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Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.1.3

nbvb submitted what I'm pleased to say is our first apple.slashdot.org story. We'll be posting more news for our sizable Apple population there in the future. Anyway, He says "Apple today released Mac OS X 10.1.3. Be sure to click your "Software Update" and "Install" buttons! (Hey, if we can get an announcement every time a new point rev of a development kernel hits the FTP sites, can't we hear about Mac OS X?)" As usual, user reports of the new release have been both positive and negative.

467 comments

  1. Nice by Karma+Star · · Score: 1

    I like the graphics change

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    1. Re:Nice by erasmus_ · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I love the logo and the look. Of course, Slashdot overall could use a visual overhaul, not just a replacement of few graphics. But it's a good step.

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    2. Re:Nice by SilentChris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ten bucks says Apple sends them a "cease-and-desist" letter in the next 24 hours.

    3. Re:Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe

      Nice jab at Apple - very subtle ;)

      Jason Bee

  2. Nice theme. by PD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can we have this theme on the other pages?

    1. Re:Nice theme. by Asterax · · Score: 1

      I agree, I think SlashDot should have more Mac coverage. I being Administrator of my own Macintosh site know how "frustrating" it can be to find Macintosh News worth submiting. Maybe you could make a Amiga, Atari, and BeOS theme page. By the way, I just posted about the Mac OS X Update this morning. http://www.Th3Sp0t.com/ -- Asterax

    2. Re:Nice theme. by daniel_isaacs · · Score: 2

      One more vote for a complete change to the Aquafied theme. It loks great.

      Will there be a microsoft.slashdot.org as well? I mean, there are certainly enough stories to justify it.

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    3. Re:Nice theme. by jspectre · · Score: 1

      Sorry. You can't.

      Infact I expect a fleet of Apple Lawyers to contact /. very soon and have them remove this theme or be sued into /dev/null. :-( Someone might confuse it with MacOS X after all.

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    4. Re:Nice theme. by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      Ya, I'm kind of down with the glass icons and lines as well (and no, this has nothing to do my forum-name). Slashdot could use a few more peices of flair :).

      Moreover, I think Slashdot should cater to all *nix and or non-MS operating systems. I'm quite glad to see the "X" icon here now :) .

      But, hey, where does this leave macslash.org?

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    5. Re:Nice theme. by sebi · · Score: 1

      I would guess that this might soon be an option in your preferences. Doesn't seem to be there yet but I guess it would be easy to do...

    6. Re:Nice theme. by Mighty-Troll · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes that would be nice, granted slashdot.org seems to be like a linux.slashdot.org we could request a purple theme.

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    7. Re:Nice theme. by MindStalker · · Score: 2

      Oh yea, of course.. Noone would ever accuse you of being partial to aqua based themes?? Yea right...

    8. Re:Nice theme. by nexex · · Score: 1

      yes, i think this bill has passed -- it should take effect immediatly! ;) (well, not mandatory; but at least *have* the option to display like this on all)

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    9. Re:Nice theme. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two words for those lawyers. Fair use. =)

    10. Re:Nice theme. by Alorelith · · Score: 1

      Actually, what I think would be a great idea is if I could visit http://bsd.slashdot.org for all the stories (not just BSD stories) and have them themed to the reddish BSD style. Similarly, going to http://apple.slashdot.org would depict that AQUA themed Slashdot with all the stories. Or maybe it would just be easier to set up a preference option...

    11. Re:Nice theme. by MaxVlast · · Score: 1

      Don't be bitter. There ain't nothing wrong with the look, and it doesn't intrude on Apple's IP. Making XP look just like OS X (down to an Apple menu in the menu bar!) certainly does.

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    12. Re:Nice theme. by WiggyWack · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, microsoft.die.die.die.slashdot.org.

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    13. Re:Nice theme. by Malic · · Score: 1

      There are SO many other sites that have MacOS X "looks". Even MORE so than apple.slashdot.org does. Apple hasn't bugged them.

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    14. Re:Nice theme. by jspectre · · Score: 1

      jeeze people it WAS A joke! ligthen up a little, plueeze.

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    15. Re:Nice theme. by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 2

      Agreed, some way to choose the theme via preferences would kick ass. (And having more themes would be even better.) Not that I don't like the original /. look, I just thing the Aqua-ish style of the apple.slashdot.org site kicks ass. ;) (And I don't even like Apple that much.)

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    16. Re:Nice theme. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair use of what? Do you even know what fair use means? Shouldn't you be in school at this hour, little timmy?

  3. apple.slashdot.org? by npietraniec · · Score: 1, Redundant

    what's apple.slashdot.org... Or am I out of the loop?

    1. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by protein+folder · · Score: 1
      I think it's macslash.com

      but I'm not sure

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    2. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by PD · · Score: 4, Funny

      Out of the loop? Hardly. You were one of the first 10 people to post in the brand new section about Apple on Slashdot. Apparently, you are in the middle of the loop.

    3. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by KelsoLundeen · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why does everyone assume it's a loop?

    4. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by sacherjj · · Score: 4, Funny

      It is the beginning of a trend. Look for these fine subdomains, coming to a slashdot near you:

      mssux.slashdot.org
      katzrevues.slashdot.org
      itr unslinux.slashdot.org
      stuffthatactuallymatters.sl ashdot.org
      antimpaa.slashdot.org
      and
      cowboyneal.slashdot.org

    5. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by artemis67 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Wow, I just want to lick it....

    6. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by erasmus_ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Would mssux.slashdot.org just map back to the normal Slashdot front page? Because, let's face it, it might as well.

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    7. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by rapid+prototype · · Score: 2, Informative

      because the corporate headquarters for apple is located at the street address '1 infinite loop' ?

      -rp

    8. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just a loop. It's a Mobius loop.

    9. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by trash+eighty · · Score: 1

      no, but its an infinite loop ;)

    10. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by revans · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is this different from the Apple topic?
      http://slashdot.org/search.pl?topic=107

    11. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by rednever · · Score: 1

      You forgot:

      imagineabeowulfclusterofthese.slashdot.org

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    12. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Informative
      Windows isn't open source Neither is Apple.

      Somewhat open Apple goodies:

      Quicktime Streaming Server

      Darwin, the base guts of Mac OS X

      Apple/Genentech BLAST

      OpenPlay (game sprockets)

      Not to mention that SourceForge now has Mac OS X boxes on their compile farm...

    13. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a completely different topic.
      It's actually the "OS X" topic: http://slashdot.org/search.pl?topic=179

    14. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2

      After all this time, I still only have 4 karma on MacSlash. Only about 1/4 of the time do my attempts at k-whoring work. The bad thing about apple.slashdot.org is that I already maxed my karma here long ago. Oh, and I don't get that l33t 4-digit UID #1919.

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    15. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ummm darwin is opensource.. Mac OS X is based on darwin..

    16. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by jchristopher · · Score: 1
      Question: What does this do to Macslash? I've always looked to them for info first (although the conversations were admittedly dead and moderation points were nonexistant) and they're apparently in a bit of a financial scrape. [macslash.com] Personally, I'd rather an active discussion here than dead air there, but I'm still curious.

      One big problem over there is they rarely add new stories - who wants the same stuff day after day?

      This is not for lack of submissions. At any given time there are 20 or 30 or so pending, and almost all of them end up rejected. Frankly, I'd rather have a few "dud" stories than nothing at all.

    17. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by jx100 · · Score: 1

      And of course:

      firstpost.slashdot.org

    18. Re:apple.slashdot.org? by castlan · · Score: 1

      hotgrits.slashdot.org
      For when "releasing Woody" doesn't involve Debian.
      Where else will you find geek eroticism?

      Well, I guess there is always the Lesbian Linux distro.

      Before the shame sets in, lemme add
      petrified.slashdot.org for pinups
      allyourbase.slashdot.org for wars, terrorism, political revolution.

      there, that last one made me feel a bit less dirty. 'Cuz violence is always more acceptable than sex (in post-puritan USA!)
      -castlan

  4. Apple.slashdot.org??? by Red+Avenger · · Score: 1

    What's next a Micro$oft.Slashdot.org???

    1. Re:Apple.slashdot.org??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What's next a Micro$oft.Slashdot.org???

      Oh god, please, yes. Let me block any and all MS stories. The comments are simply too inane to read. Much like this one, come to think of it...

    2. Re:Apple.slashdot.org??? by JWW · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but it'll be a while. They'll have to convert all the PERL stuff over to active server pages using IIS. ;-)

    3. Re:Apple.slashdot.org??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well.. Being that MacOS-X is a BSD based operating system these days, I think apple.slashdot.org is 110% appropriate. Any supporters?

    4. Re:Apple.slashdot.org??? by jimfl · · Score: 1

      What's next is AppleScriptingiTunes.slashdot.org

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  5. DVD player by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 5, Informative

    The new DVD player can show movies on the external monitor attached to my PowerBook G4. That was the only remaining regression OS X had versus OS 9 on my machine. I'm a happy sometimes-OSX user now :)

  6. ohkay... by achbed · · Score: 1, Funny

    where's the "first post EVER" and "AppleSeed Cluster" posts? :P

  7. New Apple Icons? by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Warning, Slashdot Conspiracy Theory:
    I think someone just wanted to use the new apple icons...

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    1. Re:New Apple Icons? by Karma+Sink · · Score: 1

      It could be that they made the new icons for the purpose of using them for the new domain. In fact, it's the only thing that makes sense.

      Why is it that everything /. does has to go under a microscope to make sure it's not an evil plan to manipulate us?

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    2. Re:New Apple Icons? by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      >Why is it that everything /. does has to go under a microscope

      Think of it as sort-of a ride!

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      Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.

  8. Why? by 2starr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now, I'm a Mac user and do the rounds off all the Mac info and rumors sites each day as well as thoroughly reading evey article on /. having to do with Apple, so don't get me wrong. But, I guess I'm wondering why Apple stuff is being broken out? What's the reasoning? Will we have a windows.slashdot.org soon? Isn't this just going to make it possible to hide possibly interesting articles from people on the main page that don't visit apple.slashdot?

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    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      developers.slashdot.org
      yro.slashdot.org
      see a trend yet?

    2. Re:Why? by Nerds · · Score: 2

      It's actually part of Rob's new plan to embrace and extend the entire Internet. Hopefully my /. account gets me access to the exclusive archive at pr0n.slashdot.org.

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    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "If there is a better solution... find it." - Thomas Edison

      "Alternating current." - Nikola Tesla

    4. Re:Why? by psocccer · · Score: 2
      I thought the same thing at first, but after a second I realized maybe this is just a slashcode feature I didn't know about because I've never seen it written anywhere. After a quick experiment, I see I was right: And so on. Pretty neat idea really, now it can offer niche news on special sites plus the big enchilada on the main site. Best of both worlds it seems.
    5. Re:Why? by class_A · · Score: 1

      Coming soon get a /.NET Passport account! Sign in to one /.NET Passport site and you're signed in to all sites based on Slash.

      New! A Kernel patch integrates /.NET Passport with your console login, giving you just one password for all your internet sites.

      /.NET Passport also includes an age verification system, allowing adult users access to a wide variety of Open Source Pr0n!

      When this idea is implemented, please send me a free /.NET shirt and mug. Thanx!

  9. Uhh.. by mESSDan · · Score: 2, Troll
    submitted what I'm pleased to say is our first apple.slashdot.org story
    Sizable Apple population? Where the hell is windows.slashdot.org? Sizable population there too! Linux.slashdot.org? I imagine that it could be construed that slashdot.org IS linux.slashdot.org. Go ahead, moderate me as a troll, but this begs the question!
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    1. Re:Uhh.. by tomblackwell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, it doesn't beg the question.

    2. Re:Uhh.. by johnlenin1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe apple.slashdot.org is just an excuse to create Aquafied Slashdot graphics?

    3. Re:Uhh.. by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd really like to know the statistics on slashdot.

      Give me the stats of how many Unix vs Linux vs Mac vs Windows to tell me what a "Sizeable Apple Community" is versus the MS Community...

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    4. Re:Uhh.. by mojo-raisin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Apple users are... different... they need to be separated from the rest so they can wallow in their delusions.

    5. Re:Uhh.. by Perrin-GoldenEyes · · Score: 2

      That might be a kinda funky poll. You'd have to allow people to pick more than one. I, for example, use all of the above. Though if I had to pick one, I'd probably pick Mac OS X.

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    6. Re:Uhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is more like a utility company. I don't want to hear about my water company's plans to upgrade some pipes. Ditto for whatever Microsoft does.

    7. Re:Uhh.. by sebi · · Score: 1

      Does it really matter what you run? This is all about computers, right. I think that apple.slashdot.org is justyfied. Just look at the number of comments the average apple story gets as compared to many other topics.

      I wonder if some, all or none of the apple.slashdot.org stories will make it to the main page. My guess is that you will be able to decide in your preferences so no worries there.

    8. Re:Uhh.. by FortKnox · · Score: 1

      BUT... What if I want some MS stories for the MS population? Obviously its as big as the mac population (I'd bet on it).

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    9. Re:Uhh.. by rapid+prototype · · Score: 1

      i would want to know if my water company was going to upgrade some pipes, and charge me for it. oh wait, i think i agreed with you, microsoft IS more like a utility company.

      how many people have choices in water companies?

      how many people have choices in electric companies?

      how many people have choices for local phone service?

      how many people have choices for the OS on their new computer?

      -rp

    10. Re:Uhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong.. It's MUCH MUCH larger than the apple population. They just don't want everyone to know that the windows using population of /. is in the 90% range. Taco used to post those stats regurly, but once the windows % began to rise, he quit posting them. I think he's afraid to let the people know the truth. This reminds me of communist china. TACO, LET THE PEOPLE HAVE THE TRUTH.

      MOM

    11. Re:Uhh.. by Quizme2000 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      apple.slashdot.org == The kids that ride the short bus

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    12. Re:Uhh.. by Svencer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to your link it actually does "beg the question," even if it does not conform to its original use in the 16th century.

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      it is not yet in most dictionaries.
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    13. Re:Uhh.. by Deemz · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I wish the Winblowz users would just go away. Are there not enough sites that Winblowz sheep can go to? I just plain don't want hear about it anymore. MS is supposed to have something like 99% of the computer market. Can't we have just one place where people ( I can't be the only one ) don't have to listen MS crap. They act like "they" are being left out.

    14. Re:Uhh.. by Otter · · Score: 1

      I dunno. To my mind, while there's a point where usage determines correctness (and things like "I could care less!" and using "presently" to mean "now" may have hit it), right now the fact that most people misuse "beg the question" simply means that most people are wrong.

    15. Re:Uhh.. by thumperward · · Score: 1

      I get my water free, and it runs just fine.

      I have many, many choices on my gas and electricity companies. I chose the cheapest, which has worked fine for me.

      I have three choices for my phone provider, and five for my mobile phone. I can switch easily.

      And the comment about OSes is a bit daft on an Apple thread. I don't see Apple shipping their powerbooks with a shortcut to boot into BeOS either.

      - Chris

    16. Re:Uhh.. by daeley · · Score: 2

      That's what these guys are for. ;-)

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    17. Re:Uhh.. by dickDragon · · Score: 1

      Try these: www.microsoft.com www.msnbc.com www.msn.com www.msn.net www.wired.com

    18. Re:Uhh.. by FortKnox · · Score: 1

      If you want apple, why not go to the apple sites instead of /.???

      Weak argument.

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    19. Re:Uhh.. by dickDragon · · Score: 1

      Try www.seecolonbackslashdot.org

    20. Re:Uhh.. by stewart.hector · · Score: 1

      Actuall, in the UK, we have a choice of:

      electric companies
      phone service

      Unfortunately, like the rest of the world, we don't have a choice of OS that comes with our PC!

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    21. Re:Uhh.. by rhost89 · · Score: 1

      OK that definition raises another question. How can a phrase be in the dictionary??

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    22. Re:Uhh.. by cetan · · Score: 1

      Ugh. "could care less" just annoys me to no end. I guess I see the point of "begs the question" so I'm torn, but "could care less" is just sloppy English. :)

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    23. Re:Uhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily, I have modified the ratings to that the lower a post gets moderated, the higher it appears. A -1 flamebait gets +3. Point of all this: that was funny shit.

    24. Re:Uhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh, I get it. You're referring to the short bus that takes the kids to the Talented and Gifted Academy with all the other smart kids.

      It makes sense now.

    25. Re:Uhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why not start your own ms website. maybe you can sell banner ads.

    26. Re:Uhh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      windows.slashdot.org would be a great idea if we pipe the whole thing and the astroturfers with it to /dev/null.

      > I imagine that it could be construed that
      >slashdot.org IS linux.slashdot.org.

      You might actually start to get the point if you think of it as opensource-gadgets-scifi-science.slashdot.org.

    27. Re:Uhh.. by smartin · · Score: 2

      Sorry, real operating systems only.

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    28. Re:Uhh.. by Datafage · · Score: 1

      And on what basis do you make the statement that it means most people are wrong? At least that usage of "beg the question" is logical, as opposed to "I could care less!"

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    29. Re:Uhh.. by rapid+prototype · · Score: 1

      apple provides a distribution of Darwin which you can install and boot.

      -rp

      ps - lucky you, water for free and choices in power and phone companies. no such luck for most americans, at least.

  10. Didn't work here by ksheka · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hit the update button in the tools menu, and it didn't mention anything about 10.1.3.

    All it gave me was some "Welcome to Windows Update" page. :-(

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    1. Re:Didn't work here by dclove · · Score: 5, Funny
      All it gave me was some "Welcome to Windows Update" page. ;-(

      I used to get that too. It's a hardware problem...

      ;-)

    2. Re:Didn't work here by sean23007 · · Score: 2

      I used to get that too. It's a hardware problem...

      I know a guy who still has that problem. I'm convinced it's a software problem.

