Anyone who has designed a site and its database in such a way that generating a page requires 16 queries should not taken seriously when conducting a database performance test. Still, it does seem to suggest that MySQL does not perform too great (which doesn't come as a surprise to me really.. All I'm saying is that a site with a page that requires 16 queries is *VERY BADLY DESIGNED* and will not scale very well at all!
Could this be Intel flexing it's influential muscles, or is Transmeta not being competitive enough price-wise?
Could it be that well established companies don't want to take a risk and use a new product from a company nobody knows anything about? Could it be that without Linus Torvalds, nobody would even bother to look at Transmeta? Could it be that the power savings from the CPU are hardly noticable in the large scheme of things when you have LCD backlights and hard drives to power?
Napster doesn't allow me to change the page that is loaded either. That truly sucks. I feel so violated. *yawn*
Come on people!! It's a service.. You buy a package: news, chat, email, web, the AOL community. When you start up the client for the package (which is technically a web browser), it will show you what is currently going on.. the news, your friends who are logged on, your new email etc. It's a service! Most AOL users will see it as a positive thing. Hell, they probably don't even realize it's a "homepage" - they just see it as a screen that is shown after the AOL client starts up.
If you don't want these services shoved down your throat, use another "ISP" (I don't personally think AOL *IS* an ISP but rather some kind of new type of digital services company). I have "about:blank" as my homepage and I prefer not to have to use any one particular web browser. People are different - that's why there are more than just one ISP and they all have clients.
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If you really do not care about the issue so much then why do you bother to argue or paticipate in an argument?
Because you are off topic. I wanted to read about a space probe - not an operating system review where you say nothing that hasn't been said 1000 times before. "M$ sucks"
I'm not saying Windows (the 9x-series in particular) is a great OS - it's not. It's however nowhere near as bad as people seem to think here on Slashdot. For instance, like I said, I run Win98SE at home by choice. I have several Linux distros in my bookshelf, OS2/Warp4 and I could install Win2K if I wanted to. I've thought about Corel Linux.. But I'm still running Win98SE.. Why? Because it runs every single app I need and crashing is not a problem. I honestly can't rememeber when the OS would have crashed for me.. It's not a big deal for me and certainly not for the millions of "less than power users" out there.. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying "expect less! lower the quality". Once we get apps such as Photoshop, Premiere and IE for Linux, I'll be more than happy to switch!
Any product which fails after 49 days is rubbish. How can an Operating System be User-friendly which dies after 49 days?
Because 99.99999% of it's users shut it down each night when they go to bed? Nobody CARES if the OS stays up for more than 49 days or not. We run Linux on most servers at work, NT on the workstations and I run Win98SE at home. Crashing is not a problem on ANY of these OS's. I can't understand how people have the energy to talk about it over and over and over and OVER again. I'm *MUCH* more interested in what kind of applications are avaiable and what I can do with those (or our clients). User friendliness has NOTHING to do with if the OS stays up for 49 days or not - for a server sure, but not for a client OS.
And it has absolutely nothing at all to do with a space probe.
Would you buy a car which was doomed to crash after 49 days, so long as the manufacture provided a patch for it?
If the car ran for 49 CONSECUTIVE DAYS without turning off the engine, I wouldn't care if it would crash after that. I - myself - only run for about 48 hours straight and after that I can shut off my computer. In any case, you're comparing apples to oranges.
First of all, why does Microsoft have to be mentioned in *EVERY SINGLE* story no matter how little the story has to do with Microsoft? Second, the site you linked to has a PATCH for the problem. There are problems with all software - the point is if they are fixed or not. This one has been fixed years ago so what's your problem? You don't think there has been problems in other OS's and software? You're just making you and the open source community look dumb with comments like that!
The 49.7 day bug was not in NT - it was in Windows 95. We have several NT boxes at work that have not been rebooted for months and months. I still like Linux servers better but for a workstation, I still prefer NT and there sure as hell is no 49.7 day bug in NT.
I'm curious.. everyone here is very negative about software patents and indeed it seems to me that they are a very dumb idea. Yet.. If I recall right, the EU just voted (or will vote) to allow software patents. What are the arguments for the other side of this? I mean, if everyone is so negative about it, every country would just simply ban software patents - yet the situation is the opposite. Why? What are the arguments FOR software patents?
