Or you could think of a soap-film bubble, with essentially zero elasticity, just a bit of tension. Very small pressure difference, but still a difference. (But, somewhat curiously, the bigger the bubble the less the difference.)
This is true. However, there are websites that go balls up if they don't see M$ or Netscape. What do you do with those but change the user-agent? (And try to complain to a human webmaster, but the standard response is "we can't support everything" and there is no #%$*^@ way to convince them that making a cripplesite is actually more work and more expense.)
But, regardless, I think I'll change my Konqi string to something like Lynx or curl or Ayame Emaya =)
Yeah, I love how the exit polls are peddled as a cross-check on the vote proper, and then get fiddled all to hell until the two match up and "nothing to see here, sheeple" is declared.
(Or, in the case of Venezuela, fiddled all to hell - by US obervers - to NOT match up so "fraud" can be shouted.)
Talk about black-box voting; this is truly black-box stuff: poke around at it from the outside getting very sketchy data and then fiddling it to fit what Teacher tells you is inside the box. Why don't you just get an open voting process in the first place?
You find nothing scary in such a recklessly partisan person running one of the private corporations that counts your votes - in Ohio, under the *cough* watchful eye of a Sec'y of State that is an "honourary co-chairman" of the "reelection" campaign? Who has himself been abusing the law and his own power to the point even the courts are overriding him?
In the best of circumstances I wouldn't waste my time diddling a "voting" machine. But when their code is a "trade secret", when there isn't even a PRETENSE to honesty? Fugedaboudit.
>You could have had General Clark - impeccable personal integrity, proven leadership ability (he ran NATO fer crissakes!) super handle on foreign policy...
Other than that one little time he told Michael Jackson to attack the Russians and take that airport away from 'em...
>We bail you European & British Empire folks out of wars constantly
Actually, you start out with people like William Stamps Farish II putting the Luft in Luftwaffe* and then send people like William Stamps Farish IV to be Plenipotentiary to the Court of St James, in the midst of the Luftwaffe's rubble! HAHA it's a deliciously sick joke.
*granted, the US gov't asked him to stop - but, unlike bit-player Prescott Bush, told the US gov't to go fu@k itself and pretty much got away with it
Yeah, if by "free speech" you mean "allow terrorists to broadcast propoganda with possible underlying go codes for their cells".
Gee, it's a shame to lose that kind of speech.
Ya, I too wish Bush would shut up.
Odd that he'd play an Emmanuel Osama Goldstein bin-Forgotten tape right now, though... it just goes to show what a fu@kup his War on Terra's been.
And maybe some, just a few, remember they'd had one in The War and it was abolished (1953) as unBritish, or "tends to make the public resentful of the acts of the police and inclines them to obstruct them rather than to assist them," or something...
Where ballots can (and are) lost (or "lost") and there are dozens of opportunities for workers to mess with or change things.
This is FUD. A paper count can at least be opened to the public and watched by whoever wants to see. There is no way to witness what goes on inside a sillycon chip.
I could never trust an "election" counted by machines. (Hard enough to trust people; but a black box spitting out Walden-"committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President"-O'Dell-alone-knows-what? I'm not yet that stupid.)
The numbers on the counters are manually recorded, then manually transferred to a central registrar. That's two places with human intervention, and opportunity for error or, more remotely, fraud
There are at least four witnesses to the counting: the deputy returning officer and the poll clerk, who are nominated by the two leading parties, and at least two from the public (who are usually, but not necessarily, agents of two different candidates)
All the totals get printed in the newspapers so the witnesses can check their own poll and anyone can check the sums
Your system does nothing like that. Even where the ballots are counted by hand, all the numbers disappear into Voter News Service, which then reports what it wants. (I don't know what's replaced VNS. I understand it was dissolved after it so badly botched the con in 2000. It was a pretty secret society and its successor can be expected to be even more so.)
People want to know sooner than the morning paper
I REFUSE, as a voter, to buy into the horserace psychology. That's just hype created to get the whole scam over with and out of the news cycle. I want a proper count more than I want instant falsified results.
The results don't take effect for months; why the fuck the indecent hurry?
