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Microsoft's First Ad Targeting Linux
calx sent us a link to this image (mirrors please!) which appears to be Microsoft's first-ever ad directly against Linux. Not bad for an operating system that Microsoft claims is nothing to worry about. The ad essentially says not to trust Linux 'cuz it could mutate (it's actually pretty cool). Here's more information at LinuxToday. [Updated 19:51 GMT by timothy:] dicast threw this mirror onto the sacrificial fire, too.
Well, actually, I'm a german native. :(
But I don't understand neither the german nor the english version
You mean speciation? I don't know, it looks like the *cough* important parts of the penguins aren't changing. *grin*
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Care to elaborate? My interest is piqued as right now I can go to either platform based on an intermediate knowledge of both OS's
"Click My Computer on my Desktop? My Computer is on the floor under the desk."
What happened to the LinuxToday article? It just says "This Story has been unposted". Anyone get a copy before this happened?
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Mutation provides an opportunity to adapt to your environment. Usually, mutation is deleterious in organisms. However, sometimes mutation is beneficial and the organism finds a new niche and is very successful at exploiting this niche. Natural selection weeds out the negative mutations ... just like every distro of Linux isn't going to make it. At least Linux is evolving and adapting to its environment. Funny that the ad didn't talk about the forces of Genetic Drift ... where subgroups establish themselves outside of a larger population. This has the effect of eliminating alleles (all the different forms a particular gene may take) from a breeding population reducing diversity and probably survivability. I wonder if they are experiencing a nasty case of genetic drift which is reducing their talent base. Anyway, their is no way they are going to unseat SuSE in Germany ... not after it has turned into a point of national pride.
Michel Vuijlsteke
Albania for King Zog Committee
Microsoft Linux by 2002!
Does Microsoft REALLY want to get into a battle over operating systems with Linux/BSD?
Microsoft has only ONE Public Relations department. Open Source Software has a million passionate advocates.
Bill Gates and his partners lack street smarts. They don't see that this is a battle they can't win.
Here is another example of Microsoft cluelessness: Microsoft did, and continues to do, things which attract the attention of the United States Department of Justice. Anyone with an understanding of conflict would not want to create such problems! 1) The DOJ has a literally endless amount of money. 2) Attacking Microsoft is much more fun than the jobs DOJ employees normally do. 3) There are people in the U.S. government who believe that killing people and destroying there property is a way to solve problems. (In the last 30 years the U.S. has bombed 11 countries!! If I counted correctly.)
"An open operating system does not only have advantages."
"An open operating system can mutate many times. With Windows 2000 (service pack 2.1.3a stroke four with several additional undocumented manual registry fixes), however, all services are available from a single illegal monopoly. That can really frustrate you when security holes are left unpatched, and cost you when the greedy corporation wrips money from your pockets through the use of overly complex licensing agreements and upgrade plans."
http://www.metamail.org/msad.jpg
where did microsoft get those mutant penguins anyway?
http://www.ehlokitty.org
Joy!
Sorry, I should have made it clearer that when I was referring to "we" I meant the general geek/nerd crowd, which this ad seems to be targeting.
Of course, Windows is extremely frustrating for many 'leisure' users, and it seems the only reason they use it is because they don't know about the alternatives or they're afraid to give it a shot.
How many times have I heard: "It's free? But isn't that illegal?"
-Medgur
Listen folks, Linux will not win its battle with Microsoft unless the community fights back. After all, this ad is the very sort of thing that Microsoft proposed in the Halloween Documents. And the corporate world actually listens to things like this.
:-)
I say the commercial champions of the Open Source/Linux community (i.e., Red Hat, VA Linux, Penguin Computing, etc.) should fight back by putting out ads that rebuke the point, by saying something like "The problem with Closed Source solutions like Windows 2000 is that they are tightly, centrally controlled, and the features you request or need cannot be added, unless Chairman Bill Says So."
Linux follows in a long tradition of UNIX systems, and while they have never offered much in the way of binary compatibility, UNIX/Linux has always provided much more source-level compatibility among its implementations than any other multi-vendor OS. It has also, amazingly, offered much more source-level compatibility than Microsoft ever managed to offer among their own line of operating systems.
Stable APIs and predictable evolution are one of the main reasons I choose Linux over Windows. Well-written code from 20 years ago still works just fine on Linux and takes full advantage of fast processors and large memories. If Microsoft wants to compete on this basis, they have to first reach that level of standardization of their own platforms. Until then, the best choice Windows programmers have is to insulate themselves from the haphazard nature of the Windows APIs and Microsoft corporate strategy by going with something like Java, wxWindows, or Delphi.
Or, to put it differently, a penguin with rabbit ears is still a penguin. Microsoft has been producing a whole zoo instead.
Actually, the Dutch Open Source Foundation (VOSN) (http://vereniging.opensource.nl) has issued
that complaint. nl.linux.org is a VOSN member.
And it's NOT for the record, rest assured.
Suuuomikkie Vinnouuven!
I know it's late, but I'll post anyway =)
How many times has Micro$oft claimed that Linux is NOT competition? Numerous times methinks, and yet they advertise about it.
It truly is the lowest for of advertising when you're slandering your non competitor.
Looks to me like M$ have hooked up with the pro-GE foods crowd...
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Paul.
You are lost in a twisty maze of little standards, all different.
It was pioneered by some genius who was selling laundry detergent in the fifties or sixties... the dude simply had his one company make two different "brands" of detergent and bought ads for each of them advertising aggresively against the other. It worked like a charm, and he got rich.
Kinda like the US elections, eh?
95A, OSR1)Original retail release /other/USB directory.
95B, OSR2)OEM only. Includes FAT32,
95C, OSR2.1)Not sure. Either OSR/2 with Y2K fixes
or the non-IE-doesn't-work fuck-you-DOJ version. Difficult to obtain.
95D, OSR2.5)IE4.01 SP0. USB supplement.
Oops on a few counts there:
95 Gold was the original release. It's also the version sold as "Windows 95 Upgrade". No service packs, old IE, no Online Services, etc.
95A/OSR1 includes Service Pack 1 which you can probably still find out there somewhere.
Then OSR2 (without the USB suppliment on the CD.
Then 2.1 which had a new IE and the
That's the way I saw it go down.
Mirroring allows others to view it even if the original site gets slashdotted. Yes, it's probably copyright infringement.
First some intro...
I have two computers - a P120 laptop with 24M ram and a P166 desktop with 16M ram. Why? Because at the moment I am a poor student who can't afford a Beowulf Cluster to play Quake on. One runs Win95 the other Debian.
The really great thing about things like Linux is that they are a choice based OS, you want a login shell, a text editor and a coupla device drivers? No problem. OTOH if you want several shells, more programming languages than you can shake a stick at, an MS Office clone without (hooo-fu***ng-ray) the paperclip from hell, bell whistles and three different kinds of knob, that isn't a problem either.
This is where cumbersome implementations fall down there is little choice to have cross-platform uniformity and reasonable performance. You get the <sarcasm> perfect* </sarcasm> operating system or nothing, there is no pick-and-choose.
For my desktop I generally only ever use MS Word and Excel (which I must admit aren't bad) and Quake; on my laptop I like to do a bit of programmming in Perl and other assorted crufty things.
Three cheers for Linus and Tux.
Elgon
To mutate to your needs?
This brings M$'s fear of FreeSoftware to light more clearly. Obviously, they know the imporance and subsequent profitability of opensource software models, but are not willing to convert themselves, as moving to Free Software would be the biggest act of hypocracy in the modern computing era. I believe their logic is "If you can't beat 'em, delete 'em." Fortunately, in less than five years, 100% of AOLers will be running 'NIX (Now that's a scary thought...), so kudos to the hacker movement.
If MicroSloth really thought their prouducts were that much better, they would never stoop down to this type of 'diss advertising'.
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>Anything previous to W95 is irrelevant cuz it wasnt useful to begin with.
:-)
Will you say that about '95 in a decade?
Windows 3.1 is STILL used at my college by teachers.
>W95 compatible in all its incarnations.
I _dare_ you to install the Windows '95 original compatible OPTi 924 soundcard drivers in a ME (or hell '98 or OSR2) box without going INSaNE. But they worked like a charm if you run windows '95 original. And yes, I am talking about the hottest, latest version of them.
I also dare you to install my Epson Stylus Color printer driver provided by Epson for Win '95 on a newer W98/WME machine and see if you can get it working without screwing about with it. Yeah, I still use that printer. And the output STILL impresses people.
And, to top it off, I ask if the original Trident 9440 W95 drivers work with new games in W98 (nope... no directX). But windows is fully compatible down the line, right?
>NT is NT all the way down the line.
Can I use a Windows NT 3.5 driver in NT 2000 and have a hope in hell of things working? Nope. I tried with my Cyrix MediaGX audio drivers. For Windows NT 3.5 _only_. Can't get them to work in 2000. Period. But the icons in the system manager (or whatever you call it) look nice...
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Is it me or does this ad admit that open operating systems have advantages?
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If by "Mutate" they mean "Get Better", then their right.
Warning! Keep Out of Eyes! Wash Out with Water! Don't Drink Soap! Dilute! Dilute!
I don't think MS is scared of Linux, but they are scared of the courts. This ad is directed to the courts, not towards consumers.
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Patches appear, patches get used, patches die out.
:-)
forks appear, forks get used, forks die out.
