn't exactly super bandwidth intensive.

      Simple... controlling goverment loves things that are low-bandwidth and cleartext because that doesn't take much effort to scan what they've collected.

    2. Re:Central Choke Points by rvw · · Score: 2

      Simple... controlling governments ban satellite dishes.

      Except that China and Iran have to allow their people some liberty, because they are already too free and used to all things free. It's a matter of controlling, in the sense of keeping a balance, not shutting everything down. Your "simple" is too simple.

  5. How far should social responsibility reach? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think we can all agree that censorship is a bad thing, but how far should such social responsibility reach? Should companies be concerned about social responsibility in countries which are not their own? Should they help criminals violate the laws of their own countries? Is aiding and abetting in the name of freedom something that companies should really be doing?

    Take for example Bob Barker, a major donor to the Sea Shepherds. The Sea Shepherds practice terrorism on the high seas in an effort to eliminate practices which they see as abhorrent, namely whaling and drag net trawling. Barker, with his name and money, support these actions which are in violation of international law. Likewise, New Zealand and Australia also provide shelter for the group by refusing to prosecute them for illegal actions taken in their waters. These supporters and harborers of the terrorist organization are just as responsible as the terrorist organization itself.

    However, it would be somewhat odd if a completely unrelated country like, say, Armenia got involved and tried to sink the Sea Shepherd's ships or arrested Bob Barker for international terrorism. It's just not their problem.

    1. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Defending the whales is "activism" not terrorism lol

    2. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by biryokumaru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's what I keep saying about defending Allah, but they still won't let me fly the airplane!

      --
      When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
    3. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's what I keep saying about defending Allah, but they still won't let me fly the airplane!

      You should have posted as an AC... now they won't let you on the airplane anymore, either.

    4. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Falconhell · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Sea shepeard do great work, your terrorism spin is plain ludicrous.

      In fact the Japanese whalers are the people breaking the law, as their blatant deliberate ramming and sinking of a sea shepard boat recently attests.

      The rape of the seas thru bottom scraping overfishing is an upcoming disaster of epic proportions, and personally, I support Sea shepard 100%.

      What drives your irrational dislike of them I wonder? I smell a financial incentive.

    5. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by wjc_25 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The entire point of having more than one government, of having national rather than global governments, is so that governments and citizens of other nations can step in when a national government has oppressed its bounds. We can argue about where the appropriate boundary is (for example, if it came to violence, I certainly wouldn't approve of a corporation like Twitter arming revolutionaries or lending its support to dissident groups), but I would argue that a group of people working to make means of communication available among repressed people is clearly within its bounds, regardless of whether the repressive government in question approves of this communication.

      This is, of course, leaving aside the possibility (if not likelihood) that for Twitter this is as much about image and self-promotion as activism. But if it is, so what? No one does anything for just one reason, and I approve of their action whatever the reasoning behind it may be.

    6. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Loosen your tinfoil hat. Try some different drink choices, too.

      --
      Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
    7. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, I had to stop reading your post when you wrote that 'the entire point of having more than one government' - as if this were a design decision.

      "Yes, we considered a global government but decided against such because of a...b.. and c..." and this is how we have the system we have today.

    8. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a "BadAnalogy". (The rest of us are used to him. Please try to keep up.)

    9. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by zondag · · Score: 1

      Sea shepeard do great work, your terrorism spin is plain ludicrous.

      In fact the Japanese whalers are the people breaking the law, as their blatant deliberate ramming and sinking of a sea shepard boat recently attests.

      The rape of the seas thru bottom scraping overfishing is an upcoming disaster of epic proportions, and personally, I support Sea shepard 100%.

      What drives your irrational dislike of them I wonder? I smell a financial incentive.

      Even Greenpeace refers to Watson as "a violent extremist and an eco-terrorist". ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/5166346/Paul-Watson-Sea-Shepherd-eco-warrior-fighting-to-stop-whaling-and-seal-hunts.html )

      I don't support whaling but I would also like to see Sea Shepherd blown out of the water (non-violently...)

