Was your AOL-Time Warner-Bertelsmann
reference part of the joke?
But if you look at www.aol.co.uk scroll down to the bottom of the page where the copyright disclaimer is and you can see that they're already partners in europe:)
As for 3 subscribers, you've gotta be joking- hmm then again. There's a lot of (better) free alternatives out there:)
Now I've just gotta get out of the shock of a non goatse first post:)
Personally I've not used Napster for ages, I dunno if things have improved but last time I looked you couldn't do things such as resume partially downloaded files.
I quite like the audiogalaxy software. Basically you download their piece of software called the "satellite" and you then use a web based interfact to select what songs you want to download, then without hassle it downloads the songs without further interaction. As it's web based you can do it all remotely so if you're at work you can remotely log into the website and set more songs downloading on your cable connection at home. It resumes partial downloads and is available for both Linux and Windows (closed source tho at the moment).
I know that, but the point I was getting at is productivity is important, ok reducing strain is too but it takes a while for people to get used to these new keyboards and then when they are used to them they are very unproductive using the old keyboards.
It's going to take a while before these keyboards get widely accepted for that reason.
A big push will have to be made with computer suppliers and businesses to support them as their standard keyboards with QWERTY as an option.
But it'd need the support of almost every major keyboard manufacturer to take off.
Personally I believe you're more productive with what you're used to. I still use a normal size qwerty keyboard and am perfectly happy. I once used a MS Natural Keyboard and I just couldn't get used it it. Some people find these more useful, I suppose it depends on how used to these keyboards you are.
I've seen people who have changed to a different keyboard layout altogether DVORAK or whatever it's called, it takes them ages to get used to it and then when they have to use a QWERTY keyboard then they're typing speed goes downhill as they've got used to the new layout.
Know one keyboard layout and know it well, unfortunately that means we're stuck with QWERTY for the most part.
As Komodo is mozilla based there has to be a way of making a smaller download available to those with Mozilla already installed on their machines. I understand the reason they're doing it at the moment, both Mozilla and Komodo are at an unfinished state so they want to make sure people are running komodo with a particular build of mozilla so it's easier to find out with the bugs are in komodo or mozilla.
But hopefully by the final release you'll be able to download a much smaller version that doesn't include to mozilla component so Mozilla users won't needlessly have two copies of moz on their hard drive. The same should apply to all Mozilla based products.
Also does anyone know why you need IE5 installed to view the release notes in Windows? Is this a requirement of MS's own installer that activestate uses?
Michael sounds like he's spreading FUD: "Looks very promising; I hope it doesn't suffer from the problems that certain other Mozilla-based products do."
Can he please name this "certain other product" I'd like to know.
I still remember reading on Telewest's Cable Internet site back in 1996 (of course that page isn't there any more) that Cable modems would be out in summer 1997 and would be 2Mbit/s download and 512K/sec upload. So it hits 2000 and Telewest launch their blueyonder cable modem service and it's only claiming to offer 512K down and 128K up. To make things worse they only will install the system for you if your PC meets their requirements which includes having to have Win 9x installed (NT and 2000 coming soon). So I've gotta install Win98 on this machine before they'll install my cable modem:( - it uses DHCP and can be easily set up by myself to use Linux so why can't they just put the 'modem' in and let me install it ffs.
Well anyway, how does this relate to ADSL, well if Telewest had got their act together and launched cable modems when promised then BT would have had competition on their hands a lot sooner and vice versa, if BT had got ADSL out the door quicker then Telewest would have to compete.
People were beta testing Telewest cable modems back in 1996, perhaps if Telewest had got their act together they'd have had a great broadband service by 1997, be way ahead of their competition and not in so much financial difficulty which meant that now they're part owned by Microsoft - prior to that Telewest was never an MS butt kisser until MS became a part owner, now things obviously are different.
So now we've got the choice of two evils in my area MS/Telewest and BT. Ahh well if Telewest had got their act together earlier things could be so different...
I have to agree that the Mozilla and Linux source code can be very confusing to someone even a very experienced programmer. Mozilla.org have a lot of documentation on their website about getting started and have newsgroups and an IRC server where you can ask questions. There's a lot of small areas you may be able to help in with the Mozilla project, so have a read around the website and then when you feel confident ask for help on IRC or the newsgroups. The news server is news.mozilla.org and irc is irc.mozilla.org (channels #mozillazine and #mozilla are the recommended ones). Most people you find are more than willing to help, but sometimes if there's a lot of deadlines then you may not get a reply immediately.