Seems like natural selection to me. Anyways, where you trying to imply linus isn't natural?
http://chris.upnix.com/msad.jpg
...sometimes you need small, flightless waterfowl with a really long nose to get the job done.
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Yeah, well I don't mean to sound to inflammatory here, but much like a fool running Linux will get nohting out of it, a fool running Windows will end up toasting their PC, then blaming it on something else.
My copy of Windows 95 at home has been installed since... about early 1996. Granted, I've moved the hard drive across to another PC, and installed the drivers for it, but I've never had to reinstall.
At work, I did a fresh install of Win98 about 10 months ago. Still running great.
A Mac-user friend of mine tells me that MacOS 7 decays over about 4 months of heavy use, but that's the only case I've heard.
I happened to have a trident card lying around and installed it on my win98 box. They installed without a problem.
I/O, I/O, its off to disk I go, with a read and a write, and a bit and a byte, I/O, I/O, I/O, I/O
Actually you could run winNT 4.0 on PPC hardware
I/O, I/O, its off to disk I go, with a read and a write, and a bit and a byte, I/O, I/O, I/O, I/O
The difference is that each version of Windows breaks the previous generation of application software, while each generation of Linux supports the previous generation of application software.
Put THAT in the ad!
And then there was Corel...
Fix?
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If it says "Troll" on this post,
I successfully annoyed a nerd herd!
i've seen just as many coke ads with pepsi in them...
The only thing I don't do with my Linux boxen that I could with the M$ ones is gaming, and that's because the games haven't been ported yet. I also don't reboot my computers unless the power goes out, so downtime if I'm serving content to someone is not a problem either. So, don't come griping to me about Windows being a better choice, because it all matters from the implementation. If I want to play most of the games that I like, I have to load Windows. If I want to do anything else, I use Linux, or another UNIX variant. If I am going to be serving public content I won't even think about Microsoft, because the closest to a good server platform they ever got was Xenix...
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
I will sacrifice a boxfull of Microsoft cd's at the gun range if you can scan in your copy.
Here you are. Enjoy:
http://www.geocities.com/msadscan/
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Look, the whole MS v. Linux feud has been going on for quite some time now (publicly since the Halloween documents, and privately since at least 1995). But whereas Microsoft is publicly showing its dedication to this relationship, showing they're willing to go the extra mile to keep the love burning, what have we done? What have we contributed?
Nothing. That's right: nothing. We're like spoiled kids unable to grasp the fundamentals of longterm relationships: communication and a willingness to share responsibilities and efforts equally between the two parties. They throw the antitrust case for us, but what have we done in return? We didn't even thank them. Pretty soon, Microsoft will stop speaking to us at all, maybe crash at a friend's house and start running up therapy bills with their suicidal thoughts and deppressional motivations.
Linux needs Microsoft the way Laverne needs Shirley. Without them, our drive for excellence will atrophy, just as theirs did when our relationship started petering out years ago. Why do we even make the pretense of a relationship at all? We should sever our ties and free Microsoft to pursue their old flames again, like that Apple fellow.
But unless we can take that drastic step (and I don't think we can, since we're so accustomed to the emotional security that comes form an abusive and dysfunctional relationship), then we have to start contributing again. Let's reaffirm our love by sabatoging the 2.4 kernel. I realize Redhat's been trying to help with their Redhat7 bugs, but this is a responsibility we have to assume ourselves. At the very least, we must slow down development a little, get a big smug attitude of victory and give Microsoft a chance to catch up.
Unless we do, it may spell the end of a beautiful relationship.
-- Anne Marie
Windows 3.0 had real, standard and enhanced
Windows 3.1 had standard and enhanced
Windows 3.11 was just a bug fix
Windows for Workgroups 3.1 added networking
Windows for Workgroups 3.11 added new features
"If you trust Microsoft, then Windows is right for you"
-- Me, October 2000
As many of you know Microsoft Germany is a separate company which completely belongs to Micorsoft Inc.
There are some reasons to think, that this ad was published without having Microsoft in USA know something about it. The people who are responsible for the german advertisement at MS Germany, work at a german company. You'll see this difference if you'll compare the German ads with the US. There are also some differences on the Web between microsoft.com and microsoft.com/germany. Knowing this, I think, that there might be some problems for MS Germany and Richard Roy, CEO of MS Germany, who will propably have some problems within next days, problems with Microsoft in USA and problems with the customers worldwide.
I think everyone who's been involved in the creation and evolution (even as a user) of all Open Source software should mark this day in their calendars and celebrate it every year as The Day We Arrived. This is a historic day--the day the other guy blinked for the first time. The war isn't over by any means, but the enemy can see the way it's going. Congratulations, everyone.
'cuz it could mutate... into several OS's each with the same (base) name. Seems very much like Windows.
-- Hob - Java Spectrum Emulator
wonder why they don't target the actual Linux disadvantages where Windows is a better choice - which any level-headed Linux user will admit exist..."
That's not the MS Style, and actually it's smart here. Any specific disadvantages addressed, the community is sure to respond to quickly. Ease of use? KDE2 and GNOME. Shitty web browser? Mozilla and Konqueror. etc. Instead they just spread FUD and try to turn the public against us in general.
Erik
It shows that Microsoft is quaking in its buggy boots about "that insignificant operating system." If it's dangerous to the user, and unimportant to the market, why stoop down to knock it?
They've just made themselves look worse than before. If they had been smart, they would have withheld the ad, and only knocked Linux in press conferences when reporters explicitly asked about it. The response could have been a quick, "Well, we don't feel Linux is a viable alternative to Windows, so we don't pay enough attention to it to be able to answer your question." There it is, straight from Microsoft, that Linux is no big deal.
But now, it's so important that Microsoft has to employ FUD tactics. The cycle is beginning: FUD->Embrace->Extend->Suffocate. Next we'll see a few "MGPL" programs, which is the "Microsoft General Public License". Next, they'll clone Linux, maybe calling it "MNL" for "Microsoft is not Linux". Once MNL is the standard Linux system (which they'll see to by flooding the market), they'll migrate everybody to MS Windows2010.
It is always reassuring to know that even your enemies regard your tools and significant. We're no longer invisible.
I do not belong in the spam.redirect.de domain.
I don't think we really need to respond to this as much as you say. I think this article itself is great advertising for linux. Microsoft is saying it's a good operating system but ours is better. They wouldn't even bother doing counter-advertising if it wasn't anything to worry about.
People are starting to know that there are alternatives to windows.
Point 1. Most users don't know the difference between Word and the OS.
/. ers could slap together a demo within 24 hours of reading this post!
Point 2. Most users will NEVER know the difference between the OS and the Office products they use.
I don't have the programming skill to make this happen, but why not create a Linux Kernel that just loads up into a customized StarOffice (Now that it's open source?)
The Office Appliance. Give it the ability to log into Netware, Unik and other Servers and you'll have exactly what most desktop users actually want.
Why not? Heck, most
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
We don't need to respond to MS "in kind" - just let them keep the low ground they've taken.
Instead, the Linux luminaries in Germany (and elsewhere) should gear up for a PR campaign to highlight Linux's natural evolution and "survival of the fittest" versus Microsoft's commercial dictatorship of computing infrastructure.
Let's take the high ground and thank MS for publicizing Linux's versatility.
Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
Why would Tux need to build an igloo? He's a penguin...
Knunov
Why do users with IDs under 100,000 or over 700,000 usually have the most worthwhile comments?
Yep,Windows NT (broken), Windows 95 (broken as well), Windows 2000 (also broken) and Windows ME (still broken).
And while I'm at it:
New Computer: $1000
O'Reilly Book: $35
Distro CD: $2
The Look on the Face of Your MCSE Buddy When He Notices Your Uptime Monitor: priceless.
There are some things money can't buy. Things like Linux.
Babelfish: an open operating system does not only have predivide
LinuxToday: "An open operating system does not just have advantages"
Babelfish: An open operating system can mutate mail. With Windows 2000 however there are all services and services from a hand. That thus really saves time and for cash. More information under www.microsoft.com/germany/windows2000
LinuxToday: "An open operating system sometimes just mutates. Instead Windows 2000 offers all services from a single source. This saves time and consequently really money. More info under www.microsoft.com/germany/windows2000"
Babelfish implies that Linux can mutate your mail? Where's this thing about advantages? I don't see the word advantages anywhere in the babelfish translation.... Hrmph. Sounds like propagandizing from LinuxToday to me.
But I still agree, the changes to the penguin make it a direct attack on Linux.
I'm just surprised they didn't make it a little more accurate and put the BSD daemon's head on Tux, instead of a frog head... IMHO it would have been more accurate, since the linux sources often comment about stuff that was a direct port of BSD code...
Linux - Your Operating system should adapt to your company... not the other way around. I relenquish this idea to the OSS community, just give me credit for it :)
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My mirror is up at http://www.btinternet.com/~Micha el. Tandy/msad.jpg. I've run it through a scratch removal program I've been working on to get rid of the center line, optimised the image and put on Booker's translation.
Michael
...another comment from Michael Tandy.
"Goodness me, how unlike the FBI to abuse the trust of the American public." -- The Onion
If you were a MS lawyer/policymaker and wanted to avoid being labelled an unfair monopoly, what would you do? By letting Linux or any other OS gain a significant niche market (by not FUD'ing it to death), without surrendering their stranglehold on the hard drives of the illiterate (the people who blindly upgrade their versions of Office), they can say, "Look, competition is rising against us" in court. Of course, MS knows that they're never going to let that competition get big enough to hurt them... ...or so they hope...