      I'll have my financial incentive now please.

    10. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Aliotroph · · Score: 1

      I don't know about him, but I was sitting around a campfire with a Sea Shepherd guy and he told me they sink ships. Sure, the commercial guys are doing things that are obviously wrong, but sinking ships sounds like terrorism to me. They're not considering the motivations and knowledge of everyone involved; they're just attacking the ships involved, effectively using intimidation to get what they want.

    11. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't believe everything you read in the telegraph.

    12. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by kinko · · Score: 1

      just to pick nits, I think the Sea Shepard vessels are careful not to break any Australian or New Zealand laws when they are in Australian or New Zealand waters. All the "action" happens in the Southern Ocean near Antarctica.

      They're definitely not following the established "rules" of the sea though, in terms of who has right-of-way...

    13. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Sea Shepherds practice terrorism

      If the Sea Shepherds used terrorism they would be a lot more effective. One RPG would put an end to the whaling for at least a season. In words of South Park, they are a bunch of vegan pussies.

    14. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a good thing he didn't post as AC. Else, the thousands of us who post as AC wouldn't be able to get on a plane!

    15. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by data2 · · Score: 0

      Well, officially, they want to use economic reasons to stop the whaling. Make it more expensive.

      On the other hand, they often seem a _bit_ focused on paranoia. Everyone criticizing their actions has to be motivated by money, as seen above :)

    16. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Daimanta · · Score: 1

      One RPG would get Sea Sheperd a quick mark as a terrorist organisation and would totally destroy the organisation and the legitimacy of the organisation and by extension anti-whaling operations.

      It would also give whalers the argument that anti-whalers are terrorists and would only help them.

      --
      Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
    17. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you understand? One man's terrorist is another man's hero. All these grand distinctions of right and wrong are entirely based off perspective.

    18. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by jayme0227 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Terrorism isn't just using bombs on a religious crusade. Terrorism is causing the threat of harm in order to get what you want. Sea Shepherds is a group of terrorists. I watched 3 episodes of their show and and was completely disgusted by the way that they operate. By engaging in the type of aggressive (and in several cases, stupid and dangerous) tactics that they have shown on TV, they give all legitimate activists a bad name.

      --
      But then I realized the cable was blue, so I only gave it one star. I hate blue.
    19. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by jayme0227 · · Score: 1

      From the Princeton Wordnet, Terrorism is:

      The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature.

      I believe that Sea Shepherd meets all of these criteria.

      The only part that may be questionable is the "violence" aspect, but in the TV show they've used several tactics that should constitute violence. Just off the top of my head, they've used chemical weapons that caused vomiting. They've boarded an "enemy" ship. They've intentionally destroyed property. I think at least one of these has to constitute violence, even if they are attempting to stay within the technical limits of the law.

      --
      But then I realized the cable was blue, so I only gave it one star. I hate blue.
    20. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Man, have you watched Whale Wars at all? All they do is throw stink bombs, and occasionally throw a rope into the water to foul up a propeller.

      If they were real bombs, maybe, you could call them terrorists. But IMHO, vigilantism is different from terrorism.

    21. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      and would totally destroy the organisation and the legitimacy of the organisation

      I wasn't aware that any legitimacy was being assigned to organizations of inactive whiners. Wake me when they grow a back bone and a brain.

    22. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by wjc_25 · · Score: 1

      You stopped reading my comment...halfway through the first sentence, after reading a bizarre meaning into it that obviously wasn't intended?

      Your choice, I suppose.

    23. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 1

      Terrorism is causing the threat of harm in order to get what you want.

      Your definition of terrorism is too broad. A bank robber who wields a gun is a terrorist by that definition.

    24. Re:How far should social responsibility reach? by jayme0227 · · Score: 1

      You're right, I forgot to add that it is for ideological reasons, whether that be religious, political, or other.