Perhaps if you want to work on a smaller Mozilla related project check out MozDev however most of these are projects that build on top of Mozilla using XUL and js.
Alternatively why not look on a site such as sourceforge and look for a smaller open source project you can help out with.
As I mention in a post further down the page, it did work. I've only got the Linux version but I'll try and mirror it somewhere. Email me if you want to know when I get a mirror up.
Alternatively you might as well just go here and download the latest Mozilla builds which is better in all respects (unless you need AOL IM integrated with your browser) and then just get the Netscape throbber from a N6 preview release and swap it with the Mozilla ones then you do have the best of all worlds.
Once again sorry for letting you all down - it did work for hours after me submitting it but then they must have realised.
I would like to explain that the links for the FTP server did work when I posted the links to slashdot and I've downloaded the Linux version to prove it (I can mirror later if people ask), unfortunately I didn't grab the win version at the time.
It looks like Netscape has but the release up on their FTP server but didn't want it for public viewing yet. At the time it was wide open, now they've made it permission denied until they finally release it.
My view of the Linux version - better than previous Netscape previews but the latest Mozilla nightly is still way ahead. I got a few crashes on this release which I've not had with the latest Mozilla's but overall the Netscape release seems OK.
One prob with the Linux version is it still spouts all the messages to stdout/stderr if you run it in an xterm - for a supposedly released product to say things like "we don't support eBorderStyle - please fix me" seems a bit unprofessional. Perhaps they'll fix this in the next few days before they open up their FTP servers again. I sent feedback to them about it on their feedback form, all they need to do is to get their shell script that starts mozilla-bin to redirect all output to/dev/null not exactly a high risk fix.
Anyway sorry for the disappointent caused, this FTP server worked for hours after I submitted the story
I know it's expensive these things normally are due to the following reasons:
1) The cost of a venue - London venues are expensive
2) The cost of the speaker
3) The cost of promotion / expenses
These events are the sort of thing that you get your company to pay for if you're working, the whole choice of venue is chosen to keep the bosses happy. If we had a cheap venue the average narrow minded boss would think this isn't going to be any good and is not going to shell out for it. These events are only designed to cater for small amounts of delegates so the chance to ask individual questions is there.
If this event was run by a commercial organisation rather than a non profit org (the UKUUG) then the prices would be even higher, we just aim to cover costs and believe me they're expensive.
Prices in London for a decent venue are a rip off compared to other places in the UK.
There's a DNS Tutorial by Jim Reid of Nominum the copany responsible for the offical support of BIND. I assume he'll be mentioning the changes in BIND 9 at this event.
Well if you ever read the official style guide for The Guradian which is one of the UK's quality broadsheet papers you'll see what they think about the use of words like fuck - don't use them needlessly but don't censor them, it's just a copout.
If a mainstream newspaper has this policy why can't slashdot, censoring words is lame.
swearwords
We are more liberal than any other newspaper, using words such as cunt and fuck that most of our competitors would not use, even in direct quotes
The editor's guidelines are straightforward:
First, remember the reader, and respect demands that we should not casually use words that are likely to offend
Second, use such words only when absolutely necessary to the facts of a piece, or to portray a character in an article; there is almost never a case in which we need to use a swearword outside direct quotes
Third, the stronger the swearword, the harder we ought to think about using it
Finally, never use asterisks, which are just a copout
OK, I didn't say they did, and I definitely didn't say they shouldn't. Put the point I'm getting at is that this sounded like a very commercial press release when they're just an open source project. I think both projects should try and get along, there's no such thing as 'the best' desktop environment so it's all a matter of user opinion. We need both to succeed so that we can have a choice and competition is good. As KDE isn't going to gain anything from people using GNOME it shouldn't try to place into peoples minds that GNOME is inferior (let them disover for themselves what they think).
No the GNOME foundation doesn't affect us. We're better so people will use us. GNOME has a lot of catching up to do.
OK whether or not KDE is better is a matter of opinion what they've said just sounds like something a big corporation would write about its rival rather than what you'd expect from an open source project.
Can't they word the statement along the lines of:
The GNOME foundation will have no effect on KDE development. Out aim is to provide a desktop environment which is the best on offer but we wish the GNOME foundation all the success for the future and it's great to be able to have a choice.