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  11. In case the thing gets bogged down... by Raul654 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Apple has released Mac OS X 10.1.3 via the software update mechanism, which delivers enhancements that improve the reliability of Mac OS X applications, important security features and includes new and updated support for a variety of Digital Hub peripheral devices. Specific updates include:

    CD Disc Recording Peripherals: Expanded support for QPS, EZQuest, LaCie, Yamaha, MCE Technologies and Sony devices

    Image Capture and iPhoto: Improved support for several digital camera models from Canon, Kodak and Sony

    DVD Playback on external VGA displays on PowerBook G4 (Graphics/OpenGL)

    PowerBook video mirroring will be on by default when connecting to a new display
    (Graphics/OpenGL)

    Improvements for iTunes when the full screen visualizer is used (Graphics/OpenGL)

    Login authentication support for LDAP and Active Directory services (networking/improvements)

    OpenSSH version 3.0.2p1 (networking/improvements)

    WebDAV support for Digest authentication (networking/improvements)

    Mail includes support for SSL encryption (networking/improvements)

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    1. Re:In case the thing gets bogged down... by Chillywang · · Score: 1
      All I want to see is

      Accelerated graphics for both Carbon and Cocoa apps, as well as a 99% speed improvement all around.

      & - wait for it...

      Better G3 support, including, not being slower than molasses

      Don't get me wrong, I mean OSX IS pretty sweet and it DOES run on top of Unix. But I don't think they should've released it without some kind of hardware accelerated graphics if it's going to be so slow and unusable.

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    2. Re:In case the thing gets bogged down... by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 1
      Don't get me wrong, I mean OSX IS pretty sweet and it DOES run on top of Unix. But I don't think they should've released it without some kind of hardware accelerated graphics if it's going to be so slow and unusable.

      It doesn't run on top of UNIX, it is UNIX.

      As far as accelerated graphics...unless you are on a mac with no drivers for your graphics card (like some older G3s), it does have hardware accelerated graphics.

      I have a low end G4 (466 MHz with ATI Rage 128 Pro) and it runs just fine. It's not slow at all. I do have 896 MB of RAM however...

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    3. Re:In case the thing gets bogged down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But I don't think they should've released it without some kind of hardware accelerated graphics if it's going to be so slow and unusable.

      If you find it unusable, then don't use it until it is. Meanwhile, the rest of us can start migrating, developers can port apps, etc, etc, etc.

  12. The intel release by jamesk · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Call me when they release OS X for x86, otherwise I'm not interested.... (The weight of both linux and OS X might just might be just enough critical mass for swaying the desktop!!!)

    1. Re:The intel release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come... you like the Mac OS so much, just spring for the award winning hardware too:)

    2. Re:The intel release by WestonB · · Score: 1

      I am so sick of people whining about this.

      Hmm, let's see... really cool multimedia OS that used to run on specialized hardware, ported to the X86 platform...

      Should, dominate the market, right? Should, make the company lots of money, because _everyone_ would buy it just because it's so great, right?

      It didn't work for BeOS; why would it work for Apple?

      The key is applications, and lots of them. The public is not willing to take a chance on an OS with no apps, no matter how advanced it is. How well do you think Mac OS X would be doing right now, if Apple had not included the Carbon API and Classic emulation? What are the chances that Carbon and Classic would ever be ported to x86? How many apps would there be for x86 OS X? Probably about the same as there was for BeOS. A few, but not enough to sustain the OS.

    3. Re:The intel release by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      I'd rather have a Power 4 release than an Intel release. The porting costs would be minimal and IBM would have a kick ass unix that runs a huge numberof applications including Microsoft Office to sell to engineers.

      Apple would get a new high end to the Mac OS X line that wouldn't flinch at a $900 OS license fee because their bottem end would start at 15K per machine.

    4. Re:The intel release by Juanvaldes · · Score: 1

      It didn't work for BeOS; why would it work for Apple? Well at least this time the OEM's aren't locked down with M$'s licensing deal that prohibited them from doing this.

  13. Oooh....pretty theme! by Snootch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can we have this on the main page? This is just coool!

    That said, i'm not sure why apple.slashdot.org exists. Unless bsd.slash, win.slash (ooh, flame target, bad example :-) ), or whatever are in the making, why the apple-centricity?

    1. Re:Oooh....pretty theme! by jamie · · Score: 5, Informative
      "That said, i'm not sure why apple.slashdot.org exists. Unless bsd.slash...

      http://bsd.slashdot.org

    2. Re:Oooh....pretty theme! by krow · · Score: 2, Redundant

      Did you try bsd.slashdot.org?

      --
      You can't grep a dead tree.
    3. Re:Oooh....pretty theme! by VAXGeek · · Score: 1

      jamie = the most elite person ever. i want to have your baby.

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      this sig limit is too small to put anything good h
    4. Re:Oooh....pretty theme! by Isle · · Score: 1

      Actually there is a whole set of these not only bsd.slashdot.org

      Try these for interesting colors:
      http://ask.slashdot.org
      http://apache.sl ashdot.org
      http://radio.slashdot.org
      http://yro.slashdot.o rg

      but there is no linux.slashdot.org, but try the main page you might get lucky, then again being a nerd; maybe not.

    5. Re:Oooh....pretty theme! by arunkv · · Score: 1

      And in case you are wondering there's also apache.slashdot.org for Apache stuff.

  14. Re:Nooooooo! by achbed · · Score: 0, Troll

    Considering how much Apples are used in Marketing and Advertising, you'd think Apple would already be infected with crap and gayness. ;-)

  15. Help, I'm Dying! by EricKrout.com · · Score: 0, Troll

    Help, I'm Dying! Apple.Slashdot.org? Where's Linux.Slashdot.org?

    All this time the trolls were saying that BSD was dying but in reality it was Linux! My...Linux...system...is...slowly...dying...and... becoming...less...responsive...someone...please... hel

    [NOCARRIER]

    ;-)

    1. Re:Help, I'm Dying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was kidding, not trolling. Every other comment of his is like a four or five funny.

  16. Hey! by yzquxnet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The Apple dorks get apple.slashdot.org. What about the Microsoft dweebs. Where is microsoft.slashdot.org. Or how about a linux.slashdot.org.

    What is so special about apple that they get their own subdomain?

    1. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Apple = no enemy no friend but unix blood


      Microsoft = big-big enemy. no microsoft.slashdot.org

  17. Re:Slippery slope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I look forward to the day when we get a story every time M$ release a 'critical update'.

    I look forward to the day when we don't get a story every time Linux increments by 0.0.1.

  18. Har! by lblack · · Score: 3, Funny

    A Mac-branded portion of Slashdot, complete with oogly googly prettiness in the form of gradients and rounding.

    The message being broadcast to me on a quick hop around the .slashdot.orgs would have to be:

    Apple = Pretty, ooh, ooh
    Linux = Ugly, stinky, green
    BSD = Red

    Hm.

    Anyway, this is far too hi-fi for me. Back to ugly, stinky, green.

    -l

    p.s. Why is Science ugly, stinky, green, too? Science and Linux don't look even nearly similar, I dual boot them!

    1. Re:Har! by Graff · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, now that you bring up colors, shouldn't the Apple version of Slashdot be blue, not green? I mean Apple's Aqua is a nice blue color, not some greyish-green like the graphics on apple.slashdot.com.

      Other than the color I definately like the new graphics. I'd vote to use the green one on the main site, use a blue one for the Apple site, use a red one for the BSD site and to make the Windows site be black text on a black background with completely black graphics! :)

    2. Re:Har! by sulli · · Score: 1

      it's Bondi Blue

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      sulli
      RTFJ.
    3. Re:Har! by Graff · · Score: 2

      Is it Bondi blue? I thought that was that greenish-blue that the orginal iMacs were made with. The blue in Aqua seems to be more of a pure blue - very little green in it, if any. I'd love to say the color is Aqua blue, but the traditional color aqua is really a blue-green.

      Oh well, whatever the name of the color used in Apple's Aqua, I think that the apple.slashdot.com site's colors should be as close to it as possible.

  19. Actually by wiredog · · Score: 1, Redundant
  20. Re:Slippery slope... by benedict · · Score: 2

    That will happen right after the next time they\
    release a unix. (Yes, I know about SCO.)

    --
    Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
  21. Cry me a river by sparkles · · Score: 1

    If you don't like apple.slashdot.org then go there. It's as simple as that.

    1. Re:Cry me a river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you don't like apple.slashdot.org then go there.

      Why would I go there if I didn't like it?

    2. Re:Cry me a river by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I am constantly surprised at the number of people who go someplace they don't like -- just so they can complain.

      Anonymous Kev
      Proudly posting as AC since 1997

  22. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Snootch · · Score: 2

    Maybe not XP solid, but much better than Linux, no doubt about it.

    Troll alarm bells are ringing here, so I'll cut short my response, as I don't have any mod points at the moment to slap this one with.

    Suffice to say, try printf()ing a few tabs and backslashes in quick succession under 200 or XP ad then tell me it's stable. After you've rebooted and reconnected to the internet that is...

  23. Re:Not really by red-tail-hawk · · Score: 2, Informative

    hmm... Finally OS X achieves what a portion of the linux community was dreaming for, a stable, configurable unix-based OS with a user-friendly GUI. OS X will make my job a lot easier, users get access to MS Office and I get NIS, vi, ipfw, etc.

  24. Never Gonna Happen by Cheshire+Cat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As has been rehashed numerous times in the past, Apple will never release a version of OSX for the Intel platform. Basically, Apple makes almost all of its money from hardware sales. Obviously if they sold OSX for x86 systems, thats a sizeable chunk of cash that they'd lose.


    You may remember when Apple permitted clones that Apple almost went under. This was because the clones were causing Apple's finances to hemorage like a hemophilliac.


    I agree it would be nice to have OSX for my PC. I'd dump Windows in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, doing this would also mean the end of Apple, so its nothing but wishful thinking.

    *sigh*

    --

    Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I'll never know.
    1. Re:Never Gonna Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree it would be nice to have OSX for my PC.

      Aside from the obvious (Aqua and Carbon) and the built-in apps, what's the major difference between OS X and the combination of Darwin, XFree86, WindowMaker, and GNUStep? Do you even need GNUStep if you have Darwin? (Though it looks like there aren't any stable GNUStep releases for Darwin, or any releases for Darwin x86.)

    2. Re:Never Gonna Happen by 71thumper · · Score: 1

      What OS X on Mac hardware offers is not only the ability to run existing OS 9 apps via the Classic layer, but it offers the Carbon API as a fairly simple interface that allows you to port your existing Mac apps to OS X much easier than otherwise (and allows the same binary to run on most of the Modern Mac's running OS 9, as well).

      OS X on Intel, without that ability, really doesn't give us anything other than a cleaner UI -- but without applications, it doesn't really matter. Desktop users care about applications first, OS a distant second (maybe even third?)

      Steve

    3. Re:Never Gonna Happen by foobar104 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Basically, Apple makes almost all of its money from hardware sales. Obviously if they sold OSX for x86 systems, thats a sizeable chunk of cash that they'd lose.

      I agree completely, but I just wanted to throw in a slightly different interpretation. Microsoft has become an amazing success based on their sales of the Windows operating systems. I can't think of another company that has been that successfull selling primarily operating systems.

      They did it in two ways: diversification and licensing, licensing, licensing.

      If Microsoft sold only Windows XP, they couldn't be as successful as they are. But because they also sell Office, and SQL Server, and all that other crap^H^H^H^H valuable stuff, they can make a bundle.

      Also, Microsoft licenses the heck out of Windows, so for (almost) every computer sold, MS gets a few bucks. To do this, they've had to make some questionable business decisions.

      So, given these two facts, Apple can produce OS X for Intel and be successful if one of two things happens:

      1. Apple diversifies into an applications company and starts selling stuff like "Mac OS X SQL Server" or "Mac OS X Groupware Product" to keep the cash flowing. Probability: almost zero.

      2. Apple gets somebody serious, like Dell, to license OS X for Intel to sell on their PCs. Probability: even less than zero. This actually has negative probability! The very existence of this option makes other things more probable!

      So yeah, pretty much releasing OS X for Intel would be a death sentence, either for Apple as a whole, or at least for Apple as we know it.

    4. Re:Never Gonna Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      "As has been rehashed numerous times in the past, Apple will never release a version of OSX for the Intel platform. Basically, Apple makes almost all of its money from hardware sales. Obviously if they sold OSX for x86 systems, thats a sizeable chunk of cash that they'd lose."


      Yeah, that would be like a mainframe company like, say, IBM deciding to make small computers that would fit on a person's desk, removing almost all of the need for mainframes. Clearly this is a stupid idea and would never happen :)

      Cheers, Paul
      -----
      one day I'll successfully create an account, and then I won't be anonymous anymore
    5. Re:Never Gonna Happen by zulux · · Score: 2

      OS X for Intel would be a death sentence, either

      Apple could do it though if the included an "Apple Only" bios, or made the system non-standard. They could get the cheap Intel comodity hardware, but still maintain their hardware lock in.

      --

      Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.

    6. Re:Never Gonna Happen by binarybits · · Score: 2

      There will probably never be an x86 version of OS X, but it has nothing to do with the reasons you state.

      If Apple is worried about losing money from clone competition, the solution is easy: raise liscencing fees. Apple could have easily done this and recouped any losses from cannibalized sales.

      The problem was that Apple's hardware at the time sucked. When cloners started building boxes that blew Apple's offerings out of the water, this cannibalized their sales because people weren't going to pay unreasonable prices for inferior products.

      What Apple should have done is improve their own offerings to match those of the clones. This should have been easy-- Apple has an enormous R & D budget, and the advantage of having the software team in-house.

      The reason Apple killed the clones had little to do with the finances of the situation. Had they allowed cloning to continue, I'd guess the Mac market share would be much bigger than it was now. They could easily have eaten the short-term losses and come out the better for it.

      The real reason the clones were killed was the same reason the Newtons were closed-- Steve's ego. Steve Jobs doesn't care about long-term strategic issues. He is perfectly fine having Apple be a niche computer maker. What he wants is creative control. He wants to be able to dictate how every Mac user's computer will look and feel, from the GUI to the case design. And if that means that Mac market share never goes above 5%, so be it.

      It's really quite sad. Apple could easily spin off their software division, port to x86, and compete directly with Microsoft. Apple Computer would be a hardware company, Applesoft could be the software company. The hardware side would pay the software side royalties. And they could beg Motorolla and IBM to get into the PowerPC Mac cloning market, while simultaneously offering PC OEM's the option to install OS X on their machines. With a serious push into business applications and an open platform, Apple could pose a serious threat to the Windows hegemony.

      But alas that won't happen because Steve isn't willing to give up control of the platform. He's content to be a big fish in a small pond. Meanwhile Bill Gates counts his billions and plots his next industry takeover...

    7. Re:Never Gonna Happen by Myxorg · · Score: 2, Funny
      Apple could do it though if the included an "Apple Only" bios


      Yea that worked so well for IBM, whoops.
    8. Re:Never Gonna Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The problem was that Apple's hardware
      >at the time sucked.

      Since the cloners were using Apple-designed motherboards, we must conclude that the cloners's hardware also sucked.

      The reason why Power Computing could ship a 350 MHz Mac when Apple was stuck at 200 Mhz was because the fastest chips are always available first in small quantities only -- quantities too small for Apple to use, but perfect for a small company like PCC.

      So, while Apple waited for MOT to ramp up production, PCC got small batches of the hot processors and shoved them into their Apple-designed motherboards. Their sales were small enough to allow them to do this, and still have inventory.

      Remember also how badly-run PCC was. if Apple had not canceled the clone program, PCC would have gone belly-up on its own within months.

    9. Re:Never Gonna Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Desktop users care about applications first, OS a distant second (maybe even third?)

      No. Desktop users don't care about the OS at all, except insofar as it enables them to use the apps they care about.

    10. Re:Never Gonna Happen by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Apple could do it though if the included an "Apple Only" bios, or made the system non-standard. They could get the cheap Intel comodity hardware, but still maintain their hardware lock in.

      Which would change nothing. An iMac doesn't cost $1200 because of the CPU.

    11. Re:Never Gonna Happen by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 1
      Apple could do it though if the included an "Apple Only" bios

      First, Macs don't have BIOS, you are thinking of the Mac ROMs. Second, that's only true for "Old World" architecture machines. This was how it was for the Mac Clones. The "New World" machines, like all the G4s and iMacs, use a "ROM in RAM" scheme, where the ROM is a file on the hard drive that gets read as the machine boots.

      Macs don't have "BIOS" but use OpenFirmware during the bootstrap. OpenFirmware is hardly proprietary. There is a version of OpenStep/NeXTSTEP for x86, and Apple did have Rhapsody running on x86, so it would be fairly easy to do. But don't hold your breath waiting!

      And don't forget, IBM never licensed their BIOS...Compaq reverse engineered it.

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      -- if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic - Lewis Carrol
    12. Re:Never Gonna Happen by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 1
      If Apple is worried about losing money from clone competition, the solution is easy: raise liscencing fees. Apple could have easily done this and recouped any losses from cannibalized sales.

      They tried that at the time and the clone makers complained the fee was too high. I bought a PowerComputing clone at the time because it was cheaper than an Apple.

      Funny thing is that even though they all used Apple designed mother boards, the clones were not as reliable as the Apple Macs. PowerComputing was able to squeeze out a little more speed, because they could get the faster chips, since they didn't have to build as many machines as Apple, but the quality wasn't there either. I had my hard drive die, lost the floppy drive, and had to replace the CD-ROM drive, as well as one of the fans. I have much older Macs that still have all the original parts.

      My PowerCenter came with Be OS too!

      --
      -- if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic - Lewis Carrol
    13. Re:Never Gonna Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > They did it in two ways: diversification and licensing, licensing, licensing.

      I'd modify this to "They did it in two ways: diversification and illegal licensing, licensing, licensing."

    14. Re:Never Gonna Happen by jcr · · Score: 2

      So yeah, pretty much releasing OS X for Intel would be a death sentence, either for Apple as a whole, or at least for Apple as we know it.