      --
      But then I realized the cable was blue, so I only gave it one star. I hate blue.
  6. Keep Reinventing the Wheel by PurpleCarrot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are many users of Twitter, Facebook, and LiveJournal that use Tor and other anonymizing proxies to get around constricting and censoring firewalls. If Twitter thinks they can do it better, by all means, but have they even reached out to some of the existing communities working on this problem before diving headlong into it themselves?

    I know for a fact that LiveJournal has a cordial relationship with the Tor project, and, when abuse from Tor spikes, has always worked with the project to ensure access from Tor users is quickly restored. I would be surprised if Twitter didn't have similar issues and that they wouldn't know about Tor, what with the Iran dissidents and Chinese users.

  7. Twitter technology to fight censorship... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's called "Not having anything to say worth censoring". It's foolproof!

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    The enemies of Democracy are
    1. Re:Twitter technology to fight censorship... by selven · · Score: 1

      That's not fighting censorship, that's quite literally surrendering to it.

    2. Re:Twitter technology to fight censorship... by maxume · · Score: 1

      You guys never would have been able to say that on Twitter, due to the character limit.

      --
      Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
    3. Re:Twitter technology to fight censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      73 and 74. Yes they would!

    4. Re:Twitter technology to fight censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah awesome we'll drown out all the cries of millions dying and being oppressed by flooding the world with information about what i'm eating for breakfast and when took my last bow movement.

      It's the peoples form of a Numbers station

      Fight the powers that B.

    5. Re:Twitter technology to fight censorship... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Wow, I never knew about Numbers Stations. That article was fascinating. It's amazing that people are still using such a low tech encryption method.

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    6. Re:Twitter technology to fight censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, so this technology is called "Facebook"

    7. Re:Twitter technology to fight censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The use of one time pads shouldn't amaze you, it's low tech but considered unbreakable without the pad.

  8. Green-backs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'"

    Making money?

    1. Re:Green-backs. by broken_chaos · · Score: 1

      The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.

      Does their CEO speak in only 140 character phrases now?

  9. No such thing as censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no such thing as censorship. After all, everybody who was able to say he/she got censored, didn't get censored saying that; how else would such person say such thing? ;) Srsly; brave effort from Twitter.

  10. Well okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone standing up against censorship? I just might sign up.

  11. problem is twitter users have comfortable life by jkajala · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seriously doubt it's the Twitter users who will start revolution, at least in China. The revolution is still alive in the masses of countryside, like before. Just look at the incidents which have sparked there recently. For example, in one province a slight rise of bus ticket prices resulted in violent demonstrations. I'm 100% sure none of them had ever heard about Twitter. Twitter has maybe ~0.3% reach in China compared to population, that's about less people than Beijing pisses off routinely at once by moving a whole city because of one more dam or railroad every few months. Still, I have to give credit to Beijing as well. China's growth and drive has been nothing but unbelievable. It would not have been possible without making strong and fast decisions without asking much from the people. It's very easy to build a railroad if you just relocate the people by sending them a letter with two weeks notice time. China is run more like a company than western countries, and western companies generally love it. At least as long as it doesn't cross their interests.

    1. Re:problem is twitter users have comfortable life by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 1

      I have to give credit to Beijing as well

      Bullshit. India is growing as fast as China with a Democratic system. Please don't defend those genocidal thugs.

    2. Re:problem is twitter users have comfortable life by jkajala · · Score: 1

      Well, you can define growth in many ways, but if you compare foreign direct investment, China leads India by a large margin (FDI in China is at least double or more compared to India). And that FDI money comes from western companies. So even if western people value democracy "in general" when you ask them, the same people running western companies surely not weight it much at all when making investment decisions. Hypocrites. One other thing which you should consider is that democracy does not have long tradition in Asia. The culture has been different for a long time, so there are a lot of people who don't really care that much about democracy/politics or even know what it means. Look at for example Singapore: Average GDP per capita is higher than in US, but still the country is not democracy by any definition. And not too many people cry about it, even if everyone there using Twitter, mobile, Facebook, whatever. Some people even think corruption is "ok", because everyone should take care of themselves, including the government! What I'm trying to say is that what is "normal" depends a lot on your point of view and what is prevailing culture on that particular place.