Well duh! Out of 250-something classes in MFC, I would estimate some 200 are UI related - directly or indirectly (for instance OLE related classes etc.) MFC isn't perfect and it's not as well designed as say Java's Swing, but it's still a pretty good class library that simplifies Windows coding a great deal.
Auto path completion already works and has worked for ages in NT. You just have to turn it on, which you do from the registry. software-microsoft-command line-completion char if i recall right. Yes, cumbersome.. but it works just fine.
Wow.. Glad to see feedback actually helps. I've seen more of that lately really and it makes me happy.
Mozilla dropped the old renderer in favor of Raport (later NGLayout, later Gecko) and XPFE. Then they dropped Modern in favor of "Modern/2".. Then they made Classic the default skin.. All of these were based on public feedback and discussions.
I remember reading somewhere that Microsoft have had book authors come in and spend time with "next generation" versions of MS Word to give feedback about new features. That's absolutely excellent - I wish more companies would do stuff like that - and why not open source projects too.
Does anyone know what the official (and unofficial) plan is for the command prompt? I've heard that in Windows ME just about none of the normal apps (format, sys, scandisk etc.) work but is it (the commandline) going away? Does Microsoft want it to go away or do they officially consider it an effective tool (which it is for developers, system admins etc.) and keep it?
If you want to make fun of someone, at least stick with the facts. Gore never said "I invented the Internet". What he said as: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.". Of course he didn't invent the Internet and nobody (I hope) is so stupid that they believe that Gore actually thinks he did. What he was talking about was how he, in 1990, before 99% of Slashdot readers even knew about the Internet, introduced bills that would bring "the information superhighway" to ordinary people, schools and businesses.
It's sad that instead of giving the guy some credit, you have to mock him over and over again because of a little exaggeration that happened years ago.
Articles like this pop up every now and then and it amazes me every time! Sometimes I think we assume too much that we have the perfect user interface models now with command line, window based GUI's, desktop analogies and computing is divided into applications with running application instances as processes - often residing in their own windows. I'd like to see some work and ideas on radically different types of user interfaces and views on what an "application" is.
In the real world, work is typically divided into tasks. People have a hard time concentrating on more than one task at a time, which is why a task division is logical. Computers however, do not work like this, so a task division and a division into applications is not at all as clear. I like the Java idea a lot where the whole collection of objects running / "living" in the virtual machine is essentially one big application.
Recently, web based user interfaces are everywhere. This is a pretty interesting analogy because it's based on documents - almost reports. "Here is the current situation. What do you want to do? Ok.. here's the situation after you did that."
The way I see user interfaces in, say, 3-5 years, is that we have large systems of objects, be it Java, COM/DCOM, Corba or whatever, collaborating between relatively small and simple devices. There could be some in a VCR, some in a TV, some in a game console, some in a web pad, some in a cellular phone etc.. Then you have user interface consoles; cell phones and web pads for instance, that you use to access the data in the network / system of objects. The user interfaces will be relatively simple - much like that of a TV.. On, off, volume, select channels.
To perform more complex tasks, you might use some kind of agent system, assigning tasks to autonomous agents that carry out the tasks on their own and report back to you. Artificial intelligence is an area that has been largely forgotten lately. People make fun (perhaps rightly so) of the Microsoft Office actors (the paperclip), but the fact is that this is a very clever system and can help making systems much easier to use in the future.
Whatever happens, it seems pretty bizarre to claim that computers are getting too EASY to use. Please! We are nowhere near that point yet! The user interfaces we have now are very primitive and un-user-friendly.
Java is *100%* backwards compatible with older versions. New Java versions introduce HUGE amounts of new stuff - 1.2 did so in particular, but never has backwards compatibility been broken. Sure large API changes have been made in some areas, but the old API's still exist and are only marked as deprecated - not removed.
Yes and no.. The device can be broken down to a number of smaller components.. a battery and transmitter built into a belt or wrist watch talking to the user interface (with blue tooth for instance), which is the size of a credit card and can be tucked away in a shirt pocket. The user interface only has a tiny battery - enough to send and receive the radio singals to the actual "phone" unit.
I mean, this is just one idea.. there are many ways to do it of course. To TALK, you only need a microphone and speaker, which can be very small. To dial, you need a little more, of course.
