As for Affirmative Action, the sooner they scrap that racist trash (anybody care to claim that it isn't discrimination based purely on race?)
the better.
Why is it that people keep saying that racism is the fault of the minorities? That we are separating ourselves from the majority? Can you even conceive of Whites discriminating racially?
Look at it this way: affirmative action is a way to ensure the equal protection that the 5th amendment guarantees. Affirmative action is not about bringing in any random minority off the street, but preventing the majority (Whites in this case) from keeping out QUALIFIED minorities.
Texas will be majority Chicano in the next 40-50 years or so, Houston in the next 20-25. What is going to prevent us from discriminating against the Whites who find themselves in the minority then? Affirmative action!
I think it is funny that White conservatives keep attacking affirmative action as a quota system. Why don't the attack the informal "good ol' boy" network that works against minorities? Because they are benefiting from it, that's why.
Either you share power with us now gracefully, or suffer the wrath of the Chicanos once we find ourselves in power. Keep affirmative action and your kids will have a chance at a decent job, otherwise the only type of job they will be able to find will be that of housekeeper or "yard maintenance engineer"!
Perhaps people will gain some respect once that happens as well.
We Chicanos have plenty of self-respect for our Mexican/American heritage, yet Whites tend to discount the Mexican part and emphasize the up the American part. Respect is a two-way street... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Yeah, why would anyone expect you to read other points of view. That's preposterous! God forbid you be open minded! Have you ever actually read the National Review, or are you just not reading it because liberalism tells you that it's bad? I found the article rather informative and much less biased than what one would find in the mainstream liberal media.
Yep. That's mighty open-minded of you...
Now do you honestly think that Salon.com is
unbiased? You just never noticed that obnoxious left wing spin in those articles?
Hmmm... another example of your open-mindedness?
I encourage you to read the National Review, even if you
don't agree with it.
I've read toilet paper with better content than the National Review...
Other points of view will not hurt you.
Unless they are (in your words) the mainstream liberal media or it has an (your words again) obnoxious left wing spin?
And you won't be sending ad revenue to so-called "fascists" (and I challenge you
to prove any fascist relation to the site) unless you click on the ads.
I'll agree that the original poster went a bit overboard with the word "Fascist". How about "White Power"? The NR opposes everything that I stand for as a Chicano (especially affirmative action) because it goes against the interests of the Whites in power. Thus it is for "White Power", albeit the non-skinhead variety...
Having an open mind is a good thing.
That's might White of you, Mastah!
Now how about following your own advice and reading a little of the liberal media for a glimpse of how we non-White Americans think?
[Here is where the obligatory insult "Idiot" goes, but I think this is more relevant:] Hypocrite -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
It may be appropriate to differentiate between those who are a little pudgy and those who are unhealthily overweight.
Pudgy. Now there is a word I haven't heard since I was a kid.:->
I always used to say what is now Eric Cartman's signature line: "I'm not fat, I'm big boned!" -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
It's not "unhealthy". It's traditional Mexican food. Fried in manteca (fat), heavily salted, and the yummy treats heavily sugared.
That kind of diet works well for people in less developed countries, whose diet is mainly rice and beans with a little meat on the side on rare occasions. It is different for Chicanos in the U.S.; we have a higher risk of suffering from heart attacks, strokes and diabetes. The American Heart Association has recommended that Chicanos should cut lard from their diet to lessen these risks.
I don't know if you have tried tamales or flour tortillas cooked with vegatable shortening, but they come out dry and flavorless. I personally think giving up a couple years of old age in exchange for real deal is a no-brainer! -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
the ones that voted for Gore are the ones without guns to do anything about it.
That's what we liberals want you to think. Did you know that lots of minorities serve in the armed forces? That's right, the very same minorities who vote Democratic. I can show you how to field strip an M-16 in under 10 seconds... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Way back in the early 19th century, we decided to
go to an electoral system to make it easier to count votes and give more voting power (not less as claimed by the ignorant) to the individual
citizen.
Bzzzt... wrong answer!
Electors are apportioned on a winner take all basis, so it reduces the power of the individual (and large states that consist of large amounts of individuals). For instance, here in Texas the sheeple voted for Bush, who as everyone with half a brain knows is the idiot son of one of the worst presidents we have ever had. Bush won Texas so he got all the electoral votes.
Had the electoral votes been apportioned on a proportional basis, then Al Gore would have gotten 40% of the electors from Texas. As it stood, my vote for Gore would have been wasted (except for the "meaningless" popular vote) so I went ahead and voted for Nader.