I swear... you guys are morons... What the ad MEANS is that the different "flavors" of Linux are becoming so dissimilar that soon they'll all be incompatible with each other...
aardWolf
Of course C'T also said that OS/2 Warp was by far the dominant OS in Germany and would kill Windows.
Well, I am sure you can give me the source for that quote. I read this magazine since 1990 and haven't read any such claim in it.
They've got a history of "Anything But Microsoft" even longer than Peterely.
Again, give me the quote. If c't was anti-Microsoft, it wouldn't have that many Windows-related articles, don't you think?
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What it shows is that compatibility was not maintained very well between the various versions of Windows. That supports the earlier post that was disputed. It doesn't make a bit of difference what the hardware is, if the drivers for one version of windows don't work with another version of windows, the windows versions are not compatible.
First, they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
- Mahatma Ghandi
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Linux, tsk tsk, all those distro's make you feel dizzy? Keep it simple, just choose between Windows 98, Windows Millenium, Windows 2000 Professional, Windows Whistler, Windows 2000 datacenter, Windows 2000 applications Center, Windows 2000 server, Windows 2000 advanced server....sir sir, are you still awake?
That used to be true, but not anymore. If your ad contains a factual claim about your competitor's product, you can now mention that product.
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The real interesting side should be trying to get a good old fashion Windows 2.0 or even 3.0 program to run under Windows 2000, without any mods. I am sure that most will break. Thus proving that Microsoft is also bashing itself.
The real issue is that if you upgrade Linux, (most if not) all open source apps running on it will upgrade for FREE. I don't see Microsoft offering to upgrade my old versions of Word and Excel, that no longer work, for free.
I am wondering why nobody has pointed this out? What ever Microsoft says against Linux can be applied to Microsofts own products, every time.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
this is a pretty weak troll, good enough a year ago but probably not today. besides since when are average users the market? they don't buy shit. corporations, now thats where the money is
No, what would be really cool would be a parody with four identical windows in a row, each one broken.
with tux standing around holding a snowball??
"I mean, All you can definately say about a fellow who thinks he's a poached egg, is; He's in the minority." James Burke
W2K ate my balls.
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penguinmon, digivolve to ... penguindeerfrogmon!
My linux has mutated into a carnivore. It is eating windows together with a very nice WINE.
... and I created a nice image against Micro$oft. Try this. Fight the closed source. Fight the ever-the-same OS.
Two Worlds - One Sun [Spirit]
Oops, you're correct. I shouldn't have equated the open source idea coupled with a penguin to linux specifically. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen all three together before that ad. Perhaps somebody should give the idea of a penguin mascot to Linus so he can make the ad pertain to his baby...
Also, it was rather foolish of me to think they would sell both NT and 9x as desktop OSes. Nobody has ever seen NT on anything but a server; what was I thinking?
Posted from the wireless couch.
Bei windows 2000 hingegen gibt es alle Services und Dienste aus einer Hand.
>das spart zeit und wirklich geld
this is ridiculous. in one sentence they say that everything comes out of one hand, and without explanation they claim in the next that this saves time and money. this is classic FUD. it's tantamount to the socialist answer to government (we can be more efficient if all the choices are taken away! honest!). i have yet to see an example where closing things up like this produces positive results. it's competition among the different linux distros that makes the overall linux package they present easier to use, saving the corporate buyer time in learning how to use the thing, and money in that regard, but also there's saved money just from the competition itself, for the purchased product. (i could mention that distros can also be gratis, but this isn't going to make the kind of people this ad is directed toward want it).
Bill Gates ate my balls.
http://www.straightpoop.org/mirrors/msad.jpg 128kbs only tho'
mas cerveza, por favor politically incorrect stu
Yes!!
Graphics people: Let's make our own ad!
I wonder why this ad is first appearing overseas? I guess M$haft doesn't want to find out the hard way they've offended thousands of CEO's here in the States as to their new IT stragegy embracing openness.
bob
You are right sir. What they want is to pay hundreds for their operating system, then pick out and pay hundreds to thousands more for all their apps, then download all the patches and service packs, and then have to do it all over again in two years or less when it's all obsoleted by artificial means which breaks all their existing apps and forces them to rewrite all custom code.
I can certainly see why the average consumer prefers this consumer and user friendly model.
Much better than the Linux System where you can either, at * your choice * go to the store and buy RedHat or Mandrake for 30 bucks which INCLUDES all the apps and documentation that most people will ever want, or buy a ripped copy of Red Hat or Mandrake perfectly legally for less than 5 bucks that is identical to the "official" version, or have a friend, again perfectly legally GIVE you a copy, or download a copy directly from the official distribution web page for free. Get patches and updates on a regular basis, either by going out and getting them yourself or joining a mailing list that just sends them to you, and never spending * another dime * for software.
Install it faster than Windows, very likely with LESS trouble than installing Windows, have it work when you turn it on, and have it KEEP working damn near forever.
Yeah, that model really sucks. People won't go for it.
You know, I've seen more Windows forks than Linux forks. So far, I only know of one official Linux kernel. However, I know of a few (NT and 95/98 for starters, maybe CE and such too) Windows kernels. I would think people should be more afraid of Windows suddenly changing on them and making things incompatable...
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MS-DOS works if all you need is to post inanities on slashdot.
> A picture of some shattered windows, caption, "Sure windows is stable..."
"...because you can't fall over when you're already on the floor."
(or did you mean 'stable' as in 'knee deep in shit' ?)
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... is not the "change" part. They understand change. What they don't understand is decentralized change: evolution, if you want to call it that. See, up at MS, Mr. Chief Software Architect Gates directs the direction that the mutations will take: "hey, let's stick IE into windows and slow down everyone who for some reason does fileops from a GUI." In contrast, the decision-making process for open-source software is more distributed. MS just doesn't understand how decisions can be made when there's not one person holding the reins.
Taking this a step further, all corporations seem to be scared of decentralization. Decentralization, of course, is the thing that the Net is built on, and it's wonderful... but the corporations want to move things more and more to centralized models. I don't think they have some hidden agenda to control more and more facets of operation (well, other than MS and a few others); they just don't 'get' the concept of decentralization, partly because the corporate power structure is based on centralization. (even though the concept of stockholding is a decentralized one, someone with 10 shares of MS stock doesn't get even a tiny piece of power.)
-Entropius
What do you get when you multiply six by nine?
... Seriously, considering that Office sales are down and they're relying on investment jiggery-pokery for their last quarter, I believe we're starting to see the beginning of the decline. Profits from operations are down significantly. And they can't get into the really nice high-margin part of the tech biz, inegration and services consulting, since their customers are that industry and M$ would never survive.. M$ has a >US$300B market cap for what is essentially a one-trick pony (software) and is not diversified across as many lines of business as a traditional corp like GE, IBM, etc. This is fine when everyone needs that one trick, but what happens when it's no longer enough?
.NET will be their Rambus, and possibly even their PS/2..
Micro$oft is built on a very large strong pillar, but it's only _one_ pillar, and the morlocks are starting to get thru the outer layers, and they're not going to stop. The only question is, how long before the jackhammers are done?
Note also what they're doing with their cash. Buying back stock, while a good thing for the price, is not what a growth company is supposed to do.. It's a sign of maturity, and M$ multiples are based on growth not value.. It means that they can't find a more profitable thing to do with the cash besides let it earn interest.. What's next? Dividends?
Microsoft
Your Working Boy,
that's why it was printed in german.
http://www.funkadelic.net/msad.jpg
i prefer the strict method of translation. this is perfect accurate. you folks can decide for yourself what they mean by this.
M$ might be worried, and linux is certainly with its serious advantages. But that is not a reason to be smug about it. M$ can dedicate huge amount of money to hurt linux, and as the coming election shows, you don't need to have substance to win if you have enough money.
So how about some ideas for defense strategies?
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It might be why they're not number one.
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The irony of this is that any reasonable system administrator knows that you don't use a hammer to screw in something. that is to say, you don't use an inappropriate solution to a problem. Shoehorning in an MS solution when a Linux solution will work just as well, and cost less up front is often important. It also works the other way around, if you have no one who is willing to learn Linux.
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So the solution for MS is to downplay that advantage and try to turn it into a disadvantage, at least in the eyes of people who see their advertisements.
Note that's it's pretty much forbidden in advertising to admit your competitor has any advantages whatsoever, unless those advantages are widely accepted by the audience.
Which means that advantages of Open Source Software must be pretty well understood in Germany, otherwise MS's ironic FUDing of those advantages into a disavantage wouldn't have much affect. I can't see them running an ad in the US like that (where there really isn't a wide understanding of the implications of open software other than the extremely low price).
As a general comment, the mutatable nature of Linux is percieved as a potential disadvantage all the time here on Slashdot. People here are always fretting that the big distros are becoming more Windows-like, that KDE/Gnome is going to force desktop bloat down their gullets, that GUI admin tools are going to take their beloved commandline prowness away, and so on. Microsoft just put a funny image on a fear that many Linux users already have.
When I hear the word 'innovation', I reach for my pistol.
Ich denke, daß dieses mehr Linux ist, das BS liebt, erhalten über ihm Sie dumme Dummköpfe
Translation: I think this is more Linux loving BS, get over it you stupid fools.
