Why is that every time BSD is mentioned on the frontpage, we end up with a bunch of linux kids storming in and screaming that BSD is terrible and evil?
Probably for the same reason BSD zealots go the the Linux stories and rail about the "evils" of the GPL... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Taste? TASTE?! It has no taste. Even gnat's piss has more taste!
I haven't heard of "gnat's piss" before. Is that some new-fangled microbrewery beer or something?:-> -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
but for you to say I'm lying that that were on welfare, what the fuck is your deal, I went to school with these guys, I spoke with them, they WERE on welfare
I never said you were lying, but here in Texas there are women and children starving because the Republicans in charge are too chicken-shit to care about them. Maybe you are from Canada were everyone who wants welfare gets it, but here in the U.S. you have to work or go to school to get welfare and food stamps. The good old days of rampant welfare cheating are just a dim memory (unless you are a Ditto-head)... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
HOUSTON (AP) -- A civil rights investigation into a
botched drug raid in which an unarmed man was killed by
nine police bullets will leave "no stone unturned," FBI
Director Louis Freeh vowed Friday.
Freeh met privately with relatives of Pedro Oregon
Navarro, shot to death July 12 after six Houston police
officers stormed his apartment in search of drugs. Oregon
was shot a dozen times, including nine times in the back.
"I pledged to them our commitment to conduct a fair and
full investigation and share those results with them and the
community when we accomplish that," Freeh said.
The six officers went to Oregon's apartment on a tip from
an informant who had just been pulled over for public
intoxication.
Once there, and without a warrant, officers kicked in his
bedroom door and shot 22-year-old Oregon, a father of
two. No drugs were found in the apartment, and the
officers later said they started firing because they thought
Oregon had fired at them. A police investigation, however,
showed a shot from one officer hit another's bulletproof
vest.
Autopsy results showed at least nine shots entered
Oregon's body at a downward angle, suggesting he was
shot while face-down on the floor or while diving toward
the floor.
All six officers were fired from the Houston Police
Department shortly after a state grand jury declined to
indict them on murder charges. One officer was charged
with misdemeanor trespassing.
Freeh, who was in Houston Friday making a regular field
visit, said his the civil rights investigation -- now three
weeks old -- will be thorough.
"The investigation does not mirror or even review what
was done by the previous investigation," Freeh said. "We'll
do it as quickly as we can, but as carefully as we have to,
to ensure that it's a full investigation and also that it's a fair
one."
Houston Police Chief Clarence Bradford, when he
announced the firings of the officers last week, called the
case "super-egregious," saying the officers were fired for
lying, violating several department policies, the
constitutional protection against unlawful searches and
state official oppression laws.
The Mexican government also has expressed its concern
about the shooting because Oregon was from Michoacan,
Mexico. He had been in the United States about eight
years and had worked as a landscaper.
While the old saying that a District Attorney can indict a ham sandwich if he/she wants to is especially true in Texas, due to politics no state grand jury murder indictments were forthcoming. The only policeman that was tried was acquitted of the misdeameanor trespassing charge lodged against him.
One interesting thing came out of this whole mess. The Harris County DA stated that the citizens of Texas are not allowed to resist the police even if the cops are in your home illegally. The police have the right to kill you if you resist them, even if they are breaking the law. In the DA's words: An analogy I use," he told the Houston Chronicle, "is that if it is okay to kill a guy dead, it is okay to
kill him dead, dead, dead."
This should come as no big surprise, because after all, we are talking about Texas! -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
I believe the law allows policemen to take your property away when you've been "suspected" of trafficking drugs.
What about "innocent until proven guilty"? What about "due process"? In effect, forefeiture allows the government to punish suspects without having to obtain a conviction against them or to even give them a trial... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Let's go ahead and make all drugs legal and let everyone get their turn at hindering their ability to lead a productive and meaningful life.
So Timothy Leary, Carl Sagan, and Jerry Garcia did not live "productive and meaningful" lives? -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Dependencies of any kind on physical substances are bad.
