Well - since OS X is built on Darwin...which is built from FreeBSD...every FreeBSD liability is automatically included FOR FREE (as in "no-cost-to-the-consumer") by Apple!!
How nice of them to do that for you - but of course, no *nix-lover ever wants any of the "unwashed & unblessed" Windows users to think that *nix is not secure by default - it's their "digital playtime" to patch their *nix OS; in fact, it's almost a game for them to keep up-to-date with the latest patches on top of providing *nix SysAdmins with job security.
Looks like someone installed Windows on his Linux machine, and he feels that everyone here lied to him, because contrary to all of the anti-Microsoft propaganda regularly spewed-forth on/. his system runs perfectly.
Now - let's watch and see how the Modeation Nazi's work with this post - will they mod it down because It's anti-Linux, will they mod it down because it's pro-Microsoft, or will just leave it where it is?
Wouldn't that pretty much put all the nails in the coffin for/.?
I'd estimate that at least 50% of the posts on this over-rated, bloated BLOG (That's all what/. really is - a BLOG) are some form of troll posted by anti-Microsoft bigots, another 10% being genuine, intelligent discussion, another 10% falling into the category of "How to keep yourself from getting screwed by The Government when you're doing something illegal", and the remaining 30% just being absolutely clueless.
If the upgrades don't work it's not Microsoft's fault - the more likely scenario is that you have a perfectly-good OS from Microsoft that has been tainted by crappy 3rd-party programs, shareware, hacked/cracked warez and who-knows-what-else installed on your system.
It's something I like to call "Responsible Computing"
No you didn't, because had you stolen $1,691.00 from MS, you would be prosecuted for theft...
...which is exactly what I assisted Microsoft in doing when I reported 7 Warez sites who were "distributing" Windows 95 and valid Windows 95 CD Keys and KeyGens, subsequently bringing those sites down permamently and having Microsoft prosecute the site owners.
1. A sale only occurs when willingness to pay is greater than price.
WRONG. A sale occurs when you pay for goods or services. This "Willingness to pay" angle is utterly stupid. I want Gas in my car, but I'm not willing to pay for it, so getting the product without paying for it is THEFT.
2. Software, unlike material goods costs nothing to reproduce, especially if someone else reproduces it.
WRONG. You pay programmers to write software that's good enough to sell (unlike open-source crap that you can't even get people to BUY), along with advertizing, purchasing raw materials like CDs. In order to recoup your costs, you SELL it. Reproducing Commerical works is THEFT.
3. There is no direct damage caused by it's reproduction since nothing is diminished during the process.
Based on faulty assumptions #1 and #2, so this is also WRONG. QED.
4. Proprietary software companies always claim every copy reproduced illegally looses them the full value of one copy of their software.
WRONG. Illegally reproduced or distributed software detracts from the sales of said software, just like "shrinkage" (i.e. shoplifting) reduces sales of product for stores.
Therefore what proprietary software companies claim is false (point 4). They do not suffer damages from a diminishable resource (they agree with this, points 2 and 3). Furthermore they do not loose a potential customer with every sale because many copyright infringers do not meet the requirements to buy their software (point 1)
It appears that 7-Vodka learned economics from the back of a Cheerio's box. Go back and get at least some book-learnin' on economics, you dolt!
Here's a better example: I manage a large apartment complex, and rewire the entire complex and convert & modify all of the *DIGITAL* cable boxen to let all of my tennants to get every movie channel for free.
Is it "theft of bits"? NO, because I wasn't willing to pay for it. I myself am not paying for the additional channels my tennants use. There is no "supply" of bits. I am not willing to pay for the service.
Your "Willingness to Pay.vs greater than price" is pure and utter BOVINE FERTILIZER and bleeds of what is really wrong in the world today: CORRUPT MORALS!
FSCK yourself! (Yes, FSCK - File System ChecK...if you thought it meant something else, then pour some Drain-o in your ear to CLEAN-UP YOUR MIND!)
All of the warez-monkeys that posted copies of Win9x along with CD Keys on pr0n-filled W@R3Z S|73Z kinda forced the issue. I'm thankfull that I got the opportunity to help close some of them down.
