I understand why Galeon was put under GPL, it was to keep the same licence as other Gnome components and at the time Mozilla weren't talking about dual licensing. Now that they want to dual licence Mozilla under MPL and GPL wouldn't it help both projects if they dual licenced k meleon and at the moment it's probably illegal to distribute the GPL and MPL components together (read the post by a Galeon developer). I think whenever possible licence compatibility should be maintained and in this case should be dual GPL/MPL.
(and it's the GNU General Public Licence (not the GNU private licence;) or the GNU Public Licence)
BTW I'm not spelling licence wrong it's one of the words that differ in the UK.
Well for all purposes the Galeon project is coming along well so should provide an excellent Mozilla based browser with a native GTK wrapper so the browser is going to look like the rest of the GTK apps. Hopefully one of the big companies will plough some resources behind galeon and make it a top class browser for people who don't want everything Mozilla has to offer (personally I do, well the xptoolkit stuff anyway). It'd also be good to see a lot more companies backing Mozilla, perhaps they could work in the following areas:
1) Performance of Mozilla on Linux (already improving rapidly)
2) Making the xptoolkit be able to recognise GTK themes in addition to Mozilla themes (a bit like KDE2 is meant to be able to).
who's gonna write the first mozilla based application that takes advantage of this:-)
(now someone is gonna read this and write an article saying that mozilla is spending too much time on voxels and not enough on writing a web browser!)
As I'm not a graphics programmer the significance of this has went over my head but I'm sure all these gamers out there will be able to benefit from this. The more accelerated hardware for doing things like this has to be a good idea as software rendering is very CPU intensive.
Not forgetting the most important question, which chips perform better on distributed.net (some perform really well because they have highly optimised cores!).
Ah well stay behind the cutting edge and you can find yourself some really good cpu's that are good enough for normal use.
All processor upgrades seem to give you very little performance gain compared to what you expect them to give you because the CPU is not the major performance bottleneck of the machine. The biggest offender is the hard disk drive which explains why things run so slow when you have to rely on virtual memory. The amount of idle time my distributed.net client gets on a 266MHz machine when in normal use is amazing, you may need faster machines to play games on but for normal use (at least in Linux) it still performs well. So should I buy one? Perhaps if I want better distributed.net stats but that's about it. We need something more than increased clock speed to make it worthh upgrading.
If you've installed Mozilla (or Netscape 6) before (or you think someone else has on your machine) try the following: delete the C:\windows\mozregistry.dat file. This may solve the problems you are having.
Otherwise start with mozilla.exe -console and see if there's any useful info in the console. Try reading the release notes and if you can't solve the problem report a bug to mozilla.org/
What are you talking about? Are you even being serious or just a troll. I was at the UKUUG Linux 2000 conference this weekend that had many debian people there and not one word of a demise was mentioned.
So basically, this looks like another troll but I thought I'd point that out just in case anyone believed him. --
Despite the fact that they were going down anyway many people will still see this as evidence the open source business model doesn't work.
They have also done a lot of good work on wine so I definitely hope that they'll survive and ultimately do well, however I've heard a lot of people saying that it's they're management that are bringing them down so if that's the case there may be no hope for them, and if it is the case we have to make sure people understand it wasn't because they were promoting free software.
Given good management and a good product it's definitely possible to make money from free software it's just in other areas than selling the software, but most of you know that anyway. --
Just a quick question can you use the back/forward buttons under Netscape or is this an IE only feature? Also do any Linux apps make use of them (or even able to make use of them)? --
they're not real native widgets just graphical lookalikes but they provide a big improvement over the old widgets IMHO.
BTW to switch to the classic skin download the latest nightly from mozilla.org and then go to Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Themes - select classic and click apply theme.
I think the classic theme should be made the default in future. --
It's a step in the right direction but is it far enough? Only time can tell but I suspect this token gesture won't go far enough. ESR is only going to be one voice in the wilderness, how is he going to make the whole of the US patent office change their ways? We need a radical reform of the patent system (and scrapping software patents immediately) and if we do have to keep patents due to the fast moving nature of the computer industry computer related patents that are granted should not be for as long a period as a normal patent, a year should be enough otherwise innovation will be held back. --
I mentioned in an earlier post about the image and cookie management features in Mozilla (Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Cookies and Images). These make it fairly simple to the moderate to advanced user to block the most frequently annoying ads (doubleclick.net, etc) however still above the level of the newbie.
What I'd like to see is an ISP that promotes itself by offering an ad blocking service (using something such as the Junkbuster proxy as these ads are very irritating to those on slow connections, however I never block ads myself as I understand how many sites would not be able to operate without the income these generate, but if I was on a modem then I'd see things differently particularly if I was paying call charges.
