Oh stability is *great*. It's the java that was making it crash. I agree with you though, the memory isn't the greatest (hopefully a 1.0 release will be optimized optimized optimized!... I think that's what they have at the end of their roadmap however).
Response for me has been two things... 1 is the app itself. Replying to a message seems to take *forever* in the messanger, or just drawing all the windows in general, netscape is much faster, however the rendering is very nice. This is why Galeon (galeon.sourceforge.net) and others that are using the rendering engine, but putting their own shell around it are a good idea IMHO.
Actually for me he's correct. I went to a page (tiktok.org) with java and it downloaded, installed, spat out an error and didn't give me the "completed successfully" that PSM did. I restart, go to aformentioned page, and boom, crash. Nuking my mozilla/plugins/* worked though. Guess I'll have to wait till it's not busted huh?
I've been using mozilla nightly builds (download tarball, rename current mozilla dir, untar new build, run, check for broken bits) and I've seen it get better and better. yes, there are still some areas that don't work properly (link colors were recently broken, and they seem to alternate between on style sidebar (in the "modern" them (which rocks btw) the bar separating the sidepanel and the main browsing window) (which I like) and the one that shipped with m18 (which I don't like). Oh well.
As for m18, good job! The linux plugin never seems to install, and installing the PSM gives me:
JavaScript error:
line 0: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Failure" code: "-2147467259" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozi lla/index.html Line: 33"]
Error was suppressed by event handler
But those are things that will no doubt be worked out RSN. This also means good things for the other browser I use (I avoid netscape now 99% of the time) galeon which uses the mozilla rendering engine (no, I haven't forgotten skipstone <g>). There's been a lot of discussion and preparation for the m18 release and API changes and whatnot.
Anyway, I'm glad that/. posts about mozilla are no longer filled with 80% "mozilla sucks" posts. If you *are* one of those people, well, try a nightly build. If it doesn't work, try a different one. Don't just discount it as it *is* a work in progress:)
10W/h is nice, speeds of other processers 50%, 200 faster/slower is nice but what I'd like to know is if I'd be stupid to buy this for my laptop. How many dvds will I be able to watch on the plane? Does quake3 run acceptably? Q2? How is gaming vs the current standard (PIII-500/K7-600, whatever) cpus? Where is this processor best suited? I belive that from the beginning it was said that this isn't supposed to be a q3 fps crunching beast, but we need better benchmarks:)
If someone posted that Windows [whateverthehelltheyareworkingonnow] was delayed, you *know* that the first 20 posts would be "vaporware! vaporware!", without consideration for why, how or what they were doing it for. Simple MS discrimination (I'm guilty of the same thing).
Not that MS would ever delay any vapor*cough*.net*cough*ware^Wproducts:)
I'm just glad AOL/Netscape doesn't throw shit in your system tray like real does. I have yet to find a way (or the ambition as I don't boot into windows much) to get rid of the fucking "start center" POS. Some other programs that do that are at least polite enough to put an option to disable or don't run or something, but with real you can close it, but as soon as you reboot it's back.
[run installer]
[choose/home/alan/netscape6 as install dir]
[choose default options]
[install]
[wait for install to finish]
$ cd netscape6
$./netscape
That's all it took for me, on both home and work systems. Even used my.mozilla from the mozilla nightly builds that I've been using so I didn't have to reconfigure mail/bookmarks. No idea what is wrong with your peoples systems. Could you provide more information that "I deleted.mozilla and it still crashed what a piece of shit"?
By the way, I've moved to ns6pr3 for a while away from the mozilla nightly builds for the simple reason that I can use ^R now to do things like refresh and reply, and that the PSM comes pre-installed. Don't get me wrong, AOL is evil and the stuff coming from netscape is a pile of crap these days. Mozilla however, rocks, and ns6pr3 has a more "polished" feel to it than the nightly builds. They just need to get rid of: buddy list bs, my netscape button bs, choose keyword bs, and the business/tech/fun/interact bs at the bottom. And the sign up crap that you have to go through get install it.
Well actually I was speaking in a metaphorical sense.... ie: advertising in general:) Junkbuster isn't going to help get rid of the huge plackards I have to endure on the way to work and home every day.
So how do you do this? 99.9% of this sort of thing is done because of banner ads. So how do we make banner ads unprofitable? They are an extension of the commercialization we see around us every day, completely focused on the chance that their product or service will be so ground into our brains because we've seen it all over that when we need new carpets, or brain surgery, we'll go to them.
Personally I hate ads. I see them everywhere and you really can't get away from them. Signposts, TV, hugeass tv screens situated alongside the road while you drive home from work.... they all suck.