Do us all a favor and take that sunshine you're blowing-up the readers' collective toucas and pipe it into your own.
The average PC User had enough trouble transitioning from MS-DOS and Win3.11 to Win9x - you expect them to just jump to your elitest OS "...within an hour or two..."???
Instead of spouting "FUD", you're guilty of spewing "Sunshine, Love, and Dreams"!!
Fear? Yes - fear of an elitest OS!!
Uncertainty - Yes, we're uncertain about the average user's ability to run Linux!!
Doubt - Yes, I absolutely doubt that Penguin Fetishists will EVER understand the "average" PC user.
Take those rose-colored glasses and toss them in the nearest trash-can.
This "decent helpdesk" wouldn't need training in Linux as well? Or, would you propose to fire all of the existing, well-trained helpdesk & support techs and hiring Linux hackers? That would really be an intelligent decision: letting a bunch of Linux hax0rs loose or a corporate LAN, replacing their Windows NT/2k Servers with Linux because "it's so much more '|337'" - which brings productivity to a standstill while everyone tries to figure out how to get to their favorite applications? I can imagine the scenario perfectly:
THE PHONECALL OF DOOM!!!!
User1: I need help!! I went to start using EXCEL, and my EXCEL icon, along with WinWord and Access icons are GONE!!! WHERE THE HELL DID MY EXCEL ICON GO TO!?!?!"
HelpDesk: "Oh, well - we're running Linux now (User1 didn't notice, because someone sneakilly installed Linux with a Win9x-looking theme), so you can't run Excel...but we have this |337 replacement for that money-grubbing Bill Gates' closed-source software abortion called MS-Office - it's called StarOff..."
User1: YOU DID WHAT!?!??! YOU JUST DESTROYED MY ABILITY TO WORK!!!! I'M CALLING THE IT DIRECTOR AND YOU'RE LOSING YOUR JOB!!!
HelpDesk: Well, I'm afraid you can't call him - he was fired along with the rest of the l@mer Winblowz support staff. The new IT director's name is "kInG-H@x0r" - but you can't speak with him right now because he's busy hacking into the Company's PBX syst
If THAT'S the future for US Business, you can say that Finnland sucessfully invaded the US with the aim of destroying it by ruining almost every American business by having their brightest mind (yes, mind) write an Operating System that Hackers would fall in love with because of the sheer geek-appeal of requiring the user to have the equivalent of a BS/BA degree in Computer Science to even make it work right - thereby destroying the IT infrastructure of most American buisnesses and bringing US productivity to a screeching halt.
A very good point, carlos_benj; unfortunately, the PFP (Penguin Festishist Party) looks at any chance to get "The OS loved by Hackers world-wide" as another victory in their "Software Jihad" against Microsoft.
One thing to think about is this: Is "FUD" always misleading? Is "FUD" always dishonest? Has the PFP been guilty of their own "Disinformation Campaign"?
"When trying to post a whitty retort or comment, be aware that some people may not live where you do and may not understand certain geographical terminology. (ex: "The 'L'", "The Metro", "BART")"
Seattle Government and most Puget Sound residents (at least for the last 30 years or so) have always been "behind the times" concerning Transportation issues. The section of I-5 that passes underneath Seattle is almost always congested, I-405 through Bellevue is a nightmare, SR-520 and the 520 floating bridge is a joke.
Seattle City Planners were so myopic in the 60's that the balked on Government assistance for any kind of Mass Transit system. They now depend on Diesel / Electric Buses (Diesel *does* polute) for a stop-gap Mass Transit System. They've been "talking" about some kind of Mass Transit system using a combination of hardly-used Burlington Northern track and AmTrak tracks, but this only serves the I-5 Corridor and completely ignores Bellevue & the Eastside.
If Seattle-area residents had had any ammount of vision in the 60s' beyond their own collective nose, they would have a Mass Transit system that could have been the equal of any other similar system in the nation, including BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) - which is, IMHO, one of the best systems out there.
