Gee, did ya ever strain your head long enough to think there may be a problem with that particular computer? Bad cable, dying drive- whatever. Thanks for not boring us with your laundry list. I am sure it is quite as enlightening.
(Typing on a meagre 867mhz G4 PB which does all those tasks with ease.)
Ah- thanks for that, I stand corrected. I topped out at Finder 6.0.8 (which was a remarkable OS for my needs at the time) and thought that was the end of the OS line for it.
My first computer purchase was a Mac back in 89 (though I used TRS-80 and Apple ][ in school and at home/family computer before that).
I used Mac exclusively up until around System 7 days, by which time my Mac Plus was over the hill and moved to cheaper x86 computers for Windows and Linux. I used Macs at work exclusively for a couple of years around 96-98 and at that time, this "savvy" user loved the applications, but hated the random freezes. For me, it was never a 'one button issue', I always figured out the keyboard combinations to work as swiftly with one, two or three buttons depending on the platform I was using. These days I have found a lot of *NIX guys of all denominations have "switched" because they get a damn nice interface with the UNIX features they love. And looking at Apple's website, it's my opinion that they market to both laypeople and power users, as any computer maker should.
Some of the old 'Mac is for newbies' sentiment is a lot of repeated anecdotes. There is some basis for truth, but I don't think that Apple has done anything to exclude the more technical audience. (Like, plug a multiple button mouse to OS/X and the extra buttons work fine.)
The fly in the ointment to linking to google cache is that it still calls images from the original source. The images are really the punchline to the joke. I might as well just wait until this story drops off page one.. which I will have forgotten it by then.:-)
Actually he is not the 'anti-business guy' either.
He is an investigative journalist- he covers government mismanagement as well.
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Yeah, like Congress should be wasting its time investigating the mismanagement of a game by a monopolistic system they rubber-stamped in the first place.
Exactly my sentiment. I wince every time I hear about Congress taking up an issue related to MLB. Remember that tired old phrase? "For the good of baseball." Whatever- maybe that was something to be concerned about 80 years ago when it was one of a handful of entertainment outlets, but not any more.
No, not really.:-) I'd see them nearly every day when I worked there and the couple times I'd see them in town in PA, they came from the EPRI campus, that's all.
40 miles round trip on 101 between SF and Palo Alto
Was that to EPRI? There were a few EV1s in the parking lot at EPRI at the time GM was working on them with EPRI, and I remember the big roll out in 1996 and about a dozen of them in the parking lot.
Well, yes, now what does that have to do with things like Orkut or Friendster?
Again, from your original comment: network of people whose only interest is that they're members of the same network
This statement is fallacious- few people develop sub-communities within these social network sites just because "they're members of the same network" unless they are discussing how to improve/share ideas/bug reports about the network generally. They create discussion groups every bit as valid as that cherished mailing list you've been on for 10 years.
Sites like Orkut and Friendster didn't create this phenomenon.
So what's your point? It's just another outlet for it. There have been many in the past, and there will be many more in the future.
they seem clumsy, forced
It's not any more or less forced than USENET, MUDs, BBS', web boards, mailing lists, etc. You either choose to play, or you don't.
For others, for people who are already part of online communities... *snip*
Here is an important point: You are speaking only for yourself. You can find plenty of contributors actively participating in social networks who have been around the block and back in Internet time, yours truly included. I'm in the upper levels of the age demographic in SN sites, and I get a kick out of it.
My friends? On slashdot? Check my friend list then get back to me. Obviously you wrote without thinking much.
The point was, it's only A/Cs that are bashing pine or it's users in this thread, and when A/Cs use bad argument tactics to do a hit-n-run, then I assume they are afraid to use UIDs so as they don't take a karma hit when they get knocked as flamebait, etc. for the same content. Nowhere are they using cogent arguments to back up the assertions, it's just the tired old 'pine blows' arguments. No one answered a rebuttal I gave when someone said it couldn't handle large mailboxes. Just more 'pine sucks'.
If an AC even brought up the licensing issues involved with pine versus mutt, I would be impressed. But it's mostly ad hominem.
Trying to artificially develop a network of people whose only interest is that they're members of the same network...
