You're right. In some cases that would work fine, but not all I guess.
Some times re-posts are good though, because I might miss them the first time =)
In fact that's the case almost every time somebody cries about an article already being posted.... I almost never remeber seeing an article being posted on the subject.. I guess some people remember pointless facts better than I do =)
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
I remember a slashdot article on this subject, but I think the other article was just talking about Damian Conway needing sponsors; this one is talking about him getting sponsors. (or what not)
The more I think about it the more I wonder. Is every slashdot editor supposed to read every slashdot article ever writen to figure out if something has been posted before or not? That's a lot of work.
I saw somebody complain because he was pretty sure that an article was already posted about 2 years ago.. Hmmm.. ok? Like who's going to remember that? Sheesh. -----------------------
Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
Until the point that something happens during your multiple installs w/ no reboots that causes everything to hose and you have to start all over again... Right?
I'm sure it happens.. That's what I was trying to avoid..
But in any case. That still doesn't stop NT from sucking. IMO -----------------------
Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
I know there are work arounds and way's to speed up the process, but no matter how I look at it being a Sys Admin for a lot of Windows NT/2k boxes still sucks. Heh:) -----------------------
Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
Use to, but thank god I will never have to do that again.
I can't really think of much that sucks more than installing and admining Windows NT on 50+ servers.
Specially when you have to install ~10 things that each require a reboot and the server takes a few mins to reboot because of how much ram it has.
Never again I tell ya.
Oh and installing updates off their website? woohoo another reboot (for each server!) bah! I guess it's good job security for anybody who likes being an admin though.
And you say they release hot fixes -all- the time? ugh!!
And don't get me started on having to format and start over because you messed up installing a product, or you installed the products out of order.. Jesus!!
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
I think you got part of that right..
But..
I think what Slashdot is saying is that RedHat can release a fix for critical bugs the second they are found where as Microsoft will make you wait 6+ months for a service pack that fixes a lot of bugs at once instead of releasing same-day fixes for critical bugs.. Oh and Microsoft likes to charge for their fixes some times:)
(On the other hand.. I have seen Microsoft release critical bug fixes pretty quick some times, but only if there is a lot of bad press about them..) -----------------------
Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
My comment isn't really based on what the article had to say (I dunno since I didn't read it.. I don't really care what it says)
I think if we keep the earth clean it will last us a long time, but eventually we will have to move.. It might take a few billion years but it'll happen.
I don't think we should move just because -we- are dirty.. Then we will just mess up the next place.. I think cleaning the earth is a pretty large task though.. And you can't force -everybody- to keep it clean (not with out the gov having too much control of our lives anyway) -----------------------
Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
What makes you think humans will have everything to do with the earth becoming more and more uninhabitable?
Of course we will have SOMETHING to do with it, but not everything.
Keeping earth clean from now until the next millennium (as far as human waste goes) will help buy us some time, but the end result will probably be the same, and I seriously doubt there is much we can do to about it. It's not like we can tell the sun to "please stop growing" or what not.. lol.
Besides we are talking about a millennium here. By then it might be pretty easy to colonize else where, and it never hurts to have other alternatives just to be safe =) -----------------------
Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
"This guy must have been an idiot though. How hard is it to leak some images and not leave a trail?"
I guess he probably didn't think they would be smart enough to find out he did it, so go through extra trouble to keep your self from being caught?
Or maybe apple has pretty tight security when it comes to confidential projects?
Anyway.. I can understand leaking some information, but there is a point that you just shouldn't go beyond. (ie: Doing something that could cost the company a few million/billion dollars and a years worth of work down the drain..?) -----------------------
Some of you people actually feel sorry for this guy? Like he did no wrong?
How many companies have you worked for where they actually -liked- it when you leaked confidential information? Seriously?!
It doesn't matter if -you- personally don't think it was that big of a deal. The only thing that matters is that it was confidential
information and the guy illegally leaked it to the public.
Anybody in any company would get fired and/or sued for this.
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3DFX Was just as bad about this kinda stuff back in the day's. How many people got lawsuits thrown that them for developing wrapers for glide or what not.
Not that it justifies Nvidia doing the same thing.. I just think it's funny how everybody here thinks 3DFX are saints or something.. Given the chance they would be just as bad or worse. -----------------------
What do you want? N-Cube 100% Open Source GPL Game Sytem with GPLed SDK, GDK. Using standard cd's since they are nice and easy to burn, so you can make your own stuff and sell games to your friends for $5?