It's not like KDE's in it for the money so why make their official statement sound like a marketing press release?
OK it's disappointing but I wouldn't say it's unusual. There's a lot of situations where Linux is used serverside but it's not supported on the client side. Hopefully with enough demand they'll realise that not supporting Linux based clients was the wrong thing to do. (please note: don't flame them give them valid reasons for them to support Linux. M$ $ux, Linux rules is not going to do any good, neither is Support Linux or I'll pour a bowl of hot grits down your pants.)
Yet again we see some company with a fairly obvious patent trying to stifle their competitors by suing them for using their patented technology. In the area of computers we don't need patents as they cause more harm than good. Just imagine if someone creates a new piece of hardware with functionality that you couldn't imagine at the moment. They then patent the idea, another company comes up with an idea to improve upon this but can't do anything as it violates the patent.
If we really must have patents on hardware and software then we should reduce the amount of time they're valid for as this is a very fast moving industry.
It sucked more than I even remembered;)
BTW http://www.dataservcorp.com/windows.htm has a history of MS-DOS/Windows and has screenshots for V2 V3 and V3.11 too.
hehe, that's straight out of the Bill Gates marketing book! At least Bill knew that his was the first internet ready OS, the UNIX systems that were on the internet before then just weren't ready for it were they? IE2 was also ahead of its times with support for things like the marquee tag which made Netscape innovations such as frames and tables.
Ahh well you can tell from your post you were taking the piss. Mark the AC as funny:)
Anyone gotta link to some screenshots of Windows 1.0 - I've seen it before and it was a joke, I wonder if the people who haven't seen it have realised how bad it was. Windows 3.1 was a big improvement on it's previous versions. It sucked (badly) but it sucked a lot less! I didn't start using Linux until aroung the time Win95 came out. Hmm if Linux development started a bit earlier or had gained momentum quicker it's growth would have been amazing.
In a few year time the average member of the public will be convinced that Windows was the first OS, DOS didn't exist and Microsoft invented the Internet in association with Al Gore.
I've seen a serious answer to the question somewhere but can't remember what it was. I'll have a dig about and if I find something I'll let you know:)
It's so much easier when in work to look up the news on the computer rather than watch the news. With online news you also have to watch what they think your interested in where online you can skip what doesn't interest you or explore the subject deeper by looking at related sites. When you're at work there's often no chance to see the TV but when you work with computers then the internet is there for you.
I think out of all the old media methods or bringing the news the radio is the best one as it's so easy to carry on whatever you're doing (driving, working, etc) while still being able to listen.
So now all we have to do is find a way to make bones tranparent and all the internal organs transparent and then we'll be able to make people invisible;)
Ahh well we can only imagine!
Slashdot Mirror
Was your AOL-Time Warner-Bertelsmann
:)
:)
:)
reference part of the joke?
But if you look at www.aol.co.uk scroll down to the bottom of the page where the copyright disclaimer is and you can see that they're already partners in europe
As for 3 subscribers, you've gotta be joking- hmm then again. There's a lot of (better) free alternatives out there
Now I've just gotta get out of the shock of a non goatse first post
I quite like the audiogalaxy software. Basically you download their piece of software called the "satellite" and you then use a web based interfact to select what songs you want to download, then without hassle it downloads the songs without further interaction. As it's web based you can do it all remotely so if you're at work you can remotely log into the website and set more songs downloading on your cable connection at home. It resumes partial downloads and is available for both Linux and Windows (closed source tho at the moment).
I know that, but the point I was getting at is productivity is important, ok reducing strain is too but it takes a while for people to get used to these new keyboards and then when they are used to them they are very unproductive using the old keyboards.
It's going to take a while before these keyboards get widely accepted for that reason.
A big push will have to be made with computer suppliers and businesses to support them as their standard keyboards with QWERTY as an option.
But it'd need the support of almost every major keyboard manufacturer to take off.
I've seen people who have changed to a different keyboard layout altogether DVORAK or whatever it's called, it takes them ages to get used to it and then when they have to use a QWERTY keyboard then they're typing speed goes downhill as they've got used to the new layout.
Know one keyboard layout and know it well, unfortunately that means we're stuck with QWERTY for the most part.