You are missing the point. It isn't just because they are on the same network. You have to communicate with other people to make it happen. You can't just expect passively joining is going to get the job done for you. Within these networks are shared interest groups, and the means for you to share ideas. That's the whole point. I've made lots of friends who I see locally IRL, and reconnected with others from the past who have moved out of town through this. Not to mention email pals from all over the world who I have come to know quite well- hell I think I have a free place to stay in several places on any continent just from these experiences. Sometimes shared interest groups are nothing more than inanely titled communities for nothing more than people to have a laugh with each other. Sometimes the dialog that ensues is like well done improv comedy and sometimes it's not. But for me, the experience has been quite positive. The biggest downside is the more popular they become, the worse the experience is with regards to site stability.
More accurately, A/Cs like to do the dogpile on pine campaign for mutt. That I am quite used to, but felt compelled to post a reply since all they are really saying is 'pine sucks' over and over. Get used to it.
I have a 90mb inbox mail spool, and mail folders/files of similar size. In conjunction with running screen, I leave Pine on for weeks at a time. So tell me how it's not handling a large mail box very well, I am really curious.
Funny how the Mutt cops all post as AC. Mutt's perfectly fine; has great configurability. But I have been using Pine for the better part of 15 years and it's comfortable like an old shoe. What the fuck do you care what other people run if it works fine for what they need?
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According to ratsnapple tea (686697): Whatever, dude. Mac OS X Mail.app had incremental searching (just like in iTunes) from the very beginning.
Whatever, dude. I'm typing this on OS X/Safari right now. But my point was I can access/search my mail when I don't have access to my own computers which is often enough for wanting another outlet to get at it. Is that clear enough?
Sorry for being an obnoxious Macboy. I can't seem to stop myself...
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bash-2.05b$ wget http://www.plasticbugs.com/blogimg/GIMPshop.dmg.tb zb z
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Resolving www.plasticbugs.com... done.
Connecting to www.plasticbugs.com[70.84.9.74]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 43,166,835 [application/x-tar]
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16:10:25 (1.08 MB/s) - `GIMPshop.dmg.tbz' saved [43166835/43166835]
Gee, did ya ever strain your head long enough to think there may be a problem with that particular computer? Bad cable, dying drive- whatever. Thanks for not boring us with your laundry list. I am sure it is quite as enlightening.
(Typing on a meagre 867mhz G4 PB which does all those tasks with ease.)
Ah- thanks for that, I stand corrected. I topped out at Finder 6.0.8 (which was a remarkable OS for my needs at the time) and thought that was the end of the OS line for it.
Whoops- must clarify:
System 7 days, by which time my Mac Plus
Noting of course, Mac Plus could not run System 7, but I fequently used other Macs at college and work that did.
I'll bite. :-)
My first computer purchase was a Mac back in 89 (though I used TRS-80 and Apple ][ in school and at home/family computer before that).
I used Mac exclusively up until around System 7 days, by which time my Mac Plus was over the hill and moved to cheaper x86 computers for Windows and Linux. I used Macs at work exclusively for a couple of years around 96-98 and at that time, this "savvy" user loved the applications, but hated the random freezes. For me, it was never a 'one button issue', I always figured out the keyboard combinations to work as swiftly with one, two or three buttons depending on the platform I was using. These days I have found a lot of *NIX guys of all denominations have "switched" because they get a damn nice interface with the UNIX features they love. And looking at Apple's website, it's my opinion that they market to both laypeople and power users, as any computer maker should.
Some of the old 'Mac is for newbies' sentiment is a lot of repeated anecdotes. There is some basis for truth, but I don't think that Apple has done anything to exclude the more technical audience. (Like, plug a multiple button mouse to OS/X and the extra buttons work fine.)
It could end up being powerful enough to cook hot dogs or cement.
Mmmmmmm...
Braised and roasted cement!
The fly in the ointment to linking to google cache is that it still calls images from the original source. The images are really the punchline to the joke. I might as well just wait until this story drops off page one.. which I will have forgotten it by then. :-)
Through the power of photo tagging, I present to you...
Boogers on Flickr.
And despite Clinton's fiscal conservatism, he was a liberal at heart, so he wasn't interested so much in curtailing civil liberties
*cough cough*
DMCA?
Actually he is not the 'anti-business guy' either.
He is an investigative journalist- he covers government mismanagement as well.
Yeah, like Congress should be wasting its time investigating the mismanagement of a game by a monopolistic system they rubber-stamped in the first place.