Well, I have a pretty bad OXYGEN monkey on my back, and I know I would literally die if I didn't get my daily DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE fix!:-> -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
I know that in my case, I was a frequent user, went to school everyday, had fun, didn't do homework, took all the tests, and guess what? Did very well on the tests, aced most of them. But still ran about a D+ average. What does that tell you?
That you are not as smart as you seem to think you are. If you are smart enough to ace the tests, then it would have only taken you 5 or 10 minutes to knock out the homework. Since it is not "amotivational syndrome" it must be sheer laziness...:->
As an OT aside, I was wondering if you are a programmer. Did you manage to pass your programming classes by taking the tests and not doing the program assignments (i.e., homework)? -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
And then you realize that you have a crappier life than when you were on the drug
Why does everyone say that drug use makes your life worse? It seems to me that Jerry Garcia led a pretty good life even though he used a lot of drugs... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
But they did have this little crack habit, so they got on welfare and robbed people's houses to keep up the habit.
With all the cutbacks in welfare there are poor people who cannot get welfare, so I seriously doubt that there are many crackheads receiving welfare. As for the second half of your statement, people steal because drugs are expensive, and drugs are expensive because they are illegal.
If drugs were legal and were readily available on the free market, prices would go down to next to nothing. To prevent crime, all the the government would need to do is subsidize or give away drugs to all those who wanted them. What incentive would drug addicts have for robbing you if they could spend all their time doing drugs instead? -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
The majority of the population considers themselves to be liberal, not conservative, and any loss of the number of people counted translates to less Congressional representation, and hence, less liberal representation.
And since most racial/ethnic minorities tend to be liberal (unless they have a lot of money), that means a lower level of minority representation too.
The Republicans talk a good game but their actual record on issues of importance to minorities sucks big time.
At least the KKK is overt about their racism; Republicans prefer hide their racism by using code like "states' rights" and "color-blind society". Last I checked blindness was considered a handicap, not a virtue... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
I'm talking about a site that does work, and that DOES enhance the web experience. It does so by using an advanced UI and other features...
How about providing us a link to some of your wonderful websites so that we can ooh and ahh at your "advanced UI" coding skills? -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
For example, if I have a dynamic pulldown menu, it will _NOT_ display right AT ALL on Netscape 3 to the point where one has to force the user to an upgrade screen because the user experience would be more damaging then not.
You are not going to FORCE me to do anything. I define MY own user experience, and if your HTML will not work on my browser, relief is just a click away. If you can't be bothered to write something that works without crap like Javascript and Flash then you obviously don't want me at your site!
For many webpages I have to had to save the source and hack the file into submission. At home, with Junkbuster and Javascript off I would get a blank page on the Linux: Renegade or ally? link posted earlier today. I had to open a text editor and delete HTML until I finally could see the article. And don't get me started on the barely-legible tiny fonts that web developers using CSS are so fond of using!
To bring this back on topic, my bank uses Javascript so I can't access my account when I turn Javascript off, but at least they offer exporting of account data in CSV format... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Shhhh... don't tell anyone or some heads may roll.
Wouldn't it wonderfully ironic if Shapiro got fired over something as stupid as this?!? -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
I happen to believe that the VAST majority of today's Linux users are indeed less than skillful at administering Unix. Inept, if I may say so.
I agree. I have used Linux since '95 (1.12.13 kernel) and would not call myself an expert in it. I know enough to unpack/install tarballs and fix small problems in source code that sometimes prevent compliation so I would call myself a power user but definitely not a wizard.
I think that the problem is that there is a lack of resources for intermediate users like myself. While there are a lot of materials out the net, most seem HOW-TOs aimed at newbies. On the other end of the spectrum, try to post to a unix wizards group and see how fast your mailbox gets indundated with multiple "RTFM" e-mails.
The solution is to buy books like the ones put out by O'Reilly among others, but that costs money. I sure wish I could find a forum where I could discuss more-advanced Linux topics (like shell scripting, system administration, make, rcs/cvs, etc.) with the experts without being insulted or made to feel like an idiot just because I want to learn more about my favorite OS! -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
Are you saying that Win2000 comes with unix comand line tools now?
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C:\>progra~1\cygwin\bin\find --help
would lead me to believe that you added these tools to your Windows box.
