- the stores send 'returned' items back to the manufacturers (who test things thoroughly before selling them to OEMs or just trashing them. some unscrupulous OEMs like Acer sell pre-used hardware as new, but that is a separate issue.)
- O/C rarely permanently damages a CPU, it would require a high level of stupidity to achieve this. and if it was damaged, it would show up right away, regardless.
- the clock speed/multiplier is, of course, stored on the motherboard, not the CPU. so, they're not going to return it when it stops working at 9999999 GHz, they'll just set the clock back and all will be well (i know, i ran my 366 at 800 for a lark, and well,.. it didn't work too good, clem.) if they are dumb enough to return it at this point, that's fine, you'll buy it at a discounted price for being pre-owned/returned and have a perfectly working CPU.
i worked at best buy, as a technician, for a year, and i have a lot of experience with local 'mom & pop' (so to speak) computer retailers as well.
they are not going to bother testing every cpu that comes back.
also, much fewer people O/C than you'd think, looking at the gazillions of sites and articles devoted to it.
so, basically, this is not something worth worrying about (besides which you can return it too, no store will ever refuse to accept your return if you keep the receipt,.. just keep insisiting. believe me, they will cave in.) ...dave
i asked a similar question (currently it is below this post), but not exactly the same,..
you can't say 'RAM is the bottleneck, period.' obviously, certain things are going to want more RAM than you have, other things are dying for clock cycles, and most things (that i run into) want your HDD to be faster.
i have 256 megs of RAM now and rarely have to make use of virtual memory. with DIMMs so cheap there's really no reason not to have it. ...dave
with all this overclocking of chips that are starting life at 600-750 MHz,.. i wonder what kind of benefits people are getting?
i'm still running a 366 Celeron (overclocked to 453 MHz thanks to my wonderful ABit board:), and really, it runs Unreal Tourney, of course Diablo 2 (which could run on a TI-86:P), and anything else i've played with just dandy. when i was hitting some slowdown in UT i went up to 256 megs of RAM and all has improved.
i spend most of my time waiting for the HDD to serve up data for the CPU to play with.
so i wonder, how much would going to a 750 MHz machine really help? what kind of applications are you guys seeing this really make a difference in (and does then overclocking to 800-900 MHz make much difference? i honestly gained about 1-5 fps in UT and no noticable difference at all in anything else going from 366 to 453.)
and again, this is not REALLY offtopic so don't even think about moderating it down! this is a GOOD POST!:) ...dave
then why not drop it? :)
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I honestly don't think starting a flame war between kuro5hin and slashdot is ever going to be productive.
(see subj),.. rather than adding fuel to the fire?
>own linux machines and being a unix admin, does not prove >you to be someone of great intellectual prowess. these are >things which 13 and 14 year olds do regularly:)
Presumably, this statement applies to you, as well?
in what respect? no it would not prove me to be intelligent, but no i am not 13 or 14 years old either.
i know i'm the king of misunderstood posts, but c'mon, you could have been more clear than that, even if you were trying to be snide and condescending. ...dave
last season started out strong, and i think the best episode was the COPS crossover/parody. the other ones bordering on self-parody were also fun, unlike the dream-sequence, ghost-children b.s.
but keep in mind, there's only so much an actor can do, central to the x-files' problem (and of course, the solution) is the writing.
let's keep our finger's crossed and hope next season is better than most of the last one. ...dave
that's my intention, you should try it... the moderators don't mind if you're pompous, just don't be rude... so, this is a good way of venting frustration, make other people frustrated at how egotistcal you are/seem.
i can do the 'humble guy' act like Woz if i want to... and yes, i am sorry i am not a believer in Saint Woz,.. i think he's probably a nice guy and he is definitely brilliant, but i don't buy into the humility. it seems forced almost at times. ...dave
own linux machines and being a unix admin, does not prove you to be someone of great intellectual prowess. these are things which 13 and 14 year olds do regularly:)
i'm afraid there's probably nothing you can do to convince me, and nothing i can do to convince you, which is why i had intended to avoid the subject, but i thought your post was sufficiently interesting to respond. ...dave
and if you want to waste money buying a Mac just to surf the web, fine go right ahead. that's just dandy. but that's evidence to me you're a little soft upstairs,.. browsing the web is 'better' on a Mac? hrmm,.. ookay, if you say so.
i've done it, and really, it feels no different other than i have to go to another computer if i want to do something fun/interesting.
i have a brain, thanks, no room for another:) ...dave
oh yes, because OS X is Manna from heaven!