-TimmyC, Tech Guru
I think that they ARE afraid of Linux. Sure they're not afraid that it'd take over their HOME users, which Linux isn't easy-to-use enough for this, but Linux has already taken a big part of the internet servers, And I'm sure that they really want to rule on this area, with their w2k.
"Not bad for an operating system that Microsoft claims is nothing to worry about." Then again, CmdrTaco, we've seen plenty of anti-Microsoft ads coming from different Linux sources, but we don't sit here pointing at every one of them and saying "Since Linux is superior they shouldn't be worried about Microsoft." Let's try to be at least a little subjective.
It's interesting that an advert of this type should appear in Germany first. Is SuSE proportionately more popular there than, say, Red Hat in America? Or are they using Germany as some sort of test bed? Or is their German Marketing department 'off message'?
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There is no
I'm not calling for ads that say Linux/*BSD necessarily better than Windows2000, but that IT departments should use the best tool for the job. The alternate OS's happen to be that best tool in a majority of these cases, yet aren't always even looked at.
Advertising Linux so far has pretty much consisted of preaching to the choir. We need to get our message across to the eyes of those people, many of whom aren't in our camp, who make the decisions to buy all the Microsoft products at our companies, schools and other organizitions, not because it's the best tool for the job, but because they don't really understand that there's a choice in the matter.
Ah well ... back in the THIS reality ...
The design work has already been done. All someone needs to do is change the text to say "Linux...it evolves along with you"
You had me at "dicks fuck assholes".
Hmm, that first animal doesn't seem to be a penguin too. Perhaps they tried to draw the BSD daemon.
Monkey sense
Microsoft realizes that one of the primary advantages of Linux is its ability to mutate into specialized versions. Microsoft has also realized that their current and potential customers know about this advantage of OSS. But Windows isn't going to change to be more like Linux; in reality, it can't because it is proprietary. So the solution for MS is to downplay that advantage and try to turn it into a disadvantage, at least in the eyes of people who see their advertisements.
If you didn't know anything about OSS and the passion behind it, you might think that it's foolish to rely on a bunch of programmers scattered around the world for your business software needs. After all, there's no real accountability. This is what MS is trying to play off of. But those who are "in the biz," to use the parlance of our times, know that OSS ironically has better reliability and abundant support, despite not being centralized.
-- "Complacency is a far more dangerous attitude than outrage." -Naomi Littlebear
Isn't it the first basic law of nature that what DOESN'T "mutate", or rather adapt, will eventually become extinct?
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Uhmmm. Maybe because their product isn't as good as the original?!
Not that this is relevant here anyway. But I think Microsoft is slowly but inevitably digging their own grave. Not just by attacking Linux, but because they don't realise that most people, including the US DoJ is getting pretty much fed up with their business practices.
...with the red hat?
So I guess a closed OS has no advantages, then?
Btw, it's nice to see that MS *is* scared of Linux and considers it a serious competition, because they now know they have to improve and adapt Windows or fall behind.
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The way I heard it, if you're one of the leaders in the field (i.e. Coke), you don't mention your competitors.
If someone else is more a leader than you (i.e. Pepsi), it's okay to mention the competitor in advertising.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
http://sage.che.pitt.edu/msad.jpg
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I found a neat parody at http://www.linuxpower.cx/linuxad.jpg.
http://members.iinet.net.au/ ~lo cust/mirror/msad.jpg
Um, that's an interesting thought... Could Linux just be concidered a big, human run, genetic algorithem (GA)? I mean, you got a large population of kernels when you concider the large amount of 3rd party patches out there. The good ones make it into the leading product by surviving a test (Linus) and the rest get thrown back into a pool. Mutation. Yum.
As for central control: this explains why a.) Soviet housing was superior to housing in the west, b.) migration from NT to W2K is painless. (Both false, of course. Just spoke with someone whose application/site went down for two weeks after migrating from NT to W2K.
Believe it or not, as a person who moved from xSU to US in 1993 I can confirm that most of Soviet apartment buildings were superior to almost anything available at any reasonable cost in US. The reason was the fact that cost cutting at the expense of quality and durability was absolutely pointless in the economy where government paid for everything, so while extreme luxury was unavailable, and nothing was obtainable fast, reasonable quality was maintained. In Gomel, Belarus my family (me + parents + grandparents) lived in an apartment with two living rooms, two bedrooms, large kitchen, separate bathroom and tiolet, in nice-looking, clean, 9-floors all-concrete building with central heating, working ventilation system in kitchen (that had nothing to do with windows or heating), large windows with two layers of glass in separate frames, and two balconies in both living rooms. In US my parents and grandparents live in a "standard" wooden frame+panels house (parents call dry walls "cardboard", as they are not accustomed to walls shaking and making hollow sounds when something falls on them) with more space yet less convenience, and I rent one-bedroom apartment in SF Bay Area, with the second worst heating system that I have seen in my life, ventilation implemented by myself by placing a temporary fan into half-open window, and barely usable kitchen. Of course, both my rent and parents' mortgage far exceed anything that ever was paid by Soviet government for apartment in Gomel, however apparently american economy produces vast majority most of things at the worst level of quality that can be tolerated by consumers without causing large number of those consumers to start making things by themselves.
Wait, now I get it, that applies to operating systems, too.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
Cheers,
That's what Grandpa-dinosaurs told their grandkid-dinosaurs millions of years ago about mammals.
"Just yer look at 'em darn mammals. Nothin' but darned mutated bests, if yer ask me."
Sorry, MS, I believe that's called evolution.
If you open yourself to the foo, You and foo become one.
hmm. win98 needs to be reinstalled about once a month because it just refuses to start up.
and about this ad; i think it shows a bit bad taste from microsoft and it proves that in the long run they have started to think linux is a threat - but i think not very soon, and the dreaded truth is that linux will never conquer the desktop from windows. but who knows; i might be wrong. we'll see.
ound the message used repetitively over and over still nothing grows silen
http://www.unwin.org/~joshua/msad.jpg
here.
Sheepdot: Open Source good, Closed Source baaaaaaad!
At Virtual Avenue. I don't know how long it will hold up, but get it while you can.
I think the ad is funny and well done. Not that I take the message serious though, Debian will stay on my machine for some time to come...
About a month and a half ago I moved my institution's web site from NT/Netscape Server to Linux/Apache. Of course, Microsoft will still claim it as a purchased license, but at least in this case Linux took one small bit away from M$'s server market :-)
* And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
I'm no artist... but someone really needs to draw an advert to respond to this. How about starting with a Microsoft logo at Richmond, then one in the desert somewhere (all shrivled up because it couldn't adapt to the environment).
Then maybe one in the cold.... and one in space?? (Microsoft logo just expolded!).
Draw Tux along side having found a sunhat, built and igloo & made a space suit!
Is it just me, or does the pig/elephant penguin look just a little too much like its wearing a gas mask. Especially for an ad in German (not thet German are bad, but German soldiers in gas masks make me nervous). Do you think it is intended to bring up visions of Linux stormtroopers marching in to take away our rights, like the "Right to Innovate"?
Work for Change & GET PAID!
Bacteria, after all, are robust life forms.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
After seeing the pic, I've remembered a phrase, "First, they ignore you. Second, they notice you. Third, they became bothered with your existence. Fourth, they fight against you. Then you won". Seems we are close now, but there's something nobody has answered me yet. Is that announce made by Micro or by Soft?
oh no a troll!!! eeep!
http://www.c-60.org/msad.jpg
ive seen it. i had no chance to see it in the ct magazine, but it also appeared in the IT
buisiness newspaper called 'Computerwoche' (engl. Computerweek.
very large scale and full color. bye
The image is mirrored here.
WHOO HOO WE ARE A REALLY THREAT!!
(yes the spelling is intentional)
Now who would consider the Linux community odd??
The Mega Corp that we all love to hate points its marketing guns at us and we cheer!
Oh well the only people who will belive the MS marketing are people who likely would never use Linux anyhow... Or perhaps those morons in middle management...
Yeah, this add is really, really out of place. Remember that back around the turn of the century, Germany was where a lot of the "the strong adapt and survive" philosophies that sprung off of the idea of evolution started and took hold. I know things have changed a lot since then, but I'm assuming that a lot of the really basic society stuff is still the same.... If so, isn't this ad like shooting yourself in the foot?
-RickHunter
"An open operating system sometimes just mutates. Instead Windows 2000 offers all services from a single source. This saves time and consequently really money. More info under www.microsoft.com/germany/windows2000"
I think the proper word is evolve. If an animal doesn't evolve to accept its surroundings it will die. Germans must be stupid or something.
http://www.doogles.com/~doogles/ms ad/ msad.jpg
While M$ could have quoted some made up statistics, or given a bullshit spiel of marketese, or talked about how M$ was "forging the future with partnerships for innovation", they actually thought up something (somewhat) clever, or at least tried to.
And if this was a Slashdot post, it could easily be modified up as +1 (funny) as well as -1 (flamebait)
Hopefully I didn't put any [] around my words.
~ $ make point
make: *** No rule to make target `point'. Stop.
Apparently not...
TO BUY A NEW CAR WOULD MAKE YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
No, really. I think MS Germany should get some heavy reprehension from the headquarters about this. Damn! Do they really think this'll convince anyone with this? It's really stupid!
To the editors: your English is as bad as your Perl. Please go back to grade school.
