So go buy you a damn Wii (I know it's possible. I got one. My cousin recently got one) and sell it to some fools on craigs list why don't you? Then you'll easily be able to get 2 for cheaper than 1 360.
How do you protect your self from muggers walking back from the store?
All of that ended as soon as the PS3 and 360 became easier to find. Hah. Got you with your own argument:P
How do you protect your self from fraud when purchasing it online? How do you protect your self from muggers when you buy from craigs list?
It's funny when you think about it. Microsoft made their billions by selling computer software to millions of non-computer users.
How many grandmothers were surfing the web and sending email before Microsoft came along?
And they can't seem comprehend how to make money off these exact same people by selling them entertainment in the form of games and other such interactive software?
What the hell?
If Microsoft had to start over in the OS business with what they know now... Would they build a Unix based OS for hardcore computer geeks instead?
He talks about the 259,000 as if it's not much but what about the fact that the 360 only sold 200,000?
Oh but the 360 usually does better?
Oh but so does the Wii.
Then he talks about Nintendo artificially and intentionally short-supplying the Wii for PR purposes.
Riighht.
I guess it seems obvious that they are doing exactly that when you only look at the numbers of units sold in America.
If they were only selling a few thousand units a month more than the 360 then I guess it WOULD be in their advantage to create a short supply and use that for a PR advantage.
But that's not the case at all.
In Japan the Wii sold over 300,000 units during the same month. The 360 just barely made the 17,000 mark. Hmmm? Taking that into consideration the Wii easily sold twice as many units as the 360 during that month (with 100,000 to spare).
The Wii is selling quite well in other regions also (although the 360 is also, but it's still not selling nearly as well over all).
Then there are life time sales. Even in the US the 360 isn't exactly spanking the Wii. The Wii is getting awfully damn close to 50% of the 360's life time sales and that is in a very short amount of time and without the 2nd generation games to help push it along.. Hmmm?
World Wide sales make it look even more pathetic for the 360.
Exactly how many 360's and PS3's sold in Japan again? Go on.. Tell me.. I dare you.
Exactly how well did the 360 sell during its first few months and how quick did it get into other regions other than America and Japan?
I don't remember it doing so hot in the first 2 or 3 months and didn't have nearly the world wide impact that the Wii is having.
Also the PS3 is just now getting around to selling in Europe and regions other than the US and Japan.
The Wii launched in those regions MUCH quicker than the PS3 and has been selling quite well there too.
Sure you can point out the Wii didn't sell that hot in one region for one month but that sure is a narrow minded point of view. Try looking at the big picture.
The 360's been out for what.. 18 months? It's sold about 9 million? The Wii has sold about 6 million in already.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Oh and sure.. The Wii's software isn't selling so hot yet. It's still early. The 360 didn't sell games so hot at first either. How long did it take the 360 to get it's first million seller or two? The Wii's has had 2 in Japan alone for a few weeks.
But yeah you guys are right.. I suppose it's not doing so well in the software category when compared to a system that is WELL INTO its 2nd generation of games and has been out 3 times longer.
(don't get me wrong I am not a fan of Sony but I do like the 360. These arguments are just crap that's all).
No it's still not valid. All that proves is that if you're smart you'll go buy a Wii for $250 (with a little work and effort it can be done) and then turn around and sell it for $300+
Do that a few times and you'll be able to get 2 Wii's for MUCH cheaper than a 360 or PS3.
How much was a 360 purchased from a scalper? Not exactly a fair comparison. No it's not easy to get a Wii but with a little work it is possible. Call around and find out when your local stores get one. Find out when they open. Wake up super early and go get your self one. It can be done.
One thing I'm glad about is that you didn't try to force the "360 for $300" argument. All the $300 360 does is play DVD movies basically:P
But you're right compared to the $400 360 you can't get 2 Wii's for that much.
Plus the complaints should be compared to discs sold not shipped. What if they shipped 500,000 but only sold 5,000. less than one thousandth of one percent just got much bigger.
True. Don't forget games like Cooking Mama and also Square-Enix is making a Yoga game (a learning tool or something I suppose?) for the DS among other non-games which could easily make its way to the Wii. Also I wouldn't count out the internet channel for surfing the web. It sounded stupid to me at first but I've actually used it quite a bit when I didn't feel like getting up and going to another room to use my computer when I could simply do it from where I was and then continue on with what I was doing and at my parents house we have used it to talk about some topics or look up stuff like sports scores or what not (and yeah... my 55 year old dad who has never really been a gamer freaking has a Wii.. well it was my little brothers but he pretty much gave it to them).
Anyway.. back on topic.. if Nintendo comes out with a tool to learn Japanese similar to their English Training (I think they might have already? but not in the US) I will be all over it.