      Why does everyone discount the possibility of OS X for Intel (or SPARC, MIPS, Alpha, etc) selling for as much as Apple's gross margin on a typical G4 tower? Shoot, if we only moved a million units a quarter at @$750, that's still 3 billion bucks/yr, and I doubt very much that anyone making the choice between an $800 Dell + $750 for OS X or a new iMac would pick the Dell.

      Offering OS X on Intel would let Apple sell to the people who don't get to pick their hardware. (Make no mistake, that's a *lot* of people..) There are a lot of people who can get their companies to cough up an Intel box which they then load up with Linux or BSD, who would just as soon load that box up with Mac OS X if they could.

      Back when I was running OpenStep 4.2 on Intel hardware, I discovered that once you blow away the MS crap and install a decent OS on the box, it suddenly sucks far less than one would expect.

      I think it would be a wonderful thing if Apple started selling OS X on Intel as the "higher priced spread" (if you will), and I simply don't agree with the contention that doing so would mean an end to Apple's hardware business.

      I could also imagine a very brisk business in $500 PCI cards to finish up an Intel box with the things that the Mac has, like the firewire ports, maybe a DSP chip that had four or more Altivec cores on it, decent audio I/O hardware, etc.

      I agree with you that the chances of any of this happening is really close to nil, but I'm quite convinced that colonizing the Intel desktops could be done without endangering Apple's existing business.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    15. Re:Never Gonna Happen by xjudson · · Score: 1

      how bout dis... http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product _id=1731327&cat=3951&type= an intel machine selling, "OS NOT INCLUDED"

  25. Attn: CmdrTaco by EricKrout.com · · Score: 5, Funny


    Dear Mr. Robert Malda:

    This law firm is the intellectual property and litigation counsel to Apple Computers (NASDAQ: APPL). It has come to our attention that you are the registrant and primary owner/operator of http://slashdot.org, a renowned site for open source and free software fanatics. Your new web site graphics scheme at http://apple.slashdot.org is in violation of Apple's copyright of any and all things computer-related and translucent in appearance.

    Please be advised that Apple Computer is the holder of "combined translucency and sex appeal" which the United States Patent and Trademark office has accepted for registration on the Principal Register. Since the late 1970s, my client has created beautiful engineering miracles of this aesthetic design. Apple Computer, courtesy of their marvelous, refined, and sexy produts, have an outward appearance that has become famous worldwide. Consumers looking for lime, flamingo, tangerine, and/or neon-colored computing devices have come to find my company's products, and only their products and parallel websites for advertising and selling said products.

    You are hereby warned and notified to CEASE AND DESIST your use of attractive shiny graphics, which you continue to use in bad faith. If you do not immediately remove them, we will take all action necessary to protect our mark. Your failure to comply will result in my client's full and forceful prosecution of all of its rights, and you could incur liability for damages in excess of $11,371,137 and responsibility for our attorneys' fees.

    Sincerely,
    The Law Firm of Geoffrey R. Morris,
    Washington/Tokyo/London/San Francisco

    (adapted from webtechniques.com's Bret A. Fausett)

    EricKrout.com :: 5, Interesting

    1. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My IQ is 126. (They call me Super Nerd) Stupid Ass-burger

    2. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And mine is 176. So that makes you...what...a moron in my eyes perhaps?

    3. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hey, I use *nix. Does that mean I can take an arbitrary and biased test and automatically recieve a high IQ rating to flaunt in front of my dorky friends on a message board somewhere? Cooooool!

    4. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by frozenray · · Score: 1
      Just a short time ago, the folks at ThemeXP unwittingly found themselves at the receiving end of a C-A-D notification from Apple's lawyers for getting a little too close to the Aqua look with two themes on their website. Quoting verbatim from ThemeXP's front page:


      "Apple's Copyright - 02.13.02 @ 6:18 PM EST

      Apple has contacted ThemeXP and notified us that we are in violation of Apple's copyright on OS X by hosting two themes: "EclipseOSX v4.40" and "MacOSX Aqua 3.2". As much as we enjoy long and expensive lawsuits against mega-corporations, we decided to comply with their notice of infringement and take down both of the two themes we previously hosted."


      My reaction on this is mixed. I realize that the look and the UI are an important part of the Apple experience, but Apple now has a solid OS foundation and there's no way one can turn Windows XP into OS X by just slapping a skin on it. I think they should loosen up a little and try to convince users by displaying technical excellence rather than by turning their legal wolfpack loose. Your opinions?

      --
      "There are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare." - Blair Houghton
    5. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by blowhole · · Score: 2

      Luckily I downloaded EclipseOSX one day before it got taken down. It r0x0rs! I hate OSX but I love WinXP when it looks like OSX :)

      --
      "Ask me about Loom"
    6. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by Spencerian · · Score: 1

      Apple can't for the same reason that the company that makes Kleenex can't allow others to use the name "Kleenex" to describe any tissue.

      After getting a copyright, or an intellectual property, a company must defend it tooth and nail from ANY kind of predatory or even harmless knockoffs. If Apple doesn't and someone stole an appearance to make a commercial product, the courts may see Apple's inaction as abandonment of their IP obligation.

      In other words, if it ain't your idea, expect to get a cease-and-desist.

      --
      Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
    7. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by frozenray · · Score: 1

      After getting a copyright, or an intellectual property, a company must defend it tooth and nail from ANY kind of predatory or even harmless knockoffs.

      Point taken, but by your line of reasoning, Slashdot should soon receive mail from Apple's lawyers, since the new look of this topic could be qualified as a "harmless" knockoff. They're walking a thin line here, I hope they know what they're doing.

      As the saying goes, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - but I think there's no way you can make OS X out of WinXP by slapping a skin on it, all the ugliness and UI blunders are right underneath, right down to the infamous "Aqua" blue screen so familiar to Windows users.

      One of the main reasons Apple is still in business is the consistency of the user interface, and this - together with the solid foundation of OS X, good hardware and applications - should be their unique selling points.

      Apple has been doing some mistakes with the UI lately (see for example this, this, this, or this page), and I'd rather see them working on improving the greatest UI on earth than on suing a non-commercial website about some Aqua-lookalike skin. Investing time and money to make sure nobody in the neighborhood has a house the same color as yours and at the same time neglecting to take care of the foundations which are slowly rotting away is not a good idea.

      Raymond

      (P.S. I understand everybody who wants to change the default look of Windows XP - every time I see it I'm expecting Tinky Winky, Dipsy, Laa-Laa and Po to cavort over the desktop, and this gives me the creeps :P )

      --
      "There are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare." - Blair Houghton
    8. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by castlan · · Score: 1

      I'd have to argue against the "sex appeal" arguement. Doesn't Be Inc. have a claim of Prior Art, in light of how often the BeOS made Jean Louis Gassee's nipples hard?
      Just a bit of enlightenment.... which reminds me, wouldn't Enlightenment also have a claim to prior art?

      -castlan
      mmm, pretty mac ghetto....

    9. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 2

      Spencerian wrote:

      > After getting a copyright, or an intellectual property, a company must
      > defend it tooth and nail from ANY kind of predatory or even harmless
      > knockoffs.

      This applies only to trademarks. You can actually grant others non-exclusive rights to copy your work and still retain your copyright. You can license your patented technology to others. You can even share trade secrets with someone who has signed a non-disclosure agreement. But you better not let trademark infringements slide, or you loose them. (Which is why if Lindows really has hundreds of examples of Microsoft not defending the "Windows" trademark, they might actually be able to get it taken away from Microsoft.)

      > If Apple doesn't and someone stole an appearance to make a commercial
      > product, the courts may see Apple's inaction as abandonment of their
      > IP obligation.

      Look and feel follows its own rules, established by the look and feel case between Apple and Microsoft. I don't remember all of them off hand. Themes that use the Apple logo as part of the theme to make it look legit, and that exactly reproduce the look and feel of OS X are going to get cease-and-desist letters. Slashdot using glassy looking header bars that don't remotely look like OS X and no apple logo in the upper left corner are not likely to hear from Apple. (If you view the page using an OS X native browser, you can see just how unlike OS X it is.) IANAL, but I doubt even using the OS X trademark to denote a story about OS X is going to be a problem, since you are using the trademark to identify the company and product, which is what it is for.

      It's a shame, but even a company that does a pretty good job of following Mothra's path of peace has to have a legal department.

      "The path of peace is yours to discover for eternity." "Mosura", 1961

    10. Re:Attn: CmdrTaco by Spencerian · · Score: 1

      You speak like a lawyer, which I'm not. But you did clarify my points better. The gist is there.

      --
      Vos teneo officium eram periculosus ut vos recipero is.
  26. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More proprietary software. OS X: lets sell out freedom for eyecandy.

    Nope, sells out freedom for the ability to run mainstream software. Actually only the GUI half is proprietary and only half the proprietary software is ported. Coincidence? ;)

  27. Apple Poll Possibility by rogerl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple Macintosh:

    1. Nope
    2. Work
    3. Home
    4. Work and Home
    5. Cowboy Neal eating an apple. Yum.

  28. Why 11 Apple topics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why has /. suddenly put up 11 Apple topics? There's only enough Apple news to fit in one topic. I thought that if /. was going to put up 11 topics about anything it would be Linux!

    1. Re:Why 11 Apple topics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why has /. suddenly put up 11 Apple topics?

      Because Apple is 11 times cooler

  29. whooo hoooo! by nbvb · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess this counts as a First Story, not a First Post? :-)

    --NBVB
    (Whee, my first accepted submission, too!)

  30. why 10 apple topics? by x1l · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Why are there 10 seperate apple topics?

    Are you guys paid by apple?

    Isn't 10 topics for apple overkill?

  31. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's true: you have the freedom to suck.

  32. OSX finder issues by linuxpng · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone know if, by chance, they have fixed the annoying finder issue where folder views are not kept?

    This is an issue with me that's actually addressed in the KB. They state it will be fixed in a future OS revision. Anyone else think that's kind of lame?

    1. Re:OSX finder issues by Jack+Auf · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That horrid, suck-ass Next filemanager is really the only thing that keeps me from recommending OSX to clients, friends, and family. No, really. It really, really bites.

      Mod me down as a troll. Go ahead. You know I'm right.

      --
      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - BF
    2. Re:OSX finder issues by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2
      How about the one where in list view, when you move icons into and out of folders, the @#%#@$!! file name pane would shrink every time! It's about time they finally fixed that one. It was really driving me nuts.

      Now if they would just bring back icon labels/colors. That's how I sort my pr0n, which is still kept on a 9.1 machine.

      --

      --
      "Open source is good." - Steve Jobs
      "Open source is evil." - Microsoft
    3. Re:OSX finder issues by rjrjr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe you're not a troll, but you're ill-informed. That nasty finder is a ground up Carbon rewrite, which measures up to neither the Finder nor the old NeXTstep WorkSpace.

    4. Re:OSX finder issues by nemp · · Score: 1

      folder views are kept if changes are made by a user who is priviledged to write to them. so log in as root and fix 'em all.

    5. Re:OSX finder issues by zephc · · Score: 5, Informative

      most likely its because you dont have write permissions to said folder (directory) and your account cant write the .DS_Store file to said folder. Otherwise I have had no problem with folders keeping their views.

      In Terminal.app, try `chown -R [yourusername]:staff ~/' and to any other folders you frequent (like on other drives, etc).

      --
      "I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
    6. Re:OSX finder issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course you should either be su'ed in as root, or prepend that command with 'sudo' =]

  33. Apple Thinks it's 2001 by Schlemphfer · · Score: 5, Informative

    I happened to be in the process of downloading 10.1.3 when I came across this discussion on Slashdot. The installation was effortless, and it's great to have system software that's less than 24 hours old. But when I rebooted and selected "About This Mac," the box came up saying 10.1.3 is installed, "Copyright 1983-2001 Apple Computer."

    Oops! Fortunately, other than that little oversight, 10.1.3 seems amazing so far. Rock solid and gorgeous.

    --
    I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
    1. Re:Apple Thinks it's 2001 by RAVasquez · · Score: 2

      Probably because the Finder's still at 10.1.2, according to Show Info. Probably not worth the effort to swap the string resource (or somebody forgot to).

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      --- Work, worry, consume, die. It's a wonderful life. -- Bill Griffith

    2. Re:Apple Thinks it's 2001 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I'll copyright it for 2002 and then sue Apple for violating my copyright.

  34. Wow! by thedbp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot got Aquified!! i hope this isn't some sort of plot to keep us apple-ites separated from you "real" computer enthusiasts ;) J/K, I have noticed a lot more coverage of Apple stuff since OS X started gaining steam in the tech community, and I really appreciate it. Also i think its funny that you guys remade the UI elements in aqua fashion.

    Mac users may have to fight for respect and fend off the "condolences" of our Windows counterparts a lot of the time, but its nice to know that we have Slashdot on our side, or at least not berating us. Thanks for the recognition guys!!!

    Oh, and 10.1.3 RULES. easy flawless upgrade. System keeps getting snappier and more impressive. I'm dying to see 10.2: The Return of Sping-Loaded Folders! Excuse me while i trip out to my killer iTunes visuals on my 27" television :)

    1. Re:Wow! by version5 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I have noticed a lot more coverage of Apple stuff since OS X started gaining steam in the tech community, and I really appreciate it.

      True. Apple has gained noticeably more respect since the release of OS X, unfortunately, I can't say the same about the Apple enthusiasts. They have a long way to go. Here's why: For the most part, the nerd contingent refered to in "News for nerds" believes in function before form. This is an engineering principle. I am a graphic designer, but I respect and understand the importance of this principle. Many Apple users are of the "Oooh, shiny!" variety, and some even go so far as to deride command line interfaces and less-than-perfect GUIs. It is commonly believed that such people have no place in a serious discussion of technology.

      --

      "It's Dot Com!"

    2. Re:Wow! by SnarfQuest · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's a sping, and why are you loading them in my folder?

      --
      Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
    3. Re:Wow! by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You may think that, but also look at such screenshots as the one below:

      http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots/yo ur nick_fluxbox.jpg

      BlackBox (and by extension, FluxBox) rocks. (that's just fun to say =) but GNU/Linux and X apps in general lack a cohesive UI. In the aforementioned screen shot, I count no fewer than four window styles. That means no less than four separate ways of intereacting with the machine. That's the *windowing* level, for chrissakes. Get on down to the widgets, that's another four interfaces to get used to, and all of them can get mixed and matched.

      On OS X, you have three sets of interface elements, but all of them are *very* similar. (Aqua for one, Classic for another, and the "Pro app" brushed metal of all the Apple media apps) it's much more cohesive - and the lessons learned from one UI apply almost directly to the others.

      Now, one of the keys to OS X is simplicity. Yes, it's impossible to do some things in the stock GUI. But, the things you can do are very easy. Not only that, but the features that are missing from the GUI are almost certainly available in the Terminal.

      Furthermore...many Mac users are of the Oooh! Shiny! approach...but just try denying that Luna doesn't attemt to pander to that taste. Not to mention the downright crappy-looking transparent terminals things liek eterm provide in X...

      --
      ± 29 dB
    4. Re:Wow! by Otter · · Score: 2
      Many Apple users are of the "Oooh, shiny!" variety, and some even go so far as to deride command line interfaces and less-than-perfect GUIs. It is commonly believed that such people have no place in a serious discussion of technology.

      Since when do the qualities of any users have a place in a serious discussion of technology?

      Believe me, I wouldn't use Linux if I were concerned about what some Linux users go so far as to deride. ("Can we be sure Miguel isn't really a Micro$oft mole?")

    5. Re:Wow! by christopher_mcca · · Score: 1

      Many Apple users are of the "Oooh, shiny!" variety, and some even go so far as to deride command line interfaces and less-than-perfect GUIs.

      Similarly, many non-OS X Linux and Unix users deride polished, well-done GUIs as being frivolous or as being appropriate for inexperienced users only. Just as some Macintosh users have felt defensive enough of their OS to make fun of CLIs, so have Linux and Unix users felt defensive enough to make fun of good-looking GUIs. Either situation seems to me to be foolishy closed-minded and to restrict one from fully enjoying computing.

      With regard to form vs. function: obviously, it's a topic not to be plunged into in depth here, but I think it suffices to say that the presence of one should not be taken as evidence of the absence of the other (i.e., don't assume that Apple users who appreciate good design in their hardware or software don't care about how well both work, or that Linux users don't understand or don't care about aesthetics).

    6. Re:Wow! by version5 · · Score: 1
      ...that the Mac fans that regularly read slashdot are not fit for a serious discussion

      I didn't say that. I'm explaining why I think Mac users are not respected, and what the perception of Mac users is. Call it culture clash, if you want - Unix fans with their arcane command lines and Apple fans with visual elegance, and suddenly the two meet...

      ...Unix users deride polished, well-done GUIs

      Yes, Unix users have their faults, but I was talking about why Apple users to lack respect. Personally, I think OS X and Linux are both great in their own particular way.

      --

      "It's Dot Com!"

  35. Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this section! by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

    Do we REALLY have to put up with this ass end UGLY interface?

    I stick with PCs because I -CANNOT STAND BLUE FRIGGIN CURVY EDGES INTERFACES-

    I do NOT want to have to put up with it on a site that is dedicated (more or less) to an OS known for its CLI. . . .

    Help. . . .

    (this would be one good reason to disable images. . . .)

  36. Put it on last night - some findings by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Informative

    At home, I run fetchmail, UW Imap/pop3, and postfix. (Some excellent instructions for installing it are here at Stepwise), Image Magick, Gimp, and some other Open Source programs on OS X. I also use BBedit and Microsoft Office X. (And I can say that Entourage is a far superior program to the one I have to use with Windows.)

    The good news: Nothing broke. 10.1.3 didn't rewrite any mail settings, so all of my mail continued to come in/get sent out just fine.

    The bad: Still no focus-follows-mouse, multiple desktops, or the ability to connect to my wife's printer on her Windows 98 box.

    I did have a problem with Samba for a little bit (I have another computer running Win98 I use just for games playing). Once I turned off the SMB service and turned it back on, it worked fine.