I have a feeling that many people are like me, in that they don't always want to be found.. I don't want my work calling me at 10pm, after i've worked 10 hours, and am out on a relaxing walk with my girlfriend..
This used to be my argument for not owning a cell phone. Well, now that I've had one for a few years, I know that it can be turned off or set to silent mode - and I do this. If I don't want to be reached, I won't be reached.
Technology should enable you to do things. If it forces you to a faster, less managable pace of life, then it's not working for you but against you. You said you got a call at 2am in the middle of the forest while camping.. Then you said "I don't want that.". Well, leave the phone at home, or turn it off. Hell, with any decent phone, you can set profiles to only let through certain numbers so that you can be reached by your friends but not by work if you want.
As long as there are new features to add, there are new customers. We are still in the very early stages of development of a "portable information device". PDA's, cellular phones, cameras, GPS's, computers, TV's etc. will all converge into one system (not necessarily one physical device).
When there is a device that allows you to talk to your friend, wirelessly, and see your friend in clear, sharp color picture, who will want an old crappy GSM phone anymore? When the phone transfers 10Mbps data and is online 24/7, who is going to use modems, ADSL or cable modems or even ethernet anymore? When the phone is small enough to embed into a shirt button, who will carry around the now-considered-small zippo sized phones? The only obstacle is price, and that too is dropping fast. I happily use my GSM phone to connect my Palm Pilot to the net to read and write email, check news, weather, sport scores and stock prices.
There is also a long way to go for software and services - ideas.. What if the phone knew where you are so it could tell you that, around the corner, your friend is sitting in a cafe? What if the phone could tell you that there is traffic ahead so you should get of the freeway or you will be stuck in the jam for 45 minutes? What if you could do your banking using the phone and order tickets? What if the phone had a Java virtual machine and a TCP/IP stack? All this already exists but isn't well integrated or conveniently usable yet (too expensive, too bulky, too slow etc.).
Quite soon we see that "phone" is not relevant anymore. We're talking about a whole new generation of information devices. You don't have to be Einstein to see that this is what - at least Nokia - i shooting for. Just look at their 3G pages, "media screens" etc.. Sun is talking about information appliances, Nokia has cooperation with Palm and Psion..
With low-power processors like the Crusoe, small computers like PDA's and phones will be used for *much* more in the not-so-distant future.. To say that "we're running out of features" is absurd.
What would rule is if they came up with a standard sized li-ion battery.. For instance EXACTLY the same size as AAA batteries. That way you could use them in existing Palm's, use AAA's in devices that come with li-ions in case of emergencies.. etc.. If it's too big, maybe it's time for a smaller "normal" battery size? Keeping li-ions and normal batteries the same size has a lot of benefits for the end users tho.
Now there seems there's no real standard on li-ion (and other types of re-chargable) batteries. There are some NiCd batteries (AA, AAA etc. sized) but NiCd totally sucks.. They drain fast, leak.. No good..
It looks cool but why-oh-why do they have to put li-ion batteries in them instead of AAA?? I chose the IIIx model over Vx because I wanted replacable batteries.
I travel a lot and I've often had a device run out of batteries in a place where I didn't have a chance to recharge the device for several hours or days, leaving me in trouble. With normal batteries, you can just put in another set and keep going. Of course it's not good for stuff like digital video cameras that would suck a set of 4 AA's empty in 2 minutes, but for Palm's, normal batteries rule. I get 5-6 weeks on a set of 2 AAA's in my IIIx, and I use IR a lot to connect to the net through my cellphone.
On top of that, li-ion batteries will die completely after a few years (2-3 maybe) after which your device is totally useless.
Huh? Did you reply to the wrong post? I didn't say anything bad about Mozilla and I have indeed tried nightly builds - just downloaded one yesterday. This is what I was talking about. The new skin - Modern 2 - looks great. Modern 1 that is now known as "blue" sucked big time tho. I'm talking SKINS - not the browser on a whole.
The browser on a whole is getting better every day and especially with Classic and Modern 2, it's very promising indeed.
What I feel is much bigger news regarding Mozilla is the totally re-done Modern skin (the default one). This was quite possibly the worst problem with Mozilla because it made most people puke the first time they saw the app, which made for a pretty bad initial impression..