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give me a break:) it's cute, it's purdy, but it's still on a Mac, and it's lacking. sorry, i am not going to get into a religious war of Mac vs. machine-i-build-myself, because i've never met anyone who takes the Mac side who is educated at all about the subject, they're usually just zealots.. ...dave
my fruitloop ex had a mac,..
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i educated her, now she uses linux as much as possible, and windows otherwise... too bad she went insane.:P i don't know anyone personally who prefers macs over Linux. everyone i've met who does, converts after enough discussion. i've been told i'm persuasive:P ...dave
either you are very ignorant or good at getting people to flame you:) either way, funny...
i'm developing the next-gen apple GUI,.. there will be a big red button at the top of your monitor, heavily padded... things on the screen will highlight, one at a time, the selection will change every couple seconds,.. when the thing you want is highlighted, you smack your head against the red button.
i said nothing of the sort,.. if you're not bright enough to understand my two-line post i feel sorry for whatever institution you bother to inflict your lack of usefulness on:) ...dave
i worked at best buy a few years ago for a while (as a technician, whoo-hoo $7.20/hr!) and this practice is very common and not at all looked down upon. it's also common to grab the other stores' weekly magazine ads (mini-catalogues almost, you know the ones) and adjust the prices for the week to match (if needed)..
this is completely ridiculous and should be shot down, it's another example of would-be monopolists trying to manipulate the law to insure they have no competition.
to the person who said 'allow e-bay to win, the smarter companies will be open,' this is possible, but look how long it is taking for linux to surplant M$,.. well-known, familiar brands, products, services stick around because most people don't want to do spend the effort to investigate something new, and they feel safe with what they know (even if they are shown/told how evil and bad it is.)
that's all equivallent to throwing it on a bonfire, in my mind. it's totally useless pursuits of fame.
i've thought the richard branson thing was fairly pathetic, really. rich, bored, old man throws money away on an imbecilic, life-risking, waste of time, energy and money, when he could donate all that cash towards helping victims of corporate politics;) (or some real charity, anyway.)
when people say SUVs are safer, period, that irks me, because for the most part, there isn't a difference, only if you're colliding into a smaller car. people have the impression they are invincible within one, and they have a good chance of just walking away from any collisoin, where they would die in a Civic..
and that's what i was trying to correct, that's only true if you're going to go ramming into Civics:P ...dave
as soon as i have $5-10 million i'm retiring, permanently. no more devoting my time to anything i don't want to do.
anyone who goes after more than that is basically just being greedy,.. with that kind of money you can live your life and do pretty much anything you want, with no problems. nobody needs a billion dollars, and if i somehow had it, i'd give almost all of it away (again, only keep a bit.)
and don't bother telling me it's only a matter of perspective, i'm well aware:) some people could get by with less than what i want, but,... seriously, if you think about it, how can you possibly spend $10 or even $1 billion? it's just ridiculous... ...dave
of no one willing to take the first step for selfish reasons.
safety issues really are a very minor concern to me, i'm going to die some day whether i like it or not,.. i'm not too concerned about a tiny, tiny, miniscule bit of a fraction of a statistical percentile chance of survival.
what i care about is the fact that those beasts handle like crap, guzzle gas, and are ugly as all get-out. those things are my reasons for not wanting one for myself.
other people having them wouldn't bug me (and didn't bug me when this was true) if fewer people had them. as it is, i can't see traffic lights, i can't see around corners, etc. etc.
it's much scary when Rick the Excursion driver who thinks (wishes) he ha(s/d) a porsche comes up behind me doing 95 on the freeway (and i know it's a cop zone so i am going 70, otherwise, it wouldn't be such a speed difference.) this is less frightening when someone is in a smaller (more nimble) car.
anyway, we could go in circles all day, neither of us is going to change our opinion. ...dave
well since they have a grand total of 80 horsepower (and weigh in excess of 2 tons), 'high speed' is not really an option (at least, not in a stock hummer.)
i'm not putting down hummers, mind you, they are amazing vehicles for their intended purpose.. they put out 800 ft/lbs. of torque. but, most people seem to think they are some kind of uber-car, and they aren't:) ...dave
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- the stores send 'returned' items back to the manufacturers (who test things thoroughly before selling them to OEMs or just trashing them. some unscrupulous OEMs like Acer sell pre-used hardware as new, but that is a separate issue.)
