To be honest... I really don't care. Honestly, I don't. But it seems that a bunch of people do mind (you'd be hard pressed to argue that, seeing the posts about/. reinventing FM).
The reason I argued the point, was because there's an obvious trend on Slashdot now for posting software releases. I think those releases *deserve* their own section, in the same sense that BSD and Apache do. I'd like to be able to create a slashbox for new releases, so I can go discuss them. They have a place on Slashdot, but I don't think it's mixed in with all the other stuff.
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Yes, major software releases CLEARLY have a place on Slashdot. The only think I complain about is that they don't have their own section. How can I possibly filter out software announcements if they're spread out into every category? This isn't a lot to ask...
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Fair enough: I think the reason that I, and a lot of other people, put comments like that in their posts is out of frustration with idiot moderators.
It's like saying "Yes, I know you want to moderate me down. Do it, and then go fuck yourself". Maybe a little unneccesary, but it irks me to know ahead of time what a moderator is going to do, based on the subject of my post.
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I'm not complaining that this was posted on Slashdot. Slashdot can post whatever they'd like. But it doesn't belong under the GNU heading. It, along with all the development kernel releases, and the new versions of XFree86 need to have their own section. I, like a great many people here, read Freshmeat precisely for this sort of thing. I understand that some things deserve to be posted here on/., and all I'm asking for is the ability to filter them out.
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Sure, it could be made to work for me. Maybe if I constructed my system in the *exact* same manner as you did. But my sytem (to the best of my knowlege) is likely quite different from yours. Still, most of my applications will run in the exact same manner as they do on your system. Why? Because they are fairly bug-free, and are written in such a manner that they depend only upon features of the system that they know are there.
The problem is not in "some other area", the problem is in how Mozilla deals with "some other area". My system is almost a stock RH6.1 full install; there's no reason it shouldn't work. And rather than work my tail off trying to *make* it work on my system (which has nothing wrong with it otherwise), I will simply continue to use Netscape, in the knowlege that Mozilla is Alpha-software.
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Why is it that everyone that Mozilla works fine for thinks that everyone that Mozilla does not work fine for must be suffering from delusions. Mozilla may in fact work fine for you. It doesn't work fine for me though. It crashes ALL the time for me. It crashes all the time for a lot of people, actually.
And based on the undisputable truth that Mozilla does crash consistently on some systems, I would have to say that no, Mozilla is not almost ready for primetime. They clearly have way too many bugs that have yet to be tracked down.
Having said that, I would like to point out that I am not saying that Mozilla should be ready for regular use. I understand that it is an Alpha, and I wholeheartedly expect it to get much much better as it moves on. But you can't have it both ways.
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On an related, but tangent note, has everyone noticed all the weblogs that are popping up? I for one think it's great. I mean, I like Slashdot just fine, but it's certainly not the end-all of discussion forums. And I think everyone can agree that smaller sites tend to be more meaningful, as they don't attract the hordes of trolls, yes?
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Yeah, I agree. Post whatever seems appropriate -- as long as it has it's own section, people who aren't interested can filter it out. Of course, we'll still hear complaints, but hey: what can ya do?
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I'm not sure I follow you on that "/dev" comment. Why shouldn't applications access files in/dev? Treating devices like files is the Unix way of doing things and there's nothing wrong with it either. The alternative (as I see it) is the Windows way of doing things, in which we have enormous amounts of individual system calls, rather than just using something like ioctl() and specifying different parameters. And then you would have to abstract away from data processing, because your apps would no longer be able to read and write to device files, like your modem or soundcard or printer or joystick, etc...
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Don't kid yourself -- just because some of the Linux community is humorous, doesn't mean that they don't take themselves to seriously.
Read some of the posts on Slashdot. Half the people here think of Linux as a crusade-of-sorts against the tyrannous oppression from Redmond. This is a community that takes itself too seriously. The programmers themselves aren't so bad, but this peanut gallery here -- Lighten up guys...