Seriously? What does it matter if they use their own format to do things? You still have to go through Nintendo to make games for their system anyway. You think things will be any different if they use real DVD disks?
And do you honestly think Sega and Sony are any better about this? -----------------------
I think that if it takes more than a few mins for you to figure out the new GUI then either Netscape *really* messed up and they have a bunch of monkies writing the new GUI or uhmm... You have problems:) (Probably the earlier, but I hope neither)
I'm not all for a new GUI or anything.. I think if a new GUI takes an existing GUI and makes it better/easier etc then why not? But if it takes something simple and makes it too complex then it was a waste of time and people will just end up getting pissed.
Really though.. I think Netscape would have to screw up hard core to make a GUI that most people can't understand quickly or relate with etc.. I don't think they are that stupid..
I agree with you about everything you said but I think it's a pointless fight.. Unless NS does something like adds a paperclip to the GUI that Warns you of security risks every time you click a link.... Then you'll see me complain:) -----------------------
But what I'm thinking is that you can't always make "most" of the people happy.. If you did then Linux would have never came into existance would it?
It's not like most people (example: moms who are scared of computers?) will use Netscape any way right? I mean it doesn't come with the OS and IE does.. IE works fine so why bother? And if they are brave enough to get Netscape then they are brave enough to put up with skins or other features they aren't use too (ok so this isn't true in every case but you get my point)
(Of course if NS want's to get into the market of having their browser pre-installed on more machines then they need to learn how to target that set of customers etc.. Maybe a special skin for pre-installs? Who knows)
What res0 was saying leads me to believe that "skins" should not be a feature of netscape because if his mom some how accidently changes the skin she will be confused and not know what she is doing.. That's about stupid..
Oh and so what if Netscapes new gui isn't standard? What if the one they came up with is 10x better (once you're use to it) Should they avoid using it just because it will confuse NS4 and IE users at first? -----------------------
Maybe your mom shouldn't be using the computer
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Personally I would be pretty pissed if developers stop writing cool features such as skins into their apps just because a few moms are "scared"
I bet your mom would be scared to take a trip to the moon too maybe we should ditch NASA too. -----------------------
You're full of it if you think that portable digital audio players (that can play music you downloaded off the interet) just got invented in the past 3 years or so..
They could have been out for 10 years. Just because they got popular a year ago and you didn't hear about them until then doesn't mean they were invented a year ago.
You've been able to download music and burn it to cd's for a while now.. You think that's any different? It's not to somebody who doesn't know any better. -----------------------
I also think it is very ignorant to belive that a device like this didn't exist before 1995. Chances are one did exist but, nobody here knew about it or remembers it. Something like that probably wouldn't have been too popular back then.
Ah well.. I still see where you are coming from and I'm not about to argue:) -----------------------
If the audio player includes something like a little LCD game (like tetris?) it's no longer specialized for audio there for not affected by this patent?
"Advertisements create revenue for businesses..." blah blah blah
Yeah, it also tells them "Hey, advertisements work really really well!!" next thing you know cars will come with ads all over them when you buy them etc etc.. Woohoo that sure sounds fun doesn't it?
"This is no different from any piece of merchandise you purchase that has the logo of the company on it...."
The company's logo is bad enough much less everybody else's logo, and yes that IS a big difference regardless of what you think.
"One big happy family right?" no.
"Everyone's so concerned about the boot-up time wasted with advertisements. Get a grip. It's 5 extra seconds.........."
5 seconds is too much, I want my computer booted up 10 seconds ago. Faster is good, I won't except slower it's just not one of the things I look for in a computer when I go out and buy one, get it?
Mind if I re-direct all my spam to you? You seem to love it so much. You wouldn't mind would you? It's only what? 10-30 spam's a day? Nah no big deal.. Spam is good isn't it? bah.