I'd also like to see a feature where Mozilla could automatically download a blocklist from a user specified central server periodically. This would be for blocking ad images and perhaps cookies and not websites. This feature would havew to be switched on by the user and they could select the server they trust to maintain the blocklist (or companies and organisations could maintain their own). --
If you want to filter banner ads out a simple way to do it with most browsers is to use the Internet Junkbuster filtering proxy, or if you're using a fairly recent release of Mozilla you can use their image manager (Edit | Advanced | Cookies and Images or Tasks | Privacy | Image Manager) which lets you specify hosts that you'd rather not display images (such as ads.doubleclick.net), or you can only allow images that appear from the site you're viewing or you can selectively allow images by means of an interactive dialog (a similar management system applies for cookies). Hopefully the image manager will be included with the next release of Netscape 6 as it's a useful ad blocking feature. --
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There was a bug reported about this yesterday (about a nightly build rather than M15 but it seems the same problem).
It would help the Mozilla team find the cause of the bug (they can't reproduce it on their setup) if you could add additional information about the setup of your machine (i.e. what graphics cards you have installed, etc) - also mention that you're using M15 rather than a nightly build.
As most of these new game systems have internet access it would be great if these systems shipped with the distributed.net client (obviously they'd have to be ported) which would run in the background helping the distributed.net cause. As long as it was optional I can't see the problem. A lot of people don't know about distributed.net and thia would be an interesting way of increasing it's popularity and helping to get RC5 completed sooner as well as work on the more useful OGR challenge when it's relaunched. -- Make use of your spare CPU time!
It appears in this build for these finger and daytime links to work you need to right click on them and open them in a new window. -- Make use of your spare CPU time!
As well as the protocols you'd expect to be supported some outside contributors have also added the daytime protocol (although they've wrongly called it the datetime protocol) and the finger protocol. There has also been work at implementing the IRC protocol.
Daytime (site may be down in a few hours though so if it doesn't load it's probably not mozilla)
I can see a use for the finger protocol (if all major web browsers end up supporting it there'd be no need for those finger CGI scripts that people use to view.plan files on the web)
Talkback seems to work most of the time for me, although there's a few times where it's crashed and talkback hasn't appeared (but it's rare).
The main problem for me is that sometimes it's not possible to connect to the talkback server (it's either down or M14 is crashing a lot and it's gettting slashdotted). Hopefully they'll make sure their talkback servers working by the time they officially announce this on mozilla.org
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I understand why Galeon was put under GPL, it was to keep the same licence as other Gnome components and at the time Mozilla weren't talking about dual licensing. Now that they want to dual licence Mozilla under MPL and GPL wouldn't it help both projects if they dual licenced k meleon and at the moment it's probably illegal to distribute the GPL and MPL components together (read the post by a Galeon developer). I think whenever possible licence compatibility should be maintained and in this case should be dual GPL/MPL.
;) or the GNU Public Licence)
(and it's the GNU General Public Licence (not the GNU private licence
BTW I'm not spelling licence wrong it's one of the words that differ in the UK.
Well for all purposes the Galeon project is coming along well so should provide an excellent Mozilla based browser with a native GTK wrapper so the browser is going to look like the rest of the GTK apps. Hopefully one of the big companies will plough some resources behind galeon and make it a top class browser for people who don't want everything Mozilla has to offer (personally I do, well the xptoolkit stuff anyway). It'd also be good to see a lot more companies backing Mozilla, perhaps they could work in the following areas:
1) Performance of Mozilla on Linux (already improving rapidly)
2) Making the xptoolkit be able to recognise GTK themes in addition to Mozilla themes (a bit like KDE2 is meant to be able to).
I never knew the prices were getting that low, thanks :-)
Well when you don't have enough memory hard disk is the huge bottleneck like you've more or less said!
Way OT but in the UK the accelerator is on the right. It's the pedal nearest the door.
who's gonna write the first mozilla based application that takes advantage of this :-)
(now someone is gonna read this and write an article saying that mozilla is spending too much time on voxels and not enough on writing a web browser!)
As I'm not a graphics programmer the significance of this has went over my head but I'm sure all these gamers out there will be able to benefit from this. The more accelerated hardware for doing things like this has to be a good idea as software rendering is very CPU intensive.
I think people will only get that joke in the UK :) As it's opel in the rest of europe and GM (I think) in the US.
Not forgetting the most important question, which chips perform better on distributed.net (some perform really well because they have highly optimised cores!).
Ah well stay behind the cutting edge and you can find yourself some really good cpu's that are good enough for normal use.
All processor upgrades seem to give you very little performance gain compared to what you expect them to give you because the CPU is not the major performance bottleneck of the machine. The biggest offender is the hard disk drive which explains why things run so slow when you have to rely on virtual memory. The amount of idle time my distributed.net client gets on a 266MHz machine when in normal use is amazing, you may need faster machines to play games on but for normal use (at least in Linux) it still performs well. So should I buy one? Perhaps if I want better distributed.net stats but that's about it. We need something more than increased clock speed to make it worthh upgrading.