If the electoral college enhanced the power of the individual, then it would always go hand and hand with the popular vote and there would never be any controversy. If the electoral college did not take power away from me (I'm a yellow dog Democrat) I could have voted for the candidate of my choice rather than vote for another candidate, albeit one with no chance of winning...
Besides, the article you linked to contains a speculative hypothesis not a provable fact. People are not atoms, and political science is not physics!
People don't always act logically, and they often act emotionally.
How else can you explain racism and sexism? On that note, I keep finding it hard to believe that the two BEST candidates for the nation's highest office are both WHITE MALES!!! -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Well, what are the
choices for free nations outside the us?
If you mean free as in "democratic republic": Canada. Mexico. England. France. Switzerland. Germany. Costa Rica. Japan. The list goes on...
Besides, US citizens are not really "FREE". You can't use drugs. You can't marry more than one person. If you are gay you can't have sex. The list goes on... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
If I'm installing in a business where all I want is Office and "IT Approved" software, I'll take a stripped down MS/Linux w/Office and maybe a couple choice applications (probably written by MS). Business wants conformity, easy of administration, etc.
Excellent point. In addition, MS would have to provide development tools (programming languages, visual IDEs, etc.) -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Joe's Apartment? That was the best feature film to come out of MTV, IMHO.
I liked "Joe's Apartment", but let's not forget "Beavis and Butt-Head Do America". The scene with the 'shroom trip in the desert was to cool!!! -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Your opinion that drug dealers do not harm anyone is incorrect- people who could have been productive are ruined through exploitation of their weakness. They provide a temporary illusary benefit to the user, while destroying the users potential. If you create an addict and do not believe you are evil, you are a fool or a liar.
or (come on, you know you want to say it) a LIBERAL!
Anyway, not all drug use is abuse and not all drugs are addictive...
True, a person who uses nicotene or other drugs is aware of the health risk, but the nature of the substance prevents them from attempting to quit.
Sounds like nicotine is addictive...
Using a persons desire for your own benefit, with no regard for their life, is evil and produces more evil. This is what a drug dealer does.
And that is what Madison Avenue does. That is what Hollywood does.
Drugs create an
illusion of a perfect life
So does television. So do movies
Reign in Hell.. Serve in heaven...
Repeat after me: There is no God. There is no Heaven. There is no Hell.
Apparently you are too stupid to realize that religion is a drug -- "the opiate of the masses" as Karl Marx put it.
Just think before you write or speak, because thought is either a cure or a disease, and is spread by every single word you write or speak.
You obviously didn't take your own advice. After spewing your ignorant drivel that much is evident.
Can you prove your assertion that drug dealers are the root of all evil? Do you have facts? Statistics? Something? Anything?
You are a white guy, right? This is a dead giveaway:
I recently talked to a friend of mine who grew up in north Philly. When he was a kid in the ghetto, the people he looked up to were the dealer's.
I am Chicano. I live in a barrio. I have personal experience of which you speak and all I can say is that you are so full of shit it is leaking out your ears!
The biggest problem is not drugs, it is poverty. Lack of jobs. Lack of educational opportunities. That is what is hurting minorities, not drugs.
The overzealous enforcement of drug laws hurts minorities more than the drugs themselves. I used to live in a hotel next to the University of Houston that had lots of criminal activity. I actually got hassled less by the whores and crack dealers than by the fricking cops. I'd get stopped and they'd want to search me but I'd refuse because I know about abstract legal concepts like "articulable suspicion" and "curtilage". Needless to say the cops NEVER looked in my bag, no matter how badly they wanted to. I actually dared them to look, and told them that I'd go to Internal Affairs and drop a dime on them. Can you say "pissed-off pigs"?
Minorities are not taught about probable cause and that you can say no to a police officer when they ask to search you, your home or your car.The problem is that when minorities assert their constitutional rights, they will get beat down or even killed by "the man" unless they are lucky enough to have light-colored skin.
Sometimes you don't even have to do anything to get killed by the cops. Witness Pedro Oregon, a Mexican
laborer who lived in Houston, who was shot 12 times, 9 times in the back by HPD after busting down the door in a botched drug raid on the word of a sleazy
confidential informant, who pointed the finger at Pedro's brother in an attempt to get out of his own drug charges. No drugs were found and
the only punishment the cops got was getting fired from HPD. (Interestingly, the right-wing Cato Institute thought it was an abuse of police power too.)
