I'd like to be the first to point out that dpkg predates rpm. And rpm was created for purely political reasons not technical. And besides, what good do rpms do if you cant share them between dists?
How the fuck does IBM make money? By saying "wow, way to support your customers redhat". I doubt that, they can make just as much money supporting debian.
They need to quit trying to save glide, its dead, live with it. Release specs and let someone write a real GL driver for it.
to hell with 3dfx! Matrox deserves recognition
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What is this crap? 3dfx isn't even giving out the full specifications, you are still stuck with their shitty binary only glide drivers.
Matrox on the other hand has made COMPLETE specifications available for all their major chipsets. I even submitted this story to slashdot the other day but evidently they didnt feel the need to post it. Yet when someone releases binary only drivers they do post it. Seems a little fishy to me.
Uhh please get your facts straight before bitching about things like this. I can install any non-free package just like the free ones. The only difference is debian doesnt distribute non-free things in the official cd image. There is nothing saying vendors cant distribute non-free cds too, which is what http://www.debian-cd.com does.
Exactly, people need to realize that the reason debian is so good is because of the politics! And btw, debian doesnt stop you from using non-free software anyway.
Releasing binary drivers != Supporting linux community.
Hell, all they have to do is "cp chipspecifications.pdf/home/ftp/pub" and the we will write our own damn drivers, that is a much better solution than using some buggy binary only piece of crap.
Attitudes like this will lead to the downfall of Linux. I for one will never use a binary driver for anything, to hell with this "be thankful" bullshit. If we openly accept binary-only drivers then this will encourage other companies to do the same.
Why should we be thankful for leftover scraps then we can have the 14oz. steak?
The only thing that is a tragedy is that people like you are trying to subvert the whole movement.
So you say gnome is just about code and not idealogy? I think not. One of Miguel's main objectives in gnome is to "infect as much software as possible with the GPL". When I heard that, my respect for him trippled, both as a coder and as an idealogist.
Oh, yeah, you are right, I just got back from beating some people into submission because they didn't define their concepts of free software the way I thought they should.
If you dont agree with debian then dont join, or better yet start your own distribution based on it.
Correction about enlightenment cvs packages. add the following to/etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://www.debian.org/~bma/e-cvs/debs/./
The package name is enlightenment-cvs
And our gnome packages do lag behind a little, 0.99.3 is in potato and 0.99.8 will be uploaded very soon. Packages do exist, they just aren't menioned on gnome.org like the rpms.
Uhh, where have you been? Debian dropped kde quite a while ago, as for qt it is in the non-free section. It is not officially part of debian, they are provided for the convienence of the users.
huh? Well i'm gonna go demand that redhat lets me work for them, then im gonna sabotage them. See my point? Debian is not a political party, its a group of developers that share a common goal, if you dont share our goal why would you want to be a developer anyway?
"Brin's got an interesting take alright-nutshell is rather then try and fight the cameras that are going to go no matter what, make them so ubiqutous that everyone can know-but also reinstate the courtesy inherent in living in a collective sense, like the village of yore. The article is definietly worth a read."
I read this sentence (if you want to call it that) about 6 times and I still can't grasp what it's trying to say.
I agree 100%, gnome will be the standard desktop soon, and not because I like redhat either, I hate them with a passion in fact. And even when the free qt is released I still won't support it or KDE because it just plain sucks.
The packages will be signed when they are uploaded into the main archive. espy happens to be the libc maintainer for debian, If you can't trust these packages you might as well not trust anything you download off the net.
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People like you do not deserve to live, do the world a favor and kill yourself now.
Uhh, splintering? I dont think so, debian came before redhat. Therefore redhat is the one that splintered if you go by your reasoning.
And debian is built on volunteers, just like the kernel is. If you actually had a clue you would know this.
I'd like to be the first to point out that dpkg predates rpm. And rpm was created for purely political reasons not technical. And besides, what good do rpms do if you cant share them between dists?
See this package format comparison
How the fuck does IBM make money? By saying "wow, way to support your customers redhat". I doubt that, they can make just as much money supporting debian.