If you've installed Mozilla (or Netscape 6) before (or you think someone else has on your machine) try the following: delete the C:\windows\mozregistry.dat file. This may solve the problems you are having.
Otherwise start with mozilla.exe -console and see if there's any useful info in the console. Try reading the release notes and if you can't solve the problem report a bug to mozilla.org/
What are you talking about? Are you even being serious or just a troll. I was at the UKUUG Linux 2000 conference this weekend that had many debian people there and not one word of a demise was mentioned.
So basically, this looks like another troll but I thought I'd point that out just in case anyone believed him.
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Very, very true. But I can imagine many people saying that their embracing of open source (wine and Linux) was part of their downfall.
We know that's rubbish, but many people will believe that (the same people who buy commercial prepacked software as they want "someone to sue")
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Despite the fact that they were going down anyway many people will still see this as evidence the open source business model doesn't work.
They have also done a lot of good work on wine so I definitely hope that they'll survive and ultimately do well, however I've heard a lot of people saying that it's they're management that are bringing them down so if that's the case there may be no hope for them, and if it is the case we have to make sure people understand it wasn't because they were promoting free software.
Given good management and a good product it's definitely possible to make money from free software it's just in other areas than selling the software, but most of you know that anyway.
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Just a quick question can you use the back/forward buttons under Netscape or is this an IE only feature? Also do any Linux apps make use of them (or even able to make use of them)?
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There's a program called sftp in the ssh package that lets you do file transfers over ssh.
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they're not real native widgets just graphical lookalikes but they provide a big improvement over the old widgets IMHO.
BTW to switch to the classic skin download the latest nightly from mozilla.org and then go to Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Themes - select classic and click apply theme.
I think the classic theme should be made the default in future.
--
It's a step in the right direction but is it far enough? Only time can tell but I suspect this token gesture won't go far enough. ESR is only going to be one voice in the wilderness, how is he going to make the whole of the US patent office change their ways? We need a radical reform of the patent system (and scrapping software patents immediately) and if we do have to keep patents due to the fast moving nature of the computer industry computer related patents that are granted should not be for as long a period as a normal patent, a year should be enough otherwise innovation will be held back.
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What I'd like to see is an ISP that promotes itself by offering an ad blocking service (using something such as the Junkbuster proxy as these ads are very irritating to those on slow connections, however I never block ads myself as I understand how many sites would not be able to operate without the income these generate, but if I was on a modem then I'd see things differently particularly if I was paying call charges.
I'd also like to see a feature where Mozilla could automatically download a blocklist from a user specified central server periodically. This would be for blocking ad images and perhaps cookies and not websites. This feature would havew to be switched on by the user and they could select the server they trust to maintain the blocklist (or companies and organisations could maintain their own).
--
If you want to filter banner ads out a simple way to do it with most browsers is to use the Internet Junkbuster filtering proxy, or if you're using a fairly recent release of Mozilla you can use their image manager (Edit | Advanced | Cookies and Images or Tasks | Privacy | Image Manager) which lets you specify hosts that you'd rather not display images (such as ads.doubleclick.net), or you can only allow images that appear from the site you're viewing or you can selectively allow images by means of an interactive dialog (a similar management system applies for cookies). Hopefully the image manager will be included with the next release of Netscape 6 as it's a useful ad blocking feature.
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It would help the Mozilla team find the cause of the bug (they can't reproduce it on their setup) if you could add additional information about the setup of your machine (i.e. what graphics cards you have installed, etc) - also mention that you're using M15 rather than a nightly build.
The link for the bug is http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_ bug.cgi?id=36239 please register a bugzilla account and add your comments.
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Make use of your spare CPU time!
As most of these new game systems have internet access it would be great if these systems shipped with the distributed.net client (obviously they'd have to be ported) which would run in the background helping the distributed.net cause.
As long as it was optional I can't see the problem. A lot of people don't know about distributed.net and thia would be an interesting way of increasing it's popularity and helping to get RC5 completed sooner as well as work on the more useful OGR challenge when it's relaunched.
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Make use of your spare CPU time!
The reasons for glibc2.0 not being supported are ">here.
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Make use of your spare CPU time!
It appears in this build for these finger and daytime links to work you need to right click on them and open them in a new window.
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Make use of your spare CPU time!
Try clicking on the following links in Mozilla:
Finger
Daytime (site may be down in a few hours though so if it doesn't load it's probably not mozilla)
I can see a use for the finger protocol (if all major web browsers end up supporting it there'd be no need for those finger CGI scripts that people use to view
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Make use of your spare CPU time!
Talkback seems to work most of the time for me, although there's a few times where it's crashed and talkback hasn't appeared (but it's rare).
The main problem for me is that sometimes it's not possible to connect to the talkback server (it's either down or M14 is crashing a lot and it's gettting slashdotted). Hopefully they'll make sure their talkback servers working by the time they officially announce this on mozilla.org
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Make use of your spare CPU time!