I am SO for something like this! I have been a faithful Debian user for 3 years, but I work with RedHat, SuSE, etc. at work everyday. I've also had some decent experience with FreeBSD and the ports collection ROCKS!
I really like Debian's packaging and tools (yes the tools rock but the Packges and the system as a whole is what makes apt-get so neat) I also really like binary packages with simple default configs and dependency checking.
Ports has most of this already. If there was a way to adapt ports and source.debs I would be in heaven!
I have seriously considering porting ports to Linux, but currently don't have enough free time to spearhead such a movement.
If the BSD's standardize on the same ports... why not move it to linux and have that in common across ALL platforms. I'm sure that you could get it to check the dependencies of the existing package format so you don't needlessly compile unneeded things.
This woould also be a great way for commercial software makers to distribute their software too. make can handle binaries too.... just have the "make world" just do the binary install. All they would have to provide is a tarball of their ports directory.
Using make and some external utilities (dpkg and rpm for dependencies) can and DOES make for a very robust package management system.
I have DSL through SWBell and they don't mind, they just make sure to point out that it's easier to host off of their more expensive static ip packages.
They are expected to use the "correct" firewalling software. Tell me, who honestly thinks that John Doe (or rather, John Smith over here...) is going to have a clue about security
One day when I was searching for my box when my dhs address didn't update I scanned the network that my DSL is on. In one class C i found 20+ Alcatel 1000 DSL routers with no password on the administration tools.
Maybe these people shouldn't have dsl then. I'm not trying to sound elite but you have to know a little about what you're using. With your car you know it needs gas and the oil changed and you learn that as part of owning a car. Now, whether you do it yourself or pay someone to do it is a moot point, you get it done because you have to for the car to function properly.
Joe User shoudl learn enough to either learn about a firewall or pay someone to do it. If he gets cracked or something else is along the same lines as never changing your oil and wondering why your engine seized.
For many years my only box was a 75Mhz pentium. Compiling anything took forever on this box so... binary packages were good.
Also... with something as intelligent as the Debian packaging system, I don't need to worry about dependencies and compiling every little thing that package foo needs. One good example is GNOME or KDE. I actually have things that I need to get done other than watch my machine compile a desktop environment all day.
I have nothing against compiling from source, and I do really like the FreeBSD ports. I also like typing apt-get source foo then running dpkg-buildpackge and having a.deb with all the dependencies in tact.
Remeber when Windows 2000 came out? There were 65,000 documented bugs. This is eerily close to the number of "applications" that they say it has.... coincidence?
This is kind of touching on my religious turmoil right now...
Why would we have been told. What would that have done for us. Nothing really.
I used to have those Time-Life boks on UFOs and other mysteries and there was an old painting that had Jesus in a space ship.
Also there was a movie called Enemy Mine In this movie a human got stranded on a planet with a rival alien. They taught each other their language with the aliens spiritual book. When it translated it was the Bible. I just always thought that this was a neat thought.
I think that finding that life... even "non-intelligent" life would bring about lots of changes on earth. Mostly socially. We would realise that we are not really the center of the universe and might actually try to get along.
Does anyone else think that the porn site industry will get behind this?
On the Serious note... I think that the tactile feedback is nearly a necessity. I recently bought a Wacom Graphire and while it's kewl and I like the pen... The mouse is still strange. I still reach for my logitech quite often and have them both sitting in easy reach, mostly I use the Wacom for the wheel.
I think that this has the same principle as a good keyboard. I'm not quite as extreme to like old IBM keyboards... But a good Sun Type 5 is great to type on.
I have to disagree on these statements. I can buy a cheap 10/100 Ethernet card for $15. A good hardware modem is MUCH more expensive. Ethernet is a very common standard where as a certain vendors software modem is not standard at all... let alone what part of the AT commands they can actually use. Modems also have a much higher failure rate than most computer components, they are more susceptible to electrical damage from storms and simple anomalies in the phone line itself.
I've seen a lot of posts here about how he installed Mandrake instead or RedHat. If any of you that were so quick to point that out... Redhat wouldn't install on a machine that failed to POST either. The guy here (at least I thought) made it clear that it was a hardware problem.
This is what I've been waiting for. Tiny little portable computers that hvae some horsepower. I've read up on the Itsy and such and really liked it and couldn't wait for a real product to come out. It's starting to look like a reality.
I just gave it a shot and it's kind of weird to use. I like the idea... but What good is the free speech if it's nearly inaccesible?