My point was not that you can find unix text tools for Windows, but that you have spend time to unix-ify your Windows box to make its' command line more useful. -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
You may not use Windows 2000. I use it all the time. I like it. I like Linux as well, but Linux has a LONG way to go before it even touches the usability in the GUI department for me.
Hasn't anyone told you about the command line yet? grep rules!:->
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Yes, that's the typical excuse given by the Left for their lack of self-control. They're very bad at controlling their own impulses, but they think that they nevertheless ought to take responsibility for controlling the lives of others.
At least when liberals lose control they indulge in an orgy of sex and drugs. Conservatives indulge in a orgy of raping the environment, discriminating against minorities/gays/atheists/foreigners/etc. and destabilizing other countries by sending arms to underground right-wing death squads!!! (and you strict-constructionists out there, please tell me where in the Constitution it says that it is O.K. to meddle in the affairs of other countries).
They don't care that this lack of self-control reveals that it would be quite stupid to entrust them with any power whatsoever (this goes for quite a few of those idiot Republicans in Congress, too).
You are right about idiot Republicans!:->
The reason the system exists is because people WANT government and they WANT socialism. Think of it, when was the last time a Republican came out against social security? Isn't social security the utimate in socialism (i.e., income transfer aimed at redistributing wealth in at attempt at equalizing society)?
People also want clean air, interstates without potholes, disease-free meat, etc., etc., etc. Get rid of government and everything goes to hell. How can you be sure that that burger you are eating is actually beef? Ronald McDonald?
We would have had health care reform had the Republicans not stymied President Clinton's attempts at it. The Army would not be legally discriminating against gays had the Republicans not stood in Pres. Clinton's path. Name one issue where the conservatives are moving forward rather than staying still, or worse, going backwards... -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
The President has no power to legislate (modulo the unconstitutional "executive order," which really ought to be abolished) and he has no power to control how much of your money Congress wants to spend.
The President can (in theory) veto spending bills until one that suits him is put before him, but due to the fact that most spending is done in omnibus-type of bills this doesn't happen very often.
The "executive order" only applies to the executive branch, which the legislative branch has very little control over (mainly funding). Harry Truman integrated the Armed Forces with an executive order, which was his constitutional right as he was the chief executive. Congress could try to change the effect of an executive order through legislation but oops, here comes that pesky veto again!
I suggest you take Political Science 101...
The fact is that men and women have ALWAYS had the "right" to decide whether to reproduce: they could simply abstain from sex.
ROTFL!!! Or to put it in your words: The world doesn't work that way. -- You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
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Why is that every time BSD is mentioned on the frontpage, we end up with a bunch of linux kids storming in and screaming that BSD is terrible and evil?
Probably for the same reason BSD zealots go the the Linux stories and rail about the "evils" of the GPL...
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How about going to Merriam-Webster and looking up hypocrisy...
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Taste? TASTE?! It has no taste. Even gnat's piss has more taste!
:->
I haven't heard of "gnat's piss" before. Is that some new-fangled microbrewery beer or something?
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but for you to say I'm lying that that were on welfare, what the fuck is your deal, I went to school with these guys, I spoke with them, they WERE on welfare
I never said you were lying, but here in Texas there are women and children starving because the Republicans in charge are too chicken-shit to care about them. Maybe you are from Canada were everyone who wants welfare gets it, but here in the U.S. you have to work or go to school to get welfare and food stamps. The good old days of rampant welfare cheating are just a dim memory (unless you are a Ditto-head)...
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You gonna pass me over whatever it is youre smoking?
It's probably a suppository!!!
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Just hope it isn't your door they are knocking down:
From the 11/14/98 Abilene Reporter-News
While the old saying that a District Attorney can indict a ham sandwich if he/she wants to is especially true in Texas, due to politics no state grand jury murder indictments were forthcoming. The only policeman that was tried was acquitted of the misdeameanor trespassing charge lodged against him.
One interesting thing came out of this whole mess. The Harris County DA stated that the citizens of Texas are not allowed to resist the police even if the cops are in your home illegally. The police have the right to kill you if you resist them, even if they are breaking the law. In the DA's words: An analogy I use," he told the Houston Chronicle, "is that if it is okay to kill a guy dead, it is okay to kill him dead, dead, dead."