    3. Re:problem is twitter users have comfortable life by raju1kabir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look at for example Singapore: Average GDP per capita is higher than in US, but still the country is not democracy by any definition.

      On paper, Singapore is a fine democracy.

      The two things that get in the way are (A) the willingness of the courts to indulge politically-motivated libel suits, and (B) the lack of an effective press. Between these two, the ruling PAP has been able to sidestep a lot of what would be healthy competition, with the result that most serious politicians and aspiring technocrats just take the path of least resistance and work within the party rather than running against it.

      Over the years, it has been getting more democratic, though, and the trend seems to be continuing.

      Many people seem to overlook the degree to which Singapore is a model for the slow but steady emergence of democracy in east Asia.

      --
      "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
    4. Re:problem is twitter users have comfortable life by vacarul · · Score: 1

      ...if you just relocate the people by sending them a letter with two weeks notice time.

      a letter?! really? I would laugh if it would not be a very serious problem. Dictatorial regimes don't send letters because they don't care about you!

      I agree with the rest of your post but stop being naive.

    5. Re:problem is twitter users have comfortable life by jkajala · · Score: 1

      Well they need to put people somewhere, even under totalitarian rule. :P So they just send you a new address, basically, and you have some time to move your stuff there before they bulldoze your building. This is very hard especially for old people who have maybe lived in their childhood houses all their lives, and suddenly someone forces you to move to some suburban apartment building with 1000 other people... They actually put even an address where to complain about the decision, but of course that's just for the show, in practice you cannot complain about things there.

  12. Applicability of technology to other sites? by vampire_baozi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While noone in China uses twitter enough to care even if Twitter found a way to "uncensor itself", if they could succesfully find a technical workaround that required no effort from end-users, it might be worth talking about (if my reading of TFA is right, any site could use such hacks to unblock itself, even google or dissident websites). However, if it forces end-users to install software to route around firewalls (a la Freedomgate and other already available software), the sites will remain unaccessible to the majority of users, who just don't care enough to bother.
    I'm honestly very curious as to what technical methods are out there for opening access through government firewalls that would not involve illegal and nearly impossible invasions into foreign computer networks. The Chinese and Iranian governments control the "pipes"; what software solutions could twitter possible be thinking of? Nice goal, but technically possible, beyond current "hacks/proxies"?

    1. Re:Applicability of technology to other sites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Satellite transmissions to everyone's new satellite phone

    2. Re:Applicability of technology to other sites? by vampire_baozi · · Score: 1

      While I presume you are being facetious, I'll bite anyway. This is a hardware solution, and circumventable by simply controlling functionalities of satellite phones. China already bans wifi capability on most phones sold there, why not demand restrictions on functionality or remote software on all satellite-enabled phones sold in China? It wouldn't be airtight, but it would be enough to stop most users. Also, for the majority of Chinese people, a good satellite phone and the wish to look for satellites operated by non-Chinese companies is not on the horizon (for at least ~10-20 years, maybe). The desire is the thing that's missing; the options to get around the firewall are out there, but noone cares enough to go through the trouble to do it.

  13. I Like Iran by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

    Oh yes, I do and If the USA and other countries started to be more compassionate. We can quit this nonsense regarding Iran being part of an axis of Evil. That fucking money Oil grabber Bourne again Christian "George W Bush". Moron monkey.

    --
    All cows eat grass!
    1. Re:I Like Iran by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      I was indifferent to Iran until the government encouraged and enabled a radical sect to destroy my nations embassy and hold its diplomats hostage. I was annoyed by Iran while Ahmadinejad denied the Holocaust and called for Israel to wiped of the face of the earth. I was agitated towards Iran when calls of problems with the elections were met with brutal suppression that continues now, six months later. And I have to say I'm getting pretty hostile towards Iran when it look like they're going to use captured hikers as a bargaining chips to justify their expanding weapons program at the same time they blame the U.S. for all their air disasters because it's so hard to get parts for Soviet jets.