When is Microsoft, and other closed source advocates, going to realize that this is the whole point of an open operating system? The people using these don't want feature overkill, for security and speed reasons. It seems natural then that they'd drift to an open kernel. What you don't like you can just opt out. Can you do that with, say, Win2k? To a limited (severly) extent.
Infact, this ad may be counter productive for Microsoft - it seems to be advertising just what we want, that Linux is a customizable, diverse OS, and that if the maintainers dissappear, it will still be extendable and updatable. If Microsoft goes down in a great ball of litigation, who's going to provide support for all the Win2K boxes out there? Even more important, will there still be support for them in 5 years time, even if Microsoft survives?
I think not.
-Medgur
3.0 had real mode and standard mode
3.1 added enhanced mode and removed real mode
Windows 3.11 and Windows for WOrkgroups 3.11 were different products. (Win 3.11 was an upgrade to Win 3.1 with a few minor bug fixes and new drivers WFW 3.11 had networking support)
Now, can you list all the versions in the MS-DOS 6 product line including the differences between them and any lawsuits that might be relevant?
Anyway, I've mirrored the ad over at FPN: http://floach.pimpin.net/msad.jpg
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Ahhh yes, but that is mutating where YOU want to go today, ummm hang on a second, make that where you are TOLD to go today.
Speaking of mutation, this is sooooo funny. A little story of how windows got virtual mem, i dont know if it has been posted before. I think that the guy should join the linux crew.
How every version of MICROS~1 Windows(TM) comes to exist.
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an open operating system does not only have advantages
An open operating system can very well mutate some time. As opposed, with Windows 2000 you get all services from one (hand|person|organization). Thus, you save time - and thereby really save money. More information at www.microsoft.com/...
When you go to the LinuxToday site you get:
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Huh?
... what they are advertising. Linux has more variation ? Windows has less freedom ?
be surprised then, because it really is... the word for word translation would be: "an open operating system has not only advantages".
whoops, slash mangled my link. this time it works
http://www.c-60.org/msad.jpg
The text in the corner says: "An open-source system can mutate each time. Going with Windows 2000 you have all programs and services at hand. This saves time and, truly, some money. More information is available at www.microsoft.com/germany/windows2000"
"An open operating system does not only have advantages."
"An open operating system can mutate many times. With Windows 2000, however, all services are available from a single hand.(?) That can really save you time and money."
Or something like that...
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Why does every discussion about Linux vs Windows degenerate to Linux vs 95? Could it be because most of you have never even tried an NT like W2K?
Probably because There's a lot more '95 and '98 out there than NT. For the record, I have used NT, and convinced my employer at the time to upgrade to Linux for stability. That was in '96. As for ME, are you saying that it's so bad that less than a year after it's release, even MS wishes it would go away?
That Bill Gates, that great monster, who's done so many sleazy business practices, whose one soo much illegal suff, etc, etc, etc, would just sit back and watch it all go away and lose?
No, he's gonna fight. And now that everyone is just celeberating that Linux has been acknowledged, think about how that acknowledgement will lead to a more active strategy against Linux. Now that it's officially a threat, the negative publicity against it will skyrocket exponentially. Do we really want that?
-"Those who fought today will die tommorow."-
It looks to me as if this is meant as a mockery.
But I think that's a shoot in the foot - it's a great free commercial for Linux:
"...Bei Windows 2000 hingegen gibt es alle Sevices und Dienste aus einer Hand. Das spart Zeit und somit wirklich Geld...."
"Whereas with Windows 2000, all Services and Servies are coming from one Source. This saves Time and really actually money."
Yes, that's correct - Services and "Dienste" are the english and german word for the same thing, so the correct translation for their stupid text is "...Services and Services..." They just want to look cool using english phrases.
And, look at the awkwardness, how they try to show that it "really" saves money to use Windows 2000.
Who are they trying to fool? If you buy a new Harddisk under M$oft OS - you may need to buy another license to use it legally!
I think they are under pressure in GE. There are Linux CD-Roms attached to PC Magazine covers in grocery stores (I saw 2 SuSE versions offered that way within 6 month or so) and the german mentality looks more "under the hood" than at the glossy packaging.
Somehwere I read that SuSE is a very successful company in Europe and actually making a buck. Is Red-Hat out of the "red" yet?
The line below the picture:
"ein offenes betriebssystem hat nicht nur vorteile"
means:
>an open operating system does not only have advantages
So they are saying the an open operating system has advantages - well, they may feel it... - Great!
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If we skip the ones that are only sold to hardware vendors we get a choice of:
- Windows ME (Home desktop)
- Windows 2000 Professional (Business desktop)
- Windows 2000 Server (Small Servers)
- Windows 2000 Advanced Server (Big Servers)
Four choices in total. Two choices for servers, Two choices for desktops. All use the Win32 API. All use the same driver architecture. Be honest here, MS does make the choices pretty easy.DLL morphing is what finally caused me to give up on W95 on the desktop. In linux at least you have control over versions of shared libraries.
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Yep. Ever heard of the internet?
Actually open source is setting the standards that everybody will follow.
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Why would LinuxToday pull their piece on this M$ advertisement? Are we witnessing a conspiracy in action? =)
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This ad is funny and everything, but so were Apple's ads when it felt competition from Windows. When Win 95 came out Apple, it their "we're still better" attitude, ran newspaper ads that read "C:1/4ONGRTLNS.W95," in reference to MS-DOS's file naming protocols. Apple also ran TV ads insulting the speed of the Pentium II compared to its PowerPC. You see, when a company feels the heat, they'll make "we're better than the competor" jokes and remarks just like these to make it seem that they're still superior. A company that feels no competiton wouldn't dare do a thing like this. Why publicize another brand at all when you're #1? I see it as tell-tale sign that Microsoft's feeling Linux-anxiety.
>Shit hardware usually equals shit head.
Huh?
The Epson Stylus Color is a 720x720 DPI color inkjet printer employing the MACH technology that Epson STILL uses. You calling this SHIT?
And you call the OPTi 924 soundcard, which does MIDI, 16-bit stereo sound, SB emulation, WSS emulation, etc etc, SHIT? Is the SB16 SHIT too?
Yeah, the Trident card isn't good. So what?
Interestingly enough ALL this hardware works 100% in Linux, but not windows.
And, might I mention, that saving money on hardware (where you reasonably can) give you a fat wallet to spend on more important things...
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
It doesn't really irritate me that it is suggested that you have to pay licenses for all software.
Not all software. I'm sure the Debian Project or SuSE or Red Hat doesn't care if you install their distros on more than one computer. In fact, they probably encourage it!
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Talk about bad advertising tactics. This ad is funny and cool and makes Linux look funky, bizarre and flexible. Which is basically true (including ungainly, goofy, and fun) so what we have here is a MS-funded advertising agency failing to understand that and producing advertising that not only gives free publicity to their competition but un-sells their product. More please :)
It's also possible that MSoft Germany ran this add of their own initiative without consulting head-office - although I agree that's not very likely.
I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
Speaking of mutation, this is sooooo funny. A little story of how windows got virtual mem,
Or "How my unauthorized fun side project became the world's dominant OS and killed OS/2"
Too funny! You should have submitted this as a story...
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I have seen another ad from microsoft. it basically went on to say that UNIX was ancient, hard to train people for, and Linux/BSD was ONLY used on about 11% of americas servers.
Its funny that they apparently don't relize how old they've become, they are older than Linux, that no operating system is intuitive, that 11% of a market is pretty good for something that was started as a re-implimentation of an "ancient" system, and that Gates has a really annoying voice, and should never do speeches or television.
Primordial ooze -> Lots of mutations -> Human
Now repeat that with operating systems...
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Microsoft did something funny. Well, there is a first time for everything...
i saved it as a background image on my linux desktop...
.. and free too ! :-)
this is really good promotion for Linux
Ricardo.
And the text at the bottom means:
If I knew german, id give a much better translation, sorry folks...Windows has a few mutations (see the Windows History Chart, also here), but the number is delta compared to the number of Unix variants.
Pete
A few years ago, you started out with computers. You bought one, with the software to go with it. But your company grew, and now you have tens of computers. But you may be in for a costly surprise, because no one told you that you need to pay for the software for all your new machines. Call Microsoft now for more information about licensing.
The ad irritates me big time, for a number of reasons. First, it ignores the Microsoft Tax. It is damn near impossible to buy a computer without Windows anyway. Second, it implies that all software is created with their business model in mind. It skirts the transferrability issue (their is none in their mind, but I'd like to see that one dealt with in court). It does not address upgrade costs. The whole tone of the ad suggests that they're the only game in town anyway.
Oh, and finally, the animation is offendingly ugly. Even the ads from our tax men show more imagination.
Anyway, the thing obviously targets small businesses and not consumers.
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The US mirror listed in the article appears to be washed out (and resized). Here's a copy of the original: http://qux.net/mirrors/msad.jpg
Dude, your point that DRIVERS still don't work across operating system versions is irrelevant and shows a blatant lack of understanding.
Drivers are pieces of software that typically have a great deal more to do with the specific data structures and lower-level API of an operating system that does user application code. As a result, drivers are VERY hardware and operating systems version specific. DUH!
So, if you want to criticize windows, you sure picked a damn stupid way to do it. In fact, some would even argue that nt's microkernel architecture lends itself more readily to quelling driver incompatibilities across kernel versions than does linux's monolithic kernel.