This should come as no big surprise, because after all, we are talking about Texas!
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I believe the law allows policemen to take your property away when you've been "suspected" of trafficking drugs.
What about "innocent until proven guilty"? What about "due process"? In effect, forefeiture allows the government to punish suspects without having to obtain a conviction against them or to even give them a trial...
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Let's go ahead and make all drugs legal and let everyone get their turn at hindering their ability to lead a productive and meaningful life.
So Timothy Leary, Carl Sagan, and Jerry Garcia did not live "productive and meaningful" lives?
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Dependencies of any kind on physical substances are bad.
:->
Well, I have a pretty bad OXYGEN monkey on my back, and I know I would literally die if I didn't get my daily DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE fix!
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You think being a MIB is all voodoo mind control? You should see the paperwork!
I know that in my case, I was a frequent user, went to school everyday, had fun, didn't do homework, took all the tests, and guess what? Did very well on the tests, aced most of them. But still ran about a D+ average. What does that tell you?
:->
That you are not as smart as you seem to think you are. If you are smart enough to ace the tests, then it would have only taken you 5 or 10 minutes to knock out the homework. Since it is not "amotivational syndrome" it must be sheer laziness...
As an OT aside, I was wondering if you are a programmer. Did you manage to pass your programming classes by taking the tests and not doing the program assignments (i.e., homework)?
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b. getting busted happens quite frequently.
LOL! Let's see: 236,800 drug prisoners in the U.S. in 1999 divided by 14.8 million drug users in the U.S. in 1999 means that drug users had a 1.6% chance of getting busted or a 98.4% chance of NOT getting busted in 1999...
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And then you realize that you have a crappier life than when you were on the drug
Why does everyone say that drug use makes your life worse? It seems to me that Jerry Garcia led a pretty good life even though he used a lot of drugs...
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But they did have this little crack habit, so they got on welfare and robbed people's houses to keep up the habit.
With all the cutbacks in welfare there are poor people who cannot get welfare, so I seriously doubt that there are many crackheads receiving welfare. As for the second half of your statement, people steal because drugs are expensive, and drugs are expensive because they are illegal.
If drugs were legal and were readily available on the free market, prices would go down to next to nothing. To prevent crime, all the the government would need to do is subsidize or give away drugs to all those who wanted them. What incentive would drug addicts have for robbing you if they could spend all their time doing drugs instead?
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Four drinks you are still OK to drive. Five drinks you're a binge drinker. That must be one heck of a fifth drink.
:->
Its probably a Long Island Iced Tea!
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all DARE did was give a few cops extra drinking money.
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Touché! That would make a great
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The majority of the population considers themselves to be liberal, not conservative, and any loss of the number of people counted translates to less Congressional representation, and hence, less liberal representation.
And since most racial/ethnic minorities tend to be liberal (unless they have a lot of money), that means a lower level of minority representation too. The Republicans talk a good game but their actual record on issues of importance to minorities sucks big time.
At least the KKK is overt about their racism; Republicans prefer hide their racism by using code like "states' rights" and "color-blind society". Last I checked blindness was considered a handicap, not a virtue...
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I'm talking about a site that does work, and that DOES enhance the web experience. It does so by using an advanced UI and other features...
How about providing us a link to some of your wonderful websites so that we can ooh and ahh at your "advanced UI" coding skills?
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For example, if I have a dynamic pulldown menu, it will _NOT_ display right AT ALL on Netscape 3 to the point where one has to force the user to an upgrade screen because the user experience would be more damaging then not.
You are not going to FORCE me to do anything. I define MY own user experience, and if your HTML will not work on my browser, relief is just a click away. If you can't be bothered to write something that works without crap like Javascript and Flash then you obviously don't want me at your site!
For many webpages I have to had to save the source and hack the file into submission. At home, with Junkbuster and Javascript off I would get a blank page on the Linux: Renegade or ally? link posted earlier today. I had to open a text editor and delete HTML until I finally could see the article. And don't get me started on the barely-legible tiny fonts that web developers using CSS are so fond of using!