    Some of these things comes from a former KDE user (ie: focus-follows-mouse, etc), but overall, since it didn't break anything, I'm assuming all went well. As person who used Linux 90% of the time up until last week, OS X is still surprising me by all the little nice things they put in.

    1. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by Jobe_br · · Score: 2

      You could do some fancy things on the Win98 box to use ghostscript to accept PS input and output to the native printer driver, then access the PS printer via lpr. I had to do that do use a Xerox inkjet that didn't have any MacOS drivers, from my primarily Mac network (why did I buy the Xerox? It *said* it had Mac drivers ... it didn't).

      Good luck!

    2. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by MaxQuordlepleen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no focus follows mouse?

      glad I didn't go out and buy a mac then, that would have infuriated me...

    3. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by prog-guru · · Score: 1
      The bad: Still no focus-follows-mouse, multiple desktops, or the ability to connect to my wife's printer on her Windows 98 box.

      Can't this be done with SAMBA and lpr? I'm considering OS X, and was planning on doing this to print to my SAMBA server. It is working with Linux, basically lpr has a filter that pipes to smbclient.

      --

      chris@xanadu:~$ whatis /.
      /.: nothing appropriate.

    4. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by Rand+Race · · Score: 2
      Mouse focus was one of the things I missed the most when I finally ditched my old BeOS box and got my OS X G4. But, think about it for a minute; focus follows mouse wouldn't work on a Mac. Your toolbar is at the top of the screen not the top of the window. Mousing up to it would focus on the Finder before you got to the toolbar which would be the Finder's bar then.


      A real multiple desktop would be sweet though.

      --
      Insanity is the last line of defence for the master diplomat. But you have to lay the groundwork early.
    5. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by tarkin · · Score: 1

      Yeah , I know what you mean. I was a Gnome user a while ago and I too miss things like focus-follows-mouse and always-on-top windows. I really cannot understand why always-on-top isn't possible !

      Consider all those video editors that need to see their movies while surfing the web ? ( or consider us geeks that want to see our PearlHarbor divx over and over again while coding )

      I hope Apple sees that there are many Linux desktop users that switched to have MacosX that really want/need those things. I hope they just add some options for the WindowManager for us power-users. Hide it from the casual users, but let power-users do what they want ;-)

      But After a month OSX still surprises me here and there and I've grown accustom to the OSX Desktop.

      ps. Pearl Harbor SUCKS !!

      --
      blaah !
    6. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by Ender_the_Xenocide · · Score: 1

      Focus-follows-mouse wouldn't work too well on a Mac, though - every time you ram the cursor up to the menu bar, it would pass over other windows. I started using the Mac-style menu bar with KDE, and found that I kept accidently raising windows when I headed for the menu. (Raising the timeout doesn't help, because then when I want to raise a window, it's infuriatingly slow, and when I fumble the mouse I raise windows by accident anyway.)

      So now I'm torn - I really like focus-follows-mouse, but I've also gotten used to the mac-style menu bar and I can't decide which I like more.

    7. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 2

      I discovered the whole "command-click background screens" as I've read through OS X: The Missing Manual. It's an interesting idea, but for pure web browsing, I like the focus-follows-mouse (multiple windows), or, barring that, tab browsing. (I haven't installed Mozilla in OS X yet. Still debating if I'll byte the big one and go IE (blech), or install Mozilla and redo all of the Helper apps (blech, the return).

    8. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by scrod · · Score: 1

      the Focus-follows-mouse behavior is quite possibly the most annoying thing I've ever had the displeasure to use (when I ran Blackbox for the first time). How anyone could find that useful is totally beyond me. I'm sure as hell glad I DON'T have to use an OS that works that way.

    9. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by PatJensen · · Score: 2
      I'm in the same boat. I figured some cool shit out with my Xerox WorkCentre XK50CX. If you take a good look at the Windows drivers, it is really a new Lexmark printer [most of them are]. Lexmark has Mac OS X 10.1 print drivers for most of their printers, unfortunately their USB device drivers are keyed to the Xerox name - but they will usually work if you connect to a network printer using the PPDs (via LPR or whatever)

      I really hate Xerox printers, my printer has not even 200 prints on it and 2 $50 cartridge swaps and regularly prints white lines on my shit, even after I swapped out cartridges. The only way I can get it to print anything decent is to set it to maximum quality. Then it takes 4 minutes to print a single picture.

      I'm beginning to hate vendors that don't have multiplatform driver support. I would have been better off paying the money for a flimsier HP, at least I could find parts and cheap cartridges, AND it would work under OS X. See if I make that same mistake again. I thought about getting Adobe Acrobat for OS X and just doing Print to PDF and having that Acrobat distiller deal just auto-print PDFs when I drop them into a network directory. It'd be a little slow. Anyone doing this? Would it work?

      -Pat

    10. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by PurpleBob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't see how focus-follows-mouse would be possible when the menubar is at the top of the screen. If any window was behind the one you're in, you'd lose the focus before you got to the menubar.

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      Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
    11. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by vorpal22 · · Score: 1

      Fully agreed. I've used desktops that have focus-follows-mouse enabled, and it seems like either I'm accidentally knocking the mouse into another window, or the mouse cursor gets in the way of what I'm trying to read / write. Icky.

    12. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 1
      the Focus-follows-mouse behavior is quite possibly the most annoying thing I've ever had the displeasure to use

      I agree! Really lazy and stupid "feature."

      Plus I like the way OS X lets me bring a bunch of windows from different programs to the front, without the whole set of windows from that program.

      The last thing I want are windows coming into focus when I move my mouse around! I like clicking on that window when I want it.

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      -- if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic - Lewis Carrol
    13. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 1
      I don't see how focus-follows-mouse would be possible when the menubar is at the top of the screen. If any window was behind the one you're in, you'd lose the focus before you got to the menubar.

      On a Mac you gain focus by clicking the window's title bar (or just about any part of the window)... has nothing to do with the menu bar.

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      -- if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic - Lewis Carrol
    14. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 1

      I agree, it does suck. HOWEVER, I know plenty of people who love it, and frankly, I would like for that to be an option. I like it sometimes, but for the most part, "no! bad dog!" "moof!"

    15. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by saintlupus · · Score: 2

      Still debating if I'll byte the big one and go IE (blech), or install Mozilla and redo all of the Helper apps (blech, the return).

      I'm posting this from OmniWeb, which is (in my humble opinion, of course) the best web browser for the platform. I've tried Opera, IE, Moz, and none of them could stack up to Omni. Give it a shot.

      --saint

    16. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by evand · · Score: 1

      Okay, but let's say I have an OmniWeb window focused and at the bottom of my screen and a BBEdit window above the OmniWeb window (but in the background). If I want to go up to any of the menus for OmniWeb with focus-follows-mouse enabled, I'd have to make sure I avoided letting the mouse focus over the BBEdit window, or else the entire menubar would change to reflect the new top application (BBEdit).

      If you want to see how annoying this is in practice and you have access to a relatively recent release of KDE, set the application menus to appear at the top of the screen (Mac OS-style) and also set the focus behavior to focus-follows-mouse. I tried it once, expecting the best of both worlds, and instead ended up with an unusable bastard child nightmare.

    17. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by TheAJofOZ · · Score: 2
      Consider all those video editors that need to see their movies while surfing the web ? ( or consider us geeks that want to see our PearlHarbor divx over and over again while coding )

      My housemate just minimizes the window into the dock and watches it in there. The dock can be resized to make the movie larger if required. Not the ideal option obviously but pretty cool.

      I hope Apple sees that there are many Linux desktop users that switched to have MacosX that really want/need those things. I hope they just add some options for the WindowManager for us power-users. Hide it from the casual users, but let power-users do what they want ;-)

      Go away and come back when you have read "The Humane Interface" by Raskin. :) The idea that a configurable interface is a good thing is completely false - you should just create the ideal interface in the first place and users generally fail to realise that their changes make them less productive (read the book, it argues this much better). Also, the idea that you need separate interfaces for beginners and power users is false because when you start using the program you are a beginner and when you first start using the power user interface you are also a beginner and have to relearn the entire interface again, wasting all the time you spent developing habits in the beginner interface.

      Again, read the book, my arguments are not high quality but the book is far more detailed and convincing.

      But After a month OSX still surprises me here and there and I've grown accustom to the OSX Desktop.

      Precisely my point (or Raskin's actually) - you are becomming more accustomed to the interface and learning the habits that you require to be productive on that interface. Switching OS's (or interfaces) always makes you feel like the second interface is less productive in one way or the other and for a while it really is. Eventually though, you "unlearn" the habits you developed on the old interface and learn the new ones at which point the old interface feels less productive (and is for you). Telling which interface is actually more productive once learnt is really quite in depth but is covered in "The Humane Interface" quite well.

    18. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      re: always-on-top: It is possible, within the application. There's no windowmanager level control for it, but apps _can_ stick to the top. I've seen a few neat uses for this - MemoryMonitor sticks to the top and uses the built in transparency to let you see what's under the window.

    19. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm sure as hell glad I DON'T have to use an OS that works that way."

      1) Don't confuse an OS with a display technology.
      2) A sensible system makes focus-follows-mouse an =option= for people like me who find all that clicking annoying. If I don't want to move the mouse to change the focus, most window managers allow key combinations to change focus. I also dislike the Windows way of always bringing the focused window to the front.

      The windowing system shouldn't make demands of its users, it should adapt to them.

    20. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by tarkin · · Score: 1

      I just found out my employer has the book in it's bookshelf ;-)
      It looks very interesting. I concur that a great interface from the start might flush the need for a power-user interface, but what if you really *need* one little tweak for some kind of application. I'm not saying that movie stuff was a life or death situation, but I can imagine someone has a special need and really wants that to be productive. At least Apple should enable developers to make tools that do the trick. And I believe the WindowManager stuff is pretty of limits to developers ?
      Any ways, now I know what to read when I'm finished with LOTR ;-)

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      blaah !
    21. Re:Put it on last night - some findings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, I tried CUPS 1.1.12. That one allows printing to SMB printers. Some hassles compiling that
      beast (and the drivers from gimp-print) but
      all in all it works.

      Delete all netinfo printers (important),
      add cups-lpd to your /etc/inetd.conf.

      Then add the appropriate printer in CUPS (e.g.
      using the web frontend). Reference that printer
      in MacOS X by adding a generic postscript
      printer.

      Done. Works for me.

      I hate MacOS X's own printing system.
      It's awfully.

  37. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by rmayes100 · · Score: 1

    I tried this a couple of different ways on Windows 2000 a minute ago and it works fine and didn't crash my system. I used Visual Studio 6 w/ service pack 5. What's the trick? Here's my last attempt:

    int main(int argc, char* argv[])
    {
    printf("\t\t\t");
    printf("\\\\\\");
    ...
    printf("\t\t\t");
    printf("\\\\\\");
    return 0;
    }

  38. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    <i>try printf()ing a few tabs and backslashes in quick succession under 200 or XP ad then tell me it's stable.</i>

    #include <stdlib.h>
    #include <stdio.h>

    int main()
    {
    for (int i=0; i<100; i++)
    {
    int a = rand();
    if (a % 2)
    printf("\t");
    else
    printf("\\");
    }
    return 0;
    }

    Compiling with VC6 on Win2K SP2.

    Results:

    \\ ... \\\ Press an
    y key to continue

    Nary a crash to be found.

    But I found this problem with the compression filter when I tried to post this...

    Your comment violated the "postercomment" compression filter. Try less whitespace and/or less repetition. Comment aborted.

    Well, obviously that isn't enough. Maybe I just ought not post that series of slashes and tabs? In any case, I think if I keep adding text that doesn't repeat or have too much whitespace this comment will make it past the stupid lameness filter.

    Forget it. I'm just going to remove most of the slashes and tabs. The ellipses will stand for all the things that didn't make it into this post because of the lameness filter.

  39. Pre-nup? by toupsie · · Score: 4, Funny
    So is the new apple.slashdot.org a pre-nuptial arrangement that Kathleen Fent required of CmdrTaco before marriage?

    I think it is a cool idea since now, because of Apple, BSD has a 3 to 1 lead over Linux on the Desktop. Take that Tux!

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    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
    1. Re:Pre-nup? by MisterBlister · · Score: 2
      I think it is a cool idea since now, because of Apple, BSD has a 3 to 1 lead [osopinion.com] over Linux on the Desktop. Take that Tux!

      What? Dont you know that BSD is dying? I read all about it here on Slashdot.

    2. Re:Pre-nup? by toupsie · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What? Dont you know that BSD is dying? I read all about it here on Slashdot.

      Yea, I read that all the time. But then again, Apple has been dying since they released the first Mac back in 1984. Every year, I hear "Apple can no longer survive with a 5% market share". They fail to understand that Apple has $4 billion cash in the bank.

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      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
    3. Re:Pre-nup? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's only 1.7B because Jobs snorted the remainder up his snoot.

      1. Macs are for boozers and hippies who can't figure out more than one button on a mouse.

      2. *nix is for geeks with small wanks.

      3. MS is for devil worshipers

      4. BE is for computers that fit in your hand when your wank is too small (see #2)

      5. Amiga is for gods!

    4. Re:Pre-nup? by asv108 · · Score: 2

      Yes but how many OSX users are there that actually know that BSD is there and/or take advantage of OSX's *NIX comapatibility?

    5. Re:Pre-nup? by toupsie · · Score: 2
      Yes but how many OSX users are there that actually know that BSD is there and/or take advantage of OSX's *NIX comapatibility?

      Does it matter as long as they are using BSD/UNIX? It shows UNIX or UNIX-like OSes can make it into grandma's CPU. I think its great they don't know. Its not Windows, so in the end, thats what counts.

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      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
    6. Re:Pre-nup? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, is the new flame-war gonna be "Who has been dying longer?"

  40. Good stuff! Right on, Slashdot! by PatJensen · · Score: 3, Interesting
    First off, I really like the new apple.slashdot.org site, and the GUI is quite lickable. Talk about serious hickory! I'm going to have to wipe off my monitor! Kudos to the graphics designers at /. for this supreme Apple lovin'.

    Now, because I'm at work I haven't had a chance to install the 10.1.3 update. Someone please tell me they did some Aqua or ATI 3D optimization on the Rage chipset in the new iBooks. That is -all- I want! Also, I haven't really seen much comments or reports on the update, since Apple doesn't publish a really big CHANGELOG. But Macintouch has a fairly huge reader reports section. If not, I guess I'll have to wait for the next 10.2 beta.

    Anyone know how to make non-supported DVD drives play with OS X DVD player.app? I have an LG 12x burner 8x DVD that is supposed to work according to xlr8yourmac.com - it'll work fine in OS 9 but no love from 10.1.2. Cool. Have fun!

    -Pat

  41. ahhh by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Worse..Graphics..ever.

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  42. mac ghettos by plastik55 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's because they're tired of Apple user's tireless honest answers to stupid flames:

    CmdrTaco: Oh yeah, the new xMac is out. It can burn DVDs and run BSD software while preparing you a tasteful, healthy meal for you every day and never needs to be taken for a walk, and it actually looks halfway decent, but I won't ever use it because it ships with a one-button mouse.

    Mac-using hordes: BUY A GODDAMN $10 3-BUTTON MOUSE ALREADY!

    Taco: All right, I'm sectioning off a Mac ghetto and sending you there so I don't have to listen anymore.

    BTW, I couldn't post to this article without going through apple.slashdot.org. That's annoying. And a shiny ugly green theme is still an ugly green theme.

    --

    I have a positive modifier on Troll. When I mod someone Troll their karma should go UP!

    1. Re:mac ghettos by iso · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mac-using hordes: BUY A GODDAMN $10 3-BUTTON MOUSE ALREADY!

      I'm just as sick of the one-button mouse complaint as everybody else, but for the record, the vast majority of complaints are about the one-button trackpad that can't simply be replaced.

      - j

    2. Re:mac ghettos by tempest303 · · Score: 2

      the 1 button trackpad is the only reason I don't own an iBook...

    3. Re:mac ghettos by Pandora's+Vox · · Score: 1

      What about buying a 10$ USB 3-button mouse for the iMac? It's really not that difficult, and track pads, be they one, two or three button ones, annoy the hell out of me.

    4. Re:mac ghettos by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sensible Mac-and-Windows-and-Linux owning hordes: But application/OS support for right-clicks/option-clicks isn't as common as it is on the PC, where everyone is forced to have that second button, therefore developers spend the time to code it.

      On the other hand, support for things like secondary-clicks and keyboard shortcuts seems to have improved a lot with 10.1, so maybe my objection is no longer valid...

    5. Re:mac ghettos by wholesomegrits · · Score: 1

      You know, maybe a grammar.slashdot.org would be more of an improvement for people. On grammar.slashdot.org, we'd find things like 'spelling common words' 'capitalization' and certianly 'how 's does not make something plural.' Here's a quick primer, to show you're an educated person:
      's = posessive. Troll's comment. If more than one troll comments, then you have Two trolls comments. 's does not mean 'HEY, THERE'S AN APOSTROPHY COMING!.' Not to sound overly picky, but this is pretty much a 7th grade deal.

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    6. Re:mac ghettos by jamesbrown1000 · · Score: 1

      no they're not. what brand of crack are you smoking? they're always about the mouse. i don't think i've seen more than a handful about the trackpad.

      --
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    7. Re:mac ghettos by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Funny
      It's also possble that we have entered the realm of the post Sarcasta merger. Oooo...

      --
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      --
      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    8. Re:mac ghettos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More probably it's because people are tired of Apple users' irrelevant advocacy posts in inappropriate places. I really don't want to see yet another Apple lamer say "use a Mac!" when discussing improvements to Linux. We all know about Macs here, if we wanted to use them, we would. Get over it and off to your ghetto with you!

    9. Re:mac ghettos by Datafage · · Score: 1

      Some of us don't want to use an external pointing device with a laptop. That's one of the very few things making it hard to decide whether to get a TiBook.

      --

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    10. Re:mac ghettos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't you be making staring lustfully at pics of Wil Wheaton or something...? Tell taco you want wil.wheaton.slashdot.org.