The new skin is much, much, MUCH, *MUCH* cooler. Check it out at: http://www.mozillazine.org/jason/newmodern.gif
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Anyone who has designed a site and its database in such a way that generating a page requires 16 queries should not taken seriously when conducting a database performance test. Still, it does seem to suggest that MySQL does not perform too great (which doesn't come as a surprise to me really.. All I'm saying is that a site with a page that requires 16 queries is *VERY BADLY DESIGNED* and will not scale very well at all!
Could it be that well established companies don't want to take a risk and use a new product from a company nobody knows anything about? Could it be that without Linus Torvalds, nobody would even bother to look at Transmeta? Could it be that the power savings from the CPU are hardly noticable in the large scheme of things when you have LCD backlights and hard drives to power?
Napster doesn't allow me to change the page that is loaded either. That truly sucks. I feel so violated. *yawn*
Come on people!! It's a service.. You buy a package: news, chat, email, web, the AOL community. When you start up the client for the package (which is technically a web browser), it will show you what is currently going on.. the news, your friends who are logged on, your new email etc. It's a service! Most AOL users will see it as a positive thing. Hell, they probably don't even realize it's a "homepage" - they just see it as a screen that is shown after the AOL client starts up.
If you don't want these services shoved down your throat, use another "ISP" (I don't personally think AOL *IS* an ISP but rather some kind of new type of digital services company). I have "about:blank" as my homepage and I prefer not to have to use any one particular web browser. People are different - that's why there are more than just one ISP and they all have clients.
Mir means peace.
Because you are off topic. I wanted to read about a space probe - not an operating system review where you say nothing that hasn't been said 1000 times before. "M$ sucks"
I'm not saying Windows (the 9x-series in particular) is a great OS - it's not. It's however nowhere near as bad as people seem to think here on Slashdot. For instance, like I said, I run Win98SE at home by choice. I have several Linux distros in my bookshelf, OS2/Warp4 and I could install Win2K if I wanted to. I've thought about Corel Linux.. But I'm still running Win98SE.. Why? Because it runs every single app I need and crashing is not a problem. I honestly can't rememeber when the OS would have crashed for me.. It's not a big deal for me and certainly not for the millions of "less than power users" out there.. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying "expect less! lower the quality". Once we get apps such as Photoshop, Premiere and IE for Linux, I'll be more than happy to switch!
Because 99.99999% of it's users shut it down each night when they go to bed? Nobody CARES if the OS stays up for more than 49 days or not. We run Linux on most servers at work, NT on the workstations and I run Win98SE at home. Crashing is not a problem on ANY of these OS's. I can't understand how people have the energy to talk about it over and over and over and OVER again. I'm *MUCH* more interested in what kind of applications are avaiable and what I can do with those (or our clients). User friendliness has NOTHING to do with if the OS stays up for 49 days or not - for a server sure, but not for a client OS.
And it has absolutely nothing at all to do with a space probe.
Would you buy a car which was doomed to crash after 49 days, so long as the manufacture provided a patch for it?
If the car ran for 49 CONSECUTIVE DAYS without turning off the engine, I wouldn't care if it would crash after that. I - myself - only run for about 48 hours straight and after that I can shut off my computer. In any case, you're comparing apples to oranges.
First of all, why does Microsoft have to be mentioned in *EVERY SINGLE* story no matter how little the story has to do with Microsoft? Second, the site you linked to has a PATCH for the problem. There are problems with all software - the point is if they are fixed or not. This one has been fixed years ago so what's your problem? You don't think there has been problems in other OS's and software? You're just making you and the open source community look dumb with comments like that!
The 49.7 day bug was not in NT - it was in Windows 95. We have several NT boxes at work that have not been rebooted for months and months. I still like Linux servers better but for a workstation, I still prefer NT and there sure as hell is no 49.7 day bug in NT.
I'm just curious.. What other countries have you visited?
I'm curious.. everyone here is very negative about software patents and indeed it seems to me that they are a very dumb idea. Yet.. If I recall right, the EU just voted (or will vote) to allow software patents. What are the arguments for the other side of this? I mean, if everyone is so negative about it, every country would just simply ban software patents - yet the situation is the opposite. Why? What are the arguments FOR software patents?