Personally I don't see us getting rid of them until advertising itself is unprofitable, which means either there is a better way (direct marketing or mind control or something) or we enter some sort of star trek universe where there is no need for money, and therefor no need to make someone else use your service or product, and therefor no need to advertise.
Another solution would be to make typesquatters illegal, but that would mean something like giving the owner of a copyright the right to own the mis-spellings of their name/product as well, and from the PITA episode and similar ones, we all know how *that* goes.
Interesting though, people come up in arms where something like PITA is involved, but we go the opposite way for something like this.
I really don't care what they *call* it (I use that other silly little linux thing anyway), as long as they keep consistant!
People are just now barely able to grasp what the network neighborhood is, and suddenly you want them to change? I have no problem with these changes, but it's the Other Stupid People(tm) that can't handle them.
Bug win2k is still mostly targetted at servers is it not? I think a personal firewall would be much better to have bundled with win98* or winme? Hell, bundle zone alarm or gatewayy guardian or something like that in there...
A lot of the "features" added (office suite, theme designer) are not mozilla features, they are other people creating something *for* mozilla. Thisis cool IMHO, as long as it doesn't slow development....
I was actually in the same boat as you are. The latest nightly builds however, are stable enough for me to use mozilla as my browser of choice now. Yes, I'm on a pIII-550 with 256mb ram, yes, it does come down occasionally, yes I did have to install the https personal security manager mentioned in the other mozilla thread today, but it's usable and I'm happy. I will be happier when it's totally stable and fast, etc, but I can say that I am happy I held in there.
Hard Drive Magnets! Everyone has a few old 100meggers sitting around that aren't being used in the mp3 server, take them apart and use the (very strong) magnets in them for the fridge. You can hold lots with one, like... an ORA book.
Disclaimer: I've never done this myself, but have one, so I can't say if it's from an old HD, or a new one, or what. But heck, I have my bat book up on the fridge with this....:)
Pardon the stupid question, but the first I heard of this site was when it was nuked by script kiddies a while back. I've kept an eye on the reports of it coming back, getting better hardware and so on, but I still wonder what the page was before? Same as it is now with a different look?(tech news etc) or something different?
But back then they were called "card generators" and you didn't have that nasty problem of someone actually wanting *money* for your anonymous purchase:)
I'm looking for something that will allow us at work to allow signing or encrypting of mail between people using linux, windows, and clients such as eudora, mutt, pine, netscape mail, xfmail, eventually evolution and outlook express.
GPG/PGP fits the bill perfectly for mutt, pine, and xfmail, but I'm still looking for something that will work with netscape and OE. Netscape uses X509 certs which aren't supported by the other (unix) programs such as xfmail, mutt, etc.
We want these capabilities and I don't want to have to switch my mailer!
Can anyone help?
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I used to be a die hard slackware fan. I started with slack 2.0 as my first distro (actually the first one I bought on CD, my very first was a.99 kernel via SLS (I think) ) and stayed there until about three years ago, when I went to debian. Don't get me wrong, I *LOVE* playing around with linux, but when I entered a linux job I found I didn't have the time to "play" anymore and needed to get stuff done. For me, Debian (or redhat or distro X to disuade any holy wars) gave me what I wanted from slackware... a text centric system, files you have to configure yourself, no fancy gui system management tools, and package management.
While I enjoy knowing exactly what's in a system, I also sometimes need to "just install it". Ie: I need to unzip a program. I could go to freshmeat, search, go to the homepage, download, untar,./configure, make, make install, or I could type "apt-get install unzip", wait 30 seconds and then unzip the file.
Yes, package management does loose some control (not optimized for your processer, missing some options, that sort of thing) but IMHO the productivity I gain from not having to do the extra hacking to get things going is worth it.
That's on my work system of course, my home system (where I do have time to play) is another matter all togeather....
From what I heard about Samuel L. Jackson's inclusion in Episode I, he basically begged Lucas to be in it. The reply was that the parts were all taken care of, and that the only thing he could get would be a bit part. The reply was something along the lines of "who cares, I just want to be in a star wars movie".
This is what I heard, so take it with a grain of salt (TIWAGOS?), but it sounds about right. Wouldn't *you* want to be in a star wars movie, even if it was just as a side character, or one jedi knight in a thousand, charging forward in the clone wars? I know I would (that is of course if lucas doesn't replace armies of jedi with CGI jedi because the armies of droids in Episode I looked so good (bah)).
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Oh stability is *great*. It's the java that was making it crash. I agree with you though, the memory isn't the greatest (hopefully a 1.0 release will be optimized optimized optimized!... I think that's what they have at the end of their roadmap however).