-Calin
Not quite accurate re: 95
95A, OSR1)Original retail release
95B, OSR2)OEM only. Includes FAT32,
95C, OSR2.1)Not sure. Either OSR/2 with Y2K fixes or the non-IE-doesn't-work fuck-you-DOJ version. Difficult to obtain.
95D, OSR2.5)IE4.01 SP0. USB supplement.
Oh, and...
W2K Professional
W2K Server
W2K Advanced Server
W2K Datacenter Server
The link given above and included here to the story in LinuxToday leads to a This story has been unposted page. Here is the link to the new location of the story.
Remember in the late 80s when Microsoft and IBM pushed OS/2 as the successor to Windows? Who would have thought that an OS backed by such heavyweights as IBM and Microsoft would just be abandoned?
We just (last year) reformatted our last OS/2 install in our libraries here. It was required by some software to manage libraries. Some companies made some huge investments in OS/2 development to just be abandoned. At least if OS/2 was free-sourced, development could have continued.
This ad should be read as that you should trust it all to Microsoft and if their business needs and plans change, you MUST change with them or else be left behind (at a reasonable upgrade fee of course...)
To face open competition with Microsoft?
You (justifiably, and rightfully) arrogant Linux advocates finally got whatcha want - an open public challenge (in Germany) from Microsoft.
Here's the rules:
No whining. You've been openly bashing Microsoft for years. Now they get to bash back.
No more anticompetitive claims (see: whining). You have to fight on the same playing field with the same rules as everyone else.
No more distro wars. We need to united in our diversity.
There's no running back to mommy and daddy now that we have Microsoft's attention and a position on the world stage of open competition.
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ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
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But Koehntopp was faster. Yes, this ad is real, and yes, it' stupid. To paraphrase my (now obsolete) submission:
"While Linux isn't mentioned directly, the target of the ad is obvious. It seems silly that MS uses an argument that can so easily be refuted. While not being a Bill Gates Fanboy, I wonder why they don't target the actual Linux disadvantages where Windows is a better choice - which any level-headed Linux user will admit exist..."
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95 is a common os out right now, and MS is forcing poeple off of it by not writing compatabily to 95 in their new code (see: Windows Media Player 7) YES THEY DON'T MORPH.
At work NT4 sp6 had it virsus software upgraded. ODBC, MSACCESS, and third party SQL was taken out, and now can not be made whole, because you have to load SQL7 drivers - there is no 6.5 and "Run this script on SQL6.5 to make it work with 7 drivers" -- yeah sure.
MS does not MORPH... It colapses!
I have cleaned up the pic and sharpened it, but I don't have anyplace webwise to put it. Any takers?
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What's the difference anyway ;)
"This product requires Windows NT 4 (Service Pack 3)"
Evolution is not needed if you are already perfectly adapted to your environment.
Or at least that's what the fish makes of it...
OK: I get (L to R) a penguin; a donkpengiger; a reinpenrog; and penpigephant.
Now, *that's* mutation!
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When are they going to sue all the mirrors for inapropriate use of our copyrighted material under the DMCA?
http://dusk.bitstream.net/ War ehouse/Unsorted/msad.jpg
Yes, you're right. The official Win 3.1x documentation tells you to contact the vendor for an updated version of applications that would require "real-mode" (?) support. (I think the command line switch was "-r" for "real", but you get the idea.)
>SOFTWARE, NOT DRIVERS, YOU NIMROD. MAYBE COMPUTERS JUST ARENT FOR YOU.
Are you telling me drivers are NOT software?
EVEN A M O R O N KNOWS THAT DRIVERS ***ARE*** PIECES OF SOFTWARE. They just do a more specific task than wordprocessing.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, WHAT DO YOU THINK COMPUTER DRIVERS ARE, ANYWAYS? Little munchkins driving cars inside your computer passing messages between the hardware?
MAYBE A BICYCLE IS MORE YOUR SPEED.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
>MAYBE YOU ARE JUST TOO STUPID TO INSTALL THEM?
Maybe you are too stupid to listen to what I said.
Thank God the moderators are gone and I can say what I like.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
From what I have been seeing here it seems like linux users want it both ways. If MS doesn't support old software then they are the bad guy, but if they try to keep some level of functionality for existing products then they get nailed for not inovating.
Not everyone has the luxury to recompile and confgure their machine to the latest distro of some utility. True linux type OS's can be amazingly stable. I honestly feel that they make better webservers then 2000 machines do right now. For me the problem is that they require too much "upkeep" to work the way that I want them too. They are great if you have the time to commit to them but I would rather do other things like go outside, talk to members of the opposite sex, or maybe both at once.
I see people using windows OS's because they know what to expect. There are so much less hoops to jump through to get something up and running. If I want to run my old Math Blaster program from the third grade I can.
Basically I would sacrifice other benifits for the ablity to run much more legacy software.
-drew
This
Actually, if not for a dead UPS, the server where I work wouldn't have had to reboot for years. It runs Windows NT 4.
...as do our computer-controlled lathes in the back shop. (2 of them) If one of them crashed, it would be... a bad thing. So, it's pretty good that WinNT doesn't crash that often.
(I know it's not Win9x, but I already gave those examples, and you just said WINDOWS is messy and unstable.)
I keep getting the error message, "This story has been unposted." Any insight?
... there is nothing that has not already been thought
Hot? Hellz No ..
If you buy a laptop from Compaq you are screwed if you ever wipe out the drive.
There are NO driver floppies which came with the damn thing. All it had was a CD-ROM which restored the machine back to its original state. Now mind you that CD doesnt work if the partitions on the disk were changed in any way. Compaq has this unique partition thing which ensures that the restore CDs will work only with the laptop which it came with. My mistake in being cheap and buying a lower end laptop.
I went to compaq.com and no there are no drivers there either. I went to drivershq.com and similar sites, but no drivers there either.
Now I dont buy from Compaq at all. I buy from Dell or IBM now.
Did we forget Xenix?
well, for me the only reason to run win are games, and the nt is always behind on drivers, directX etc... so it's out of the game...
as a result, if there's any need for win, it's 95 or 98
erik
...all excited, don't know why...
... and then they exploit your image for marketing purposes.
(Bonus points for the first person to come up with an image of Tux sitting at a loom.)
Any sufficiently advanced civilization is indistinguishable from Gods.
The original (blurry) image is here
--
From: Aaron "PooF" Matthews
It's a good job nature doesn't have a Microsoft attitude. We'd all still be bacteria.
Evolution! Yay!
LOL.. well for one, Linux doesn't belong to a company.. since it doesn't have a company, there's no advertising.. Fool.. Oh, and another point, there is more MS Bashing coming from Linux users than Linux bashing coming from adverts and Windows' users..
-TimmyC, Tech Guru
Sortof, except that we do not have natural selection; we have artificial selection - Linus.
One of the oldest marketing tricks is to promote your worse feature as the best thing since sliced bread. Don't ask me why it works, but it does and you'll see it all the time.
-- I have a private email server in my basement.
Who cares about W95, 98 or ME?
As an application developer I still basically need to make sure my code works with windows 95. What, they fixed that bug in win98SE? Or maybe this essential OS feature is provided if you have Internet Explorer v4.0 or higher instaleld! Too bad I can't use any of that!
Trees can't go dancing
So do them a big favor
Pretend dancing stinks!
One hand? Oh, that's like one click patenting. Doing things with one hand is good - it allows you free to do things with the other hand, like laundry or faxing that memo to the boss!
--Giving to trolls for the benefit of us all
...I could see this as a particular PR coup for linux...
Look at it this way:
Linux: Nietzchian Super-Mutant OS!
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Feminism is the wild notion that women are human beings.
I'm pretty sure they removed standard mode from Windows 3.11. I remember unsuccessfully trying to install it on a 286.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
Great. Now I have to go create my own linux distribution just so I can use that cool penguin/frog/deer crossbread as my mascot. Thanks, Microsoft, for shoehorning more work onto my schedule! Jerks.
If you say, "now I'll be modded down because of X", I'll happily oblige.
Is this really from M$? Or is this anit-M$ FUD? Where's the source?
You would get sued 40 different ways for illegaly using their logo. Since nobody here likes copyright laws I don't think the tux penguin is registered to anyone. People here would go apeshit if MS used your logo for an anti linux ad.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
http://www.zianet.com/endikos/msad.jpg
mutation + selection gives adaptation, which is an evolutionary process, whereby an organism becomes fitted to its environment.
One of the main rules of advertising is that as soon as you mention your competitor in your ad you're already dead. Unless this was a move by MS Germany without permission from the mothership it's a good sign for Linux I think. To me it shows either desperation or stupidity, both of which are okay by me. :)
see http://www.kmfms.com/ .
:-)
Good luck with it
It's... It's...
"We can confirm that Debian does *not* ship the version with the trojan horse. Our version predates it." [CA-2002-28]
Now what was that about an OS mutating into incompatible incarnations?
There's a billboard on the 101, near Palo Alto, that says (IIRC):
If you're going to join a revolution, choose carefully.
http://www.microsoft.com/jobs
I certainly interpret this to be appealing to people curious about Linux, given some of the local companies ad copy (eg, Linuxcare: At the Center of the Revolution.)
-- Kate
Maybe the poster meant programs like "word" or games, not programs used for driver or hardware purposes...
Make a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life
I don't remember where I got this quote from, but it is all too often applicable to slashdot and (gasp!) ZDNet/CNet... :-)
"Say what you mean. Mean what you say."