Well duh! Out of 250-something classes in MFC, I would estimate some 200 are UI related - directly or indirectly (for instance OLE related classes etc.) MFC isn't perfect and it's not as well designed as say Java's Swing, but it's still a pretty good class library that simplifies Windows coding a great deal.
Auto path completion already works and has worked for ages in NT. You just have to turn it on, which you do from the registry. software-microsoft-command line-completion char if i recall right. Yes, cumbersome.. but it works just fine.
Wow.. Glad to see feedback actually helps. I've seen more of that lately really and it makes me happy.
Mozilla dropped the old renderer in favor of Raport (later NGLayout, later Gecko) and XPFE. Then they dropped Modern in favor of "Modern/2".. Then they made Classic the default skin.. All of these were based on public feedback and discussions.
I remember reading somewhere that Microsoft have had book authors come in and spend time with "next generation" versions of MS Word to give feedback about new features. That's absolutely excellent - I wish more companies would do stuff like that - and why not open source projects too.
Maybe there's some hope after all.
Does anyone know what the official (and unofficial) plan is for the command prompt? I've heard that in Windows ME just about none of the normal apps (format, sys, scandisk etc.) work but is it (the commandline) going away? Does Microsoft want it to go away or do they officially consider it an effective tool (which it is for developers, system admins etc.) and keep it?
If you want to make fun of someone, at least stick with the facts. Gore never said "I invented the Internet". What he said as: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.". Of course he didn't invent the Internet and nobody (I hope) is so stupid that they believe that Gore actually thinks he did. What he was talking about was how he, in 1990, before 99% of Slashdot readers even knew about the Internet, introduced bills that would bring "the information superhighway" to ordinary people, schools and businesses.
It's sad that instead of giving the guy some credit, you have to mock him over and over again because of a little exaggeration that happened years ago.
Articles like this pop up every now and then and it amazes me every time! Sometimes I think we assume too much that we have the perfect user interface models now with command line, window based GUI's, desktop analogies and computing is divided into applications with running application instances as processes - often residing in their own windows. I'd like to see some work and ideas on radically different types of user interfaces and views on what an "application" is.
In the real world, work is typically divided into tasks. People have a hard time concentrating on more than one task at a time, which is why a task division is logical. Computers however, do not work like this, so a task division and a division into applications is not at all as clear. I like the Java idea a lot where the whole collection of objects running / "living" in the virtual machine is essentially one big application.
Recently, web based user interfaces are everywhere. This is a pretty interesting analogy because it's based on documents - almost reports. "Here is the current situation. What do you want to do? Ok.. here's the situation after you did that."
The way I see user interfaces in, say, 3-5 years, is that we have large systems of objects, be it Java, COM/DCOM, Corba or whatever, collaborating between relatively small and simple devices. There could be some in a VCR, some in a TV, some in a game console, some in a web pad, some in a cellular phone etc.. Then you have user interface consoles; cell phones and web pads for instance, that you use to access the data in the network / system of objects. The user interfaces will be relatively simple - much like that of a TV.. On, off, volume, select channels.
To perform more complex tasks, you might use some kind of agent system, assigning tasks to autonomous agents that carry out the tasks on their own and report back to you. Artificial intelligence is an area that has been largely forgotten lately. People make fun (perhaps rightly so) of the Microsoft Office actors (the paperclip), but the fact is that this is a very clever system and can help making systems much easier to use in the future.
Whatever happens, it seems pretty bizarre to claim that computers are getting too EASY to use. Please! We are nowhere near that point yet! The user interfaces we have now are very primitive and un-user-friendly.
We definitely need an icon for Nokia!
Java is *100%* backwards compatible with older versions. New Java versions introduce HUGE amounts of new stuff - 1.2 did so in particular, but never has backwards compatibility been broken. Sure large API changes have been made in some areas, but the old API's still exist and are only marked as deprecated - not removed.
Yes and no.. The device can be broken down to a number of smaller components.. a battery and transmitter built into a belt or wrist watch talking to the user interface (with blue tooth for instance), which is the size of a credit card and can be tucked away in a shirt pocket. The user interface only has a tiny battery - enough to send and receive the radio singals to the actual "phone" unit.
I mean, this is just one idea.. there are many ways to do it of course. To TALK, you only need a microphone and speaker, which can be very small. To dial, you need a little more, of course.