      The Axis of Evil is a farce, that doesn't mean the government of Iran (as it's people have see emphatic support during the election and censorship issues) hasn't absolutely destroyed any hopes of compassion.

    2. Re:I Like Iran by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

      I was indifferent to Iran until the government encouraged and enabled a radical sect to destroy my nations embassy and hold its diplomats hostage. I was annoyed by Iran while Ahmadinejad denied the Holocaust and called for Israel to wiped of the face of the earth. I was agitated towards Iran when calls of problems with the elections were met with brutal suppression that continues now, six months later. And I have to say I'm getting pretty hostile towards Iran when it look like they're going to use captured hikers as a bargaining chips to justify their expanding weapons program at the same time they blame the U.S. for all their air disasters because it's so hard to get parts for Soviet jets. The Axis of Evil is a farce, that doesn't mean the government of Iran (as it's people have see emphatic support during the election and censorship issues) hasn't absolutely destroyed any hopes of compassion.

      I have to agree the Axis of Evil is a farce indeed. It is just the odd few people who are very radical, but that it is exists in all countries and society in small numbers. I find it disgraceful that elderly people still get targetted by thugs. I suppose message of the day is we are all a little bit dismayed/upset by the small pocket of people who ruin life for the rest of us when all we want to do is get along. The best strategy in any war is just to always try and walk away first. Love NSN

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      All cows eat grass!
  14. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hypothetically speaking, if there is a way to freely share copyrighted content on twitter, will the US government tries to censor this information? Or more likely, will the US government pressure Twitter CEO and co-founder Evan Williams to censor these postings and would Evan give in? Just to point out that hypocrisy works both ways.

    1. Re:Anonymous Coward by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Hypothetically speaking, if there is a way to freely share copyrighted content on twitter, will the US government tries to censor this information?

      Simply put, no, the US government cannot legally censor that information even if it violates the law. It can go after you AFTER you make your post, and they can certainly tell you that they will do just that if you release the information, but they can do nothing before hand.

      This was tested in WW2 when the New York Times came across sensitive US troop movements and wanted to publish them in the newspaper. The US government tried to get a court to block the story from running, but the judge simply said "no can do". However, in the process it was made clear to the NYT that releasing this information before the mission would put American soldier's lives at risk, and in doing so would violate a number of laws that the NYT absolutely would be held accountable for. In the end the NYT decided the minor media gain of publishing the information was not worth potentially losing the entire organization due to the legal action that would follow, and chose not to publish.

      The key here is that the government could tell the news org what they would do if they ran the story, but they could not actually make the decision to not run the story. That was up to the news organization to determine if they felt strongly enough about it to break the law. This is in stark contrast to China, who require all stories to be cleared through a government representative and regularly prohibits the press from publishing stories they do not approve of. Attempting to publish anyway would probably not work (no doubt they have people checking the actual paper to be published) and is almost certainly a fast track to an execution.

      Also note that the US government cannot put pressure on a news org without a law with which to give a consequence for publishing a story. Also remember that ALL laws in the US have the potential for being overturned by the Supreme Court if they violate the basic freedoms laid down in the Constitution. Neither of these facts are true for China.

      So no, it is very much not the same. Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are held sacrosanct in the US. They were the first of ten basic inviolable rights laid down at the founding of the country, and it is very difficult for the government to get around them for very long.

      China and in fact most countries in the world have nowhere near the level of freedom of speech/press that we enjoy in the US. The clearest example of this is the opposing news organizations here, and the fact that regardless of who is in power, the orgs don't change one bit. One simply becomes nice and fluffy toward the government when their guy is in power, and nasty when the other guy is in power.

      --
      Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
  15. Australia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about Australian censorship? Will it work around that too?

  16. trenderiffic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #iTampon

    Oh, sorry, wrong story.

  17. Finally by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'"

    Finally someone calls this what it is.