The "War on Some Drugs" was created by White people as a way to control minorities. How else can you explain the fact that most people in jail for drug offenses are minorities? How else can you explain the disparity in sentencing between crack and powder cocaine? Crack is mainly used by minorities, so what other reason does it has a harsher penalty than the equivalent weight of powder cocaine used by Whites than racism?
Everyone has the right to an opinion, even you. When you pontificate, state that it is an opinion based on your limited understanding of things and we will let you slide. However, if you try to state unsubstantiated opinion as fact, you will get slapped down by those of us who know what we are talking about and are willing to provide supporting information...
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The limitation of this analogy is that OS/2 in many cases ran Windows applications better in emulation than Win 3.x did natively.
OS/2 did not emulate Windows 3.1, it actually ran a copy of it in full-screen mode or as a seamless window on your OS/2 desktop. The red box Warp required the user to have a copy of Windows 3.1, while the blue box version contained a copy of the Windows code.
Man I really miss OS/2 and the WPS... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
These internal chararistics, together with the frequent code-switching between Spanish and English common to all Hispanic variants in the USA, can render chicano totally impenetrable to monolingual Spanish speakers.
It's certainly true in the Southwest, where you routinely hear this "code-switching" en las calles and with the ubquitous cucina-help chavalines washing sus dishes sucios, if tu takes my meaning aquí.:-) There is a fascinating beauty that comes from being able to freely intermix two languages in one conversation and even in one sentence, where words and syntax skip back and forth.
Simply put, Chicano Spanish is a different animal altogether, yet you keep trying to force it into the mold of Spanish as taught in Spain by Spaniards! Can you say "coginitive dissonance"?
Also, you do know it is COCINA (cucina is Italian, I believe), don't you? And if you call any of the dishwashers CHAVALO (young punk) you are asking for a serious ass kicking, especially if you use the Spanish pronounciation!:->
You can hardly fault tejanos for their curious code-switching or their rampant Spanglishization. You may flinch at hearing how in Texas then
rentan something instead of alquilándolo, or talk about driving their troques instead of their camiones. (The former is especially annoying,
because la renta is one of those faux amis that already has a meaning quite different in Spanish than the English cognate would suggest!) Then
again, when you listen to Texans speak English, you might be a bit unnerved there, too.:-)
There is the purist in you speaking -- getting annoyed when someone else breaks the rules you think should govern Spanish. Think of it as Spanglish, or Tex-Mex, or Tejano if you must, then you won't get in a snit about it!
And Babelfish must speak Chicano: translate rentar Spanish to English and you get "to rent"...
Agonizing purists tell you that you simply
cannot salvar dinero--that you can only ahorrarlo, of course, and that buffers must be guardados, as their souls are not in peril.:-)
Again with the language purity! Seeing as how Spanish is much more contextual than English (cielo means sky, heaven, ceiling) and that part of decoding the language is looking at the context, why can't one look at "salvar" when used in context of money and realize that it means "save without salvation" in this particular case?
If you want people to know a language, a literature, a history, and a culture, then you have to teach that to them!
Point granted, but if you really want to teach about the entirety of Hispanidad you need to go beyond Spain, which the schools here in the US stress entirely too much. In addition to Spanish history and literature, you need to teach them 500 years of history and literature of the New World too.
You are also spot on when you say that Spanish is not a "prestige language" in the US. My beef is that it is bad enough that I have to hear it from English speakers, but what truly sucks is when a fellow Spanish speaker looks down on me because I speak "Mexican Spanish" or "Chicano Spanish" or "Spanglish"...
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I agree, my grandparent immigrated to the U.S. from Norway and they didn't whine about everyone not speaking Norwegian... they fucking well learned
English.
It just makes the Mexicans look lazy and stupid to insist that we cater to their language.
It seems to me that it takes more work to ACTIVELY RESIST enforced enculturation than to just ROLL OVER and let it happen...
Anyway, your ancestors could speak pig-latin and still get a job. I'm pretty sure that their having white skin and blue eyes sure didn't hurt... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
As are all Chicanos: a mix of European, Indigenous, Asian and African blood.
You can go hang out with your racial peers, I'll avoid you just like I avoid any other racist.
Be honest: what percentage of your friends are White? I am light skinned (güero) and my roommate is dark skinned (moreno). I have cousins that are both lighter and darker than me. Yet we are all Chicano. I fail to see how that makes me a "racist" when I am multi-racial myself.