    11. Re:mac ghettos by MasonMcD · · Score: 0, Troll

      Abso*frikkin*lutely. My Q3A play with the trackpad is making my hand claw up. 6... count 'em... WE NEED SIX TRACKPAD BUTTONS!! Are you listening Apple???

    12. Re:mac ghettos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then some of you can stay out of this discussion...

    13. Re:mac ghettos by dalassa · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't this be spelled 'apostrophe'? ;-)

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    14. Re:mac ghettos by Compenguin · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about "It was he," "She is just like I," "It's a good day when its fonts are working," and "I if I were God I would fix Abiword's font support."

    15. Re:mac ghettos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be "Two trolls' comments?"

      Whose comments? The trolls' comments.

    16. Re:mac ghettos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My biggest fear was a careless spelling error....damn.

    17. Re:mac ghettos by Lars+T. · · Score: 2

      Most of those who complain also claim they can "build their own computer". If they can build their own computer, why can't they build a three-button mousepad?

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      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    18. Re:mac ghettos by pfingst · · Score: 1

      They mean they can assemble their own computer. They're not sitting there with a bare circuit board and soldering iron putting a motherboard together.

  43. It's started already.... by Fubar · · Score: 5, Funny
    Looks like Kathleen is 're-decorating'.

    :)
    1. Re:It's started already.... by austad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Looks like Kathleen is 're-decorating'.

      Dammit man, you let her get away with potpourri in the bathroom too didn't you?!?!

      It's just a matter of time before slashdot smells all flowery, and has collectible plates and Precious Moments figurines on glass shelves with doilies on the front page.

      Noooooooooooooooooooooo...........

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    2. Re:It's started already.... by revscat · · Score: 2

      And fluffy toilet lid seat covers! My GOD you can't PISS with those things on the lid, because you have to hold the lid with one hand to keep it from falling down. Thank Socrates my wife thinks those are as annoying as I do.

      No fluffy toilet lid seat covers on /., dammit!

      - Rev.

    3. Re:It's started already.... by wampus · · Score: 1

      Just let the sonofabitch fall and piss on the lid. See how long the fluffy cover stays on the toilet.

    4. Re:It's started already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your wife pees standing up? You do know same sex marriages are illegal, don't you? Even in Vermont.

  44. you troll... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux is already available for the PPC.

  45. what is this? separationistic feelings? by sofar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ah geez people:

    apple.slashdot.org
    windows.slashdot.COM
    micros oft.slashdot.NET
    freebsd.slashdot.edu

    what's the point in separating ourselves from the rest in what /. is all about? It's a multiculture (well, geek-culture of course) discussion and news forum. Maybe it has it's own mind, but at least every opinion is hosted.

    First poll suggestion:

    cease apple.slashdot.org?

    O Yes, please post all mac news on the real /.
    O Maybe, I dunno
    O No, I don't care about the rest, Apple is my leader
    O what's a poll?

    1. Re:what is this? separationistic feelings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot an option:

      O Screw it, go with cowboyneal.slashdot.org !!!

    2. Re:what is this? separationistic feelings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      O Why ask why?
      O Doh!
      O You mean /. is not all about *nix?
      O We are applemaniacs and we dance like no one has ever danced before
      O Just give us p0rn.slashdot.org!!!
      O They still make Macs?
      O Would you like fries with that?

    3. Re:what is this? separationistic feelings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a section, numbnuts

    4. Re:what is this? separationistic feelings? by wizarddc · · Score: 2

      I believe apple.slashdot.org and bsd.slashdot.org are just using filters that you could set in your user account. If you really wnated to, you could set your account up to only see Apple or BSD or MS stories. The cute URL is just for shuts and guggles.

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      Th
  46. No Poll? by sacherjj · · Score: 2

    Do apple.slashdot.org users not get a poll? That is the only reason to come to /.

  47. apple.slashdot.org? by Triv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Question: What does this do to Macslash? I've always looked to them for info first (although the conversations were admittedly dead and moderation points were nonexistant) and they're apparently in a bit of a financial scrape. Personally, I'd rather an active discussion here than dead air there, but I'm still curious. Triv

  48. Re:Why? Well, Why Not? by freality · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's probably a very strategic move into the space of mac info/rumors sites, ~because~ those sites have a dedicated following like /., but with a splintered offering of niche info. In other words, Can /. rule the mac weblog space?

    Slashdot was probably asking themselves "Why not use our brand and slashcode to bring a superior geek news site to a community that has demonstrated their desire for this kind of content."

    The problems you bring up are going to be issues /. will have to deal with or risk dissolving its brand.

    P.S. I used to visit macosrumors everyday, then they posted a link to this new site "Slashdot"... 1997?

  49. I see your problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You said

    try printf()ing a few tabs and backslashes in quick succession under 200 or XP ad

    Well I've heard of Windows 98 and Windows 2000 but not Windows 200. And you probably want to run a program in Windows XP and not an XP advertisement. You'll get better results.

    1. Re:I see your problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now that's just petty.

  50. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by rmayes100 · · Score: 1

    I just tried your code with i

  51. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then Just Download LYNX

  52. 10.1.3 Upgrade Results - TiBook 667 by greygent · · Score: 3, Informative

    Locked up during the "Optimizing OS X" portion of the install. Cursor moved, but no apps responded. I almost expected this, as I read about install lockups with tibook users. I was not immune.

    Powered off, and rebooted. Ran 'sudo update_prebinding -root', which is what "Optimizing OS X" usually means. Seems to work like a champ, now. I notice a little speed increase.

    % uname -a
    Darwin neptune.sps.lane.edu 5.3 Darwin Kernel Version 5.3: Thu Jan 24 22:06:02 PST 2002; root:xnu/xnu-201.19.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc

    1. Re:10.1.3 Upgrade Results - TiBook 667 by megaduck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I suffered the same fate with my G4 cube 450. The GUI just froze up (although I could still telnet in and gracefully shut it down). To tie up any loose ends I downloaded the 10.1.3 package from the Apple support site and ran the update again. Different fix, same end result.

      I'm kind of disappointed that there are problems with this update. Software update has been nothing but solid in the past and it's a shame to see that reputation tarnished. Still, it's a testament to the stability of OS X that it could suffer such a crash and still be totally accessible via ssh or telnet. Much better than the old MacOS.

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    2. Re:10.1.3 Upgrade Results - TiBook 667 by k2r · · Score: 1

      Are you absolutely sure that the system locked up?
      How long did you wait for the optimization to
      complete?

      I waited for about 10 Minutes after the System seemed to have lock and - it finished and rebooted gracefully.

      Maybe you're to impatient ...

    3. Re:10.1.3 Upgrade Results - TiBook 667 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ran 'sudo update_prebinding -root'

      Uh, yeah.. I'm Mr. Dumb Mac user... what the hell does that sudo... upda... what??? I thought Macs were easy to use?

    4. Re:10.1.3 Upgrade Results - TiBook 667 by greygent · · Score: 2

      My entire lunch hour, 40 minutes of which was no disk activity.

      If you didn't know, update_prebindings causes quite a bit of disk activity.

    5. Re:10.1.3 Upgrade Results - TiBook 667 by Red_Winestain · · Score: 1
      My G4 Cube 500 froze during prebinding, but although the mouse still moved, nothing else worked. I have telnet off, but ssh on. I could not ssh into the box.

      However, after forcing a reboot, it booted just fine. Manual prebinding worked, and the system has been running for over 24 hours now with no problem.

      10 out of 10 for robust crash recovery, but -10 for freezing in the first place.

  53. Re:Nice (needs a *little* more work) by Malic · · Score: 1

    All "green title bars" should have the Aqua-ish gradient background to them.

    Honestly, I think the kudos for this new theme show that's time for Slashdot to receive a minor face-lift. Nothing radical. Just a bit of spit'n'polish.

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  54. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just tried your code with i

    I'm going to assume you didn't finish your comme

  55. apple.slashdot.org? by iCharles · · Score: 1
    apple.slashdot.org?!? How come no "windows.slashdot.org." There are plenty of people out there who like Windows as an OS, even using other tools (perl, EMACS, etc.) on them. I number among this group. I'm sure being able to discuss relvent topics would be as much of interested to them as to Apple users.

    Possible explanations:

    • Microsoft is the Evil Empire Perhaps. However, let's not blame the child for the parent.
    • Widnows sucks A matter of opinion (let's not start a flame war on this one). Pleanty hold that opinion of Apple, Linux, ??BSD, Palm, OS/2, etc. Let's stop the hate.
    • Widnows has all these bugs! So does everything else. If anything, this demonstrates the need for a forum.
    • Windows isn't open source Neither is Apple.
    • The owners of the board don't feel like it Quite reasonable.

    Even a different section might be worthwhile.

  56. Re:OSX finder - still wanting by jpellino · · Score: 2

    major
    1. finder views not sticking - AMEN!
    2. springloaded folders
    3. windowshade (is a haxie, *should* be a feature)
    ***are these three so christlessly difficult?***
    minor - could live with haxie but why?
    4. detent in the icon zoom
    5. where the *&^%@! is my os9 desktop in a std file dialog?

    --
    "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
  57. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by rmayes100 · · Score: 1

    Ooops should have previewed...I just tried your code with i<1000000 and it's still running while I post this and obviously hasn't crashed yet.

  58. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by tono · · Score: 1

    first of all, it's not blue, idiot, it's green. Secondly if you don't like it, don't read it. Thirdly Linux isn't known for it's CLI, it's known for Gnome and KDE and being a cheap knock off of a commercial unix.

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  59. Re:Sigh by thedbp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Never ceases to amaze me how much people dismiss Apple out-of-hand simply because its not a free OS.

    I love Linux and what it represents, but it is NOT a viable alternative for people who just want a computer to WORK out of the box when they bring it home.

    It is NOT a viable alternative for graphics professionals, video professionals, and although can be suited for use as a desktop OS in a corporate "office" type environment, it lacks the easy-to-install-and-configure aspect that is holding it back from displacing Windows entirely in corporate America (who could save billions every year by switching to Linux if they were smart).

    Apple, to be fair, is more pricey. But as has been noted MANY times, the total cost of ownership over time is dramatically lower. Linux and Apple should co-exist peacefully. If I want a box for internet surfing and mail checking and light office work and didn't want to spend much $, you're damn right I'd build a cheap linux box. But if I want a computer I can use for EVERYTHING, that works as advertised, with minimal effort in maintenance, where everything i do and need and use on a daily basis is provided immediately upon opening the box and plugging it in, I'll take a Mac, thank you.

    Oh, and as a side note, i have never in over 2 years recieved a single bit of spam at my Mac.Com email address. Wanna know why? They don't sell out their customers.

    And don't give me the upgradability thing..... I just took my B&W G3 350 purchased almost 3 years ago and once again made it a screamer with 1GB of RAM, a new G4 500 proc., an 80GB drive, and a new Radeon 7000. Plus a nice FireWire 16x10x40. It can still crush a P4 1GHz easy. yes, I know they're up to 2.2 Ghz, but Apple's got dual 1GHz ... heh.

    check out:
    http://www.apple.com/myths
    http://www.apple .com/easier

  60. Re:Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what exactly is so unuser-friendly about KDE? and why are you saying the linux community as if the BSDs are left out? thought OSX uses freebsd (in some mangled form) i dont see fbsd or any other bsd getting a new gui facelift. but then again, i find Aqua and Luna to distracting to do any real work. BUT if you really need eyecandy, Enlightenment or Sawfish fit your bill, and are a lot faster than the whole Aqua contraption.

  61. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by PhoenixK7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    its:

    #include
    int main(void)
    {
    printf("\t\b\b");
    return 0;
    }

    I just BSOD'ed my machine with it... :)

    enjoy

    -jsnyder

  62. Don't split out apple! by ruby31sar · · Score: 1

    Don't forget about all of the network admins who have a few apples spotted amongst windows/*nix/solaris and other machines. It sure is nice to rely on /. for all important info regard all major os's. just my $.02.

  63. Why not a minor versions-topic by Aapje · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I would really like is a topic where all these Linux 2.2.0.2.3.4.1.3 and MacOS X 10.1.3 updates are posted so I can skip them. I like to read about a substantially new version of an OS, but why should we be bothered with these minor bug-fixes. The people who use the respective OS's will learn about the update from their own sources (I learned about this update from 5 sites before Slashdot told me about it) and the others couldn't care less about minor fixes that don't affect them.

    Besides, the most important reason to read slashdot is for the comments and these topics get the worst comments of all. It's mostly trolling (Mac/Linux/BSD rulez/sucks) and uninteresting trivia (did you know that this update fixes DVD on external monitors?). Get me some serious technology news that illicits comments about the problems of EPIC or an ethical story about censorship.

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    1. Re:Why not a minor versions-topic by DaDigz · · Score: 1

      Illicit comments, eh? You need to go to xxx.slashdot.org for those... :)

      Ah, you meant elicit... (Hey, one of us had to minor in English)

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    2. Re:Why not a minor versions-topic by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2

      To be fair, the story here was that apple.slashdot.org existed. So it was just fine.

      --

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  64. It'll be a cold day in hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...when Microsoft is cool enough to get a microsoft.slashdot.org

    1. Re:It'll be a cold day in hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're pretty lame and goofy, but you have yro.slashdot.org

    2. Re:It'll be a cold day in hell... by Blackstealth · · Score: 1

      ...talk about being flamebait.

  65. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

    No, it is aqua blue.

    Or a blue green.

    Most most DEFINTLY some short of shade of blue.

    Defintly alot of green in there too though, but also some blue.

  66. PERL 5.4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does anyone know why perl 5.4 in os X does not run like in Linux. The routines I am using are found in learning perl work great in linux ,but put them in osx they do not work....

    1. Re:PERL 5.4 by pudge · · Score: 2

      perl 5.4? You mean perl 5.004? Mac OS X ships with perl 5.6.0, not perl 5.004. It did from day one.

    2. Re:PERL 5.4 by bsartist · · Score: 1

      There was no Perl 5.4 - Do you mean 5.004? If so, that's a very old version of Perl - OS/X ships with the current version, which is 5.6. Check out the perldelta man page to find out what has changed.

      Also, if you have the first-edition Learning Perl (the cover is pink), you should be aware that it teaches Perl 4 - it was published long before Perl 5 was released. There are *major* differences between Perls 4 and 5, and you'd be well-advised to buy the new edition.

      Beyond that - do you have a specific question? "They do not work" is too vague to give a meaningful answer.

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    3. Re:PERL 5.4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the person means 5.6.0 ....heh :) anyway I seen what the person is talking about in learning perl book from oreily 2nd addition the perl examples work in linux but do not seem to work from OS X stand point. Has anyone experience or has a fix for this?

    4. Re:PERL 5.4 by pudge · · Score: 2

      nyway I seen what the person is talking about in learning perl book from oreily 2nd addition the perl examples work in linux but do not seem to work from OS X stand point

      Which examples?

    5. Re:PERL 5.4 by pelorus · · Score: 1
      Could it be because linux has perl in /bin/perl and Mac OS X has it in /usr/bin/perl?


      Just a thought...

    6. Re:PERL 5.4 by bsartist · · Score: 1

      As I said before, "it doesn't work" is too vague a question to give a meaningful answer. What code doesn't work, and in what way does it fail? What errors are reported?

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  67. Meta Comment by donglekey · · Score: 2

    1. Apple will never release OS X for Intel although it would be cool, they make most of their money from hardware!

    2. Apple.slashdot.org should not a high priority. No equal representation.

    3. Aqua/OS X theme is cool.

    4. Don't complain about OS X, its Unix and its cool.

    5. return this/self;

  68. syndication? by passion · · Score: 2

    Are we going to see some syndication here? I mean - like the /. XML file found on the main site?

    I like to browse the headlines, and not go back and revisit every stinking discussion site I watch every single day.

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    - passion
    1. Re:syndication? by pudge · · Score: 2

      It's always worked that way for sections. Check it out.

    2. Re:syndication? by passion · · Score: 1

      thank you - that will do nicely.

      Where do they publish this stuff, or is everyone just expected to learn about it through word of mouth?

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      - passion
    3. Re:syndication? by pudge · · Score: 1

      You're just supposed to be highly evolved enough to know it instinctively. ;-)

  69. It's about the applications by 71thumper · · Score: 1

    Finally, even as a corporate manager, I was able to go to a UNIX on my laptop without dual-booting, etc. It's what I needed -- a UNIX with MS Office! While there's still some corner cases where not having a windows machine is annoying, they aren't every day occurances.

    It *is* all about the applications.

  70. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, you're now in the history books, as the über-poster of slashdot.

  71. SCSI CD-RW support by nullard · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm just glad that my old SCSI Yamaha 8x4x24 actually works in OS X using the built in Disc Burner and iTunes. Burning CDs was just about the last thing justifying keeping OS 9 on my G4.

    --


    t'nera semordnilap
    1. Re:SCSI CD-RW support by pudge · · Score: 2

      Whoa, cool, I didn't even notice that. I too have a SCSI Mac (PowerBook Bronze) and a Yamaha external. I gotta try it out!

  72. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by PhoenixK7 · · Score: 1

    In my case you have to run that like 3 times before the machine goes, maybe something like this is more appropriate:

    #include
    int main(void)
    {
    int i;
    for (i=0; i100; i++) {
    printf("\t\b\b");
    }
    return 0;
    }

  73. Multiple desktops by GeorgeH · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out Space for multiple desktops. Not quite true multiple desktops but I can't imagine OS X without it.

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  74. So has slashcode been by ellem · · Score: 3, Funny

    Carbonized or rewritten completely in Cocoa?

    (I really tried, I just couldn't help myself)

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  75. update locks up *all* of my G4-based machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Thus far, 10.1.3 has locked up *every* G4 system I have tried it on... first gen "Yikes" G4, Sawtooth G4, and PowerBook G4.

    Beware! It seems Apple has not tested this release and we the users are going to pay dearly for it. This is not acceptable.