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"even if it were a dell" ?? Have you ever used a Dell? For what it's worth, I think they make pretty damned good systems. I use an Dimension at work, and I've never had a problem with it -- under Win98 or Linux. Everything works just dandy.
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They probably do preview their stories. But I doubt anyone else does. For a lot of people, checking one's own work for errors is an excercise in futility.
What they need to do is have a staff of editors. It's not like they can't afford it. C'mon Malda - get on the ball here.
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That's ludicrous. Considering just about ALL of Slashdot's stories come from somewhere else, there's no reason to think that they crew couldn't at least be accurate about what they're copying.
I'm not criticizing the model, I'm criticizing it's implementation. I think it's good that Slashdot is quick, but honestly: how much longer would it take if they checked for grammar and spelling errors? Maybe 5 minutes; BFD. And if they did a little research on the actual subject they were posting, to make sure it wasn't being misrepresented? Maybe 30 minutes?
Well, as it is, I know they are swamped with submissions, so an extra 35 minutes per story would actually add up real quick. But guess what? They're part of VA Linux! They can afford to hire a staff of editors! There's just no excuse anymore.
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You are confusing screen resolution with screen object size
No I'm not - I'm aware of the difference, but in practical uses it doesn't exist because, as you pointed out, most of our desktops are hard-coded. And, until our desktops and apps are built using vector-based graphics (bye bye wild E-themes), you're not likely to see anything like that. Well, not under X11 anyway.
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Fair enough. That's all in theory, but I'm working on a desktop in reality, and my icons and text are not resolution-independent. I'd like to see what Berlin is cooking up, but it seems like they'll be pushing a boulder uphill with all the established X-apps out there.
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Or it might be that you have really *good* eyes. I'm running at 1600x1200 now on my 21" -- it's a good size, but I wouldn't want anything to appear any smaller than it is right now. At work, I have a 19" and I run it at 1280x1024. I've tried 1600x1200 on it before, but it's just too much of a strain on my eyes if I do work on it for more than an hour or so.
Interestingly enough, people seem far more likely to accept smaller pixels on an LCD as opposed to a CRT. Why is that? I know the average res for a 15" monitor is 800x600 (sometimes 1024x768), but on a laptop, they go to 1024 at 13" and are sometimes seen with 1280 at 15".
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Hmm... That's interesting. I never really thought about a fold-able screen. I wonder if that would be feasible. Of course, then you move away from making a *wide* laptop, to a *thick* laptop, depending on how think your LCD is.
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While I wouldn't go so far as to rule something like that out, I would ask: Why would you want to?
Running 1600x1200 on a 15" LCD screen would be unbearable. It's almost too small for my 21" CRT... The only answer to that would be to make the laptop screen bigger, but again I ask: why would you want to? Making a laptop screen bigger than 15" makes it awful clumsy. Sure, everyone wants a big screen, but who wants a big laptop? Not me. I'll stick with 1024x768 screens on my laptops, thanks.
Having said all that, this technology could easily help out in bringing flatscreen monitors to the world's desktops.
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Absolutely. In fact, what would REALLY be a kick, is if *everybody* posting to Freshmeat starting using the name "DeCSS" for EVERYTHING they released, regardless of it's content.
Sure, we'd all be confused for awhile, but think of how many more DeCSS.tgz files there would be online?
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Yeah, sometimes Word does do some stupid things. But don't pretend that ALL the things it does are stupid. Some of it's auto-actions are fairly intelligent. I really appreciate it's ability to correct common mispellings automatically, and it's auto-completion of my [fairly long] last name. And don't pretend that you can't turn ALL of it's auto-actions off, because you most certainly can (and I often do just that).
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Well he may be a savage, but at least he understands the value of time. There's no reason that someone trying to create a presentation needs to be a professional typesetter. Why should I have to learn a formatting language like TeX to do my job? And to the people saying "Use LyX": I tried it, and I won't go back until LyX has the ability to embed just about any other document-type in it.
I'm not saying that TeX doesn't have it's place, but it's ridiculous to compare the two products. Office is an excellent tool for the business desktop, and TeX/LyX are very clearly not.