No, it's not SSH or rsh or rlogin, but it does give you the ability to remotely operate / admin a WinXP Pro box. I used to use a similar program from McAfee a few years ago called "Remote Desktop/32" that allowed me to manage all of my Windows NT HTTP/NNTP/SMTP & POP3 Servers when I ran a Seattle-based ISP several years ago - worked like a champ, with the only exception being that I had to do it across a dial-up connection...which made it fairly slow.
I'm sure that some hacker/code-monkey will try to exploit that soon, just to make Windows users angry and to make *nix look more secure than Win32...
...which reminds me: isn't it funny that most attacks against Windows boxen are from *nix boxen? You might as well call it the "Jihad Against the Infidel Microsoft Users"
...mythical BSA "money lost due to pirates"
revenue stream.
Mythical?
You buy a copy of Microsoft XP. You burn 20 copies and give one to everyone in your company (let' say, for the point of conversation that the number we're talking about is 20)
XP costs around US$89.00
$89.00 X 20 = $1,780.00
$1,780.00 - $89.00 = $1,691.00
You just stole $1,691.00 from Microsoft.
WHY people just can't grasp those facts is beyond me - I think it's some kind of mental deficiency that says that it's not ok to steal a Snickers bar from the corner store, but it's perfectly ok to steal software by copying it.
Oh, and trying to use the "photocopying a book" example is a bunch of bovine fertilizer, because all you are doing is making an inferior copy of the contents of the book and not a nearly-exact duplicate of the book (paper, binding, cover, etc).
I'm proud to be a regular contributor to the PIRACY@MICROSOFT.COM email address, and in the past have reported more than 30 warez sites and have seen those sites taken down for software piracy.
Please enlighten me as to what technological leaps have been provided by Linux? Sharing code is *not* a technological advance. OSS is *not* a new technology.
Oh, you mean "free software" is now a technology?
All of our current computing technology is based on the 1 and the 0 - how can you improve on the good-old 1/0, yes/no, on/off functionality of binary gates?
There are some people doing hard research on computational models beyond binary digital computing, but I can tell you that it's not Microsoft or Linux.
Thanks for the clarification, Matt - my comment was in no way meant to lable you as a "content thief".
In order to make any kind of "policing" work, SonicBlue also has to create the legal protections to do so, in order for them to not self-indemnify themselves.
I'm sure that the legal advisors for ReplayTV researched the indemnification limitations mentioned very thoroughly.
So what if they have, for all intents and purposes provded a legal challenge to hardware/software hacks of their products? The kinds of hacks that are done to ReplayTV and similar devices are usually only those to allow the ILLEGAL RECEPTION of content that the end-customer hasn't PAID for (i.e. "Free" as in "Shoplifting" and "Theft"); but this seems to be nothing new to/. zealots - warez, hacking and other ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES are great bedfellows.
Open source means the source is open, yes, this means it might be used without permission. open source to me is sharing information, not giving away work for free. Allow people to view the sourcecode, but license and charge for the app.
Hmmmm....
Step 1 - get copy of sourcecode and all related libraries.
Step 2 - compile, link, create executable image.
Step 3 - Now I have a running version of the software that took some poor fool 6 months to develop.
OSS = GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE (free, as in Air)
HTML is an interpreted language because that's how Mr. Ted Berners-Lee spec'ed it - if you don't want people to see your coding cleverness, use ASP.
OSS is great for Academia, but is basically BAD (as in evil) for business.
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Well - since OS X is built on Darwin...which is built from FreeBSD...every FreeBSD liability is automatically included FOR FREE (as in "no-cost-to-the-consumer") by Apple!!
How nice of them to do that for you - but of course, no *nix-lover ever wants any of the "unwashed & unblessed" Windows users to think that *nix is not secure by default - it's their "digital playtime" to patch their *nix OS; in fact, it's almost a game for them to keep up-to-date with the latest patches on top of providing *nix SysAdmins with job security.
Purely Amazing!
ScottKin
Whoops!
/. his system runs perfectly.
Looks like someone installed Windows on his Linux machine, and he feels that everyone here lied to him, because contrary to all of the anti-Microsoft propaganda regularly spewed-forth on
Now - let's watch and see how the Modeation Nazi's work with this post - will they mod it down because It's anti-Linux, will they mod it down because it's pro-Microsoft, or will just leave it where it is?