Oops or was that the parents of victims that were suing. Ah well I didn't read the article. It's still stupid (as if you didn't already know that) -----------------------
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You're right. In some cases that would work fine, but not all I guess. Some times re-posts are good though, because I might miss them the first time =) In fact that's the case almost every time somebody cries about an article already being posted.... I almost never remeber seeing an article being posted on the subject.. I guess some people remember pointless facts better than I do =)
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
Paranoid? :)
I remember a slashdot article on this subject, but I think the other article was just talking about Damian Conway needing sponsors; this one is talking about him getting sponsors. (or what not)
The more I think about it the more I wonder. Is every slashdot editor supposed to read every slashdot article ever writen to figure out if something has been posted before or not? That's a lot of work.
I saw somebody complain because he was pretty sure that an article was already posted about 2 years ago.. Hmmm.. ok? Like who's going to remember that? Sheesh.
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
Until the point that something happens during your multiple installs w/ no reboots that causes everything to hose and you have to start all over again... Right?
I'm sure it happens.. That's what I was trying to avoid..
But in any case. That still doesn't stop NT from sucking. IMO
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
I just do it to be safe..
:)
I know there are work arounds and way's to speed up the process, but no matter how I look at it being a Sys Admin for a lot of Windows NT/2k boxes still sucks. Heh
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
Use to, but thank god I will never have to do that again.
I can't really think of much that sucks more than installing and admining Windows NT on 50+ servers.
Specially when you have to install ~10 things that each require a reboot and the server takes a few mins to reboot because of how much ram it has.
Never again I tell ya.
Oh and installing updates off their website? woohoo another reboot (for each server!) bah! I guess it's good job security for anybody who likes being an admin though.
And you say they release hot fixes -all- the time? ugh!!
And don't get me started on having to format and start over because you messed up installing a product, or you installed the products out of order.. Jesus!!
hahaha....
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
I think you got part of that right.. But.. I think what Slashdot is saying is that RedHat can release a fix for critical bugs the second they are found where as Microsoft will make you wait 6+ months for a service pack that fixes a lot of bugs at once instead of releasing same-day fixes for critical bugs.. Oh and Microsoft likes to charge for their fixes some times :)
(On the other hand.. I have seen Microsoft release critical bug fixes pretty quick some times, but only if there is a lot of bad press about them..)
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
My comment isn't really based on what the article had to say (I dunno since I didn't read it.. I don't really care what it says)
I think if we keep the earth clean it will last us a long time, but eventually we will have to move.. It might take a few billion years but it'll happen.
I don't think we should move just because -we- are dirty.. Then we will just mess up the next place.. I think cleaning the earth is a pretty large task though.. And you can't force -everybody- to keep it clean (not with out the gov having too much control of our lives anyway)
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
What makes you think humans will have everything to do with the earth becoming more and more uninhabitable? Of course we will have SOMETHING to do with it, but not everything. Keeping earth clean from now until the next millennium (as far as human waste goes) will help buy us some time, but the end result will probably be the same, and I seriously doubt there is much we can do to about it. It's not like we can tell the sun to "please stop growing" or what not.. lol. Besides we are talking about a millennium here. By then it might be pretty easy to colonize else where, and it never hurts to have other alternatives just to be safe =)
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Jeremy 'PeelBoy' Amberg
Just put some JavaScript on the main page that busts out of frames (if they exist)..
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lol you know what I mean..
"This guy must have been an idiot though. How hard is it to leak some images and not leave a trail?"
I guess he probably didn't think they would be smart enough to find out he did it, so go through extra trouble to keep your self from being caught?
Or maybe apple has pretty tight security when it comes to confidential projects?
Anyway.. I can understand leaking some information, but there is a point that you just shouldn't go beyond. (ie: Doing something that could cost the company a few million/billion dollars and a years worth of work down the drain..?)
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Some of you people actually feel sorry for this guy? Like he did no wrong? How many companies have you worked for where they actually -liked- it when you leaked confidential information? Seriously?! It doesn't matter if -you- personally don't think it was that big of a deal. The only thing that matters is that it was confidential information and the guy illegally leaked it to the public. Anybody in any company would get fired and/or sued for this. End of story.
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You forgot the part where he gave the reporter pictures...
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3DFX Was just as bad about this kinda stuff back in the day's. How many people got lawsuits thrown that them for developing wrapers for glide or what not.
Not that it justifies Nvidia doing the same thing.. I just think it's funny how everybody here thinks 3DFX are saints or something.. Given the chance they would be just as bad or worse.
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And you obviously have no clue do you.