Win cash with online games - a good test of Java support and plugins under Mozilla :)
As Komodo is mozilla based there has to be a way of making a smaller download available to those with Mozilla already installed on their machines. I understand the reason they're doing it at the moment, both Mozilla and Komodo are at an unfinished state so they want to make sure people are running komodo with a particular build of mozilla so it's easier to find out with the bugs are in komodo or mozilla.
But hopefully by the final release you'll be able to download a much smaller version that doesn't include to mozilla component so Mozilla users won't needlessly have two copies of moz on their hard drive. The same should apply to all Mozilla based products.
Also does anyone know why you need IE5 installed to view the release notes in Windows? Is this a requirement of MS's own installer that activestate uses?
Michael sounds like he's spreading FUD: "Looks very promising; I hope it doesn't suffer from the problems that certain other Mozilla-based products do."
Can he please name this "certain other product" I'd like to know.
Is gnu.org gonna remove all hyperlinks from their pages and put up a message "No hyperlinks due to patent problems" :)
I still remember reading on Telewest's Cable Internet site back in 1996 (of course that page isn't there any more) that Cable modems would be out in summer 1997 and would be 2Mbit/s download and 512K/sec upload. So it hits 2000 and Telewest launch their blueyonder cable modem service and it's only claiming to offer 512K down and 128K up. To make things worse they only will install the system for you if your PC meets their requirements which includes having to have Win 9x installed (NT and 2000 coming soon). So I've gotta install Win98 on this machine before they'll install my cable modem :( - it uses DHCP and can be easily set up by myself to use Linux so why can't they just put the 'modem' in and let me install it ffs.
Well anyway, how does this relate to ADSL, well if Telewest had got their act together and launched cable modems when promised then BT would have had competition on their hands a lot sooner and vice versa, if BT had got ADSL out the door quicker then Telewest would have to compete.
People were beta testing Telewest cable modems back in 1996, perhaps if Telewest had got their act together they'd have had a great broadband service by 1997, be way ahead of their competition and not in so much financial difficulty which meant that now they're part owned by Microsoft - prior to that Telewest was never an MS butt kisser until MS became a part owner, now things obviously are different.
So now we've got the choice of two evils in my area MS/Telewest and BT. Ahh well if Telewest had got their act together earlier things could be so different...
Perhaps if you want to work on a smaller Mozilla related project check out MozDev however most of these are projects that build on top of Mozilla using XUL and js.
Alternatively why not look on a site such as sourceforge and look for a smaller open source project you can help out with.
Sun is helping them with the porting for it:
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/netscape/
Alternatively you might as well just go here and download the latest Mozilla builds which is better in all respects (unless you need AOL IM integrated with your browser) and then just get the Netscape throbber from a N6 preview release and swap it with the Mozilla ones then you do have the best of all worlds.
Once again sorry for letting you all down - it did work for hours after me submitting it but then they must have realised.
It looks like Netscape has but the release up on their FTP server but didn't want it for public viewing yet. At the time it was wide open, now they've made it permission denied until they finally release it.
My view of the Linux version - better than previous Netscape previews but the latest Mozilla nightly is still way ahead. I got a few crashes on this release which I've not had with the latest Mozilla's but overall the Netscape release seems OK.
One prob with the Linux version is it still spouts all the messages to stdout/stderr if you run it in an xterm - for a supposedly released product to say things like "we don't support eBorderStyle - please fix me" seems a bit unprofessional. Perhaps they'll fix this in the next few days before they open up their FTP servers again. I sent feedback to them about it on their feedback form, all they need to do is to get their shell script that starts mozilla-bin to redirect all output to /dev/null not exactly a high risk fix.
Anyway sorry for the disappointent caused, this FTP server worked for hours after I submitted the story
Dave
I know it's expensive these things normally are due to the following reasons:
1) The cost of a venue - London venues are expensive
2) The cost of the speaker
3) The cost of promotion / expenses
These events are the sort of thing that you get your company to pay for if you're working, the whole choice of venue is chosen to keep the bosses happy. If we had a cheap venue the average narrow minded boss would think this isn't going to be any good and is not going to shell out for it. These events are only designed to cater for small amounts of delegates so the chance to ask individual questions is there.
If this event was run by a commercial organisation rather than a non profit org (the UKUUG) then the prices would be even higher, we just aim to cover costs and believe me they're expensive.
Prices in London for a decent venue are a rip off compared to other places in the UK.