It's great. For instance
apt-get install communicator-smotif-45 netscape-java-45
that would install communicator+java.
and to keep your packages current
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
best thing since sliced bread
no, linux is not being fed anything. redhat, caldera, suse and pacific hightech are being fed.
get your facts straight, moron.
IBM, you seriously cant be this fucking stupid.
caldera?!?! like 1% of people run caldera, who gives a shit about that.
debian has nearly 30% of the linux market and you leave it out.
ibm can blow me.
Wtf does 3dfx have to do with games?
They need to quit trying to save glide, its dead, live with it. Release specs and let someone write a real GL driver for it.
What is this crap? 3dfx isn't even giving out the full specifications, you are still stuck with their shitty binary only glide drivers.
Matrox on the other hand has made COMPLETE specifications available for all their major chipsets. I even submitted this story to slashdot the other day but evidently they didnt feel the need to post it. Yet when someone releases binary only drivers they do post it. Seems a little fishy to me.
My thoughts exactly. BeOS can kiss my ass, they are just as bad as microsoft.
samba 2.0.2 is in potato
Uhh please get your facts straight before bitching about things like this. I can install any non-free package just like the free ones. The only difference is debian doesnt distribute non-free things in the official cd image. There is nothing saying vendors cant distribute non-free cds too, which is what http://www.debian-cd.com does.
Exactly, people need to realize that the reason debian is so good is because of the politics! And btw, debian doesnt stop you from using non-free software anyway.
Releasing binary drivers != Supporting linux community.
/home/ftp/pub" and the we will write our own damn drivers, that is a much better solution than using some buggy binary only piece of crap.
Hell, all they have to do is "cp chipspecifications.pdf
Attitudes like this will lead to the downfall of Linux. I for one will never use a binary driver for anything, to hell with this "be thankful" bullshit. If we openly accept binary-only drivers then this will encourage other companies to do the same.
Why should we be thankful for leftover scraps then we can have the 14oz. steak?
The only thing that is a tragedy is that people like you are trying to subvert the whole movement.
So you say gnome is just about code and not idealogy? I think not. One of Miguel's main objectives in gnome is to "infect as much software as possible with the GPL". When I heard that, my respect for him trippled, both as a coder and as an idealogist.
Oh, yeah, you are right, I just got back from beating some people into submission because they didn't define their concepts of free software the way I thought they should.
If you dont agree with debian then dont join, or better yet start your own distribution based on it.
Correction about enlightenment cvs packages. /etc/apt/sources.list
./
add the following to
deb http://www.debian.org/~bma/e-cvs/debs/
The package name is enlightenment-cvs
And our gnome packages do lag behind a little, 0.99.3 is in potato and 0.99.8 will be uploaded very soon. Packages do exist, they just aren't menioned on gnome.org like the rpms.
Uhh, where have you been? Debian dropped kde quite a while ago, as for qt it is in the non-free section. It is not officially part of debian, they are provided for the convienence of the users.
huh? Well i'm gonna go demand that redhat lets me work for them, then im gonna sabotage them. See my point? Debian is not a political party, its a group of developers that share a common goal, if you dont share our goal why would you want to be a developer anyway?
"Brin's got an interesting take alright-nutshell is rather then try and fight the cameras that are going to go no matter what, make them so ubiqutous that everyone can know-but also reinstate the courtesy inherent in living in a collective sense, like the village of yore. The article is definietly worth a read."
I read this sentence (if you want to call it that) about 6 times and I still can't grasp what it's trying to say.
I agree 100%, gnome will be the standard desktop soon, and not because I like redhat either, I hate them with a passion in fact. And even when the free qt is released I still won't support it or KDE because it just plain sucks.
To hell with the rpms, install the debs
uhh, point apt towards potato and type
apt-get install gnome-panel gnome-session gnome-control-center
The packages will be signed when they are uploaded into the main archive. espy happens to be the libc maintainer for debian, If you can't trust these packages you might as well not trust anything you download off the net.