    1. Re:update locks up *all* of my G4-based machines by denjin · · Score: 1

      Didn't have any issues doing the update on my Quicksilver 867.

    2. Re:update locks up *all* of my G4-based machines by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 1
      Thus far, 10.1.3 has locked up *every* G4 system I have tried it on... first gen "Yikes" G4, Sawtooth G4, and PowerBook G4.

      Beware! It seems Apple has not tested this release and we the users are going to pay dearly for it. This is not acceptable.

      Installed fine on my G4/466 Digital Audio... I also notice a speed boost! Yay! Is your firmware up to date?

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      -- if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic - Lewis Carrol
  76. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Graff · · Score: 2
    Do we REALLY have to put up with this ass end UGLY interface?
    Alrighty then the Palm version of Slashdot should be perfect for you. Have fun!
  77. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by tono · · Score: 1

    Actually the base color used for the gradient, is the same exact color as the normal slashdot theme.

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  78. Faster by ruiner13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It really seems much snappier. I updated a G4/450 and a G3/350 without problem, and all window functions and menu functions are really faster. It is most apparent on the G3. THe G4 has a gig of ram, and the g3 has 128, but without classic on the machine, it runs very well and can convert MP3's to an audio CD in iTunes at 8x speed. Not bad for old hardware.

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  79. re:alt.annoying.stuckup.proper.english.snob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Sir,

    It has come to my attention that you are a annoying grammar nazi. Being that this a free form BB where grammar and spellings come second to a comment's underlying meaning, we the poor spelling, run on sentance writers, misusers of the english language, would kindly ask you to fuck off and stick to the classroom where children can throw spit balls at you and make fun of your name. That is all.

  80. Re:DVD player also works on Pismo Powerbook G3 ! by tarkin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm very pleased to say it also works great on the Powerbook G3 (Pismo/Firewire)
    Just tested it on my TV and on an external monitor, all I can say is SWEEEEEET
    Together with an Cordless Optical Mouse from Logitech it's the ideal makedue DVD platform ;-)

    Now al we need is support for VCD and SVCD under OSX. And maybe mp3 audio support in quicktime so we can play Divx without all that conversion stuff.

    Apple really dropped the proverbial ball on that one if you ask me. I thought it was THE multimedia OS ?

    Oh, well I'm already happy I can play my copy "Hackers" when I'm in need of my regular fix of pure Bullshit.

    --
    blaah !
  81. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good clarification. I was going to call you a liar (and the guy who originally posted the vulnerability incorrectly), but you only need to count to 3 kill Windows.

    I didn't get a bluescreen, though, just a reboot.

  82. also in german! by skymester · · Score: 2, Informative

    What impressed me, was that the update was instantly availible in the german language version also. I (Mac user since two weeks) expected to have to wait at least a few days.

    Does apple always release all language versions at the same time?
    Would be nice.

    BTW: hasnt anybody sayed recently that Star Wars Episode II will premire in europe on the same day as in US. Do i see the trend here that US companies stop treating ther non US customers as second class people, or is it just apple.

    1. Re:also in german! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      I think the OS updates are independent of the language. Every once in a while, you'll see updates for increased localization support, so that's when they update the German and Chinese, etc. functionality. As far as I know, all of their OS updates are available to everyone all at once.

  83. Re:Why? Well, Why Not? by Don+Negro · · Score: 2

    P.S. I used to visit macosrumors everyday, then they posted a link to this new site "Slashdot"... 1997?

    It was January 1998. BlackLightMedia - parent company of MOSR - used to do ad sales for /. That's how I ended up here.

    --

    Don Negro
    Perl 6 will give you the big knob. -- Larry Wall

  84. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Dan+Guisinger · · Score: 1

    No Wonder.
    K7? Gesh, them AMDs are always so unstable :p

  85. Karma Whoring For Apple? by namespan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmmmm. I'm wondering if, with the advent of apple.slashdot.org, I'll be able to come here, make pro-apple comments, and more easily get Karma.

    Not that I don't have better things to do with my time... and most Apple fans I know really aren't drooling idiots.... but one has to wonder if segmenting the audience would lead to this kind of change in moderation.... kindof like talk radio shows don't tend to attract people whose views diverge wildly....

    Just a thought...

    --
    Libertarianism is rich wolves and poor sheep playing gambler's ruin for dinner.
    1. Re:Karma Whoring For Apple? by Auckerman · · Score: 1

      "Hmmmm. I'm wondering if, with the advent of apple.slashdot.org, I'll be able to come here, make pro-apple comments, and more easily get Karma."

      Actually, yes you can. I've been at 50 Karma for over a year (more or less) with almost all of my "pro-Apple" posts getting modded to at least 4. Slashdot is not as "anti-apple" as you might think, or "anti-windows" for that matter. it's not the content, its the quality (with the exception of the one post I did that got like 70 moderations)

      --

      Burn Hollywood Burn
  86. Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    apple.slashdot.org has been around for over a year. It is called MacSlash and it is run by actual Mac users.

    1. Re:Nothing new by krow · · Score: 2

      Actually pudge is a real Mac bigot :)

      The last time I checked the computer sitting next to my Linux box is a G4 with OSX. Of course, I am a UNIX bigot, not a Linux bigot.

      --
      You can't grep a dead tree.
    2. Re:Nothing new by EddydaSquige · · Score: 1

      But generaly a story posted on /. about apple will get about 1000 time more responses then one on mac/. And Mac/ seems to be updated only once every 4 or 5 years (well, not that long but you get my drift)

    3. Re:Nothing new by castlan · · Score: 1

      Just be glad you're not an Apple fringe (clone supporting), Windows Using, GNU advocating, C=64 loving BeOS bigot. Even if I secured the funds for a New Macintosh, I'd only be slightly sated, resentful of Chairman Jobs, and wistful for OpenBeOS' unveiling.

      In the meantime, I'm slashdotting on Win2k, short on 72pin true Parity for my TurboSlab Color (Which isn't supported by Linux, or even NetBSD!) and still trying to get Darwin going on my PowerCenter Mac clone. (Why PowerTower, but not PowerCenter!)
      -castlan

  87. Quicktime by thumperward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Forgive me for stifling a snigger. It's a sad day when your flagship multimedia viewer is actually prettier than any content you can get to run using its horrible, proprietary movie format from hell. I think the majority of people purchasing Quicktime Pro are doing so for the 'Export' feature now, which enables them to get all the bloody .movs off their machine and into a sensible, compact, free format.

    Of course the fact that Apple insists you do this via translation to horrid old formats like Cinepak is a bit annoying. Far less annoying than a media player which won't even render its interface properly on my machine, continues to fail to support easy fullscreen switching, and takes longer to load than Windows MP. Arrrrg.

    - Chris

    1. Re:Quicktime by tarkin · · Score: 2, Informative
      For the record :

      We do not have to convert Divx to cinepak or something !
      Just install the Divx quicktime component, and then we have 2 choices :

      use Avi2Mov that simply converts all the stuff for you and creates a working .mov

      Extract the mp3 track from the avi , and merge it with Quicktime (Pro). It saves the same avi again but with playable audio.

      Here's the link with all the info for those who need more info

      I really don't see how a rant about proprietary software is in order, but hey - this is slashdot ;-)

      --
      blaah !
    2. Re:Quicktime by thumperward · · Score: 1

      I wasn't talking about converting to Quicktime, but from it. Because the music industry continues to insist on providing any Enhanced content on CDs using the arcane and evil dual technologies of Flash and Quicktime, I frequently end up removing music vids from said enhanced CDs which are encoded using Sorenson and some esoteric audio compression, and yet still coming out at 80+MB.

      In order to store these on my HD I convert them to Divx AVIs, which take up around eighteen MB with the best quality that can be obtained through conversion between lossy formats. Not only can I then put all my vids into one playlist, on one media player, but I can also easily use WMP's double-click fullscreen switch.

      Not to mention the fact that AVi files are a doddle to edit, which means I can splice in a CD-ripped audio track to make up for the horrible fuzz that the Quicktime audio codec has made of the sound.

      Of course I'll be pleased as punch if QT6 will make this unnecessary, but I'm not holding high hopes. Quicktime simply isn't that good at any of the stuff it can do, and eye candy makes no difference to me, because I don't look at the frame when i'm judging the painting.

      - Chris

  88. Also... by Evro · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you look to your left, you'll see that there's also ask.slashdot.org, features.slashdot.org, books.slashdot.org, interviews.slashdot.org, etc.

    --
    rooooar
  89. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by daeley · · Score: 2

    this would be one good reason to disable images

    This might also be a good reason to stand up, step slowly away from the computer, and walk outside for a deep breath. :)

    --
    I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
  90. Re:FDLHAO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't laugh... out here at the Farm we are having the same problem. We had to kill net access to a whole floor in CoNo where the web and graphic designers are as their stock adapters are now talking trash all over and spiking the routers. It's not funny. I am going to be here all night backing this crap off machines.

  91. Re:Sigh by Penrod+Pooch · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I honestly don't give a shit if apple is easier to use than free software. Apple is just another proprietary software company, just as bad as Microsoft. The only reason slashdot-dwellers don't hate 'em as much as MS is that Jobs is a crappier saleman than Gates.

  92. You are being FAR too kind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot the decimal point, perhaps? 7.5

  93. Our own sandbox? by sg3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First, I have to say, I've had no problems with 10.1.3, and it works fine on my PowerBook G4.

    About the apple.slashdot.org site: does this mean that Apple stories won't be cross-posted to the regular slashdot site? If they are still cross posted, then that's cool.

    If not, I see a problem: partitioning Apple-related stories away in a separate site from general science, technology, YRO, and other non-Linux stories seems counterproductive and silly. I mean, there's a reason why MacSlash doesn't get a tenth of the traffic as Slashdot. That is, as a Mac user (and Linux and Windows user), I don't care to visit another site that only covers Mac stuff; that's what Macintouch and MacCentral are for.

    So if this site is going to be like the latter, you should have done a poll to see which topic had to get off the swingset and play by itself.

    The Aqua-fied slash look is pretty cool, though.

    --
    Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
    1. Re:Our own sandbox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say segregate them all! ... and the aquafied look is not so aguaific!

      "What makes the grass grow green?"

      "Blood, blood, blood!"

    2. Re:Our own sandbox? by moogla · · Score: 1


      [see my other comment]

      Since it's the same server, it would be more difficult to not cross-post.

      --
      Black holes are where the Matrix raised SIGFPE
    3. Re:Our own sandbox? by meekjt · · Score: 1

      I think the more interesting Apple stories will be posted on the main page just like some of the BSD stories are.

  94. Winblowz. How original. by thumperward · · Score: 1

    Wow - I didn't realise AOL had branched into Linux. Or are you surfing slashdot on your Dreamcast?

    I use Linux on a daily basis, but my start menu contains fifty or sixty reasons why I'll not be using it on the desktop for the foreseeable future. Aside from the fact that I hate the way that every non-MS browser renders webpages, which is just as important to me.

    - Chris

    1. Re:Winblowz. How original. by Deemz · · Score: 0

      No AOL here. Dreamcasts are for games, and I surf the web with OSX and OmniWeb. I just get so tired of everything revolving around MS users. And yes, Linux is not ready for desktop use but, do we really need people injecting a MS biase on every stinking story?

    2. Re:Winblowz. How original. by TheGreek · · Score: 2
      I surf the web with OSX and OmniWeb.

      Heh. You probably use OmniWeb only because it's Cocoa and renders text using CoreGraphics. You probably think that Cocoa applications are somehow more "native" on Mac OS X than Carbon ones*. Hell, don't let me just throw out suppositions. Tell me why.

      do we really need people injecting a MS biase on every stinking story?


      Comments that are favorable of Microsoft products do not necessarily indicate any sort of "Microsoft Bias" in any way, shape, or form.

      I use Windows 2000, Windows XP, Mac OS X, and FreeBSD. I enjoy reading articles about all of the above operating systems--almost as much as I enjoy reading the comments of single-minded, short-sighted OS zealots about how their OS is the ONE TRUE OS.

      C'mon, kids. Time to leave Middle School.

      --
      *Hint: You're wrong.

  95. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by rmayes100 · · Score: 1

    Yeh this caused my machine to reboot too. Just for clarification the original poster said tab and backslash, \b is backspace.

  96. OT: Palindrome Date by lebjoot · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Too late. If you was a little quicker you could post this in a great date:
    02/02/02-20:02
    It was close.
    Maybe next time :)
    10 12 2101

    BTW, I found a nice page with palindrome date It's in french but very easy to read.

    Some palindromes, just for fun:

    "So many dynamos!"
    "Too hot to hoot."
    "A man, a plan, a canal--Panama."
    "Was it a car or a cat I saw?"
    "Dubya won, no way bud!"

    --
    Is this /.-honeypot? Oh well, whatever...
  97. It's Cool... by WiseWeasel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It provides an alternative to other Mac sites with a discussion-based theme. Macslash and the other / sites are cool, but it's a pain to have accounts at all those sites, whereas here, we can just use our /. accounts and post with the convenience of the /. cookie in your Browser's cookies. It makes it convenient for all these Mac users to join the discussion and comment on different stories. Due to this, I'm sure we will get rich discussions here, not available on other Mac sites, due to the volume of /. users. If the main stories keep getting posted to the main /. page, and if they get some additional Mac heads to post interesting Mac-related articles to this section exclusively, this could be a good alternative to other Mac news sites. I'm all for it, as long as they don't stop posting important Apple stories to the main page.

    --
    "I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
  98. My favorite new feature... by MidKnight · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... is in the Detect Displays button on the Displays System Preferences pane. Previously, to get my laptop to recognize an external display, you'd have to put it to sleep & wake it back up. This wasn't a big deal, since OS X can go to sleep & wake back up in about 4 seconds total. But, it's nice to have a button to detect other monitor(s) on the fly.

    And on a random external-monitor point, it blows people away when you're doing an Powerpoint presentation, then you pull up a pretty translucent terminal for a Unix-y CLI demo, then you start up an X-served app, all from a little Mac laptop. It amazes me that so many *nix folk still don't appreciate the phenomenal job Apple has done w/ OS X.

    --Mid

    1. Re:My favorite new feature... by hotsauce · · Score: 1

      Ahh! That new theme is still a little shocking!

      Anyway, I have never had the issue with detecting external monitors that you speak of. I simply choose the resolution that says dual display.

      In addition to translucent, try the typeface Monaco 12 or 13. Anti-aliasing in the terminal is sweet!

  99. things you should know BEFORE installing. by pinkpineapple · · Score: 2

    You will need 300MB of free space on your macosx volume to download and because I partitioned my disk and there is no way in the updater to specify a different volume, well I am fscked. The installer will start filling up what ever free space you have before giving you the error message, so you lose all that time before finding out. Bug!

    I've got two (2) ibooks here. And YES, if you have two or more machines, you will need to do the download n times because the file can't be opened after download.

    apple.slashdot.org: I think it sucks. It just put people like me who use both Linux and OS X on the tip toe. Please do something about that and remove this alienated walls around mac stuff.

    PPA, the girl next door.

    --
    -- I feel better now. Thanks for asking.
    1. Re:things you should know BEFORE installing. by SaturnTim · · Score: 2

      Actually, no, you don't have to download it twice. You have your choice of either 1) downloading the installer from apple using the link off of versiontracker.com, or 2) after the software uplate control panel downloads it, but before you reboot, use the control panel's "Save As" feature to save the installer.

      --
      http://www.theMediaBunker.com
    2. Re:things you should know BEFORE installing. by b1t+r0t · · Score: 2
      And YES, if you have two or more machines, you will need to do the download n times because the file can't be opened after download.

      Download the installer through Apple's web page instead of using Software Update. You can even get a "combo" updater that updates from as far back as 10.1.

      --

      --
      "Open source is good." - Steve Jobs
      "Open source is evil." - Microsoft
    3. Re:things you should know BEFORE installing. by gordon_schumway · · Score: 1
      you will need to do the download n times because the file can't be opened after download.

      Not true! You can download it directly from here and install on different machines.

      --

      Ha! I kill me!

  100. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by scrod · · Score: 1

    It's seriously not blue at all. Do you suffer from some form of color blindness or is it simply your uncalibrated PC monitor?

  101. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn off auto reboot in the System Properties-&gtAdvanced->Startup and Recovery dialog.

    It's a user-mode blue screen, which is quite unusual.

  102. Re:alt.annoying.stuckup.proper.english.snob by lee1 · · Score: 1

    I'm with tomblackwell. This is more fundamental than a transparent spelling or grammar hiccup. Because the original author used a phrase with a very particular meaning without, it seems, knowing what it means, his comment is just confusing: whatever he intended to say (the "underlying meaning") is lost. Think of it this way: do I assume that he uses the phrase to mean what it actually means, and try to figure out what he could possibly be thinking? Or do I try to guess just in what way he is confused as to the meaning of the phrase, and work out his intention that way? There's not much chance in getting your "underlying meaning" across, you see, if you make up your own definitions for words and idioms.

  103. NIPSPLODE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ahhh... finally, someone at /. realizes that there is only one true computing platform and that all others are mere shams.

    You should all get on bended knee and pray to Mr. Jobs, the hallowed saint of psychadelic computers and nightly cat litter eating.

    Mac goodness... it doesn't get any better than this!

  104. Nerd are not just techies by Meech · · Score: 1

    I am having a hard time believing that the Mac fans that regularly read slashdot are not fit for a serious discussion. The "Oooh, shiny" group you speak of would never read slashdot and in fact probably are graphic designers or musicians. A person that has the integrity to read slashdot and also run Mac OS X knows a thing or two about technology.

    also while you mention nerds, there are many types of nerds. There are the "converting polor to cylindrical" type nerds, the "two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen" type nerd, and even the "and one time...at band camp" type. Regularly slashdot posts stories about the solar system and phyics. The nerds that you speak of would hardly fit that discussion.

    1. Re:Nerd are not just techies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A person that has the integrity to read slashdot and also run Mac OS X knows a thing or two about technology.

      Integrity? You think it takes integrity to read slashdot?

      Do you even know what the word means?