I don't know.. Anybody who can't see all of the interest from companies (AND consumers) wanting to take advantage of this... has to be blind and deaf.
Weird I thought Tiger woods was going to sell my dad too but it turns out Zelda is what did it. I can't believe he got into a game that big and complex (not that I consider it complex or anything but my dad is well into his 50's and hasn't played any real games since he owned an Atari and Coleco which he mainly used for programming.) and he did it without any real push. I mean... My bro left the system there (he plays WOW and could really care less I guess).. My dad set it up and instead of putting in Wii Sports he goes for Zelda and as of this weekend has put well over 40 hours into it. A few months ago I couldn't have PAID him to turn off sports or one of his netflix movies to see how bad ass the 360 would look on his TV.... and now he's playing Zelda every day on his own. Freaking weird.
He did go get Tiger Woods but he told me that it is too annoying. He doesn't like the announcers and listed off a bunch of other things he didn't like.
For sure. It'll take time but they'll catch up eventually. Factories have to be built and other suppliers have to step it up too. What people need to remember is that the Wii is selling well just about everywhere not just in the US. It's selling quite well in Japan (~60k/week give or take. I think it's still selling out) and most other regions too.
It's not easy to pull off a launch in as many regions as they did in such a short amount of time and still be able to meet the unexpected high demands.
The 360 struggled to do it too and it wasn't selling nearly as well across the board as the Wii is (especially when you consider sales in Japan).
As for the PS3.. Even with the lack of sales I doubt it could have kept up with demand had it launched in other regions sooner. Sony's just now getting around to launching it in Europe, Australia, etc.
Headlines were never meant to be accurate. They're nothing more than hooks to draw you into the article.
Those of us who care about Nintendos strategy to widen the gaming market understood what the headline meant and that was enough to make us read further.
You might or might not care but you showed up anyway.
Doesn't sound like he has an HD TV anyway so I don't see why it matters?
If he plans on upgrading his TV then his problem with only having 1 S-Video port is magically solved and I'm guess he'll have to clean up all that clutter too in the process.
There isn't anything to mess with or deal with once you have it setup. The Wii is pretty small. I'm willing to bet good money that you could get a Wii and a small DVD player that would take up less space combined and cost less than a 360 or PS3 (keeping in mind that the base 360 is worthless without spending at least another $40-$100+ for a save cart or HD and another $60 if you want a game unless you plan on only using Xbox Live Arcade games in which case you'll probably want/need the HD)
Well if he's not into games why bother getting a game console in the first place? More so if he's not a gamer right now why buy an Xbox 360 which is more or less targeted to hardcore gamers not non-gamers or casual gamers? If he's a casual gamer why not just use the PC? Or how about buying a DVD player that has it's own auxiliary ports that he could plug the Wii into? That would solve all of his problems and probably still be cheaper than buying a 360 or PS3 (not that I have anything against those systems.. I do love the 360.. It just seems like an expensive pointless toy for somebody who isn't a gamer).
In other words thing about it like this. What is faith and why is it so important to a lot of religious people?
Most religious people I have talked to have told me I just need to have faith. The ones who don't try to explain things away like I described usually answer everything by just telling me I need to have faith.
It seems to me that a lot of religious people don't want to try to question anything they just want to accept what they think and have faith.
Give me a break. I give a shit less what media has to say on the subject.
What he said is exactly in line with my personal experience talking to any and every religious person I have ever had this debate with including friends, my parents, my friends parents, people at work, people in religious irc chat rooms. This isn't a small number of people I have actually debated religion with a fair amount of people (I use to get a kick out of debating this when I was younger.. I don't anymore.. People are free to believe what ever they want to believe and what ever it takes to get them through life is fine with me. It's whatever). No I don't think they represent all religious people. Not even close. But in my personal opinion I do think people who do this are in the majority. People like you are few and far between my friend at least in my personal experience. And I wouldn't call the others nut-casses they just don't have any other way to deal with something they can't explain so they explain it away.
[quote]Eternity is a very long time, especially towards the end[/quote]
What the fuck? There is no time as far as eternity is concerned.
I suppose it never hurts to throw out new ideas and we'll learn something by trying to prove the idea perhaps but more likely by disproving it if we're ever able to do either and I really don't see how this idea adds anything to the mix.
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So go buy you a damn Wii (I know it's possible. I got one. My cousin recently got one) and sell it to some fools on craigs list why don't you? Then you'll easily be able to get 2 for cheaper than 1 360.
:P
How do you protect your self from muggers walking back from the store?
All of that ended as soon as the PS3 and 360 became easier to find. Hah. Got you with your own argument
How do you protect your self from fraud when purchasing it online? How do you protect your self from muggers when you buy from craigs list?