Maybe I am a "culturalist", preferring to hang with my fellow Chicanos because we have a common language, history and interests, but that does not mean I don't have White, Black and Asian friends. Like I keep saying (and people keep mis-hearing) Chicanismo is an INCLUSIVE philosophy.
We accept almost everybody, however we are wary of White Americans who prefer one language and one culture and therefore constantly try to marginalize us due to the fact that we don't swallow their ONE language and culture lock, stock and barrel.
I think having TWO languages and TWO cultures rules; I just wish it was easier to learn more languages. I'd probably speak ten of them! -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Take a Nu Yawkah, put in someone
from Lang EyeLand, get a Chowdahhead from Bahstan, get a Texan, a Canadian, an Australian, a Brit and someone from Nowrth Carolahnah all
together in a room, and while there will be a bunch of "huh"'s here and there, they'd all be able to understand much of what's being said. And
CERTAINLY they would understand what was WRITTEN in english.
Not if that Texan was George W. Bush!:-> -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
The reference to "ghetto" English in the article also seems off-base to me. The 3rd-generation immigrants who are having a hard time with Spanish usually can't even read or write the language. They go to school and do all their school work in English.
That may be a reference to English as spoken by African Americans. Here in Houston many of the Black ghettos are next to barrios, and many of the young Latinos speak English with a Black English Vernacular (aka Ebonics) accent. Clueless Whites sometimes accuse Blacks of playing fast and loose with the King's English, and he probably thinks Latinos are doing the same thing to Spanish... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
This, sir, is pure bunk. It is wrong in so many ways, it's hard to know begin. First of all, it's not a lisp--it's not a speech defect or impediment. It's not related to education level. And it's not global to all of Spain. And it's certainly not something that's done to enforce some sort of cultural separation.
While IANA linguist, I had the privilege of growing up in a Chicano household. Before I entered school, I spoke nothing but Spanish (Spanglish? Tex-Mex?) and thanks to a Filipino nun in kindergarten, I was reading English at the 3rd grade level in 1st grade (bilingual education works, or did at least in my case). In my early years, the only ones who spoke like that were the Roman Catholic priests from Spain.
You are correct in your assessement of the technical side of the pronuniciation differences, I an speaking solely of the social, political and historical factors affecting the use of Spanish. Since I am of Mexican descent, I see it from their eyes...
If you have studied any Mexican history at all, you will see how the elites separated themselves from the hoi polloi, and how a favorite pastime of those elites was affectation of Spanish (from Spain) cultural patterns. The mestizo arose from intermarriage between the lower classes (the soldiers that helped the elites gain/solidify/keep control) and the indigenous people.
You see it everywhere: the educated elites speak differently, preferring not to use the common vernacular used by the lower classes (lowest common denominator lowers it further, so where the elites would call it vulgar).
A similar thing happens in the United States. People from the southern US speak differently than those from the northern US. The perception is that someone one with a southern accent is less educated than someone from the north (i.e., Southerners are country hicks and Northerners are smooth city slickers). In reality, we all know this is a stereotype, but until Madison Avenue and Hollywood tell us otherwise, that meme is alive and doing well...
It is not officially "wrong" to sesear. But people who do not do so are not "more educated" than those who do.
But that is the perception among Chicanos. We don't speak that way, and the only ones who used to speak that way were those who wanted something from us: the bankers (our money), politicans (our vote) and priests (our soul). Most of these people went off to college, where they learned the speech patterns of the elites from their teachers.
So please knock that chip off your shoulder. They are not doing it to spite you. It's just the way they've talk, and have done so for many centuries.
O.K., maybe I'm pissed off a little. My people lost their land and were left with nothing but their language and culture. If anybody has the right to be pissed off it is the Chicanos. But from my perspective after years of exposure to Spanish media here in the States, I can say that those who speak Spanish style are in the distinct minority. But of course I probably speak to more lower class Latinos (Mexican and Central American) and less university professors of Spanish than you do...
Cope. And while you're at it, you might actually bother to learn some fonética y fonología españolas so you can stop furthering these bigotries and myths.
I am just stating my opinion. I made a parallel to the way US Southerners are stereotyped. I agreed that it is not fair to stereotype, but argued that that idea still lives because it is perpetuated by the media elites. The meme is "out there"...
I am hurt at being accused of being bigoted. All is fair in love and war and debating, huh? I did not think that someone with your gravitas would stoop so low to as to resort to personal attacks. (I can never spell ad hominem right, dammit!:-).