- O/C rarely permanently damages a CPU, it would require a high level of stupidity to achieve this. and if it was damaged, it would show up right away, regardless.
- the clock speed/multiplier is, of course, stored on the motherboard, not the CPU. so, they're not going to return it when it stops working at 9999999 GHz, they'll just set the clock back and all will be well (i know, i ran my 366 at 800 for a lark, and well,.. it didn't work too good, clem.) if they are dumb enough to return it at this point, that's fine, you'll buy it at a discounted price for being pre-owned/returned and have a perfectly working CPU.
thanks
...dave
at least, not more than 0.00001% of the time.
i worked at best buy, as a technician, for a year, and i have a lot of experience with local 'mom & pop' (so to speak) computer retailers as well.
they are not going to bother testing every cpu that comes back.
also, much fewer people O/C than you'd think, looking at the gazillions of sites and articles devoted to it.
so, basically, this is not something worth worrying about (besides which you can return it too, no store will ever refuse to accept your return if you keep the receipt,.. just keep insisiting. believe me, they will cave in.)
...dave
i asked a similar question (currently it is below this post), but not exactly the same,..
you can't say 'RAM is the bottleneck, period.' obviously, certain things are going to want more RAM than you have, other things are dying for clock cycles, and most things (that i run into) want your HDD to be faster.
i have 256 megs of RAM now and rarely have to make use of virtual memory. with DIMMs so cheap there's really no reason not to have it.
...dave
with all this overclocking of chips that are starting life at 600-750 MHz,.. i wonder what kind of benefits people are getting?
i'm still running a 366 Celeron (overclocked to 453 MHz thanks to my wonderful ABit board
i spend most of my time waiting for the HDD to serve up data for the CPU to play with.
so i wonder, how much would going to a 750 MHz machine really help? what kind of applications are you guys seeing this really make a difference in (and does then overclocking to 800-900 MHz make much difference? i honestly gained about 1-5 fps in UT and no noticable difference at all in anything else going from 366 to 453.)
and again, this is not REALLY offtopic so don't even think about moderating it down! this is a GOOD POST!
...dave
I honestly don't think starting a flame war between kuro5hin and slashdot is ever going to be productive.
(see subj),.. rather than adding fuel to the fire?
hmm,..
...dave
>own linux machines and being a unix admin, does not prove
>you to be someone of great intellectual prowess. these are
>things which 13 and 14 year olds do regularly
Presumably, this statement applies to you, as well?
in what respect? no it would not prove me to be intelligent, but no i am not 13 or 14 years old either.
i know i'm the king of misunderstood posts, but c'mon, you could have been more clear than that, even if you were trying to be snide and condescending.
...dave
he bleeds to death, after his err,... pelvic area explodes from the world-record worst case of blue-balls ever.
ouch.
...dave
last season started out strong, and i think the best episode was the COPS crossover/parody. the other ones bordering on self-parody were also fun, unlike the dream-sequence, ghost-children b.s.
but keep in mind, there's only so much an actor can do, central to the x-files' problem (and of course, the solution) is the writing.
let's keep our finger's crossed and hope next season is better than most of the last one.
...dave
that's the attitude
...dave
that's my intention, you should try it... the moderators don't mind if you're pompous, just don't be rude... so, this is a good way of venting frustration, make other people frustrated at how egotistcal you are/seem.
i can do the 'humble guy' act like Woz if i want to... and yes, i am sorry i am not a believer in Saint Woz,.. i think he's probably a nice guy and he is definitely brilliant, but i don't buy into the humility. it seems forced almost at times.
...dave
own linux machines and being a unix admin, does not prove you to be someone of great intellectual prowess. these are things which 13 and 14 year olds do regularly
i'm afraid there's probably nothing you can do to convince me, and nothing i can do to convince you, which is why i had intended to avoid the subject, but i thought your post was sufficiently interesting to respond.
...dave
and if you want to waste money buying a Mac just to surf the web, fine go right ahead. that's just dandy. but that's evidence to me you're a little soft upstairs,.. browsing the web is 'better' on a Mac? hrmm,.. ookay, if you say so.
i've done it, and really, it feels no different other than i have to go to another computer if i want to do something fun/interesting.
i have a brain, thanks, no room for another
...dave
give me a break
...dave
i educated her, now she uses linux as much as possible, and windows otherwise... too bad she went insane.