  18. Don't be evil by legio_noctis · · Score: 1

    At least somebody's picking up Google's old motto. There's only one teeensy problem: they have no income.

  19. Thank God for China... by dragisha · · Score: 1

    Because US (and of course many other) developers can work on anti-censor tools in stealth mode!

    If for not such a noble reason, such technologies would never be allowed to be even talked about.... But I doubt if noble reason is protection enough - secret orders for implementing backdoors are normal thing to expect.

    Probably some people in Iran and China are making tools to counter censorship in US as we speak. :)

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    http://opencm3.net, http://www.nongnu.org/gm2/
  20. Twitter is developing technology? by melted · · Score: 1

    That's something new for them. Up to now they've only been developing new ways to milk the gullible VCs.

  21. The stereotypes sometims hold true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really. People like you are why there are so negative stereotypes about americans. You are so nationalistic. "We have [insert a thing everyone else takes for granted]. I have no knowledge of the subject but I assume no other countries have that. Wohoo!" As I am from northern Europe, it took me a moment to process your statement. The whole idea that goverment would not allow such media freedom sounded so unnatural.

    Sure, you can find anecdotes about european media. It is not perfect. In italy a lot of the media is owned by a big politician (kinda as if Murdoch would run for president). In North Europe there are pretty strong law concerning slander and they have been abused occasionally. After news being served to hundreds of millions of people, over many decades... Of course you can find occasional imperfection. But the press is extremely free. I really can't imagine our government "disallowing" reporting about some subject. They simply have no power to do such, at least in my country. With the media just looking for scandals, several major newspapers owned and read by supporters of many different political parties, no politcian or party has a method of control over a significant amount of the press.

    Then, let's look at USA, shall we? Your example isn't exactly fresh. Things have changed since Nixon. Haven't you heard about ISPs banning newsgroups because "If we won't do it first, the government will draft a law forcing us to"? Haven't you heard of DMCA takedown notices abused to silence bloggers?

  22. That quote comes to mind by halcyon1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

    'The most productive way to fight that is not by trying to engage China and other governments whose very being is against what we are about.'

    So... don't find a LAN war in Asia?

  23. Easy by fulldecent · · Score: 1

    Decentralizing Twitter is very viable.

    Third party sites that you can use to indirectly access Twitter content should easily thwart censorship.

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    -- I was raised on the command line, bitch

  24. Don't forget: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    William Randolph Hearst - "You furnish the pictures, I'll furnish the war." ("Remember the Maine" and the beginning of the Spanish American war)

    http://www.smplanet.com/imperialism/remember.html - bottom of page

  25. char count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    139, just under the limit, oh he is GOOOOD!

  26. Good at geting info out. by pavon · · Score: 1

    While most of the communication between protesters after the Iran Election was done other ways - word of mouth, cell phones etc - the biggest impact of twittering was getting unfiltered reports out of the country to the rest of the world. The reaction of other governments to this news was relatively muted. But at least in the US I think that younger people are much more aware and concerned about what is going on in Iran than they would have been otherwise. A country with citizens that are more informed about what is going on in the world, will eventually effect the foreign affairs of the government.

    So even if the only people that install the software in country are the ones spreading info, not the ones receiving it, it can still be useful.

  27. So, if Twitter does well with this... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

    Can we change the outdated cliche of, "The pen is mightier than the sword," to a more modern version along the lines of, "The twits are mightier than the twats."

    The 'twits,' of course, being the tweeters, whilst the 'twats' refers to the governments. =)

  28. hurrah by cornflakes4brains · · Score: 1

    Much as I have no use for twitter, I applaud any entity willing to stand up for the freedoms we claimed to have defended...until it came down to appeasing a police state. Since the only use the Chinese gov seems to have for the internet is attacking everybody else's networks and spreading their propaganda, why not just cut them off entirely from the rest of the internet until they agree to change...and since it's cyberwar they're waging, make it verifiable, like any other arms treaty. Let Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and all the rest who sold out pay the cost of the effort.