Apparently to read a document you have to know the full URL which is HUGE. And since there is no search You can't find things on the subject of say... "Search and Seizure." You would have to wade through the web and find a link to the Publius Document.
The encryption and the anonymity are great. And i understand not having a search function... but I think that it is at the expense of ease of use and
actually getting the free speech "heard".
I've seen a surprising amount of crashed windows billboards. I saw one in New York while attending Linux World and 2600 had one the same month that Netware 5 came out.
There are so many complaints about the duplication of effort that goes on in the open source community but everyone is ready to get behind projects like this and that open source windows project.
Yes I see the benifits of "emulating" a complete machine (yes, i am speaking english.) I have used VMware, I've used Softwin. It has a use... but it's been done.
The entire point that I'm trying to make is that we need to move on.
I've simply been offering an opinion and I'm not alone... This paper about computing form a Yale professor.
I realise that most people in this community are passionate abou tnearly everything and this too. However we are holding ourselves back.
This is really starting to be annoying. We are completely holding ourselves back by emulating everything that we can get a hold of.
If I need to slowly run old DOS apps... I'l buy an old 486 for $30. If for some reason I want to run windows... I'll jsut buy a copy of windows.
Every step that we have taken forward lately is also a step back because we are refusing to let the legacy stuff be that... just a legacy. There is no need for ISA slots on a motherboard. We are so worried about vendors not recompiling software that we have kept the crappy x86 processors around WAY longer than they should have.
Just like the OpenWin project that was mentioned earlier, it's a waste of time and talent. There are so many areas of computing that could be impproved on but so many people just want to recode the same thigns over and over.
... They talked about cross referencing the email address and real address. If they weren't associated, how would hte get the email printed and delivered to the right house?
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I am SO for something like this! I have been a faithful Debian user for 3 years, but I work with RedHat, SuSE, etc. at work everyday. I've also had some decent experience with FreeBSD and the ports collection ROCKS!
I really like Debian's packaging and tools (yes the tools rock but the Packges and the system as a whole is what makes apt-get so neat) I also really like binary packages with simple default configs and dependency checking.
Ports has most of this already. If there was a way to adapt ports and source .debs I would be in heaven!
I have seriously considering porting ports to Linux, but currently don't have enough free time to spearhead such a movement.
If the BSD's standardize on the same ports... why not move it to linux and have that in common across ALL platforms. I'm sure that you could get it to check the dependencies of the existing package format so you don't needlessly compile unneeded things.
This woould also be a great way for commercial software makers to distribute their software too. make can handle binaries too.... just have the "make world" just do the binary install. All they would have to provide is a tarball of their ports directory.
Using make and some external utilities (dpkg and rpm for dependencies) can and DOES make for a very robust package management system.
Debian is slow to mark a release as "stable" however the "unstable" branch is very up to date.
I have DSL through SWBell and they don't mind, they just make sure to point out that it's easier to host off of their more expensive static ip packages.
One day when I was searching for my box when my dhs address didn't update I scanned the network that my DSL is on. In one class C i found 20+ Alcatel 1000 DSL routers with no password on the administration tools.
Maybe these people shouldn't have dsl then. I'm not trying to sound elite but you have to know a little about what you're using. With your car you know it needs gas and the oil changed and you learn that as part of owning a car. Now, whether you do it yourself or pay someone to do it is a moot point, you get it done because you have to for the car to function properly.
Joe User shoudl learn enough to either learn about a firewall or pay someone to do it. If he gets cracked or something else is along the same lines as never changing your oil and wondering why your engine seized.
It would be more like a car maker letting you have a simple way of setting the air/fuel mixture and timing from a little panel by the stereo.
Not in our three branched government. The courts interpret the law. That's one of the puposes of the Supreme Court, to rule constitutionality of laws.
Why binary... slow machines!
For many years my only box was a 75Mhz pentium. Compiling anything took forever on this box so... binary packages were good.
Also... with something as intelligent as the Debian packaging system, I don't need to worry about dependencies and compiling every little thing that package foo needs. One good example is GNOME or KDE. I actually have things that I need to get done other than watch my machine compile a desktop environment all day.
I have nothing against compiling from source, and I do really like the FreeBSD ports. I also like typing apt-get source foo then running dpkg-buildpackge and having a .deb with all the dependencies in tact.
Actually if you follow links from the article about hte Cray for sale... That did some protein folding calculations.