Your guess is as good as mine.
ScottKin
Excuse me?
"Linux/Unix" incompatability?
Let me try to figure this out...
Are you meaning:
1) Linux and Unix are incompatable with each other.
or,
2) Linux and Unix are incompatable with Microsoft Operating Systems.
Case #1 - You're an utter idiot and need to be flooged with CAT5 cable.
Case #2 - You're an even BIGGER idiot than what was defined in Case #1, because Microsoft does not have to support *nix OS'es if they don't want to.
To sum things up:
If you want to run Windows Apps in a stable and reliable manner, GO INSTALL WINDOWS ON YOUR EFFING BOX!
'nuff said!
ScottKin
Again, the brain-dead meta-moderators or the /. Moderation Nazi's mod-up a TROLL!
There must be some nice php code running here now to automatically up-mod any Anti-Microsoft post, regardless if it's a LAME-ASSED TROLL or not.
'nuff said!
ScottKin
Wouldn't that pretty much put all the nails in the coffin for /.?
I'd estimate that at least 50% of the posts on this over-rated, bloated BLOG (That's all what /. really is - a BLOG) are some form of troll posted by anti-Microsoft bigots, another 10% being genuine, intelligent discussion, another 10% falling into the category of "How to keep yourself from getting screwed by The Government when you're doing something illegal", and the remaining 30% just being absolutely clueless.
ScottKin
If the upgrades don't work it's not Microsoft's fault - the more likely scenario is that you have a perfectly-good OS from Microsoft that has been tainted by crappy 3rd-party programs, shareware, hacked/cracked warez and who-knows-what-else installed on your system.
It's something I like to call "Responsible Computing"
ScottKin
'nuff said!
ScottKin
1. A sale only occurs when willingness to pay is greater than price.
WRONG. A sale occurs when you pay for goods or services. This "Willingness to pay" angle is utterly stupid. I want Gas in my car, but I'm not willing to pay for it, so getting the product without paying for it is THEFT.
2. Software, unlike material goods costs nothing to reproduce, especially if someone else reproduces it.
WRONG. You pay programmers to write software that's good enough to sell (unlike open-source crap that you can't even get people to BUY), along with advertizing, purchasing raw materials like CDs. In order to recoup your costs, you SELL it. Reproducing Commerical works is THEFT.
3. There is no direct damage caused by it's reproduction since nothing is diminished during the process.
Based on faulty assumptions #1 and #2, so this is also WRONG. QED.
4. Proprietary software companies always claim every copy reproduced illegally looses them the full value of one copy of their software.
WRONG. Illegally reproduced or distributed software detracts from the sales of said software, just like "shrinkage" (i.e. shoplifting) reduces sales of product for stores.
Therefore what proprietary software companies claim is false (point 4). They do not suffer damages from a diminishable resource (they agree with this, points 2 and 3). Furthermore they do not loose a potential customer with every sale because many copyright infringers do not meet the requirements to buy their software (point 1)
It appears that 7-Vodka learned economics from the back of a Cheerio's box. Go back and get at least some book-learnin' on economics, you dolt!
ScottKin
Talking about calling the kettle "Black"...
.vs greater than price" is pure and utter BOVINE FERTILIZER and bleeds of what is really wrong in the world today: CORRUPT MORALS!
Here's a better example: I manage a large apartment complex, and rewire the entire complex and convert & modify all of the *DIGITAL* cable boxen to let all of my tennants to get every movie channel for free.
Is it "theft of bits"? NO, because I wasn't willing to pay for it. I myself am not paying for the additional channels my tennants use. There is no "supply" of bits. I am not willing to pay for the service.
Your "Willingness to Pay
FSCK yourself! (Yes, FSCK - File System ChecK...if you thought it meant something else, then pour some Drain-o in your ear to CLEAN-UP YOUR MIND!)
ScottKin
Thank you!
ScottKin
All of the warez-monkeys that posted copies of Win9x along with CD Keys on pr0n-filled W@R3Z S|73Z kinda forced the issue. I'm thankfull that I got the opportunity to help close some of them down.