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Slashdot Mirror
It's sad that ANY comment could conceivably fit each category
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The reason I argued the point, was because there's an obvious trend on Slashdot now for posting software releases. I think those releases *deserve* their own section, in the same sense that BSD and Apache do. I'd like to be able to create a slashbox for new releases, so I can go discuss them. They have a place on Slashdot, but I don't think it's mixed in with all the other stuff.
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It's like saying "Yes, I know you want to moderate me down. Do it, and then go fuck yourself". Maybe a little unneccesary, but it irks me to know ahead of time what a moderator is going to do, based on the subject of my post.
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I'm not complaining that this was posted on Slashdot. Slashdot can post whatever they'd like. But it doesn't belong under the GNU heading. It, along with all the development kernel releases, and the new versions of XFree86 need to have their own section. I, like a great many people here, read Freshmeat precisely for this sort of thing. I understand that some things deserve to be posted here on /., and all I'm asking for is the ability to filter them out.
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The problem is not in "some other area", the problem is in how Mozilla deals with "some other area". My system is almost a stock RH6.1 full install; there's no reason it shouldn't work. And rather than work my tail off trying to *make* it work on my system (which has nothing wrong with it otherwise), I will simply continue to use Netscape, in the knowlege that Mozilla is Alpha-software.
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And based on the undisputable truth that Mozilla does crash consistently on some systems, I would have to say that no, Mozilla is not almost ready for primetime. They clearly have way too many bugs that have yet to be tracked down.
Having said that, I would like to point out that I am not saying that Mozilla should be ready for regular use. I understand that it is an Alpha, and I wholeheartedly expect it to get much much better as it moves on. But you can't have it both ways.
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My, my - what an accomplishment for them
Okay, Okay -- I use Pico... what's your point?
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Read some of the posts on Slashdot. Half the people here think of Linux as a crusade-of-sorts against the tyrannous oppression from Redmond. This is a community that takes itself too seriously. The programmers themselves aren't so bad, but this peanut gallery here -- Lighten up guys...
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What they need to do is have a staff of editors. It's not like they can't afford it. C'mon Malda - get on the ball here.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
I'm not criticizing the model, I'm criticizing it's implementation. I think it's good that Slashdot is quick, but honestly: how much longer would it take if they checked for grammar and spelling errors? Maybe 5 minutes; BFD. And if they did a little research on the actual subject they were posting, to make sure it wasn't being misrepresented? Maybe 30 minutes?
Well, as it is, I know they are swamped with submissions, so an extra 35 minutes per story would actually add up real quick. But guess what? They're part of VA Linux! They can afford to hire a staff of editors! There's just no excuse anymore.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
You are confusing screen resolution with screen object size
No I'm not - I'm aware of the difference, but in practical uses it doesn't exist because, as you pointed out, most of our desktops are hard-coded. And, until our desktops and apps are built using vector-based graphics (bye bye wild E-themes), you're not likely to see anything like that. Well, not under X11 anyway.
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Interestingly enough, people seem far more likely to accept smaller pixels on an LCD as opposed to a CRT. Why is that? I know the average res for a 15" monitor is 800x600 (sometimes 1024x768), but on a laptop, they go to 1024 at 13" and are sometimes seen with 1280 at 15".
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Running 1600x1200 on a 15" LCD screen would be unbearable. It's almost too small for my 21" CRT... The only answer to that would be to make the laptop screen bigger, but again I ask: why would you want to? Making a laptop screen bigger than 15" makes it awful clumsy. Sure, everyone wants a big screen, but who wants a big laptop? Not me. I'll stick with 1024x768 screens on my laptops, thanks.
Having said all that, this technology could easily help out in bringing flatscreen monitors to the world's desktops.
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Sure, we'd all be confused for awhile, but think of how many more DeCSS.tgz files there would be online?
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I'm not saying that TeX doesn't have it's place, but it's ridiculous to compare the two products. Office is an excellent tool for the business desktop, and TeX/LyX are very clearly not.
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