Sheesh.
It's funny when you think about it. Microsoft made their billions by selling computer software to millions of non-computer users.
How many grandmothers were surfing the web and sending email before Microsoft came along?
And they can't seem comprehend how to make money off these exact same people by selling them entertainment in the form of games and other such interactive software?
What the hell?
If Microsoft had to start over in the OS business with what they know now... Would they build a Unix based OS for hardcore computer geeks instead?
He talks about the 259,000 as if it's not much but what about the fact that the 360 only sold 200,000?
Oh but the 360 usually does better?
Oh but so does the Wii.
Then he talks about Nintendo artificially and intentionally short-supplying the Wii for PR purposes.
Riighht.
I guess it seems obvious that they are doing exactly that when you only look at the numbers of units sold in America.
If they were only selling a few thousand units a month more than the 360 then I guess it WOULD be in their advantage to create a short supply and use that for a PR advantage.
But that's not the case at all.
In Japan the Wii sold over 300,000 units during the same month. The 360 just barely made the 17,000 mark. Hmmm? Taking that into consideration the Wii easily sold twice as many units as the 360 during that month (with 100,000 to spare).
The Wii is selling quite well in other regions also (although the 360 is also, but it's still not selling nearly as well over all).
Then there are life time sales. Even in the US the 360 isn't exactly spanking the Wii. The Wii is getting awfully damn close to 50% of the 360's life time sales and that is in a very short amount of time and without the 2nd generation games to help push it along.. Hmmm?
World Wide sales make it look even more pathetic for the 360.
That's 259,000 sold in AMERICA ALONE.
Exactly how many 360's and PS3's sold in Japan again? Go on.. Tell me.. I dare you.
Exactly how well did the 360 sell during its first few months and how quick did it get into other regions other than America and Japan?
I don't remember it doing so hot in the first 2 or 3 months and didn't have nearly the world wide impact that the Wii is having.
Also the PS3 is just now getting around to selling in Europe and regions other than the US and Japan.
The Wii launched in those regions MUCH quicker than the PS3 and has been selling quite well there too.
Sure you can point out the Wii didn't sell that hot in one region for one month but that sure is a narrow minded point of view. Try looking at the big picture.
The 360's been out for what.. 18 months? It's sold about 9 million? The Wii has sold about 6 million in already.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Oh and sure.. The Wii's software isn't selling so hot yet. It's still early. The 360 didn't sell games so hot at first either. How long did it take the 360 to get it's first million seller or two? The Wii's has had 2 in Japan alone for a few weeks.
But yeah you guys are right.. I suppose it's not doing so well in the software category when compared to a system that is WELL INTO its 2nd generation of games and has been out 3 times longer.
(don't get me wrong I am not a fan of Sony but I do like the 360. These arguments are just crap that's all).
No it's still not valid. All that proves is that if you're smart you'll go buy a Wii for $250 (with a little work and effort it can be done) and then turn around and sell it for $300+
Do that a few times and you'll be able to get 2 Wii's for MUCH cheaper than a 360 or PS3.
How much was a 360 purchased from a scalper? Not exactly a fair comparison. No it's not easy to get a Wii but with a little work it is possible. Call around and find out when your local stores get one. Find out when they open. Wake up super early and go get your self one. It can be done.
:P
One thing I'm glad about is that you didn't try to force the "360 for $300" argument. All the $300 360 does is play DVD movies basically
But you're right compared to the $400 360 you can't get 2 Wii's for that much.
Plus the complaints should be compared to discs sold not shipped. What if they shipped 500,000 but only sold 5,000. less than one thousandth of one percent just got much bigger.
True. Don't forget games like Cooking Mama and also Square-Enix is making a Yoga game (a learning tool or something I suppose?) for the DS among other non-games which could easily make its way to the Wii. Also I wouldn't count out the internet channel for surfing the web. It sounded stupid to me at first but I've actually used it quite a bit when I didn't feel like getting up and going to another room to use my computer when I could simply do it from where I was and then continue on with what I was doing and at my parents house we have used it to talk about some topics or look up stuff like sports scores or what not (and yeah... my 55 year old dad who has never really been a gamer freaking has a Wii.. well it was my little brothers but he pretty much gave it to them).
Anyway.. back on topic.. if Nintendo comes out with a tool to learn Japanese similar to their English Training (I think they might have already? but not in the US) I will be all over it.
I don't know.. Anybody who can't see all of the interest from companies (AND consumers) wanting to take advantage of this... has to be blind and deaf.
Remake was probably not a good choice of words. It's a new NiGHTS game I can tell you that much.