    2. Re:Nerd are not just techies by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 0

      It means what you lack.

      --
      Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
  105. The rumours are true! by The+Pi-Guy · · Score: 1

    Taco IS getting payed by Apple, they even created apple./..com!

    --joshua

  106. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by King+of+the+World · · Score: 0

    Why yes. If someone doesn't like this tired look they 'll surely be happy with text-only - good one, hippy.

  107. Karma Whoring For Apple and I'm all out o' mod pts by mactari · · Score: 2

    Sorry man, I don't have any mod points right now. How about a binhexed .mp3 of Take California instead? :^)

    --

    It's all 0s and 1s. Or it's not.
  108. Drivers? by karlm · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I confess I've looked at the Aple support sight, but haven't dug too deeply. Can the "Classic" emulation layer now wrap drivers and expose them as Darwin drivers?

    When I was home for Christmas, I noticed that Mom had an unopened OSX box on her shelf. She didn't know she had it. She's the kind of person that still asks me about "memory" when she means to talk about HD space and it seems that OSX would protect her from herself much better than OS 9.1 does. The only problem is that HP doesn't have printer drivers for her printer under OS X. She would get extremely confused if some apps could use the printer but others gave her error messages.

    I end up solving printer issues for her every few months. Last time, I had to talk her though downloading and reinstallilng the printer drivers over the phone. (Thank God she has a second line for the modem.) Over Christmas, it was a cable that had giggled itself loose, but almost everything else seems to have been either stability or protection issues with OS 9.

    BTW, those Apple guys are masters of (relatively) seamless transitions off of legacy Hardware/Software/APIs. I wish things were so good for things I can afford on my student budget. Maybe CLR/Mono will do better than Java for this problem, although I think we're going to start seeing legacy VMs being a problem. Anyone working on coding up a good java JIT to run under Mono or a bytecode cross compiler from JVM to CLR?

    --
    Copyright Violation:"theft, piracy"::Anti-Trust Violation:"thermonuclear price terrorism"<-Overly dramatic language.
    1. Re:Drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      She's the kind of person that still asks me about "memory" when she means to talk about HD space

      HD space is a form of memory. Don't be so fucking condescending towards your mother.

    2. Re:Drivers? by Pope · · Score: 1
      Can the "Classic" emulation layer now wrap drivers and expose them as Darwin drivers?

      No.

      OS X has a lot going for it, stability-wise, but installing applications requires Administrator access, as do a good number of other functions.

      I personally prefer 9 to X for the moment, but I dual boot to try out funky things in X every once in a while. I have a feeling that your Mom's better off in 9 for now. You could always introduce it to her, see if she likes it.

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
  109. What's really changed (Bullet points, hah!) by ronabop · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you're kind of person who really wants to know how much is in an "update" (Measly bullet points doesn't do it justice):
    "lsbom /Library/Receipts/MacOSXUpdate10.1.3.pkg/Contents/ Resources/MacOSXUpdate10.1.3.bom"
    Will produce a file listing... piped to WC, there's 1832 files/folders involved in this "litte" fix.

  110. MacSlash by kriebz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happened to MacSlash.org
    If thsi si the same thing, why the "new" site?
    If it isn't, why don't you leave this to them?

    1. Re:MacSlash by msouth · · Score: 2

      Um, yeah, you're right. 1,000 apple-related sites is enough, but 1001 is too many!

      But seriously, this is being put up as a favor to MacSlash--the idea is to have a place here for troll-gathering and keep MacSlash's sig/noise higher...

      --
      Liberty uber alles.
    2. Re:MacSlash by The+Absentminded+Art · · Score: 1

      Funny, I hadn't even heard of MacSlash until I came across this site today, and I've been reading /. for several years! Maybe I'm not the only one who hasn't heard of MacSlash either. I can't access their website. The server keeps timing out.

      --
      http://www.cootey.com/absent.html Elfin Artworks: Fractal art - Anime style Illust - Comics
  111. Re:Sigh by thumperward · · Score: 1

    When you're old enough to have a social security number, you might want to work for a living. This may require you to make some money out of things.

    Apple makes its money out of selling Macs, not selling MacOS. Seeing as they make all the damn hardware, they don't owe you a damn thing as regards to other ways to use it - I don't see people bitching that the schematics to their microwave firmware aren't open-sourced.

    They're kind enough to let you run Linux on it if you want, which is of course what you and your 1337 friends will have to do, assuming you can make enough at McDonalds to buy a Mac.

    I have zero desire to see the source to my OS, as long as it works the way I want it to. I get no joy from compiling other people's programs. I will never be submitting patches to Linus Torwalds. This bothers me not one jot.

    Alas, you believe that the world owes you a favour and an OS and if it does stump up then it 5uckz. I'm sure the world isn't too bothered.

    - Chris

  112. Themes?!? by Weasel+Boy · · Score: 1

    "And a shiny ugly green theme is still an ugly green theme."

    What are you talking about? apple.slashdot.org gives me exactly the same, widgetless, dingbatless, minimal HTML representation as the regular slashdot.org. :-)

  113. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When your old enough to debate without ad hominem attacks you may come back. Go do some growing up.

  114. Install Froze, No SMTP+SSL by dew · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just installed 10.1.3: the install froze on my titanium g4 about 1/3 of the way through the "optimization" phase. I rebooted after the system became unresponsive and it looks like all the updates are in place, although 10.1.3 isn't listed as having been installed on my Software Update Log.

    Getting IMAP+SSL support in Mail is huge for me since that's the only way into my mail server (short of pine over SSH!). Unfortunately, Mail doesn't seem to support SMTP+SSL, so I have to rely on local relays which change depending on my connection. What a simple feature to add and what a joy that would bring to me!

    It's a good update, but some loose ends remain.

    --

    David E. Weekly
    Code / Think / Teach / Learn
    h4x0r for

    1. Re:Install Froze, No SMTP+SSL by j+h+woodyatt · · Score: 1

      Here is a rude trick from the Terminal.app prompt that I use:

      sudo ssh -N -L 25:mail.example.com:25 mail.example.com

      Set the outgoing mail host for your account to "localhost" after you run this, and your local SMTP port will be forwarded to the SMTP port on your mail host by SSH. There has to be an SSH daemon that will let you log in on the SMTP host for this to work.

      The SMTP/TLS specification only just went to Proposed Standard Protocol with the publication of RFC 3207 earlier this month. The IMAP/TLS specification has been a proposed standard for like two years already.

      --
      jhw
  115. It's not like they set up seperate servers... by moogla · · Score: 2, Informative

    [root@loki /root]# nslookup www.slashdot.org
    -snip-
    Name: slashdot.org
    Address: 64.28.67.150
    Aliases: www.slashdot.org

    [root@loki /root]# nslookup apple.slashdot.org
    -snip-
    Name: slashdot.org
    Address: 64.28.67.150
    Aliases: apple.slashdot.org

    [root@loki /root]# nslookup bsd.slashdot.org
    -snip-
    Name: slashdot.org
    Address: 64.28.67.150
    Aliases: bsd.slashdot.org

    They're just aliases, a neat way to filter out topics without doing any extra work.

    --
    Black holes are where the Matrix raised SIGFPE
    1. Re:It's not like they set up seperate servers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so cool! How did you know how to use that nslookup thing? It doesn't look like I've installed in on my version of windows.

      What's that 'root' thing? I don't get it.

    2. Re:It's not like they set up seperate servers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bend over boy its time to learn what a root is.

  116. +1? by thumperward · · Score: 1

    Insightful? Someone been handing out mod status to the script kidz again?

    - Chris

    1. Re:+1? by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      That was insightful.

      --
      My only political goal is to see to it that no political party achieves its goals.
    2. Re:+1? by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 0

      -- I've heard that Sir Gerald de Barlow has a pet Prawn called Simon, and you wouldn't call HIM a loony!

      --
      Lump lingered last in line for brains, and the ones she got were sorta rotten and insane.
  117. So?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Those dates merely establish the start date for copyright protection in the author's opinion. I doubt anyone's gonna care about OS X 10.1.3 in seventy odd years.

  118. Re:10.1.3 Upgrade Results-TiBook 667: Worked Fine by SteveM · · Score: 1

    Worked fine via software update on my TiBook 667.

    Steve M

  119. Re:Uhh.. Look at the sections... by tupps · · Score: 1

    whole bunch of them,

    apache, apple, askslashdot, books, bsd, developers, features, interviews, radio, science, yro

    It allows slashdot to post stories about those topics without having to put them on the front page.

    Slashdot might figure there are already enough high quality Linux and Windows news sites.

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  120. Real poo on other pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is here

  121. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apple is just another proprietary software company"

    Huh?...http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/ da rwin/1.4/release.html... oh look I can download all of the source for the unix end that powers my mac...and I can get it for x86 too...man that's rough huh?...how about from now on: less whining and more research be fore you soput you yap off?

  122. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
    Suffice to say, try printf()ing a few tabs and backslashes in quick succession under 200 or XP ad then tell me it's stable

    Nope d00d, that doesn't work. Trust me. It's the same as that urban legend a few years back about something on a floppy being able to blue-screen NT 3.5. OS zealots like those funny stories but they're very rarely true.

    Hope this helps.

  123. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, we're so sorry.

    /, the world's smallest violin playing, "My Heart Bleeds for You".

    Drip...
    Drip....
    Drip.....

  124. Law Suit by BobLenon · · Score: 2, Funny

    OK, so when is slashdot gonna get sued for using a transparent logo ala OSX, not to mention you used the word apple. OMG!

    ;-)

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  125. Re: Lickable by dickDragon · · Score: 1

    I did a blind lick test and couldn't tell the
    difference in lickability.

  126. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, it does. He's got the gist of it down, but it's actually 'backspace', not 'backslash'.

    Try this:

    #include <stdio.h>

    int main()
    {
    for (int i=0; i<100; i++)
    {
    printf("\t\b\b");
    }

    return 0;
    }

    Once it backs past the beginning of the buffer by 3 spaces you'll get a user-mode blue screen.

    It shouldn't happen because of protected memory and all that, but it does.

  127. /. needs skins! by Numeric · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I love the look and feel of this web site, it makes me feel all squishy inside! Maybe Slashdot should have skins for each user! What does everyone else think?

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  128. feeling more at home already... by kuma · · Score: 1

    links to macintouch and macnn?!

    cmdrtaco is speaking to the heart of mac fans, even those who prefer macfixit and mwj ^_^;

    welcome to a kinder, cooler, wetter slashdot?

  129. BINGO by jon_c · · Score: 1

    I think we have a winnner.

    (personally i'm getting sick of it already)

    -Jon

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  130. Theoretically, there might be a way around this... by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It might be possible to work out a scheme using mouse acceleration to determine whether the user is shooting for the menubar at the top or a window. If there were certain characteristics of the mouse pointer accelerating towards the menubar that are different from those of a mouse pointer accelerating towards a window, it might be possible to use the differences in acceleration to make a distinction between the two situations and be able to apply the following focus to only when the pointer is meant to hit the window.

    Of couse, this would probably require serious quantities of HCI experiments and a damn fine usability lab. Some AI work might also be necessary. But it is theoretically possible.

  131. This update is just what I needed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a hard drive that hadn't been recently erased by an apple installer! This makes it so much easier!

  132. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by 90XDoubleSide · · Score: 2
    I stick with PCs because I -CANNOT STAND BLUE FRIGGIN CURVY EDGES INTERFACES-

    This site is green and OS X is primarily white. I can think of one operating system that uses blue curvy edges pervasively, however...

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  133. curious why not hosting on OSX? by ubiquitin · · Score: 1

    I see apple.slashdot.org is running on a linux server. Further evidence that OS X is really a client-side unix build.

    I'd expect a dual gigahertz Mac would handle the traffic, why not give it a go?

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    1. Re:curious why not hosting on OSX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to get raped on hardware costs, it's better to get raped using an open architecture like x86. that's why.

  134. In case the karma whore gets modded down.... by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 1

    ...i pre-emptively laugh.

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    1. Re:In case the karma whore gets modded down.... by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 2

      wor.d

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  135. "Oooh... shiny!" - Kiki, "Sluggy Freelance" by Grail · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am not Kiki. I am, however, a Mac OS X fan.

    Here are some of the things I like about Mac OS X:

    • I can run my Mac OS 9 applications (albeit a tad slower than native Mac OS 9)
    • I can run GNU tools on the command line
    • I can use SSH to remotely control my Macintosh
    • I can run X Windows Applications locally or remotely
    • I can do Java development using command line tools like "vim", "javac"

    That's just the things that matter most to me right now, out of the box.

    Oh... one final point I almost forgot - the Aqua interface looks pretty cool. For a while. Failing all else, you can pick up "themes" through MetamorphX from CharonSoft.

    Mac OS X is very functional. It's as functional for my purposes than Linux on my PC running WindowMaker or Enlightenment.

    As for your last statement - can you provide evidence to support this claim? I don't think Sony approaches the topic the same way you do. I don't think the Ubiquitous Computing folks approach this topic the same way you do either.

  136. Re:OSX finder - still wanting by Have+Blue · · Score: 2

    On your OS 9 volume, named Desktop Folder.

  137. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Out of curiosity, what do you think XP is? Hey, that one is on your platform ;-)

  138. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Snootch · · Score: 2

    Yes, I'm sorry, I mean backspace, yes I have tried it, I killed my machine again doing it right after I posted that comment, just to prove to myself that I wasn't talking bollocks.

  139. That doesn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Huh? Why is that? Apple is not worried about Slashdot using Aqua-ish themes, they are worried about other _desktops_ using Aqua-ish themes. Nobody ever said "Well, I like OS X, but I think I'm gonna switch to Slashdot..."

    1. Re:That doesn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I like OS X, but I think I'm gonna switch to Slashdot...

      (ha ha)

  140. Additions to Still wanting by Cadre · · Score: 2
    • Software Basestation
    • Sloppy Cursor Focus!!!
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  141. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody gets it?
    Apple's address is:

    1 Infinite Loop
    Cupertino, CA 95014

    I fell out of my chair laughing at that one.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fell out of my chair laughing at that one.

      Only you, dude.

  142. simple explanation by SethJohnson · · Score: 2, Informative


    The other button you are looking for is just up and to the left of the trackpad. It is labelled ' ctrl' and is used in conjunction with the main button associated with the trackpad.

    1. Re:simple explanation by tempest303 · · Score: 1


      I'm sorry, but that solution sucks. I want it RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTHER BUTTON like on *any other* laptop. And here I thought Macs were about "usability"...
      </flame mode>

    2. Re:simple explanation by Surlyboi · · Score: 1


      What are you doing with the other hand?

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    3. Re:simple explanation by Datafage · · Score: 1

      So you answer a user's request by saying he really wants something else? No, you need more REAL mouse buttons.

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    4. Re:simple explanation by kwerle · · Score: 1

      None of your damn business.

    5. Re:simple explanation by tempest303 · · Score: 1

      *laugh*

      Perhaps that was my point? ;)

    6. Re:simple explanation by reed007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure you've heard it before, but I'll say it again:

      Try dealing with professors, other older folk, with a two-button mouse. Every single time you tell them to click they ask "left button or right button"! Sometimes you just want to scream "LEFT BUTTON!! ALWAYS THE STUPID LEFT BUTTON!! FORGET THE RIGHT ONE IS EVEN THERE!!!" and then 5 minutes later, just when you think they understand, they ask the same question...

      So thank goodness Apple ships with default one button mice. And having a special BTO option for a two-button trackpad would be difficult for Apple to pull off...

      MY SUGGESTION: A seemingly one-button trackpad, appears to have 1 button and by default functions like one button. But, for the "advanced users", you can turn it into a two-button mouse through a software config. ie, clicking on the left side left clicks, on the right side right clicks. Try it on your trackpad today -- it's not hard, especially if Apple weighted where the "presses" are so it tended to do left clicks unless you absolutely were on the right side. If pulled off correctly, it could be a very nice solution...

    7. Re:simple explanation by tempest303 · · Score: 1

      I do some tech support at my job, so I know where you're coming from. That aside, I refuse to dumb down MY computing experience because some people are Fucking Retarded(TM) when they sit in front of a computer. I'm personally scared shitless that these very people who can't seem to handle a whole *second* mouse button can probably get drivers licenses. "What do you mean? I have to steer AND work **2** pedals AT THE SAME TIME?? That's outrageous!"

      But back to my point... I can see where a 3rd or even 4th and 5th buttons on a mouse could be very intimidating, but two? How hard can it be? At some point I expect people like this to tie one arm behind their back because "handling *2* arms at once was just too complicated".

      As for the 'weighted' trackpad? I'd love to see them try... honestly, if anyone could to it, it'd be Apple, but I seriously doubt it would ever happen.

    8. Re:simple explanation by AddressException · · Score: 1

      Two pedals? What kind of simple mechanism is that?

      Real men use three!

    9. Re:simple explanation by Sigh+Phi · · Score: 1

      It's really quite logical... the Mac platform has always used the click+modifiers thing... the assumption being that your other hand is probably on the keyboard anyway.

      Not that I don't appreciate mice with scroll wheels and right clicks, but really, it's entirely consistent with the Mac experience to have clicks modified by keys on the keyboard. Shift-click and option-click (among others) have been significant and pervasive since January 24, 1984.

      Come to think of it, I'd prefer a "scroll region" on the trackpad to a second mouse button as, I've been told, implemented on some PC laptops.

  143. Re:Sigh by pelorus · · Score: 1
    "More proprietary software. OS X: lets sell out freedom for eyecandy."

    People go on about proprietary software without realising what the implications of this are. There's nothing wrong with proprietary software and you damn well know it. If you're on x86 you use proprietary software even if you run Linux.


    Who made your BIOS? You?


    And the hardware is neither Free or free on x86 so...give up already. It's not "if" you like Mac OS X but rather "when".