To bring this back on topic, my bank uses Javascript so I can't access my account when I turn Javascript off, but at least they offer exporting of account data in CSV format...
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The mail server on this domain is an OPEN RELAY.
Shhhh... don't tell anyone or some heads may roll.
Wouldn't it wonderfully ironic if Shapiro got fired over something as stupid as this?!?
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I happen to believe that the VAST majority of today's Linux users are indeed less than skillful at administering Unix. Inept, if I may say so.
I agree. I have used Linux since '95 (1.12.13 kernel) and would not call myself an expert in it. I know enough to unpack/install tarballs and fix small problems in source code that sometimes prevent compliation so I would call myself a power user but definitely not a wizard.
I think that the problem is that there is a lack of resources for intermediate users like myself. While there are a lot of materials out the net, most seem HOW-TOs aimed at newbies. On the other end of the spectrum, try to post to a unix wizards group and see how fast your mailbox gets indundated with multiple "RTFM" e-mails.
The solution is to buy books like the ones put out by O'Reilly among others, but that costs money. I sure wish I could find a forum where I could discuss more-advanced Linux topics (like shell scripting, system administration, make, rcs/cvs, etc.) with the experts without being insulted or made to feel like an idiot just because I want to learn more about my favorite OS!
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Are you saying that Win2000 comes with unix comand line tools now?
would lead me to believe that you added these tools to your Windows box.
My point was not that you can find unix text tools for Windows, but that you have spend time to unix-ify your Windows box to make its' command line more useful.
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Speaking of mutation, this is sooooo funny. A little story of how windows got virtual mem,
Or "How my unauthorized fun side project became the world's dominant OS and killed OS/2"
Too funny! You should have submitted this as a story...
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You may not use Windows 2000. I use it all the time. I like it. I like Linux as well, but Linux has a LONG way to go before it even touches the usability in the GUI department for me.
:->
Hasn't anyone told you about the command line yet? grep rules!
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Yes, that's the typical excuse given by the Left for their lack of self-control. They're very bad at controlling their own impulses, but they think that they nevertheless ought to take responsibility for controlling the lives of others.
:->
At least when liberals lose control they indulge in an orgy of sex and drugs. Conservatives indulge in a orgy of raping the environment, discriminating against minorities/gays/atheists/foreigners/etc. and destabilizing other countries by sending arms to underground right-wing death squads!!! (and you strict-constructionists out there, please tell me where in the Constitution it says that it is O.K. to meddle in the affairs of other countries).
They don't care that this lack of self-control reveals that it would be quite stupid to entrust them with any power whatsoever (this goes for quite a few of those idiot Republicans in Congress, too).
You are right about idiot Republicans!
The reason the system exists is because people WANT government and they WANT socialism. Think of it, when was the last time a Republican came out against social security? Isn't social security the utimate in socialism (i.e., income transfer aimed at redistributing wealth in at attempt at equalizing society)?
People also want clean air, interstates without potholes, disease-free meat, etc., etc., etc. Get rid of government and everything goes to hell. How can you be sure that that burger you are eating is actually beef? Ronald McDonald?
We would have had health care reform had the Republicans not stymied President Clinton's attempts at it. The Army would not be legally discriminating against gays had the Republicans not stood in Pres. Clinton's path. Name one issue where the conservatives are moving forward rather than staying still, or worse, going backwards...
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The President has no power to legislate (modulo the unconstitutional "executive order," which really ought to be abolished) and he has no power to control how much of your money Congress wants to spend.
The President can (in theory) veto spending bills until one that suits him is put before him, but due to the fact that most spending is done in omnibus-type of bills this doesn't happen very often.
The "executive order" only applies to the executive branch, which the legislative branch has very little control over (mainly funding). Harry Truman integrated the Armed Forces with an executive order, which was his constitutional right as he was the chief executive. Congress could try to change the effect of an executive order through legislation but oops, here comes that pesky veto again!
I suggest you take Political Science 101...
The fact is that men and women have ALWAYS had the "right" to decide whether to reproduce: they could simply abstain from sex.
ROTFL!!! Or to put it in your words: The world doesn't work that way.
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