BTW all I get out of the forum anchor is "cyclic link". I guess konqi users are locked out >:(
This offer must be
accepted by **ALL** copyright holders...
That'll be harder than getting agreement on the Charlottetown accord (a thing in which any given Canadian could find something to hate)...A) you'll never find *ALL* the copyright holders - plus the complication some have died, who of their heirs has the say? B) of the hundreds you can find it's sure a few will say No on principle.
>The first true democracy...would probably be the first nation where every single grown up individual, regardless of gender or race, has the right to take part in the election of the government.
In which case the US is not yet a "true democracy" and Canada is struggling...In several US states the convicted do not vote, even if their sentence has been served. We (Canada) have granted some vote to the incarcerated. A friend from France is appalled we ever prevented them from voting (She tends to treat anything not done the way the French do as appalling but the point is they've allowed prison vote for a long time).
>They're basically saying our process of electing a president is a sham
It is a sham. It's been a sham for decades.
>It was a result of outdated technology and a ballot that was confusing to read.
Not quite. There was also the roughly 90000 eligible voters (from predominantly Democrat demographics) Shrubadub's FL campaign manager Kathy Harris (masquerading as Brother JEB's sec'y of State) barred from the polls on false accusations of criminality (with a wee bit of he'p from Texas-based ChoicePoint).
And one of the most interesting occurrences was with the brandspanking new technology: one of the "voting" machines in Volusia country registered -16022 Gore votes and 9880 Socialist Workers Party votes...in a precinct of about 585 registered electors...and the stupid central computer accepted the negative number.
>In our country, people after the fact sat down and counted each vote by hand.
In my country, each vote is counted by hand to PRODUCE the fact, with witnesses from the public, and poll-by-poll numbers are in the newspapers within days so the sums can be checked and the witnesses can check the raw numbers.
In your country, all the numbers got sent to a thing called Voters News Service, which would then report what it wanted and the witnesses and officials in the polls could go fu@k themselves. Really. Check what happened in Dubuque Co. Iowa in the 1996 caucuses.
And after all that work...it was still close enough the Hedge called upon the Supreme Court to STOP the count and appoint a winner.
I laugh my @ss off at you. If that happened anywhere else we'd call the spade a little tinpot African dicatatorship and get on with life. But just beacuse it's the US we gotta wring our hands and say "well, mistakes happen."
And you think more "voting" machines are going to help? Machines cannot be trusted to count ballots, even if they're open to inspection, which is explicitly prohibited in US machines, even to election officials, under nonsense of "protection of trade secrets." Counting is a trade-fu@king-secret? Trade-fu@king-secrets overrides public trust in the last dreg of its diluted democracy? God they think we're stupid. (I think, unfortunately, they're mostly right.)
Ballots are only counted by hand - can only be counted by hand - if paper copies exist. (And your ballots only get counted by hand if there's a protest, which simply means the riggers have to be sure to get enough spread no recount is permitted.) The new "voting" machines make no paper records. The effort to have them make paper records is being vigourously resisted, even though most of the efforts aren't even asking for any more than a piece of paper the voter checks and then discards.
(And don't you think it's funny to yammer in one sentence about "outdated technology" and then turn around and talk about hand counting as the final check - hand counting which involved, in the main, the tangible ballots that same outdated technology used?)
But hey, as regimes like yours like to say, if you're doing nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide, right?
Hm. If it was known these things were oganising attacks, then their code must've been broken. Wouldn't it have been cleverer to let them operate and lie in ambush for the attacks they already unwittingly told you were coming?
I do know that the US Soldiers, in particular the Marines, are over there fighting and dying fully believing...the guys really doing the fighting really want the Iraqi's to be free
One
Marine officer in Ramadi who had lost several men said he was thinking about throwing his medals over the White House wall...
"9 out of 10 of the people I talk to, it wouldn't matter who ran against Bush - they'd vote for them."...
"Nobody I know wants Bush...This whole war was based on lies."...
"First they said they have WMD and nuclear weapons, then it was to get Saddam Hussein out of office, and then to rebuild Iraq. I want to fight for my nation and for my family, to protect the United States against enemies foreign and domestic, not to protect Iraqi civilians or deal with Sadr's militia."...