...dave
either you are very ignorant or good at getting people to flame you
i'm developing the next-gen apple GUI,.. there will be a big red button at the top of your monitor, heavily padded... things on the screen will highlight, one at a time, the selection will change every couple seconds,.. when the thing you want is highlighted, you smack your head against the red button.
it'll be a hit.
...dave
j00 d0n'7 sp3@k v3ry g00d 3ngl15h!!!!!
i said nothing of the sort,.. if you're not bright enough to understand my two-line post i feel sorry for whatever institution you bother to inflict your lack of usefulness on
...dave
'feeding the trolls since 1997!'
that would cost about $3-4 million (unless you way overpay for everything.)
seriously, $1 billion is impossible to spend without going completely insane (as the other folks said, your own private space program, et cetera.)
there is no real valid reason anyone needs more than $10million (even your example is rather silly...)
...dave
i worked at best buy a few years ago for a while (as a technician, whoo-hoo $7.20/hr!) and this practice is very common and not at all looked down upon. it's also common to grab the other stores' weekly magazine ads (mini-catalogues almost, you know the ones) and adjust the prices for the week to match (if needed)..
this is completely ridiculous and should be shot down, it's another example of would-be monopolists trying to manipulate the law to insure they have no competition.
to the person who said 'allow e-bay to win, the smarter companies will be open,' this is possible, but look how long it is taking for linux to surplant M$,.. well-known, familiar brands, products, services stick around because most people don't want to do spend the effort to investigate something new, and they feel safe with what they know (even if they are shown/told how evil and bad it is.)
anyway, whatever,... rant off.
...dave
yes it is
that's all equivallent to throwing it on a bonfire, in my mind. it's totally useless pursuits of fame.
i've thought the richard branson thing was fairly pathetic, really. rich, bored, old man throws money away on an imbecilic, life-risking, waste of time, energy and money, when he could donate all that cash towards helping victims of corporate politics
but, that's just me..
...dave
when people say SUVs are safer, period, that irks me, because for the most part, there isn't a difference, only if you're colliding into a smaller car. people have the impression they are invincible within one, and they have a good chance of just walking away from any collisoin, where they would die in a Civic..
and that's what i was trying to correct, that's only true if you're going to go ramming into Civics
...dave
i'm on a university T3 and i can't get through
looks like they weren't prepared for the likes of
...dave
he doesn't have to
as soon as i have $5-10 million i'm retiring, permanently. no more devoting my time to anything i don't want to do.
anyone who goes after more than that is basically just being greedy,.. with that kind of money you can live your life and do pretty much anything you want, with no problems. nobody needs a billion dollars, and if i somehow had it, i'd give almost all of it away (again, only keep a bit.)
and don't bother telling me it's only a matter of perspective, i'm well aware
...dave
of no one willing to take the first step for selfish reasons.
safety issues really are a very minor concern to me, i'm going to die some day whether i like it or not,.. i'm not too concerned about a tiny, tiny, miniscule bit of a fraction of a statistical percentile chance of survival.
what i care about is the fact that those beasts handle like crap, guzzle gas, and are ugly as all get-out. those things are my reasons for not wanting one for myself.
other people having them wouldn't bug me (and didn't bug me when this was true) if fewer people had them. as it is, i can't see traffic lights, i can't see around corners, etc. etc.
it's much scary when Rick the Excursion driver who thinks (wishes) he ha(s/d) a porsche comes up behind me doing 95 on the freeway (and i know it's a cop zone so i am going 70, otherwise, it wouldn't be such a speed difference.) this is less frightening when someone is in a smaller (more nimble) car.
anyway, we could go in circles all day, neither of us is going to change our opinion.
...dave
well since they have a grand total of 80 horsepower (and weigh in excess of 2 tons), 'high speed' is not really an option (at least, not in a stock hummer.)
i'm not putting down hummers, mind you, they are amazing vehicles for their intended purpose.. they put out 800 ft/lbs. of torque. but, most people seem to think they are some kind of uber-car, and they aren't
...dave
you're also only safer if you're some kind of demolition driver who goes around ramming into festivas and civics,..
but, y'know, given your posts, i could see that.
...dave