This used to be my argument for not owning a cell phone. Well, now that I've had one for a few years, I know that it can be turned off or set to silent mode - and I do this. If I don't want to be reached, I won't be reached.
Technology should enable you to do things. If it forces you to a faster, less managable pace of life, then it's not working for you but against you. You said you got a call at 2am in the middle of the forest while camping.. Then you said "I don't want that.". Well, leave the phone at home, or turn it off. Hell, with any decent phone, you can set profiles to only let through certain numbers so that you can be reached by your friends but not by work if you want.
As long as there are new features to add, there are new customers. We are still in the very early stages of development of a "portable information device". PDA's, cellular phones, cameras, GPS's, computers, TV's etc. will all converge into one system (not necessarily one physical device).
When there is a device that allows you to talk to your friend, wirelessly, and see your friend in clear, sharp color picture, who will want an old crappy GSM phone anymore? When the phone transfers 10Mbps data and is online 24/7, who is going to use modems, ADSL or cable modems or even ethernet anymore? When the phone is small enough to embed into a shirt button, who will carry around the now-considered-small zippo sized phones? The only obstacle is price, and that too is dropping fast. I happily use my GSM phone to connect my Palm Pilot to the net to read and write email, check news, weather, sport scores and stock prices.
There is also a long way to go for software and services - ideas.. What if the phone knew where you are so it could tell you that, around the corner, your friend is sitting in a cafe? What if the phone could tell you that there is traffic ahead so you should get of the freeway or you will be stuck in the jam for 45 minutes? What if you could do your banking using the phone and order tickets? What if the phone had a Java virtual machine and a TCP/IP stack? All this already exists but isn't well integrated or conveniently usable yet (too expensive, too bulky, too slow etc.).
Quite soon we see that "phone" is not relevant anymore. We're talking about a whole new generation of information devices. You don't have to be Einstein to see that this is what - at least Nokia - i shooting for. Just look at their 3G pages, "media screens" etc.. Sun is talking about information appliances, Nokia has cooperation with Palm and Psion..
With low-power processors like the Crusoe, small computers like PDA's and phones will be used for *much* more in the not-so-distant future.. To say that "we're running out of features" is absurd.
What would rule is if they came up with a standard sized li-ion battery.. For instance EXACTLY the same size as AAA batteries. That way you could use them in existing Palm's, use AAA's in devices that come with li-ions in case of emergencies.. etc.. If it's too big, maybe it's time for a smaller "normal" battery size? Keeping li-ions and normal batteries the same size has a lot of benefits for the end users tho.
Now there seems there's no real standard on li-ion (and other types of re-chargable) batteries. There are some NiCd batteries (AA, AAA etc. sized) but NiCd totally sucks.. They drain fast, leak.. No good..
It looks cool but why-oh-why do they have to put li-ion batteries in them instead of AAA?? I chose the IIIx model over Vx because I wanted replacable batteries.
I travel a lot and I've often had a device run out of batteries in a place where I didn't have a chance to recharge the device for several hours or days, leaving me in trouble. With normal batteries, you can just put in another set and keep going. Of course it's not good for stuff like digital video cameras that would suck a set of 4 AA's empty in 2 minutes, but for Palm's, normal batteries rule. I get 5-6 weeks on a set of 2 AAA's in my IIIx, and I use IR a lot to connect to the net through my cellphone.
On top of that, li-ion batteries will die completely after a few years (2-3 maybe) after which your device is totally useless.
Huh? Did you reply to the wrong post? I didn't say anything bad about Mozilla and I have indeed tried nightly builds - just downloaded one yesterday. This is what I was talking about. The new skin - Modern 2 - looks great. Modern 1 that is now known as "blue" sucked big time tho. I'm talking SKINS - not the browser on a whole.
The browser on a whole is getting better every day and especially with Classic and Modern 2, it's very promising indeed.
What I feel is much bigger news regarding Mozilla is the totally re-done Modern skin (the default one). This was quite possibly the worst problem with Mozilla because it made most people puke the first time they saw the app, which made for a pretty bad initial impression..
The new skin is much, much, MUCH, *MUCH* cooler. Check it out at: http://www.mozillazine.org/jason/newmodern.gif