"We shouldn't be here," said one Marine infantryman bluntly. "There was no reason for invading this country in the first place. We just came here...and killed a lot of innocent people."
So I'm not the only who noticed. Watching the X-Files could drive me up the wall; in low contrast the system would switch to half-framing. The X-Files was shot in the dark and I never knew if they were half-framing for effect or if it was the G$&^%@M satellite link.
Sometimes the translation commands seem to go out of sync, and faces turn to jelly.
And if MPEG does to lineart what JPEG does, get it the fu@k outta my South Park =)
Regardless...Too much of our lives are wasted and our minds crippled and enslaved by that damn box. Forcing digital down our throats is patent fascism, an artificial short-lived prop to trade and GDP to expand a machine which isolates ourselves from each other hypnotised with fake news, indoctrinational history, and "spectator" sports.
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Never heard of a salt fountain? =)
Or you could think of a soap-film bubble, with essentially zero elasticity, just a bit of tension. Very small pressure difference, but still a difference. (But, somewhat curiously, the bigger the bubble the less the difference.)
...and then one day he was strummin' on his tongue
and soon after that came the money by the ton!
This is true. However, there are websites that go balls up if they don't see M$ or Netscape. What do you do with those but change the user-agent? (And try to complain to a human webmaster, but the standard response is "we can't support everything" and there is no #%$*^@ way to convince them that making a cripplesite is actually more work and more expense.)
But, regardless, I think I'll change my Konqi string to something like Lynx or curl or Ayame Emaya =)
(Or, in the case of Venezuela, fiddled all to hell - by US obervers - to NOT match up so "fraud" can be shouted.)
Talk about black-box voting; this is truly black-box stuff: poke around at it from the outside getting very sketchy data and then fiddling it to fit what Teacher tells you is inside the box. Why don't you just get an open voting process in the first place?
You find nothing scary in such a recklessly partisan person running one of the private corporations that counts your votes - in Ohio, under the *cough* watchful eye of a Sec'y of State that is an "honourary co-chairman" of the "reelection" campaign? Who has himself been abusing the law and his own power to the point even the courts are overriding him?
That is ... well, certainly not Insightful.
In the best of circumstances I wouldn't waste my time diddling a "voting" machine. But when their code is a "trade secret", when there isn't even a PRETENSE to honesty? Fugedaboudit.
Other than that one little time he told Michael Jackson to attack the Russians and take that airport away from 'em...
I did NOT want Ensign Wesley in charge.
Actually, you start out with people like William Stamps Farish II putting the Luft in Luftwaffe* and then send people like William Stamps Farish IV to be Plenipotentiary to the Court of St James, in the midst of the Luftwaffe's rubble! HAHA it's a deliciously sick joke.
*granted, the US gov't asked him to stop - but, unlike bit-player Prescott Bush, told the US gov't to go fu@k itself and pretty much got away with it
And they probably love Bush for making the Park Service tell the truth: Noah's Flood caused the grand Canyon. S'pose this is part of that pandering to the ignorant?
Yeah, but time and again Americans can't find the current designated victim on a map. They often fail to find the US itself. I wonder how many would fail to recognise a globe as Earth. ("Nope-nope. God made the world flat.")
The US is very soon to be as defunct as the SU. I'm just sad its deaththroes are going to take the world out with it.
Odd that he'd play an Emmanuel Osama Goldstein bin-Forgotten tape right now, though... it just goes to show what a fu@kup his War on Terra's been.
I could never trust an "election" counted by machines. (Hard enough to trust people; but a black box spitting out Walden-"committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President"-O'Dell-alone-knows-what? I'm not yet that stupid.)
There are at least four witnesses to the counting: the deputy returning officer and the poll clerk, who are nominated by the two leading parties, and at least two from the public (who are usually, but not necessarily, agents of two different candidates)
All the totals get printed in the newspapers so the witnesses can check their own poll and anyone can check the sums
Your system does nothing like that. Even where the ballots are counted by hand, all the numbers disappear into Voter News Service, which then reports what it wants. (I don't know what's replaced VNS. I understand it was dissolved after it so badly botched the con in 2000. It was a pretty secret society and its successor can be expected to be even more so.)