I noticed you said fonética y fonología españolas. I would love to spend a few years in Spain learning the language better and delving into its rich literary history. But I don't have the time or the money to do so:-<
Anyway, why española? Why not mexicana? or puertorriqueña? Or cubana? Or chicana? Why must everything having to do with the Spanish language revolve around Spain? If I was a little less charitable I might accuse you of being bigoted against us New World Hispanos!
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Take the difference between American-English and England-English, somewhat quite similar. I believe that Spanish
rooted in Spain sounds much more intelligent, smooth, and educated
And we Chicanos say the Spanish Castilian accent sounds to our ear like the British-English does, unnatural.
When it comes to affectations, I guess the operative rule is "to each his/her own"... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
I'm not going to go in and refute your points, but you are a paranoid racist and don't realize it.
Gee, that is the first time someone called me a "paranoid racist", they usually call me a "deranged loner":->
The majority of the points you mentioned are the same as what the KKK uses to justify their racism.
And what the White people use to maintain their grip on power. Quick, name me a non-White President. There are none!
Of course it is ME that is trying to separate myself, it isn't the White people that are trying to keep me out. Nope, not White racism, that doesn't exist anymore...
Now, as someone that comes from a mixed background I do see both sodes well enough to know that the battle is between the insane.
What is up with the personal attacks?
White racists, black racists, latin racists, you all use the same things to justify your hatred rather than
learn to get along with each other.
Notice how I never said I HATE anyone. Notice how I said Chicanos accept both American and Mexican culture. Notice how I am not calling for a revolution here, only evolution?
Before you tell me I am a crazy gabacho, you are only partially correct. However, when I see a person, I see them for who the individual is, not the color of their skin or where their ancestors are from.
It is impossible to "know thyself" if you don't know your family history. Boy you must be one lost puppy...
Learn to care, not hate.
Learn to read without putting words into other people's mouths! I am perfectly able to communicate my ideas, it is you that seems to have comprehension problems.
Besides, HATE isn't all that bad! If we didn't HATE disease and dying, medicine would have never advanced. If we didn't HATE heat, humidity and mosquitos, air conditioners would have never been invented. If we didn't HATE poverty so much, we would not have gotten rid of capitalism... errr, my bad!:-> -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
however, if Chinese immigrants were to demand that Americans start using Chinese words for the sake of convenience or ease of assimilation, I would have to denounce their intellectual laxitude
Excuse me? The Chinese are learning English and the Americans don't bother to learn Chinese and it is the Chinese who are intellectually lax???
Similarly, it is sad but admissible that Iberoamerican
immigrants choose to pollute their native language with English words, but it would be inadmissible that they should demand that US citizens use
Spanish words when speaking English.
How about if they live in Texas or California, where Spanish is the de facto second language? I noticed that when I order in Spanish at a resturant where the workers are Latino I get better service and bigger portions. I don't want that to go away!:->
What is at stake is not the legacy cultural assets of immigrants, most of whom probably chose to leave their country, but the integrity of an
important cultural asset of billions of people - be they Chinese, Indian, Mexican, or Basque - who wish to spend their lives in their native cultural
medium and who value their cultural heritage.
That ignores the fact that new cultures can arise. Take the Chicano people. Not quite Mexican, and not quite American, but a whole new people taking the best from two cultures and forming a whole new worldview.
As for your word list, sure the words exist but why go to the trouble of making up good words when the English ones will do? Anyway, what about the regional effects of slang? (i.e., folder is carpeta, which is also tablecloth. In Spanglish carpeta is carpet or rug [alfombra]. Sure the use is incorrect but if everyone uses it incorrectly it must be right, n'est pas?).
And Spain is not the only country where people value their cultural identity and resent the use of random foreign words; surely, even you can supply substantiating evidence for this claim.
The French are big on this and they look foolish when they try to dicatate what a hamburger is when most people ask for "Le Big Mac"
Cultural identity, of which language is an important part, may not be a big deal to you or to me -- but, for most people, it is a big deal.
Point granted, but you forget that many of those who create the new words are Latinos who live in the US and are not taught much proper Spanish. We create words that sound fine to us and work in the context of communicating ideas. If you don't like the new words we create, then have the "official Spanish" academy disapprove of them, we commoners will still continue to use them how we choose. (And we sure as hell will continue to pronounce words without the "lisp" that Spaniards use to separate themselves from us "uneducated" Chicanos and Central and South Americans...) -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
This point is kind of a sore topic with me. I am in favor of having one national language in the US: English...