Isn't that the problem with print, though? You can't easily say what you mean. Even I've been guilty of that (and of Ranting/Flaming... yeah, yesterday even. I gotta chill out a little).
But, if there is any doubt, I usually try to approach these issues with a little tact. Unless someone directly insults me. In which case, all hell breaks loose. Thank God I don't go to bars.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
thats a nice slogan! i mean with linux u can customze EVRYTHING! while with Micro$not u get what they say u get....."Where will we take u today?"
hahaha!
the only thing is that i find the halloween papers a bit scary. coz 'they' have realized the power of opensource....!
may the source be with u!
$man why do people divorce?
man-too many arguments
If you're like me, you agonize over what the text actually says on the Micro$oft ad in Germany. Fortunately for me, I've got a father who has a Ph.D in the German language, and he was happy to translate the text for me, and now for all of you: The Sentence at the bottom, underneath the mutated penguins reads (my dad is nontechnical and knows nothing of "open source" so where he says "public", read "open"): "There are not just advantages to public systems." The paragraph at the top reads: "A public operating system can also mutate now and again. In the case of Windows 2000, however, all services and support come from one source. That saves time and money as well. More info at: [MS' German web address]" Those of you who tried babelfish.altavista.com for a translation of German into English (shameless plug: they translate several other languages including Italian, French, Spanish, etc.) would have, like me, received a rather gibberish translation, so its just lucky that some of us have parents who are fluent in German. :)
Sounds logical. But I'm quite sure there is a 2.5. The PIIX4 chipset update for Win95 figures in there somehwere too.
No, it isnt, and your opinion is wrong for most of the german people (well, there are allways some ancient-minded shitheads). If there is something you can read out of the ad, then it is _Microsoft_ assuming that one central control instance is what people want. Nothing more. And as far as I am concerned, this is wrong.
That is not true. LKM's (loadable kernel modules, which are basically a superset of linux drivers) are NEVER binary-compatible across even minor kernel revisions -- 2.2.14 vs. 2.2.16 for instance. You always have to recompile them across kernel revisions.
The fact that microsoft drivers SOMETIMES work (without recompilation) from windows 95 to 98 is really a minor miracle, and is probably Not A Good Thing. Ideally you want your OS to reject drivers that weren't compiled for that very specific kernel version. Anything else becomes a hack on top of a hack and is prone to failure, erratic behaviour, and/or just plain unmaintainability.
And your argument that drivers are software is correct technically, but drivers are really an extension of the operating system. They are not mere user application programs. They have access to kernel internals, which are liable to change across even minor OS version numbers. Hence, if the operating system's internals change in the least, it is unfair to expect old drivers to work in a new operating system version. This should not be a criticism of microsoft's os.
And, it should be pointed out that the complaint (according to the ad) is that with Open Source you don't have a single point of contact.
With a purchase of a BSDi (telenet) server, FreeBSD and a 24X7 support contract you have something Microsoft can't offer.
A vendor that makes the hardware AND software all in one. All your services from a single source.
(To the best of my knowledge, Apple doesn't offer 24X7 OS support.)
No where in the ad does it say Linux. The ad talks about Open Source.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
There's a lot more janitors than brain surgeons but you dont see janitors giving brain surgeons advice on surgery, do you?
I also don't see hospitals that said the new janitor '95 is the solution to all of your brain tumor problems.
The point is that W2K is just the latest in a long line of mutations to come out of Redmond.
Not if you bought the spec that Apple said OS X would need two years ago.
perl -e 'fork||print for split//,"hahahaha"'
Well, actually nobody has won this "war". Have a look what Ghandi said... we reached the "Then they fight you"-stage, this is the one right before "then you win". The problem with this ad is another. Microsoft claims that an open source OS never can be good, as it is underlaying steady minor and big mutations. Have a look at posting #148. Windows itself is mutating since it was born, uncontrollable for anyone outside MS (and sometimes I believe even uncontrollable for MS). So they suffer the same problem that they attack Linux for. This ad just shows one single thing: Microsoft is getting mad about Linux in a way they start to drop eggs without realizing they make themselves up as clowns. I do not believe the Linux community has to start fighting Windows in any way. Time will show which OS is the better one, and currently (in my eyes) Linux is taking the leading position. Just my 0.02$. cu, otaku
Well, actually Microsoft seems to have enough time left for their "add composers" (whats the correct name of those people, dunno) to do such an add. And not to forget the money they have to spend for an ad that covers 2 pages in one of the best german computer mags (along with other mags).
So what? If there is one out there who wants to improve their effort to show a better text, why not?
You can find the image here.
Do they make a Linux distro?
Are they some sort of upstart?
How come I've never heard of them?
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
I thik microsoft is the current leader in mutated software.
How many OS products do they currently sell? At what prices? How many licences with each? How many optional software products to buy before you can actually do dome work? Pro or non-pro versions?
You'd have to look through several pages of a software catalog to sort it all out.
Linux is more like natural selection than mutation -- the way a free/choice driven market should be.
Microsoft is more like a pit bull that terrified everyone in the neighborhood in it's youth -- bullying innocent children with its wiry muscles and snapping jaws -- but in its later stages, it's getting mangy, smelly and weak; with a variety of lumpy growths throughout its carcass.
Microsoft: The kids are growing up, they're swinging open source clubs, and it's payback time.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
See my user info for links.
http://sammy.cwru.edu/images/msad.jpg
Brian T Glenn
delink.net Internet Services
Linux - Cuz one size doesn't fit all."
These guys are actually advertising their greatest weakness: that Windows is set in stone, you can't change it and your OEM can't tailor it to your needs.
Someone should run this picture as an ad for Linux.
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
Somebody should explain to Microsoft why linux can mutate, but won't mutate into a pile of goo. We have these things called "standards" and we're pretty good and following them.
In fact there's no such thing as NT4, since the huge number of service packs, patches and updates makes it a very variable platform. Oddly enough, I never got twice the same exact NT4 install !!
I really enjoyed the "frog head linux", which :)
might be a good name for a distribution.
Possible M$ is trying to extend the linux logo
as they are not able to extend linux itself
Since 1998, the image of "Software Wars" has accurately describe the situation in the world of personal computer software. A picture is worth a thousand words, and this image serves as a powerful tool for Linux advocacy, pictorially showing the events in the competition for world domination between proprietary and free (open source) software. You will be touched by it, and appreciate its humor.
The image has just been updated to reflect the latest events. It can be found at
http://www.atai.org/softwarewar.gif
Old versions of the same image can be found from the top of
http://www.atai.org/
Have fun and enjoy!
Free Software: the software by the people, of the people and for the people. Develop! Share! Enhance! Enjoy!
How'd they manage that?
I don't use Windows much, so I've only played around a little with 2000. If they've actually defeated DLL Hell after only 10-odd years of trying, I want to see it!
D
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Maybe we should use mutating to keep track of the current distro's history.
I mean, stripping redhat to get just the firewalling, or using it as a base but with 586 compiled binaries to get it faster should at least have some kind of red top of their symbols.
And I insist that SuSe makes a suitable cross of their logo so that it's mostly penguin!
However,
The Microsoft Ad isn't Targeting the Kernel versions of Linux as much as the various Distros. of Linux. It's attacking the fact that their's Red Had, SuSe, Mandrake, Turbolinux and the like. and that their all have their own upgrade path and design
All of the windows have different kernel's running them. windows 3.1's kernel is different from the 95 kernel, which is different from the 98 kernel, which is different from the ME kernel, and the NT 3.1 kernel is different from the 3.5 kernel, which is different from the 4.0 Kernel, which is different from the 2000 Kernel.
This ad is still not accurate because Microsoft does the same thing with win2k. in the form of professional, server, advanced server and datacenter server. the only thing i caould think of this ad targeting is the fact that their is many linux providers making different linux's for different needs, where Microsoft is your one stop place to get the OS you neeed for your business.
--
In Soviet Russia, Trojan exploits YOU!
Of all the companies that should hold their tongue about the worry that Linux could "mutate" into something that causes you support troubles, Microsoft sits on top. Between versions of Windows 95 (sing 'em with me now - 95A, 95B, OSR2...), incompatibilities with service packs in NT products, and file format changes in just about every successive release of Office, it's surprising that they can even remember what the hell the products are long enough to mount a defense to the anti-trust... oh, wait. The lost that big time, didn't they.
Of course, I suppose this experience does lend them some degree of credibility. I'm looking for an English version that reads something like this:
I just need to play devil's advocate for a moment, please keep the gas away from the flames...
Although it is true that MS dosn't have source compatibality between variants, binary compatability _is_ there. It may not be rock solid, but it's there. A typical Win16 program - one that does not use "undocumented" features - Will run on win2k. It is true that you don't stand a chance in hell of getting a current win32 app to run on win16, the same is true of getting a glibc2.1 app to run on say, slackware 3.2...
Lets be fair here. Windows is not the best operating system, but it is the easiest to run out of the box.
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Desperation is a stinky cologne
What happened to the linuxtoday link?
Well, here in Holland, there's only one kinda frequent M$ advertisement. It is on radio and TV, and all it does is...
...remind you that you have to pay for Windows!
Yes, I am serious. All the commercial says is "if you install software on multiple machines, you must not forget to pay up multiple licenses". It's presented as if this is a general rule for software, but the images in the TV commercial make clear that this is a Microsoft commercial.