What do you want? N-Cube 100% Open Source GPL Game Sytem with GPLed SDK, GDK. Using standard cd's since they are nice and easy to burn, so you can make your own stuff and sell games to your friends for $5?
Seriously? What does it matter if they use their own format to do things? You still have to go through Nintendo to make games for their system anyway. You think things will be any different if they use real DVD disks?
And do you honestly think Sega and Sony are any better about this?
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I think that if it takes more than a few mins for you to figure out the new GUI then either Netscape *really* messed up and they have a bunch of monkies writing the new GUI or uhmm... You have problems :) (Probably the earlier, but I hope neither)
:)
I'm not all for a new GUI or anything.. I think if a new GUI takes an existing GUI and makes it better/easier etc then why not? But if it takes something simple and makes it too complex then it was a waste of time and people will just end up getting pissed.
Really though.. I think Netscape would have to screw up hard core to make a GUI that most people can't understand quickly or relate with etc.. I don't think they are that stupid..
I agree with you about everything you said but I think it's a pointless fight.. Unless NS does something like adds a paperclip to the GUI that Warns you of security risks every time you click a link.... Then you'll see me complain
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But what I'm thinking is that you can't always make "most" of the people happy.. If you did then Linux would have never came into existance would it?
It's not like most people (example: moms who are scared of computers?) will use Netscape any way right? I mean it doesn't come with the OS and IE does.. IE works fine so why bother? And if they are brave enough to get Netscape then they are brave enough to put up with skins or other features they aren't use too (ok so this isn't true in every case but you get my point)
(Of course if NS want's to get into the market of having their browser pre-installed on more machines then they need to learn how to target that set of customers etc.. Maybe a special skin for pre-installs? Who knows)
What res0 was saying leads me to believe that "skins" should not be a feature of netscape because if his mom some how accidently changes the skin she will be confused and not know what she is doing.. That's about stupid..
Oh and so what if Netscapes new gui isn't standard? What if the one they came up with is 10x better (once you're use to it) Should they avoid using it just because it will confuse NS4 and IE users at first?
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then...
Personally I would be pretty pissed if developers stop writing cool features such as skins into their apps just because a few moms are "scared"
I bet your mom would be scared to take a trip to the moon too maybe we should ditch NASA too.
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You're full of it if you think that portable digital audio players (that can play music you downloaded off the interet) just got invented in the past 3 years or so..
They could have been out for 10 years. Just because they got popular a year ago and you didn't hear about them until then doesn't mean they were invented a year ago.
You've been able to download music and burn it to cd's for a while now.. You think that's any different? It's not to somebody who doesn't know any better.
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I get your point. I was just joking around :)
:)
I also think it is very ignorant to belive that a device like this didn't exist before 1995. Chances are one did exist but, nobody here knew about it or remembers it. Something like that probably wouldn't have been too popular back then.
Ah well.. I still see where you are coming from and I'm not about to argue
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If the audio player includes something like a little LCD game (like tetris?) it's no longer specialized for audio there for not affected by this patent?
:)
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That's like me getting a patent on anything built with wood, or anything you can sit on. All those makers of wood chairs owe me big time!
Get real.
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Think about it. One of them has to come first. Who's blowing the debate out of proportion again? Him or you?
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"Advertisements create revenue for businesses..." blah blah blah
Yeah, it also tells them "Hey, advertisements work really really well!!" next thing you know cars will come with ads all over them when you buy them etc etc.. Woohoo that sure sounds fun doesn't it?
"This is no different from any piece of merchandise you purchase that has the logo of the company on it...."
The company's logo is bad enough much less everybody else's logo, and yes that IS a big difference regardless of what you think.
"One big happy family right?" no.
"Everyone's so concerned about the boot-up time wasted with advertisements. Get a grip. It's 5 extra seconds.........."
5 seconds is too much, I want my computer booted up 10 seconds ago. Faster is good, I won't except slower it's just not one of the things I look for in a computer when I go out and buy one, get it?
Mind if I re-direct all my spam to you? You seem to love it so much. You wouldn't mind would you? It's only what? 10-30 spam's a day? Nah no big deal.. Spam is good isn't it? bah.
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Oops or was that the parents of victims that were suing. Ah well I didn't read the article. It's still stupid (as if you didn't already know that)
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Makes me wonder if his parents put him up to this just so they could get some $$.
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