  144. Re:Sigh by Myxorg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    , it lacks the easy-to-install-and-configure aspect that is holding it back from displacing Windows entirely in corporate America


    Just thought I'd preempt a religous war about the ease of installation of modern linux distros. It doesn't matter how easy linux gets to be to install, windows comes pre-installed on most computers. Linux doesn't. Pre-installed beats install it yourself everytime, no matter what.

    that is all
  145. idiots.... by jbloggs · · Score: 0

    there is a bsd.slashdot.org already, so enough of your spouting off. think of this as a different type of bsd. besides, what do you care?

  146. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

    ::checks::

    ::done::

    Rode bike.

    Still think gradiant curved interfaces look like dog shit.

    It is the pseduo transparency that really gets to me though. Can't stand it. Ugh.

  147. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

    Yah but unlike MacOS it is not shipped as part of the system unless I want it to be.

    I also do not plan on BUYING WinXP.

    Hell I refuse to even PIRATE it.

    I am that f*cking opposed to blue curvy shit.

    I actualy don't care WHAT color it is. It is the curvy shit part that gets to me. That and the pseudo-transparency.

    Oh, and by the way. The base color of the fade is color is r21, g105, b103.

    By comparison, slashdot by default uses r0, g102, b102 (which is close, the curvy thing has r8, g102, b103 on its upper left curved boarder).

    r0, g102, b102 is obviously equal parts green and blue though.

    Mabye the blue amplifier[1] in the brains of these AC respondants are outa synch?

    [1] may be bullshit, just found that link a few minutes ago. :)

  148. The Update... by nycdewd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    10.1.3 works flawlessly for my four Macs. All OS X updates have worked quite well for me, since 10.1... You say you used OS X before 10.1? You have my sympathy.

    wanna tip? well, you're gonna get one though you may not particularly like it. come to think, you are NOT gonna like it. here's what i did to insure a glitch-free OS X experience: Reinitialize your HD using the "Zero all Data" option in Drive Setup, yes, Drive Setup... use the latest version of it that you have on a Mac OS installer CD. Now, partition the HD into two partitions. You will have to decide what sizes you want your partitions to be. I'd suggest making the OS X partition the largest of the two. Install OS X on the first (largest) partition, install Mac OS 9.2.2 on the other partition. Boot up to your OS X partition and download SwapCop. Use it to make your swapfile partition reside on the second partition (the partition that has OS 9.2.2 on it).

    Bingo, you're set. Of course, this procedure assumes that 1) your Mac is brand-new, just out of the box it came in, or 2) you have an easy way to backup your existing data and don't mind doing it (but of course you backup your data frequently, right? right!?!?), or 3) you have several HD's in your tower, one of which you just installed for OS X, and 4) you want to do things right.

    I have done this procedure to each and every Mac I provide support for, done it to those Macs first thing RIGHT out of the box. It saves headaches down the road. Been doing it for years. You should too. Stop whining. Thanks.

    btw, see my email addy? don't bother flaming me. use that energy elsewhere. slam M$ or something, there's a good lad.

    1. Re:The Update... by Spencerian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've no problems with any of the updates used since the last Final Candidate to the present, but I have an idea why some users may have problems.

      STOP treating Mac OS X like Mac OS 9.

      In Mac OS 9 you have broad discretion in moving things around--the Applications folder, default locations of items, even renaming the System Folder (Apple doesn't recommend this, and as a tech, I don't either).

      Mac OS X is UNIX. Ask any experienced Linux user here what happens when you start treating your OS like a designers showhouse. The updates expect that the Apple-supplied applications and system files are precisely where the installer expects them. This is particularly hard on old hands of OS 9 who love to change things, but know little of UNIX.

      Unless you really like repairing things that Apple placed somewhere for a reason:

      --DON'T move any Apple-supplied apps from their locations. Your installer updates may balk.
      --DON'T use a lot of hacks, particularly ones that screw with the forbidden System folder of OS X (unlike the OS 9 System Folder, this is Apple's area--unless you really know what you are doing, stay out. The things you usually find in an OS 9 Sys Folder are found in your Home folder, in the Library folder.)
      --DON'T expect super performance on small hard drives with slower systems or low RAM. No matter what G3 or G4 you have, the more drive space and RAM you have, the better. OS X has a swap file, so some users may find much better performance by installing OS X and OS 9 on separate partitions.
      --DON'T give up on OS X. Good lord! It's not even ONE YEAR OLD. Linux had a much rougher childhood, but it has become of formidable OS as it grew up. OS X ia already doing great.

      Think of what this kid will do as a toddler.

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    2. Re:The Update... by sg3000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >DON'T use a lot of hacks, particularly ones that screw
      >with the forbidden System folder of OS X (unlike the OS 9
      >System Folder, this is Apple's area--unless you really
      >know what you are doing, stay out. The things you usually
      >find in an OS 9 Sys Folder are found in your Home folder,
      >in the Library folder.)

      Here, here! I've been hearing a lot of complaints from people (particularly on Macintouch) that say that Mac OS X is giving them problems. After listing all the things that don't work for them, they let loose that they're using Tinkertool, messed around with moving their swap file, they ran the public beta initially and never did a low-level format of their hard drive, or they're running it on a old 9600 with a G4 upgrade and the required kernel hacks to get it working.

      I have had no significant problems with updates on Mac OS X. I ran the Public Beta a while ago, but I took the time to do a low-level format before moving to the final version. You couldn't pay me to go back to Mac OS 9 (in fact, on my new PowerBook, I haven't allowed Classic to start even once).

      In short, if you play with fire, don't be surprised if you get burned.

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  149. Mac Theme (Re:mac ghettos) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And a shiny ugly green theme is still an ugly green theme.

    To further add, it's a pet-peeve of mine to have white font n bright background. I think it would be nicer if the bottom of the title bars were a bit darker so the font would stand out more.

    Just a suggestion.

  150. Re:Not Nice by teamhasnoi · · Score: 0

    Still no localtalk support and none in sight. IYAM, the forced upgrade to usb/network printers will do more to keep power users in 9.2.1 than anything else. I love OSx, but I still can't print. :P Isn't there some BSD geek out there who wants to have a statue erected in his/her honor? Bring localtalk to to OSx!

  151. Rob should be scored Redundant by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anybody else the redundancy in Mac OS X 10.1.3? "Mac OS Ten Ten point one point three."

    It's kinda up there with "ATM Machine"

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    1. Re:Rob should be scored Redundant by pudge · · Score: 1

      Technically it's not redundant. The OS name is "Mac OS X". The version is "10.1.3". It is not "Mac OS 10.1.3" or "Mac OS X.1.3". It's "Mac OS X 10.1.3".

    2. Re:Rob should be scored Redundant by sconest · · Score: 2
      It's kinda up there with "ATM Machine"

      Or with Windows 2000, based on NT technology :)

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  152. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by ChannelX · · Score: 1

    uh...you arent forced to use the Luna interface in XP. Easily set to the win2k look.

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  153. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 1
    I get r34 g128 b125 on Slash/Aquaish and r79 g135 b196 on OS X Aqua at the darkest parts. The slash color looks green to me!

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  154. More than you guess. by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes but how many OSX users are there that actually know that BSD is there and/or take advantage of OSX's *NIX comapatibility?

    The early adopters (those who used the beta or bought Mac OS X right when it came out) all started using it because it had BSD behind it. It certainly wasn't because of the apps. When I first got Mac OS X, IE Explorer was about the only one that was 'carbon-based', and half of the programs I kept started up with OS 9.

    As time goes by, I expect more 'normal people' (ie, those who wouldn't know a daemon from a zombie) to be using OS X.

    Apple was very bright to support both 9 and X this past year. My mother and wife are still using OS 9 and are very happy. By the time they're ready to upgrade, OS X will be at 10.2 or even 10.3 and there will be all sorts of native apps and performance will be good and bugs will be squashed.

    They won't have to use the Terminal app, but they will probably learn how to do a few things. Learning how to use the command line isn't impossible, and open source software is a powerful motivator (for instance, if the choice is waiting for and buying Photoshop or learning how to download/install XDarwin and the Gimp, guess what I'm going to do?)

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  155. groan by kriebz · · Score: 1

    I really don't see MacOS as an OS where I can do /everythig/. Never really tried, but ...

    1. Re:groan by thedbp · · Score: 1

      read up on mac os x ... i think you'll find while it has its shortcomings (and what OS doesn't?) it has a lot of power, extensibilty, and most of all, promise.

      mac os x can really be whatever you want - consumer desktop OS, corporate exchange client and office productivity system, video editing powerhouse, rock solid server, UNIX development station, whatever.

      It answers the question "What do you want to do today?" by saying "How about we do it all?"

  156. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by spectecjr · · Score: 2

    Suffice to say, try printf()ing a few tabs and backslashes in quick succession under 200 or XP ad then tell me it's stable. After you've rebooted and reconnected to the internet that is...

    This is fixed in Windows XP SP1 (according to my friends at the Borg). It basically kills the windows subsystem process; as a result, as there's no running subsystem on top of the kernel, the kernel shuts the machine down (it's useless keeping the machine around if the kernel's running happily, but no processes are running on top of it).

    Si

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  157. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is 2K going to get this fix as well?

    All my borg friends rolled off of Whistler onto other things...

  158. Just another section by doja · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is not a forking of slashdot, it's merely a section just like apache.slashdot.org, ask.slashdot.org, or interviews.slashdot.org. I believe this is a new configuration for URLs of sections. So, all this is is a new section -- which is probably warranted, especially now that such a large segment of the current UNIX users are using OS X.

  159. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Com2Kid · · Score: 2

    ::bangs head on wall::

    I am opposed to its very EXISTENCE at ALL within the OS.

    The fact that there would BLOATED CODE on my HD SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO SUPPORT a pretty boy OS is what I am opposed to.

    The fact that time spent CODING IN SUPPORT FOR 32BIT COLOR ICONS rather then fixing bugs or making additional optimizations to Windows XP, -THAT- is what I am opposed to.

    The lack luser way that the OS is shoved together (does a default install really need to include EXEs to check for things like the Pentium Bug? Seriously now. . . . ), a 2GB default install is overkill, by about, oh, say, 1.5GB.

    (if you do a 2gb install of any decent OS you will get a complete computer SYSTEM, you do a 2GB install of WindowsXP and you get to fork out another few hundred bucks for a Microsoft Approved Compiler, err, I mean development environment, and then have yet ANOTHER few hundred megs of your hard drive given away to it. Then don't forget the _5_ cds that their word processing 'suite' now comes in. Oh wow.)

    It is a principles thing buddy. The interface is just the physical manifestation of that which I am opposed to.

  160. Re:DVD player also works on Pismo Powerbook G3 ! by wampus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let me just tell you, cordless optical mice are the greatest, although it took some time for my ears to stop ringing after I got mine...

    Quoth my wife, "YOU SPENT HOW MUCH ON A MOUSE?"

  161. aqua = lawsuite by !Xabbu · · Score: 2

    I give ya a week before the legal lackies at apple send you a cease & decist on the slashdot aqua theme.. ;)

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  162. Quicktime Player Full-Screen Bug by ferret-slayer · · Score: 1

    Here's a serious QuickTime bug that was introduced by 10.1.3.

    I use QuickTime Player in full-screen mode to view movies. Under 10.1.2 (and before) it did this in whatever resolution my screen was set to.

    With 10.1.3 it tries to reset my screen to some non-standard resolution, which causes my monitor to squeeze the image into the right 2/3rds of the screen.

    Does anyone know how to disable monitor resolution-changing with QuickTime Player full-screen playback?

  163. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by NonSequor · · Score: 2, Troll

    Wow! You are completely, overwhelmingly, thoroughly fucked up.

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  164. Slashdot, news for Apple lovers by JewFish · · Score: 1

    Did /. get a new corporate sponser? Why do I see 11 different topics dealing with Apple? Why only 5 with Linux in them? oh

  165. If the hardware wasn't so expensive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the hardware wasn't so expensive I'd be running OSX right now. As it is, it's just something I will admire from afar. They need to port it to Intel, so it will run faster and offer lower TCO than Apple's proprietary hardware.

  166. monopoly by callmegracie · · Score: 1

    isn't slashdot taking things a little too far? let the apple people do their own thing and run their own sites like they always have. you guys don't really need the ad revenue, do you?

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  167. any fix for dial-up internet connection ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is there any fix for a bug in the dial-up internet connection? I travel a lot with my iBook,and in some countries have up to ten different ISPs to dial-up. I've got tired with half-ass fixes to these issues in OSX and switched back to OS9. Have anybody checked 10.1.3 for this?
    tnx

  168. Re:Ooohhh... Aqua by spectecjr · · Score: 1

    Is 2K going to get this fix as well?

    All my borg friends rolled off of Whistler onto other things...


    Not a clue. I'd hope so. But hopes have a habit of being dashed.

    Si

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  169. Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we get timothy.slashdot.org and michael.slashdot.org too, so we can avoid these village idoits?

    ;-)

  170. 1-button pointers by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

    Using CTRL in place of button 2 and ALT in place of button 3 doesn't work. Try running GIMP where you need CTRL-ALT-BUTTON2 and worse. X based apps assume at least three buttons on the pointer.

    Know two people who bought TiBooks around when I was looking to buy a new notebook and seriously considered being the the 3rd TiBook on the block. The pointer issue decided it in favor of a Thinkpad with a three button trackpoint. One button and a glidepoint (even though the TiBook has the best glidepoint I have played with, I still don't really like them) was just too many negatives to bear when paying 50-100% more for a Mac in the first place.

    The TiBook is a beautiful machine, superior in many ways over my Thinkpad. It gets more runtime out of less expensive batteries. The screen is stunning. A pretty good X/UNIX/GNU environment will run alongside OS X apps and Yellowdog/etc are available for the full Linux experience. But Apple laptops are crippled with an unusable pointer. And apple desktop hardware, where replacing the bundled mouse is trivial just don't have a good price/performance ratio vs. cheap Athlons.

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  171. VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10.1.3 is nice, but when will universal VPN be supported through airport? Surfing the web in class would be so nice with IU's wireless network.

  172. Re:Unix Users Cannot Use Apple's ADB Keyboards by benogod · · Score: 1

    I have no idea when that last time you looked into buying an Apple was, but ADB was dicontinued in '98. The hockey puck was a bad design, true, but the newer mice are awsome. I am currenlty writing this on an apple laptop and i couldn't be happier and i have six ADB keyboards hooked through a Cybex switch that have no problem "talking" with the Unix boxes they command.

  173. Menu clock oddity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just updated my iMac DV SE, and things went very smoothly. Oddly enough, I noticed after I logged back in that the menu clock was set to 24-hour time, with no option to change it back in the Date & Time control panel.

    I went to International->Time, and saw that I did still have 12-hour time set...and as I watched, the clock changed back spontaneously. Looks like there may be a preference value that's not being set correctly....

  174. y'know, karma is a real small circle with me by thedbp · · Score: 2, Funny

    every time i get my mod points up i have to go and say something that gets modded down like a red-headed stepchild.

    like, today, i got a 4 for a post i made on this very thread and felt the warm satisfaction inside that comes from being a productive contributor to the Chronicle of our Times, Slashdot.

    And later on, I'll make a post that will get me modded down, something like:

    biZoTchEZ b up in MaH SHEEE-it 'bOuT sUm LiNuX juNK, man DeM fOOlZ dOnT kNoW Shiz-NiT n MaX bEEt yo' WinDoZe bOx FooLz!

    ... damn, i did it again, didn't I?

  175. Detect Displays for old technology by thedbp · · Score: 1

    Man, this is cool stuff -I always hated having to reboot my 8600 to get it to recognize the TV plugged into the A/V ports on back.

    I wonder if Apple will ever implement support for those lovely A/V ports in OS X ... I mean, the beige G3 has 'em too, it would be REAL nice if they could enable those ... can't imagine it would be TOO hard ... and now that OS X is open source, i really should just start doing it myself i guess ;)

  176. Re:Unix Users Cannot Use Apple's ADB Keyboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Yes, ADB keyboards can "talk" to unix.

    They cannot have the CapsLock key reprogrammed to be a Ctrl key, and as a long-time Unix user, that is what I need.

    Also, all Apple laptops still have built-in ADB keyboards ... not USB keyboards.

    Because of the non-programmability of the CapsLock key on ADB keyboards, and because as a Unix user I need to reprogram the CapsLock key to be a Ctrl key, I cannot use ADB keyboards, and will not be buying the Apple hardware (laptops) that I am interested in. Apple is losing sales to me, because of their horrible keyboard design.

  177. Re:Oh God NOOO!!! The /. interface for this sectio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    isn't it past your bedtime, 12 year old?

  178. Re: Not Nice by Alibi · · Score: 1

    Do you mean serial printers? LocalTalk is Apple's name for old-style networking through serial ports.

  179. iTunes update by PhReaKyDMoNKeY · · Score: 1

    They made the fullscreen mode for the visualizer in iTunes way smarter. It used to cause the music to skip when it came on, but now it comes on a bit more slowly and the music plays on, uninterrupted. This was one of my only gripes with iTunes, and I'm quite pleased to find that they fixed this relatively minor thing-especially since they could very easily have gotten away with leaving it as it was.

    My 2.

  180. Re:Unix Users Cannot Use Apple's ADB Keyboards by anarkhos · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think you mean X11 users |-p

    There is obviously a work-around or A/UX would have never worked.

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  181. Where are the rest of the printers? by mrFur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's nice to see things being cleaned up but...

    I manage a number of servers with various flavours of Ultrix to Compaq Tru64Unix (ehhh I miss DEC). Every one of them can print to just about anything. How about some 'generic' printers?

    Yes, I'm bitter and cheap. My Epson 600 works perfectly, why fork out for a new printer!

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  182. Mail Supports SSL! by gqgreg · · Score: 1

    Hoorah! Now I can use it!

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  183. I'm just waiting for...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amiga.sourceforge.net

    come on, you KNOW its gotta happen :-)

  184. The One Slashdot of Power by ebooher · · Score: 1

    Oh Lord,

    Does this mean we're now going to have the saying "One /. to rule them all, One /. to find them. One /. to bring them all and on the internet bind them." etched into all of our monitors?

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