I use MacPerl to develop the very site you're posting on... does that count?:)
Sure, you can't fork, but that's rarely needed. I do command-line stuff with MacPerl (both via ToolServer in BBEdit and in MPW) often. And I use Mac::Glue to do whatever I might want to do in AppleScript, without AppleScript's performance penalties or horrific syntax.;-)
For example, I have here a little script where MacPerl on my Mac OS box talks to my Mac OS X box and asks iTunes on Mac OS X what track is currently playing, and then it drops that information into my clipboard.
NP: It's Alright For You - The Police (Message In A Box - Disc 1)
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Because Mac OS X perl doesn't (yet) have hooks into the Mac OS API.
saint, I am in the "Give me Mac OS 9 or give me death" camp too. It's not odd. It is expected: the users who have been deeply ingrained in Mac OS for years -- 16 years for me, now -- don't want to switch to a whole new OS. I am far more efficient on Mac OS 9 than on Mac OS X. I may make the switch eventually, but for most old users -- even like me who use Unix all the time -- the benefits of Mac OS X simply don't match the costs. Hopefully someday they will.
Anyone who sends CD-Rs and Zips out and back in to their machine has no excuse for leaving autostart on, and Apple has no excuse for shipping the OS with those on by default, escpecially with the problems it has caused over the years.
Totally agreed. I just did a clean install of 9.2.2 on a graphite iBook, and I didn't touch those settings, so I went to double-check the default before posting the story. Sure enough, it still defaults to AutoPlay on. Bah.
That's OK, Users & Groups usernames and passwords still aren't encrypted in Mac OS 9, either.
I don't "rip on" XPFE just because I don't use it. I "rip on" it because it doesn't look like a Mac app. Mac apps should look like Mac apps. Mozilla doesn't look like a Mac app. Therefore it's bad (for those of us who value the concistency HIG principle, anyway). MSIE, on the other hand, is a fantastic app as far as looking and acting like a Mac app. However, it is crash-happy and from Microsoft.:-)
In addition to looking wrong, it also doesn't act properly. At least it does drag and drop to the Desktop, but it lacks Keychain support, AppleScript support... bah!
Technically it's not redundant. The OS name is "Mac OS X". The version is "10.1.3". It is not "Mac OS 10.1.3" or "Mac OS X.1.3". It's "Mac OS X 10.1.3".
nyway I seen what the person is talking about in learning perl book from oreily 2nd addition the perl examples work in linux but do not seem to work from OS X stand point
It bugged me when he used map() in a void context (listing 3). It's even in the Perl FAQ that it's frowned upon.
Perhaps it is, but the primary reason it is frowned upn is because map in a void context returned a list, so it was inefficient. That behavior's been changed; map in a void context is no longer a technical problem. Now it is merely a stylistic one.
Michael, you are such an expert, I am truly in awe. You know what mistakes were made from an article. You know what mistakes Americans have and haven't learned from through ESP or fortune telling. You must have some significant security clearance because you apparently know what America is planning to do, because all indications point to us engaging in nothing like what the Russians engaged in, yet you think it will be more of the same.
Macs that can run YDL sell used for around $500 or less (I had Slash running on YDL 1.x on an iMac rev. B (G3/233, 128MB RAM)).
Many people have old usable Macs lying around collecting dust.
Many Mac users thinks Mac OS X (currently) sucks, and it is not an option. Besides, you get to use real Mac OS under YDL, while under Mac OS X you have to run your apps in Classic which, while it has obvious advantages, also has obvious disadvantages.
As to speed: Mac OS X is slower than LinuxPPC. Period. I can't give all the reasons why. But everything I do on Mac OS X is slower than on Linux (I have my PowerBook with all three OSes: YDL 2.0, Mac OS X 10.0.4, and Mac OS 9.1, tri-booting with yaboot). I compiled perl 5.7.2 the other day on each, and `sh Configure -des -Dusedevel` took about five times as long just to get started, and took about 2-3 times as long to make.
Is it HFS+? Is the running UI slowing things down even though this is running in a console? Are the compiler and shell utilities not compiled well? Is it all of these? I dunno. It is just slower. Everything is slower.
I won't even bother with why I don't like Mac OS X's UI (NeXTisms) or its Unix idiosyncracies (NeXTisms).
What I will say is that YDL 2.0 has a few glitches, yaboot was a pain to set up for some reason, but now that it is running it works well.
Of course, I still spend 95 percent of the time in Mac OS 9.1.:-)
Bulwer-Lytton has a lot of great quotes. My personal favorite is his remarkably conditional statement, "Beneath the rule of men entirely great, the pen is mightier than the sword."
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I use MacPerl to develop the very site you're posting on ... does that count? :)
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Sure, you can't fork, but that's rarely needed. I do command-line stuff with MacPerl (both via ToolServer in BBEdit and in MPW) often. And I use Mac::Glue to do whatever I might want to do in AppleScript, without AppleScript's performance penalties or horrific syntax.
For example, I have here a little script where MacPerl on my Mac OS box talks to my Mac OS X box and asks iTunes on Mac OS X what track is currently playing, and then it drops that information into my clipboard.