I REFUSE, as a voter, to buy into the horserace psychology. That's just hype created to get the whole scam over with and out of the news cycle. I want a proper count more than I want instant falsified results.The results don't take effect for months; why the fuck the indecent hurry?
BTW all I get out of the forum anchor is "cyclic link". I guess konqi users are locked out >:(
...OOOS (buffer overrun in your JPEG software? plug in a new class implementation! Whaddya mean you can't do that in Winduhs?)...
Elimination of the concept "conflict of interest": triumph of the coïncidence theorists.
In which case the US is not yet a "true democracy" and Canada is struggling...In several US states the convicted do not vote, even if their sentence has been served. We (Canada) have granted some vote to the incarcerated. A friend from France is appalled we ever prevented them from voting (She tends to treat anything not done the way the French do as appalling but the point is they've allowed prison vote for a long time).
It is a sham. It's been a sham for decades.
>It was a result of outdated technology and a ballot that was confusing to read.
Not quite. There was also the roughly 90000 eligible voters (from predominantly Democrat demographics) Shrubadub's FL campaign manager Kathy Harris (masquerading as Brother JEB's sec'y of State) barred from the polls on false accusations of criminality (with a wee bit of he'p from Texas-based ChoicePoint).
And one of the most interesting occurrences was with the brandspanking new technology: one of the "voting" machines in Volusia country registered -16022 Gore votes and 9880 Socialist Workers Party votes...in a precinct of about 585 registered electors...and the stupid central computer accepted the negative number.
>In our country, people after the fact sat down and counted each vote by hand.
In my country, each vote is counted by hand to PRODUCE the fact, with witnesses from the public, and poll-by-poll numbers are in the newspapers within days so the sums can be checked and the witnesses can check the raw numbers.
In your country, all the numbers got sent to a thing called Voters News Service, which would then report what it wanted and the witnesses and officials in the polls could go fu@k themselves. Really. Check what happened in Dubuque Co. Iowa in the 1996 caucuses.
And after all that work...it was still close enough the Hedge called upon the Supreme Court to STOP the count and appoint a winner.
I laugh my @ss off at you. If that happened anywhere else we'd call the spade a little tinpot African dicatatorship and get on with life. But just beacuse it's the US we gotta wring our hands and say "well, mistakes happen."
And you think more "voting" machines are going to help? Machines cannot be trusted to count ballots, even if they're open to inspection, which is explicitly prohibited in US machines, even to election officials, under nonsense of "protection of trade secrets." Counting is a trade-fu@king-secret? Trade-fu@king-secrets overrides public trust in the last dreg of its diluted democracy? God they think we're stupid. (I think, unfortunately, they're mostly right.)
Ballots are only counted by hand - can only be counted by hand - if paper copies exist. (And your ballots only get counted by hand if there's a protest, which simply means the riggers have to be sure to get enough spread no recount is permitted.) The new "voting" machines make no paper records. The effort to have them make paper records is being vigourously resisted, even though most of the efforts aren't even asking for any more than a piece of paper the voter checks and then discards.
(And don't you think it's funny to yammer in one sentence about "outdated technology" and then turn around and talk about hand counting as the final check - hand counting which involved, in the main, the tangible ballots that same outdated technology used?)
But hey, as regimes like yours like to say, if you're doing nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide, right?
Sometimes the translation commands seem to go out of sync, and faces turn to jelly.
And if MPEG does to lineart what JPEG does, get it the fu@k outta my South Park =)
Regardless...Too much of our lives are wasted and our minds crippled and enslaved by that damn box. Forcing digital down our throats is patent fascism, an artificial short-lived prop to trade and GDP to expand a machine which isolates ourselves from each other hypnotised with fake news, indoctrinational history, and "spectator" sports.
BTW the most exaggerated Tiananmen tales feature a wee fraction the deaths as in Panama for Herb the Perv's grab of fellow CIA asset Noriega.