ScottKin
More proof that CmdrTaco and the rest of the people that manage this overblown BLOG-site collectively DO live in a Cave in West Virginia.
/. has begun it's downhill slide with this "news item"
Give us a break and post something relevant, like new news on Beowulf clusters matching the performance of Cray T3E Supercomputers?
It's official -
ScottKin
Do us all a favor and take that sunshine you're blowing-up the readers' collective toucas and pipe it into your own.
The average PC User had enough trouble transitioning from MS-DOS and Win3.11 to Win9x - you expect them to just jump to your elitest OS "...within an hour or two..."???
Instead of spouting "FUD", you're guilty of spewing "Sunshine, Love, and Dreams"!!
Fear? Yes - fear of an elitest OS!!
Uncertainty - Yes, we're uncertain about the average user's ability to run Linux!!
Doubt - Yes, I absolutely doubt that Penguin Fetishists will EVER understand the "average" PC user.
Take those rose-colored glasses and toss them in the nearest trash-can.
ScottKin
Are you smoking something?
This "decent helpdesk" wouldn't need training in Linux as well? Or, would you propose to fire all of the existing, well-trained helpdesk & support techs and hiring Linux hackers? That would really be an intelligent decision: letting a bunch of Linux hax0rs loose or a corporate LAN, replacing their Windows NT/2k Servers with Linux because "it's so much more '|337'" - which brings productivity to a standstill while everyone tries to figure out how to get to their favorite applications? I can imagine the scenario perfectly:
THE PHONECALL OF DOOM!!!!
User1: I need help!! I went to start using EXCEL, and my EXCEL icon, along with WinWord and Access icons are GONE!!! WHERE THE HELL DID MY EXCEL ICON GO TO!?!?!"
HelpDesk: "Oh, well - we're running Linux now (User1 didn't notice, because someone sneakilly installed Linux with a Win9x-looking theme), so you can't run Excel...but we have this |337 replacement for that money-grubbing Bill Gates' closed-source software abortion called MS-Office - it's called StarOff..."
User1: YOU DID WHAT!?!??! YOU JUST DESTROYED MY ABILITY TO WORK!!!! I'M CALLING THE IT DIRECTOR AND YOU'RE LOSING YOUR JOB!!!
HelpDesk: Well, I'm afraid you can't call him - he was fired along with the rest of the l@mer Winblowz support staff. The new IT director's name is "kInG-H@x0r" - but you can't speak with him right now because he's busy hacking into the Company's PBX syst
If THAT'S the future for US Business, you can say that Finnland sucessfully invaded the US with the aim of destroying it by ruining almost every American business by having their brightest mind (yes, mind) write an Operating System that Hackers would fall in love with because of the sheer geek-appeal of requiring the user to have the equivalent of a BS/BA degree in Computer Science to even make it work right - thereby destroying the IT infrastructure of most American buisnesses and bringing US productivity to a screeching halt.
KILL THE PENGUIN!!!!
A very good point, carlos_benj; unfortunately, the PFP (Penguin Festishist Party) looks at any chance to get "The OS loved by Hackers world-wide" as another victory in their "Software Jihad" against Microsoft.
One thing to think about is this: Is "FUD" always misleading? Is "FUD" always dishonest? Has the PFP been guilty of their own "Disinformation Campaign"?
Think about it.
/. Posting Rule #2,421,290:
"When trying to post a whitty retort or comment, be aware that some people may not live where you do and may not understand certain geographical terminology. (ex: "The 'L'", "The Metro", "BART")"
Seattle Government and most Puget Sound residents (at least for the last 30 years or so) have always been "behind the times" concerning Transportation issues. The section of I-5 that passes underneath Seattle is almost always congested, I-405 through Bellevue is a nightmare, SR-520 and the 520 floating bridge is a joke.
Seattle City Planners were so myopic in the 60's that the balked on Government assistance for any kind of Mass Transit system. They now depend on Diesel / Electric Buses (Diesel *does* polute) for a stop-gap Mass Transit System. They've been "talking" about some kind of Mass Transit system using a combination of hardly-used Burlington Northern track and AmTrak tracks, but this only serves the I-5 Corridor and completely ignores Bellevue & the Eastside.