Exactly my sentiment. I wince every time I hear about Congress taking up an issue related to MLB. Remember that tired old phrase? "For the good of baseball." Whatever- maybe that was something to be concerned about 80 years ago when it was one of a handful of entertainment outlets, but not any more.
No, not really. :-) I'd see them nearly every day when I worked there and the couple times I'd see them in town in PA, they came from the EPRI campus, that's all.
40 miles round trip on 101 between SF and Palo Alto
Was that to EPRI? There were a few EV1s in the parking lot at EPRI at the time GM was working on them with EPRI, and I remember the big roll out in 1996 and about a dozen of them in the parking lot.
Well, yes, now what does that have to do with things like Orkut or Friendster?
Again, from your original comment: network of people whose only interest is that they're members of the same network
This statement is fallacious- few people develop sub-communities within these social network sites just because "they're members of the same network" unless they are discussing how to improve/share ideas/bug reports about the network generally. They create discussion groups every bit as valid as that cherished mailing list you've been on for 10 years.
Sites like Orkut and Friendster didn't create this phenomenon.
So what's your point? It's just another outlet for it. There have been many in the past, and there will be many more in the future.
they seem clumsy, forced
It's not any more or less forced than USENET, MUDs, BBS', web boards, mailing lists, etc. You either choose to play, or you don't.
For others, for people who are already part of online communities... *snip*
Here is an important point: You are speaking only for yourself. You can find plenty of contributors actively participating in social networks who have been around the block and back in Internet time, yours truly included. I'm in the upper levels of the age demographic in SN sites, and I get a kick out of it.
My friends? On slashdot? Check my friend list then get back to me. Obviously you wrote without thinking much.
The point was, it's only A/Cs that are bashing pine or it's users in this thread, and when A/Cs use bad argument tactics to do a hit-n-run, then I assume they are afraid to use UIDs so as they don't take a karma hit when they get knocked as flamebait, etc. for the same content. Nowhere are they using cogent arguments to back up the assertions, it's just the tired old 'pine blows' arguments. No one answered a rebuttal I gave when someone said it couldn't handle large mailboxes. Just more 'pine sucks'.
If an AC even brought up the licensing issues involved with pine versus mutt, I would be impressed. But it's mostly ad hominem.
Is that clear?
I use it regularly with FireFox and Opera* on Linux/XP/OSX, Safari and Camino on OSX. I never use IE for it (or anything else for that matter).
*Some of the features do not work properly on Opera though the site is accessible.
Trying to artificially develop a network of people whose only interest is that they're members of the same network...
You are missing the point. It isn't just because they are on the same network. You have to communicate with other people to make it happen. You can't just expect passively joining is going to get the job done for you. Within these networks are shared interest groups, and the means for you to share ideas. That's the whole point. I've made lots of friends who I see locally IRL, and reconnected with others from the past who have moved out of town through this. Not to mention email pals from all over the world who I have come to know quite well- hell I think I have a free place to stay in several places on any continent just from these experiences. Sometimes shared interest groups are nothing more than inanely titled communities for nothing more than people to have a laugh with each other. Sometimes the dialog that ensues is like well done improv comedy and sometimes it's not. But for me, the experience has been quite positive. The biggest downside is the more popular they become, the worse the experience is with regards to site stability.
We might as well complete the circle now, right?
More accurately, A/Cs like to do the dogpile on pine campaign for mutt. That I am quite used to, but felt compelled to post a reply since all they are really saying is 'pine sucks' over and over. Get used to it.
I have a 90mb inbox mail spool, and mail folders/files of similar size. In conjunction with running screen, I leave Pine on for weeks at a time. So tell me how it's not handling a large mail box very well, I am really curious.
Funny how the Mutt cops all post as AC. Mutt's perfectly fine; has great configurability. But I have been using Pine for the better part of 15 years and it's comfortable like an old shoe. What the fuck do you care what other people run if it works fine for what they need?
You suggested that another poster use pine,
Re-read the thread, A/C. You are mistaken. Someone else did.
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According to ratsnapple tea (686697): Whatever, dude. Mac OS X Mail.app had incremental searching (just like in iTunes) from the very beginning.
Whatever, dude. I'm typing this on OS X/Safari right now. But my point was I can access/search my mail when I don't have access to my own computers which is often enough for wanting another outlet to get at it. Is that clear enough?
Sorry for being an obnoxious Macboy. I can't seem to stop myself...
Perhaps you should consider masturbating more often.