Remeber when Windows 2000 came out? There were 65,000 documented bugs. This is eerily close to the number of "applications" that they say it has.... coincidence?
This is kind of touching on my religious turmoil right now...
Why would we have been told. What would that have done for us. Nothing really.
I used to have those Time-Life boks on UFOs and other mysteries and there was an old painting that had Jesus in a space ship.
Also there was a movie called Enemy Mine In this movie a human got stranded on a planet with a rival alien. They taught each other their language with the aliens spiritual book. When it translated it was the Bible. I just always thought that this was a neat thought.
I think that finding that life... even "non-intelligent" life would bring about lots of changes on earth. Mostly socially. We would realise that we are not really the center of the universe and might actually try to get along.
Get this running to my laptop or my Palm... Hell yeah.
Funny that I was just looking at that Sony music Clip that plays mp3 and ATRAC3
Does anyone else think that the porn site industry will get behind this?
On the Serious note... I think that the tactile feedback is nearly a necessity. I recently bought a Wacom Graphire and while it's kewl and I like the pen... The mouse is still strange. I still reach for my logitech quite often and have them both sitting in easy reach, mostly I use the Wacom for the wheel.
I think that this has the same principle as a good keyboard. I'm not quite as extreme to like old IBM keyboards... But a good Sun Type 5 is great to type on.
IBM is really heading up on my respect-o-meter. Moving to Linux, making a very good JDK, and now Web Sphere. Cool.
I have to disagree on these statements. I can buy a cheap 10/100 Ethernet card for $15. A good hardware modem is MUCH more expensive. Ethernet is a very common standard where as a certain vendors software modem is not standard at all... let alone what part of the AT commands they can actually use. Modems also have a much higher failure rate than most computer components, they are more susceptible to electrical damage from storms and simple anomalies in the phone line itself.
Why does via think that no L2 cache is a good thing? I know that it costs a lot but Intel learned really quick when the first Celerons really sucked.
What was it that i always heard about history and repitition?
I've seen a lot of posts here about how he installed Mandrake instead or RedHat. If any of you that were so quick to point that out... Redhat wouldn't install on a machine that failed to POST either. The guy here (at least I thought) made it clear that it was a hardware problem.
No OS runs on a computer that will not power on.
This is what I've been waiting for. Tiny little portable computers that hvae some horsepower. I've read up on the Itsy and such and really liked it and couldn't wait for a real product to come out. It's starting to look like a reality.
And Linux is a HUGE plus.
I just gave it a shot and it's kind of weird to use. I like the idea... but What good is the free speech if it's nearly inaccesible?
Apparently to read a document you have to know the full URL which is HUGE. And since there is no search You can't find things on the subject of say... "Search and Seizure." You would have to wade through the web and find a link to the Publius Document.
The encryption and the anonymity are great. And i understand not having a search function... but I think that it is at the expense of ease of use and actually getting the free speech "heard".
I've seen a surprising amount of crashed windows billboards. I saw one in New York while attending Linux World and 2600 had one the same month that Netware 5 came out.
There are so many complaints about the duplication of effort that goes on in the open source community but everyone is ready to get behind projects like this and that open source windows project.
Yes I see the benifits of "emulating" a complete machine (yes, i am speaking english.) I have used VMware, I've used Softwin. It has a use... but it's been done.
The entire point that I'm trying to make is that we need to move on.
I've simply been offering an opinion and I'm not alone... This paper about computing form a Yale professor.
I realise that most people in this community are passionate abou tnearly everything and this too. However we are holding ourselves back.
virtual machine == emulating a machine
This is really starting to be annoying. We are completely holding ourselves back by emulating everything that we can get a hold of.
If I need to slowly run old DOS apps... I'l buy an old 486 for $30. If for some reason I want to run windows... I'll jsut buy a copy of windows.
Every step that we have taken forward lately is also a step back because we are refusing to let the legacy stuff be that... just a legacy. There is no need for ISA slots on a motherboard. We are so worried about vendors not recompiling software that we have kept the crappy x86 processors around WAY longer than they should have.
Just like the OpenWin project that was mentioned earlier, it's a waste of time and talent. There are so many areas of computing that could be impproved on but so many people just want to recode the same thigns over and over.
damn <b> tag
Sorry
Actually if you would have read the article
... They talked about cross referencing the email address and real address. If they weren't associated, how would hte get the email printed and delivered to the right house?