Response for me has been two things... 1 is the app itself. Replying to a message seems to take *forever* in the messanger, or just drawing all the windows in general, netscape is much faster, however the rendering is very nice. This is why Galeon (galeon.sourceforge.net) and others that are using the rendering engine, but putting their own shell around it are a good idea IMHO.
Actually for me he's correct. I went to a page (tiktok.org) with java and it downloaded, installed, spat out an error and didn't give me the "completed successfully" that PSM did. I restart, go to aformentioned page, and boom, crash. Nuking my mozilla/plugins/* worked though. Guess I'll have to wait till it's not busted huh?
As for m18, good job! The linux plugin never seems to install, and installing the PSM gives me:
JavaScript error:
line 0: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Failure" code: "-2147467259" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-moz
Error was suppressed by event handler
But those are things that will no doubt be worked out RSN. This also means good things for the other browser I use (I avoid netscape now 99% of the time) galeon which uses the mozilla rendering engine (no, I haven't forgotten skipstone <g>). There's been a lot of discussion and preparation for the m18 release and API changes and whatnot.
Anyway, I'm glad that
Here here!
:)
:)
10W/h is nice, speeds of other processers 50%, 200 faster/slower is nice but what I'd like to know is if I'd be stupid to buy this for my laptop. How many dvds will I be able to watch on the plane? Does quake3 run acceptably? Q2? How is gaming vs the current standard (PIII-500/K7-600, whatever) cpus? Where is this processor best suited? I belive that from the beginning it was said that this isn't supposed to be a q3 fps crunching beast, but we need better benchmarks
ie: sucks/doesn't suck/sucks less
If someone posted that Windows [whateverthehelltheyareworkingonnow] was delayed, you *know* that the first 20 posts would be "vaporware! vaporware!", without consideration for why, how or what they were doing it for. Simple MS discrimination (I'm guilty of the same thing).
:)
Not that MS would ever delay any vapor*cough*.net*cough*ware^Wproducts
test9?
:)
sheet,I just got test8 all up aand going properly on my system at home. Bah.
Course, I don't *need* anything in the 2.4 kernels, it's just nice to be on the edge once and a while
I'm just glad AOL/Netscape doesn't throw shit in your system tray like real does. I have yet to find a way (or the ambition as I don't boot into windows much) to get rid of the fucking "start center" POS. Some other programs that do that are at least polite enough to put an option to disable or don't run or something, but with real you can close it, but as soon as you reboot it's back.
Bah.
(-1 redundant)
/home/alan/netscape6 as install dir]
./netscape
.mozilla from the mozilla nightly builds that I've been using so I didn't have to reconfigure mail/bookmarks. No idea what is wrong with your peoples systems. Could you provide more information that "I deleted .mozilla and it still crashed what a piece of shit"?
:)
[run installer]
[choose
[choose default options]
[install]
[wait for install to finish]
$ cd netscape6
$
That's all it took for me, on both home and work systems. Even used my
By the way, I've moved to ns6pr3 for a while away from the mozilla nightly builds for the simple reason that I can use ^R now to do things like refresh and reply, and that the PSM comes pre-installed. Don't get me wrong, AOL is evil and the stuff coming from netscape is a pile of crap these days. Mozilla however, rocks, and ns6pr3 has a more "polished" feel to it than the nightly builds. They just need to get rid of: buddy list bs, my netscape button bs, choose keyword bs, and the business/tech/fun/interact bs at the bottom. And the sign up crap that you have to go through get install it.
But other than that I'm impressed
Well actually I was speaking in a metaphorical sense.... ie: advertising in general :) Junkbuster isn't going to help get rid of the huge plackards I have to endure on the way to work and home every day.
So how do you do this? 99.9% of this sort of thing is done because of banner ads. So how do we make banner ads unprofitable? They are an extension of the commercialization we see around us every day, completely focused on the chance that their product or service will be so ground into our brains because we've seen it all over that when we need new carpets, or brain surgery, we'll go to them.
Personally I hate ads. I see them everywhere and you really can't get away from them. Signposts, TV, hugeass tv screens situated alongside the road while you drive home from work.... they all suck.
Personally I don't see us getting rid of them until advertising itself is unprofitable, which means either there is a better way (direct marketing or mind control or something) or we enter some sort of star trek universe where there is no need for money, and therefor no need to make someone else use your service or product, and therefor no need to advertise.
Another solution would be to make typesquatters illegal, but that would mean something like giving the owner of a copyright the right to own the mis-spellings of their name/product as well, and from the PITA episode and similar ones, we all know how *that* goes.
Interesting though, people come up in arms where something like PITA is involved, but we go the opposite way for something like this.