There's a DNS Tutorial by Jim Reid of Nominum the copany responsible for the offical support of BIND. I assume he'll be mentioning the changes in BIND 9 at this event.
If a mainstream newspaper has this policy why can't slashdot, censoring words is lame.
swearwords
We are more liberal than any other newspaper, using words such as cunt and fuck that most of our competitors would not use, even in direct quotes
The editor's guidelines are straightforward:
First, remember the reader, and respect demands that we should not casually use words that are likely to offend
Second, use such words only when absolutely necessary to the facts of a piece, or to portray a character in an article; there is almost never a case in which we need to use a swearword outside direct quotes
Third, the stronger the swearword, the harder we ought to think about using it
Finally, never use asterisks, which are just a copout
OK, I didn't say they did, and I definitely didn't say they shouldn't. Put the point I'm getting at is that this sounded like a very commercial press release when they're just an open source project. I think both projects should try and get along, there's no such thing as 'the best' desktop environment so it's all a matter of user opinion. We need both to succeed so that we can have a choice and competition is good. As KDE isn't going to gain anything from people using GNOME it shouldn't try to place into peoples minds that GNOME is inferior (let them disover for themselves what they think).
No the GNOME foundation doesn't affect us. We're better so people will use us. GNOME has a lot of catching up to do.
OK whether or not KDE is better is a matter of opinion what they've said just sounds like something a big corporation would write about its rival rather than what you'd expect from an open source project.
Can't they word the statement along the lines of:
The GNOME foundation will have no effect on KDE development. Out aim is to provide a desktop environment which is the best on offer but we wish the GNOME foundation all the success for the future and it's great to be able to have a choice.
It's not like KDE's in it for the money so why make their official statement sound like a marketing press release?
OK it's disappointing but I wouldn't say it's unusual. There's a lot of situations where Linux is used serverside but it's not supported on the client side. Hopefully with enough demand they'll realise that not supporting Linux based clients was the wrong thing to do. (please note: don't flame them give them valid reasons for them to support Linux. M$ $ux, Linux rules is not going to do any good, neither is Support Linux or I'll pour a bowl of hot grits down your pants.)
Yet again we see some company with a fairly obvious patent trying to stifle their competitors by suing them for using their patented technology. In the area of computers we don't need patents as they cause more harm than good. Just imagine if someone creates a new piece of hardware with functionality that you couldn't imagine at the moment. They then patent the idea, another company comes up with an idea to improve upon this but can't do anything as it violates the patent.
If we really must have patents on hardware and software then we should reduce the amount of time they're valid for as this is a very fast moving industry.
It sucked more than I even remembered ;)
BTW http://www.dataservcorp.com/windows.htm has a history of MS-DOS/Windows and has screenshots for V2 V3 and V3.11 too.
hehe, that's straight out of the Bill Gates marketing book! At least Bill knew that his was the first internet ready OS, the UNIX systems that were on the internet before then just weren't ready for it were they? IE2 was also ahead of its times with support for things like the marquee tag which made Netscape innovations such as frames and tables.
:)
Ahh well you can tell from your post you were taking the piss. Mark the AC as funny
Anyone gotta link to some screenshots of Windows 1.0 - I've seen it before and it was a joke, I wonder if the people who haven't seen it have realised how bad it was. Windows 3.1 was a big improvement on it's previous versions. It sucked (badly) but it sucked a lot less! I didn't start using Linux until aroung the time Win95 came out. Hmm if Linux development started a bit earlier or had gained momentum quicker it's growth would have been amazing.
In a few year time the average member of the public will be convinced that Windows was the first OS, DOS didn't exist and Microsoft invented the Internet in association with Al Gore.
:)
I've seen a serious answer to the question somewhere but can't remember what it was. I'll have a dig about and if I find something I'll let you know
It's so much easier when in work to look up the news on the computer rather than watch the news. With online news you also have to watch what they think your interested in where online you can skip what doesn't interest you or explore the subject deeper by looking at related sites. When you're at work there's often no chance to see the TV but when you work with computers then the internet is there for you.
I think out of all the old media methods or bringing the news the radio is the best one as it's so easy to carry on whatever you're doing (driving, working, etc) while still being able to listen.
Yeah but the thought of seeing a half digested McDonald's is enough to make anyone feel sick ;)
So now all we have to do is find a way to make bones tranparent and all the internal organs transparent and then we'll be able to make people invisible ;)
Ahh well we can only imagine!