NP: It's Alright For You - The Police (Message In A Box - Disc 1)
Because Mac OS X perl doesn't (yet) have hooks into the Mac OS API.
Nah, that's just a half-joke. The additions to the maint-5.6 tree over the last year since the 5.6.1 release have all been bugfixes and minor changes.
saint, I am in the "Give me Mac OS 9 or give me death" camp too. It's not odd. It is expected: the users who have been deeply ingrained in Mac OS for years -- 16 years for me, now -- don't want to switch to a whole new OS. I am far more efficient on Mac OS 9 than on Mac OS X. I may make the switch eventually, but for most old users -- even like me who use Unix all the time -- the benefits of Mac OS X simply don't match the costs. Hopefully someday they will.
Anyone who sends CD-Rs and Zips out and back in to their machine has no excuse for leaving autostart on, and Apple has no excuse for shipping the OS with those on by default, escpecially with the problems it has caused over the years.
Totally agreed. I just did a clean install of 9.2.2 on a graphite iBook, and I didn't touch those settings, so I went to double-check the default before posting the story. Sure enough, it still defaults to AutoPlay on. Bah.
That's OK, Users & Groups usernames and passwords still aren't encrypted in Mac OS 9, either.
I don't "rip on" XPFE just because I don't use it. I "rip on" it because it doesn't look like a Mac app. Mac apps should look like Mac apps. Mozilla doesn't look like a Mac app. Therefore it's bad (for those of us who value the concistency HIG principle, anyway). MSIE, on the other hand, is a fantastic app as far as looking and acting like a Mac app. However, it is crash-happy and from Microsoft. :-)
... bah!
In addition to looking wrong, it also doesn't act properly. At least it does drag and drop to the Desktop, but it lacks Keychain support, AppleScript support
I dig Mozilla, but not as a Mac app.
I was just wondering if anyone would notice!
You're just supposed to be highly evolved enough to know it instinctively. ;-)
The username/pass are mentioned in the story. :-)
Technically it's not redundant. The OS name is "Mac OS X". The version is "10.1.3". It is not "Mac OS 10.1.3" or "Mac OS X.1.3". It's "Mac OS X 10.1.3".
nyway I seen what the person is talking about in learning perl book from oreily 2nd addition the perl examples work in linux but do not seem to work from OS X stand point
Which examples?
Whoa, cool, I didn't even notice that. I too have a SCSI Mac (PowerBook Bronze) and a Yamaha external. I gotta try it out!
It's always worked that way for sections. Check it out.
perl 5.4? You mean perl 5.004? Mac OS X ships with perl 5.6.0, not perl 5.004. It did from day one.
Perhaps it is, but the primary reason it is frowned upn is because map in a void context returned a list, so it was inefficient. That behavior's been changed; map in a void context is no longer a technical problem. Now it is merely a stylistic one.
Young people are ignorant. They should not hold positions of authority. Just give it a few years; wait until you aren't so dumb.
You can. Well, you can include every sectional-only story on the main page, that is not otherwise excluded. Pretty close to the same thing.
This is more like what I wanted Apple to produce. All HP needs now is 802.11 for it!
Michael, you are such an expert, I am truly in awe. You know what mistakes were made from an article. You know what mistakes Americans have and haven't learned from through ESP or fortune telling. You must have some significant security clearance because you apparently know what America is planning to do, because all indications point to us engaging in nothing like what the Russians engaged in, yet you think it will be more of the same.
I wish I could be like you.
Actually no.
The guy who orchestrated the April Fool's Joke is the pumpking for it. The idea of them working together was a pipe dream that influenced the joke.
Yes, you're very smart. Shut up.
Despite the logo on banjo, the hostname actually comes from something else.
The guy's Russian, who cares?
- Macs that can run YDL sell used for around $500 or less (I had Slash running on YDL 1.x on an iMac rev. B (G3/233, 128MB RAM)).
- Many people have old usable Macs lying around collecting dust.
- Many Mac users thinks Mac OS X (currently) sucks, and it is not an option. Besides, you get to use real Mac OS under YDL, while under Mac OS X you have to run your apps in Classic which, while it has obvious advantages, also has obvious disadvantages.
As to speed: Mac OS X is slower than LinuxPPC. Period. I can't give all the reasons why. But everything I do on Mac OS X is slower than on Linux (I have my PowerBook with all three OSes: YDL 2.0, Mac OS X 10.0.4, and Mac OS 9.1, tri-booting with yaboot). I compiled perl 5.7.2 the other day on each, and `sh Configure -des -Dusedevel` took about five times as long just to get started, and took about 2-3 times as long to make.Is it HFS+? Is the running UI slowing things down even though this is running in a console? Are the compiler and shell utilities not compiled well? Is it all of these? I dunno. It is just slower. Everything is slower.
I won't even bother with why I don't like Mac OS X's UI (NeXTisms) or its Unix idiosyncracies (NeXTisms).
What I will say is that YDL 2.0 has a few glitches, yaboot was a pain to set up for some reason, but now that it is running it works well.
Of course, I still spend 95 percent of the time in Mac OS 9.1. :-)
Bulwer-Lytton has a lot of great quotes. My personal favorite is his remarkably conditional statement, "Beneath the rule of men entirely great, the pen is mightier than the sword."