Weird I thought Tiger woods was going to sell my dad too but it turns out Zelda is what did it. I can't believe he got into a game that big and complex (not that I consider it complex or anything but my dad is well into his 50's and hasn't played any real games since he owned an Atari and Coleco which he mainly used for programming.) and he did it without any real push. I mean... My bro left the system there (he plays WOW and could really care less I guess).. My dad set it up and instead of putting in Wii Sports he goes for Zelda and as of this weekend has put well over 40 hours into it. A few months ago I couldn't have PAID him to turn off sports or one of his netflix movies to see how bad ass the 360 would look on his TV.... and now he's playing Zelda every day on his own. Freaking weird.
He did go get Tiger Woods but he told me that it is too annoying. He doesn't like the announcers and listed off a bunch of other things he didn't like.
Eh it's a first generation game..
For sure. It'll take time but they'll catch up eventually. Factories have to be built and other suppliers have to step it up too. What people need to remember is that the Wii is selling well just about everywhere not just in the US. It's selling quite well in Japan (~60k/week give or take. I think it's still selling out) and most other regions too.
It's not easy to pull off a launch in as many regions as they did in such a short amount of time and still be able to meet the unexpected high demands.
The 360 struggled to do it too and it wasn't selling nearly as well across the board as the Wii is (especially when you consider sales in Japan).
As for the PS3.. Even with the lack of sales I doubt it could have kept up with demand had it launched in other regions sooner. Sony's just now getting around to launching it in Europe, Australia, etc.
If they do it won't be because the wrist strap broke it'll be because their entire arm became detached.
oh man that's a disaster waiting to happen. I hope they don't try to sit down.
Headlines were never meant to be accurate. They're nothing more than hooks to draw you into the article.
Those of us who care about Nintendos strategy to widen the gaming market understood what the headline meant and that was enough to make us read further.
You might or might not care but you showed up anyway.
How is the headline not doing it's job?
Doesn't sound like he has an HD TV anyway so I don't see why it matters?
If he plans on upgrading his TV then his problem with only having 1 S-Video port is magically solved and I'm guess he'll have to clean up all that clutter too in the process.
There isn't anything to mess with or deal with once you have it setup. The Wii is pretty small. I'm willing to bet good money that you could get a Wii and a small DVD player that would take up less space combined and cost less than a 360 or PS3 (keeping in mind that the base 360 is worthless without spending at least another $40-$100+ for a save cart or HD and another $60 if you want a game unless you plan on only using Xbox Live Arcade games in which case you'll probably want/need the HD)
Well if he's not into games why bother getting a game console in the first place? More so if he's not a gamer right now why buy an Xbox 360 which is more or less targeted to hardcore gamers not non-gamers or casual gamers? If he's a casual gamer why not just use the PC? Or how about buying a DVD player that has it's own auxiliary ports that he could plug the Wii into? That would solve all of his problems and probably still be cheaper than buying a 360 or PS3 (not that I have anything against those systems.. I do love the 360.. It just seems like an expensive pointless toy for somebody who isn't a gamer).
She's probably a robot spider too for all we know. Maybe it should try to pass its self off as disabled just in case somebody tries to counter sue.
Looks like a virus to me. You just had to copy and paste it here, didn't you? Thanks now we're all screwed.
OK What?
In other words thing about it like this. What is faith and why is it so important to a lot of religious people?
Most religious people I have talked to have told me I just need to have faith. The ones who don't try to explain things away like I described usually answer everything by just telling me I need to have faith.
It seems to me that a lot of religious people don't want to try to question anything they just want to accept what they think and have faith.
Give me a break. I give a shit less what media has to say on the subject.
What he said is exactly in line with my personal experience talking to any and every religious person I have ever had this debate with including friends, my parents, my friends parents, people at work, people in religious irc chat rooms. This isn't a small number of people I have actually debated religion with a fair amount of people (I use to get a kick out of debating this when I was younger.. I don't anymore.. People are free to believe what ever they want to believe and what ever it takes to get them through life is fine with me. It's whatever). No I don't think they represent all religious people. Not even close. But in my personal opinion I do think people who do this are in the majority. People like you are few and far between my friend at least in my personal experience. And I wouldn't call the others nut-casses they just don't have any other way to deal with something they can't explain so they explain it away.
I mean seriously...
[quote]Eternity is a very long time, especially towards the end[/quote]
What the fuck? There is no time as far as eternity is concerned.
I suppose it never hurts to throw out new ideas and we'll learn something by trying to prove the idea perhaps but more likely by disproving it if we're ever able to do either and I really don't see how this idea adds anything to the mix.
This guy just needs to give it up. I deserve to be modded down for saying that but I just find him harder and harder to take serious lately.
I was gonna mod you both troll but I already typed this out and clicked submit so I can't now.