I really don't care what they *call* it (I use that other silly little linux thing anyway), as long as they keep consistant!
People are just now barely able to grasp what the network neighborhood is, and suddenly you want them to change? I have no problem with these changes, but it's the Other Stupid People(tm) that can't handle them.
Bug win2k is still mostly targetted at servers is it not? I think a personal firewall would be much better to have bundled with win98* or winme? Hell, bundle zone alarm or gatewayy guardian or something like that in there...
I have a similar one but when I want to add functionality to someone's desktop I pop in my Linux boot CD...
:)
A lot of the "features" added (office suite, theme designer) are not mozilla features, they are other people creating something *for* mozilla. Thisis cool IMHO, as long as it doesn't slow development....
In case this is actually ever read....
I was actually in the same boat as you are. The latest nightly builds however, are stable enough for me to use mozilla as my browser of choice now. Yes, I'm on a pIII-550 with 256mb ram, yes, it does come down occasionally, yes I did have to install the https personal security manager mentioned in the other mozilla thread today, but it's usable and I'm happy. I will be happier when it's totally stable and fast, etc, but I can say that I am happy I held in there.
Give the nightly's a shot, you may be impressed!
No way...
:)
Hard Drive Magnets! Everyone has a few old 100meggers sitting around that aren't being used in the mp3 server, take them apart and use the (very strong) magnets in them for the fridge. You can hold lots with one, like... an ORA book.
Disclaimer: I've never done this myself, but have one, so I can't say if it's from an old HD, or a new one, or what. But heck, I have my bat book up on the fridge with this....
Pardon the stupid question, but the first I heard of this site was when it was nuked by script kiddies a while back. I've kept an eye on the reports of it coming back, getting better hardware and so on, but I still wonder what the page was before? Same as it is now with a different look?(tech news etc) or something different?
Really? ARGH! I just installed X4 remotely (haven't gone home to test it yet) in the hopes that it'd fix my v3 - 3500 problems in debian unstable.
Bah.
But back then they were called "card generators" and you didn't have that nasty problem of someone actually wanting *money* for your anonymous purchase :)
I'm looking for something that will allow us at work to allow signing or encrypting of mail between people using linux, windows, and clients such as eudora, mutt, pine, netscape mail, xfmail, eventually evolution and outlook express.
GPG/PGP fits the bill perfectly for mutt, pine, and xfmail, but I'm still looking for something that will work with netscape and OE. Netscape uses X509 certs which aren't supported by the other (unix) programs such as xfmail, mutt, etc.
We want these capabilities and I don't want to have to switch my mailer!
Can anyone help?
[Insert Andover/VA/Linux.com/Rob Malda/Roblimo making slashdot more "corporate" conspiricy theory here.]
:)
I used to be a die hard slackware fan. I started with slack 2.0 as my first distro (actually the first one I bought on CD, my very first was a .99 kernel via SLS (I think) ) and stayed there until about three years ago, when I went to debian. Don't get me wrong, I *LOVE* playing around with linux, but when I entered a linux job I found I didn't have the time to "play" anymore and needed to get stuff done. For me, Debian (or redhat or distro X to disuade any holy wars) gave me what I wanted from slackware... a text centric system, files you have to configure yourself, no fancy gui system management tools, and package management.
./configure, make, make install, or I could type "apt-get install unzip", wait 30 seconds and then unzip the file.
While I enjoy knowing exactly what's in a system, I also sometimes need to "just install it". Ie: I need to unzip a program. I could go to freshmeat, search, go to the homepage, download, untar,
Yes, package management does loose some control (not optimized for your processer, missing some options, that sort of thing) but IMHO the productivity I gain from not having to do the extra hacking to get things going is worth it.
That's on my work system of course, my home system (where I do have time to play) is another matter all togeather....
From what I heard about Samuel L. Jackson's inclusion in Episode I, he basically begged Lucas to be in it. The reply was that the parts were all taken care of, and that the only thing he could get would be a bit part. The reply was something along the lines of "who cares, I just want to be in a star wars movie".
This is what I heard, so take it with a grain of salt (TIWAGOS?), but it sounds about right. Wouldn't *you* want to be in a star wars movie, even if it was just as a side character, or one jedi knight in a thousand, charging forward in the clone wars? I know I would (that is of course if lucas doesn't replace armies of jedi with CGI jedi because the armies of droids in Episode I looked so good (bah)).
Good point, however I seriously doubt that lucasfilms has budget constraints :)
Around April 1 IIRC apache.org was running Apache 1.x on a palmOS :)
.99alpha or the like :)
Even more fun is changing your browser reply in lynx to IE 6.0beta3 or Mozilla