I understand Canada's stance with English and French, but there is a wider distribution of cultures in the US. What would we have? English, Spanish, Native American languages, Japanese, German, French, etc? That is going to be one huge street sign, printed (correctly) in all official languages.
Well, a few problems come to mind. My mom, due to economics and discrimination, did not go to school beyond the second grade. She does not read English, but she reads Spanish. Should she be denied the right to vote just because she cannot read the ballot that is printed in English? Or would you mind if a few of MY tax dollars were spent to print bilingual ballots to let my mom vote?
I agree with your point about the giant signs that would be needed in a multilingual country, but an official language should take into account regionalism. My grandmother used to live in Laredo, on the Mexican border, where more people speak Spanish than English. Should Laredo have only ONE official language? Should it be Spanish, spoken by the majority, or should be English to placate those unwilling to learn Spanish? Or should there be TWO official languages, English and Spanish?
I would be willing to have a reasonable discussion about having an official language, but if you look at the various demagogues that espouse "English Only" or "English First" you will see that they are just barely to the left of neo-Nazi skinheads, albeit with better clothes and haircuts... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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Look at it this way: affirmative action is a way to ensure the equal protection that the 5th amendment guarantees. Affirmative action is not about bringing in any random minority off the street, but preventing the majority (Whites in this case) from keeping out QUALIFIED minorities.
Texas will be majority Chicano in the next 40-50 years or so, Houston in the next 20-25. What is going to prevent us from discriminating against the Whites who find themselves in the minority then? Affirmative action!
I think it is funny that White conservatives keep attacking affirmative action as a quota system. Why don't the attack the informal "good ol' boy" network that works against minorities? Because they are benefiting from it, that's why.
Either you share power with us now gracefully, or suffer the wrath of the Chicanos once we find ourselves in power. Keep affirmative action and your kids will have a chance at a decent job, otherwise the only type of job they will be able to find will be that of housekeeper or "yard maintenance engineer"!We Chicanos have plenty of self-respect for our Mexican/American heritage, yet Whites tend to discount the Mexican part and emphasize the up the American part. Respect is a two-way street...
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Now how about following your own advice and reading a little of the liberal media for a glimpse of how we non-White Americans think?
[Here is where the obligatory insult "Idiot" goes, but I think this is more relevant:] Hypocrite
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I always used to say what is now Eric Cartman's signature line: "I'm not fat, I'm big boned!"
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I don't know if you have tried tamales or flour tortillas cooked with vegatable shortening, but they come out dry and flavorless. I personally think giving up a couple years of old age in exchange for real deal is a no-brainer!
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I won't be shedding any tears for your neo-Nazi ass...
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Electors are apportioned on a winner take all basis, so it reduces the power of the individual (and large states that consist of large amounts of individuals). For instance, here in Texas the sheeple voted for Bush, who as everyone with half a brain knows is the idiot son of one of the worst presidents we have ever had. Bush won Texas so he got all the electoral votes.
Had the electoral votes been apportioned on a proportional basis, then Al Gore would have gotten 40% of the electors from Texas. As it stood, my vote for Gore would have been wasted (except for the "meaningless" popular vote) so I went ahead and voted for Nader.
If the electoral college enhanced the power of the individual, then it would always go hand and hand with the popular vote and there would never be any controversy. If the electoral college did not take power away from me (I'm a yellow dog Democrat) I could have voted for the candidate of my choice rather than vote for another candidate, albeit one with no chance of winning...
Besides, the article you linked to contains a speculative hypothesis not a provable fact. People are not atoms, and political science is not physics! People don't always act logically, and they often act emotionally.
How else can you explain racism and sexism? On that note, I keep finding it hard to believe that the two BEST candidates for the nation's highest office are both WHITE MALES!!!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Besides, US citizens are not really "FREE". You can't use drugs. You can't marry more than one person. If you are gay you can't have sex. The list goes on...
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Anyway, not all drug use is abuse and not all drugs are addictive...Sounds like nicotine is addictive...And that is what Madison Avenue does. That is what Hollywood does.So does television. So do movies Repeat after me: There is no God. There is no Heaven. There is no Hell.
Apparently you are too stupid to realize that religion is a drug -- "the opiate of the masses" as Karl Marx put it.You obviously didn't take your own advice. After spewing your ignorant drivel that much is evident.