Actually, some folks on http://www.nl.linux.org/ seem to have complained to the Commision of Advertisements about this. Just for the record, I guess.
It doesn't really irritate me that it is suggested that you have to pay licenses for all software. What does irritate me is that this seems to be all the advertisement M$ needs. I never managed to get rich of saying "hey, you, give me loads of money, and don't complain about it", so why should they.
It's... It's...
"We can confirm that Debian does *not* ship the version with the trojan horse. Our version predates it." [CA-2002-28]
This is what they really mean.
--- You make things foolproof, and they'll find you a damn fool.
>As a result, drivers are VERY hardware and operating systems version specific. DUH!
:-)
But the original poster was trying to tell me that ALL of windows ME/98 is compatible with 95. Are you agreeing with me by telling me the API has changed? Doesn't that PROVE that 98 and ME are somewhat INCOMPATIBLE with 95?
>Dude, your point that DRIVERS still don't work across operating system versions is irrelevant and shows a blatant lack of understanding.
According to the original poster, Windows 98/ME are nothing more than some "extra features" packed into 95. Just like kernel 2.0.35 has "extra features" compared to kernel 2.0.1. They are still compatible with the software on the system. ie: If 98 doesn't work with 95 drivers, then 98 is NOT just a minor revision. It is a complete new OS line, the same as kernel 2.2 is a whole new line of kernels compared to 2.0.
>So, if you want to criticize windows, you sure picked a damn stupid way to do it.
>than does linux's monolithic kernel.
Oh for God's sakes, you are the THIRD person to try to derail this discussion into a LINUX argument. This is a MICROSOFT discussion. Stay ON TOPIC.
>So, if you want to criticize windows, you sure picked a damn stupid way to do it.
If later revisions of windows don't take older drivers, they are NOT fully compatible. Unless you choose to think like Microsoft and say "But... But... But... But... no, that doesn't count. Because we said so.".
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts... damn I forgot the rest. Well, either way, trying to fight an argument by excluding the main topic from discussion is like trying to stop water exiting a fire hose with your hand. You just lose.
On the other hand, you should write EULAs. Microsoft LOVES people who are willing to take a perfectly normal topic and twist it so it fits their ideas.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
because, as you know, Microsoft's operating systems never change, and never change hands, and their focus on desktop && server never change. I'm gonna fire up PFS:Write on Dos 9 and host the image on my Xenix 2000 machine! Whoo! Yeah! Erm...wait.
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
I want this picture as my desktop background (linux of course). Maybe someone can make a better scan available? I read it in the c't today as well and found it quite amusing.
Yes, and after running for millions of years Linux will finally tell us the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. Assuming the earth lasts that long...
The end of it's trunk looks like, well.. not the end of any trunk I've seen, unless the appendage has 'grown' to mean other such shaped objects.
Moo
nuff said
When will they port linux to it?
http://64.192.122.57/msad.jpg
>Why dont you just go to Epson and Opti's website and download the damn drivers, you fool.
Because YOU MOTHERFUCKING DUMB ASS, I DID LAST WEEK.
****** THE LATEST VERSION OF DRIVERS ARE THE ONES THAT DON'T WORK YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. CAN YOU NOT READ? ******
ARE YOU A FUCKING MORON OR WILL I HAVE TO SHOUT AT YOU FOREVER TO TEACH YOU?
NOW FUCK OFF, BASTARD SHITHEAD.
Now for the shouting filter:
You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass. You are a dumbass.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Those who did not fight today are enslaved tomorrow.
How about Compaq Laptops? I have a 400Mhz laptop, it even has a Made for Windows 98 label on it. Win 98 on a fresh install doesnt see the video card or sound or the winmodem.
Btw under Linux all work, even the fscking winmodem.
America is built on the strength of its corporations. The question is, what are corporations built on? The answer is operating systems. Ordinary operating systems. Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, Windows 2000 and Windows ME. Operating systems like yours. Operating systems like mine.
As I speak, there is a new and ominous danger facing our corporations. It is a danger facing every CEO, CTO and CIO. And only a handful of Americans even know it's out there.
It hides inside the computer of your co-worker, your bowling buddy, even your trusted family physician. It's sitting on your PTA board. It's waiting in the hallways of your neighborhood parish. It may even be watching your children as they sleep.
What menace am I speaking of? The greatest scourge of the twenty-first century. My friends, I'm talking about mutants.
The versions of Windows we all use have been replaced, with tragic consequences. There is a growing number of operating systems out there that are impure at their most basic level. They are not, technically speaking, Windows.
The threat that these operating systems pose to our way of doing business cannot be underestimated. It touches every facet of our daily jobs. And unless we take a stand now, our corporations will face an uncertain future where the rules of the game are not dictated by us. A world where no computer runs Windows: not your server, not your workstation, not even the proprietary architecture of your own laptop.
So who will save us? The listless bureaucracy that we call our government is asleep at the wheel. By failing to defend our "right to innovate", the President has neglected the first business of government -- protecting the rights and liberties of American corporations. Thus, we must take matters into our own hands.
That's why we've created the mutation advertisement: to inform our customers about the true nature of this mutant menace, and to give us a weapon in our battle for the preservation of our innovation rights. Only browse our web site to avoid propaganda for mutant operating systems. Use any and all resources at your disposal to disparage, discredit and belittle suspected mutant operating systems wherever you may hear of them.
Require the use of our operating systems now. Tomorrow, it will be too late.
--- Stolen from MutantWatch and mangled.
There's also Win32s, the failed first attempt to trick, er, decieve, er, convince people to make Windows NT applications that ran under Win 3.1/3.11
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Because I've been seeing it for years and it's not been THAT much of a problem- and certainly less than the problems of the differing versions of Windows present to a developer or user.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Thats means that Linux now is a "issue" for M$.
See it as a reward.
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Try getting even NT 4 drivers to work in windows 2000. In my experience, it's about 50/50 whether it will work or not. And icons with question marks or exclaimation points never look good in the device manager.
I had 95 running fairly well for three years, until I started having problems with my hard disk which scandisk couldn't fix (I think there might be some physical damage to the thing...dunno, don't use it anymore) Things WORKED before, but I didn't realize I was actually having some sort of problem until I reinstalled and got about 3 or 4 extra FPS in Half-Life (on my P200) ;P
Microsoft's "Mutator" advertisement shoots themselves in the foot. The concept wasn't too bad: If Microsoft's ad agency's point was that Linux "mutates", well, that's a claim; and one would expect the ad agency to come up with a compelling graphic. BUT the agency screwed up! They didn't have enough deep study of biology to get the mutate part: THEY'RE ALL PENGUINS, Dumbass! They have some minor and bizarre stuff added on, but damn, that's still a penguin. The guts, in fact, literally and figuratively; and believe me, we're getting pretty far out there metaphorically with this stuff. The ad agency, either by accident or by design, makes the point for Linux, with a graphic that goes way over the heads of Microsofties who approved it. It truly is an ad for Linux, showing quite properly, I believe (I'm no expert, i.e. not a programmer) the essence of the relationship between a kernel and an interface; scratch that, between (and this goes out on a limb, and hopefully engenders some discussion) between a kernel and it's interfaces -- different stuff that workers produce for different situations.) One could go on and on about the representational nature of the penguin with the frog head and the antlers, for example, but who cares? I'm sure it symbolizes an application that's good for something; and it won't crash.
Education is learning from other people's mistakes, Experience is learning from yer own.
It's been my experience that Windows mutates just by itself. I never know what to expect each time I start it up or shut it down. I figure it has a half-life of about 6 months. Then, due to bit decay, it's time to reinstall it.
my charmander is evolving into a penguin with an elephant's trunk!!!
Aye, in this habitat of OS's, Linus is a force of nature-of sorts.
The really interesting thing is what would happen if Microsoft went under (or got broken up). When you licence everything you have from one company, you get pretty screwed if they vapourize. So Microsoft has claimed that they will be around forever... uh huh. It's possible, I suppose, but are you really going to base your buisness strategy on Microsoft's existance?
What the ad forgets is that an operating system that is open cannot die and will remain compatable for users. When Microsoft went to 95 from 3.11, I remember a lot of app vendors getting pissed because all of their stuff either had Windows induced problems or flat out stopped working. I pissed off an instructor because I used DOS to copy files from one place to another (it took him 5 minutes to find-folders/click/drag/drop whereas I spent 10 seconds using the copy command).
Yeah, lets make everything we have all based on one vision, one strategy, one fuhe... uhh.. no thanks. I prefer diversity in my systems.
Verbatim
Price, Quality, Time. Pick none. What, you thought you had a choice?
Did you see the piss-poor poor quality of the morphs?
I'd be embarrassed to be associated with the amateur, chicken-sh*t outfit that cobbled that ad together...
Ouch... My ribs hurt.
M$ had the right idea when they were just ignoring Linux. Because it looks like they're about to pull another campain as successful as Bob!
MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
Remember that lameass movie Tremors 2. I think Microsoft is hearing the speaker for the trailers..
:)
"Evolution - It's a bitch."
Linux evolves faster and better than closed source companies can engineer. Think they are feeling the tremors of change as all those penguin feet shake the ground?
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
Man, I saw the headline "Microsoft's First Ad Targeting Linux" and I almost had a heart attack! I sat there trying to think of what product Microsoft might have ported to Linux. Man, I was scared