If Seattle-area residents had had any ammount of vision in the 60s' beyond their own collective nose, they would have a Mass Transit system that could have been the equal of any other similar system in the nation, including BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) - which is, IMHO, one of the best systems out there.
ScottKin
Troll
/. posters who are unaware that /. is just a Penguin Fetishist's BLOG
Go back to attacking unwarry travelers who try to cross bridges or unwarry
How to Use the Remote Desktop Feature of Windows XP Professional (Q315328)
No, it's not SSH or rsh or rlogin, but it does give you the ability to remotely operate / admin a WinXP Pro box. I used to use a similar program from McAfee a few years ago called "Remote Desktop/32" that allowed me to manage all of my Windows NT HTTP/NNTP/SMTP & POP3 Servers when I ran a Seattle-based ISP several years ago - worked like a champ, with the only exception being that I had to do it across a dial-up connection...which made it fairly slow.
I'm sure that some hacker/code-monkey will try to exploit that soon, just to make Windows users angry and to make *nix look more secure than Win32...
ScottKin
Mythical?
You buy a copy of Microsoft XP. You burn 20 copies and give one to everyone in your company (let' say, for the point of conversation that the number we're talking about is 20)
XP costs around US$89.00
$89.00 X 20 = $1,780.00
$1,780.00 - $89.00 = $1,691.00
You just stole $1,691.00 from Microsoft.
WHY people just can't grasp those facts is beyond me - I think it's some kind of mental deficiency that says that it's not ok to steal a Snickers bar from the corner store, but it's perfectly ok to steal software by copying it.
Oh, and trying to use the "photocopying a book" example is a bunch of bovine fertilizer, because all you are doing is making an inferior copy of the contents of the book and not a nearly-exact duplicate of the book (paper, binding, cover, etc).
I'm proud to be a regular contributor to the PIRACY@MICROSOFT.COM email address, and in the past have reported more than 30 warez sites and have seen those sites taken down for software piracy.
Enjoy the Ride!
ScottKin
And Linux has improved "software technology"?
Please enlighten me as to what technological leaps have been provided by Linux? Sharing code is *not* a technological advance. OSS is *not* a new technology.
Oh, you mean "free software" is now a technology?
All of our current computing technology is based on the 1 and the 0 - how can you improve on the good-old 1/0, yes/no, on/off functionality of binary gates?
There are some people doing hard research on computational models beyond binary digital computing, but I can tell you that it's not Microsoft or Linux.
Thanks for the clarification, Matt - my comment was in no way meant to lable you as a "content thief".
In order to make any kind of "policing" work, SonicBlue also has to create the legal protections to do so, in order for them to not self-indemnify themselves.
ScottKin
If they do scan your ReplayTV box every time, it's their perrogative because it's their product!
Three cheers for the makers of ReplayTV to hit the CONTENT THIEVES right in their 'nads!!!
Also, they'll know EXACTLY who you are by the unique Serial# and Unit# burned into the non-eprom chips.
Interestingly enough, Napster filed for Chapter 11 protections today.
Enjoy the Ride!!
ScottKin
I'm sure that the legal advisors for ReplayTV researched the indemnification limitations mentioned very thoroughly.
/. zealots - warez, hacking and other ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES are great bedfellows.
So what if they have, for all intents and purposes provded a legal challenge to hardware/software hacks of their products? The kinds of hacks that are done to ReplayTV and similar devices are usually only those to allow the ILLEGAL RECEPTION of content that the end-customer hasn't PAID for (i.e. "Free" as in "Shoplifting" and "Theft"); but this seems to be nothing new to
Enjoy the ride!
ScottKin
Hmmmm....
Step 1 - get copy of sourcecode and all related libraries.
Step 2 - compile, link, create executable image.
Step 3 - Now I have a running version of the software that took some poor fool 6 months to develop.
OSS = GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE (free, as in Air)
HTML is an interpreted language because that's how Mr. Ted Berners-Lee spec'ed it - if you don't want people to see your coding cleverness, use ASP.
OSS is great for Academia, but is basically BAD (as in evil) for business.
ScottKin