Can you prove your assertion that drug dealers are the root of all evil? Do you have facts? Statistics? Something? Anything?
You are a white guy, right? This is a dead giveaway:I am Chicano. I live in a barrio. I have personal experience of which you speak and all I can say is that you are so full of shit it is leaking out your ears!
The biggest problem is not drugs, it is poverty. Lack of jobs. Lack of educational opportunities. That is what is hurting minorities, not drugs.
Also, racial profiling by the cops:
The overzealous enforcement of drug laws hurts minorities more than the drugs themselves. I used to live in a hotel next to the University of Houston that had lots of criminal activity. I actually got hassled less by the whores and crack dealers than by the fricking cops. I'd get stopped and they'd want to search me but I'd refuse because I know about abstract legal concepts like "articulable suspicion" and "curtilage". Needless to say the cops NEVER looked in my bag, no matter how badly they wanted to. I actually dared them to look, and told them that I'd go to Internal Affairs and drop a dime on them. Can you say "pissed-off pigs"?
Minorities are not taught about probable cause and that you can say no to a police officer when they ask to search you, your home or your car.The problem is that when minorities assert their constitutional rights, they will get beat down or even killed by "the man" unless they are lucky enough to have light-colored skin.
Sometimes you don't even have to do anything to get killed by the cops. Witness Pedro Oregon, a Mexican laborer who lived in Houston, who was shot 12 times, 9 times in the back by HPD after busting down the door in a botched drug raid on the word of a sleazy confidential informant, who pointed the finger at Pedro's brother in an attempt to get out of his own drug charges. No drugs were found and the only punishment the cops got was getting fired from HPD. (Interestingly, the right-wing Cato Institute thought it was an abuse of police power too.)
The "War on Some Drugs" was created by White people as a way to control minorities. How else can you explain the fact that most people in jail for drug offenses are minorities? How else can you explain the disparity in sentencing between crack and powder cocaine? Crack is mainly used by minorities, so what other reason does it has a harsher penalty than the equivalent weight of powder cocaine used by Whites than racism?
Everyone has the right to an opinion, even you. When you pontificate, state that it is an opinion based on your limited understanding of things and we will let you slide. However, if you try to state unsubstantiated opinion as fact, you will get slapped down by those of us who know what we are talking about and are willing to provide supporting information...
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Man I really miss OS/2 and the WPS...
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Also, you do know it is COCINA (cucina is Italian, I believe), don't you? And if you call any of the dishwashers CHAVALO (young punk) you are asking for a serious ass kicking, especially if you use the Spanish pronounciation!
And Babelfish must speak Chicano: translate rentar Spanish to English and you get "to rent"...Again with the language purity! Seeing as how Spanish is much more contextual than English (cielo means sky, heaven, ceiling) and that part of decoding the language is looking at the context, why can't one look at "salvar" when used in context of money and realize that it means "save without salvation" in this particular case?Point granted, but if you really want to teach about the entirety of Hispanidad you need to go beyond Spain, which the schools here in the US stress entirely too much. In addition to Spanish history and literature, you need to teach them 500 years of history and literature of the New World too.
You are also spot on when you say that Spanish is not a "prestige language" in the US. My beef is that it is bad enough that I have to hear it from English speakers, but what truly sucks is when a fellow Spanish speaker looks down on me because I speak "Mexican Spanish" or "Chicano Spanish" or "Spanglish"...
P.S. Word of the day is guajolote
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Anyway, your ancestors could speak pig-latin and still get a job. I'm pretty sure that their having white skin and blue eyes sure didn't hurt...
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Maybe I am a "culturalist", preferring to hang with my fellow Chicanos because we have a common language, history and interests, but that does not mean I don't have White, Black and Asian friends. Like I keep saying (and people keep mis-hearing) Chicanismo is an INCLUSIVE philosophy.
We accept almost everybody, however we are wary of White Americans who prefer one language and one culture and therefore constantly try to marginalize us due to the fact that we don't swallow their ONE language and culture lock, stock and barrel.
I think having TWO languages and TWO cultures rules; I just wish it was easier to learn more languages. I'd probably speak ten of them!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
You are correct in your assessement of the technical side of the pronuniciation differences, I an speaking solely of the social, political and historical factors affecting the use of Spanish. Since I am of Mexican descent, I see it from their eyes...
If you have studied any Mexican history at all, you will see how the elites separated themselves from the hoi polloi, and how a favorite pastime of those elites was affectation of Spanish (from Spain) cultural patterns. The mestizo arose from intermarriage between the lower classes (the soldiers that helped the elites gain/solidify/keep control) and the indigenous people.
You see it everywhere: the educated elites speak differently, preferring not to use the common vernacular used by the lower classes (lowest common denominator lowers it further, so where the elites would call it vulgar).
A similar thing happens in the United States. People from the southern US speak differently than those from the northern US. The perception is that someone one with a southern accent is less educated than someone from the north (i.e., Southerners are country hicks and Northerners are smooth city slickers). In reality, we all know this is a stereotype, but until Madison Avenue and Hollywood tell us otherwise, that meme is alive and doing well...But that is the perception among Chicanos. We don't speak that way, and the only ones who used to speak that way were those who wanted something from us: the bankers (our money), politicans (our vote) and priests (our soul). Most of these people went off to college, where they learned the speech patterns of the elites from their teachers. O.K., maybe I'm pissed off a little. My people lost their land and were left with nothing but their language and culture. If anybody has the right to be pissed off it is the Chicanos. But from my perspective after years of exposure to Spanish media here in the States, I can say that those who speak Spanish style are in the distinct minority. But of course I probably speak to more lower class Latinos (Mexican and Central American) and less university professors of Spanish than you do... I am just stating my opinion. I made a parallel to the way US Southerners are stereotyped. I agreed that it is not fair to stereotype, but argued that that idea still lives because it is perpetuated by the media elites. The meme is "out there"...
I am hurt at being accused of being bigoted. All is fair in love and war and debating, huh? I did not think that someone with your gravitas would stoop so low to as to resort to personal attacks. (I can never spell ad hominem right, dammit!
I noticed you said fonética y fonología españolas. I would love to spend a few years in Spain learning the language better and delving into its rich literary history. But I don't have the time or the money to do so
Anyway, why española? Why not mexicana? or puertorriqueña? Or cubana? Or chicana? Why must everything having to do with the Spanish language revolve around Spain? If I was a little less charitable I might accuse you of being bigoted against us New World Hispanos!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
When it comes to affectations, I guess the operative rule is "to each his/her own"...
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Of course it is ME that is trying to separate myself, it isn't the White people that are trying to keep me out. Nope, not White racism, that doesn't exist anymore... What is up with the personal attacks? Notice how I never said I HATE anyone. Notice how I said Chicanos accept both American and Mexican culture. Notice how I am not calling for a revolution here, only evolution? It is impossible to "know thyself" if you don't know your family history. Boy you must be one lost puppy... Learn to read without putting words into other people's mouths! I am perfectly able to communicate my ideas, it is you that seems to have comprehension problems.
Besides, HATE isn't all that bad! If we didn't HATE disease and dying, medicine would have never advanced. If we didn't HATE heat, humidity and mosquitos, air conditioners would have never been invented. If we didn't HATE poverty so much, we would not have gotten rid of capitalism... errr, my bad!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
As for your word list, sure the words exist but why go to the trouble of making up good words when the English ones will do? Anyway, what about the regional effects of slang? (i.e., folder is carpeta, which is also tablecloth. In Spanglish carpeta is carpet or rug [alfombra]. Sure the use is incorrect but if everyone uses it incorrectly it must be right, n'est pas?). The French are big on this and they look foolish when they try to dicatate what a hamburger is when most people ask for "Le Big Mac" Point granted, but you forget that many of those who create the new words are Latinos who live in the US and are not taught much proper Spanish. We create words that sound fine to us and work in the context of communicating ideas. If you don't like the new words we create, then have the "official Spanish" academy disapprove of them, we commoners will still continue to use them how we choose. (And we sure as hell will continue to pronounce words without the "lisp" that Spaniards use to separate themselves from us "uneducated" Chicanos and Central and South Americans...)
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
I agree with your point about the giant signs that would be needed in a multilingual country, but an official language should take into account regionalism. My grandmother used to live in Laredo, on the Mexican border, where more people speak Spanish than English. Should Laredo have only ONE official language? Should it be Spanish, spoken by the majority, or should be English to placate those unwilling to learn Spanish? Or should there be TWO official languages, English and Spanish?
I would be willing to have a reasonable discussion about having an official language, but if you look at the various demagogues that espouse "English Only" or "English First" you will see that they are just barely to the left of neo-Nazi skinheads, albeit with better clothes and haircuts...
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!