Don't try that standing on a streetcorner and talking bit here in Lincoln, Nebraska. You will be arrested. I would suspect that this is true of many U.S. cities.
But as it is, they have effectively done NOTHING whatsoever to the company in question. Why should Sigma give a crap if they stop developing it? I'm sure they are very capable of carrying on the work themselves.
XVID might as well just give them permission to steal the product, for all the good this gesture is doing.
You can't know what you can or can't do unless you actually try to do something. If XVID simply stops developing and never even bothers to actually stand up for themselves, then they are cowards, plain and simple.
I'm not going to listen to this crap about them being helpless. They can file a lawsuit, just like anyone else, and they can let it be settled in a court. As it is, they're just bending over.
I believe that's why he specified that it was a long distance phone call - so that some of the carriers of his conversation would have no control over what he does or whether he is connected to the network. It makes his analogy pretty solid.
Uh, unicron, you were doing ok for a while, but you're just being intentionally stupid now. A guy even responded to you with evidence; his father worked for a casino - I note that you could not be bothered to respond to him.
You do not get to violate people's rights just because it is your property. Unfortunately for the casino owners, you also can not decide that counting cards == cheating and act based on that. If someone is cheating, for real, you can have them arrested and then, yes, take your money back. But, in the twisted fantasy world in which you live, if I owned a casino, I could make up any arbitrary rule I wanted for removing people's winnings, such as - it is illegal to win money in my casino. I will throw out and confiscate the money of any known winner. How would that be, tough guy?
Why don't you actually do some reading and/or research. Casinos CAN NOT LEGALLY arbitrarily remove people's winnings. If something is against the law, it is against the law even if you do it to someone on your own property.
Also, incidentally, no, you are not subject to "punishments" of a private establishment if you violate their rules. They can throw you out, or if you've violated AN ACTUAL LAW, they can arrest you. No private citizen can punish another private citizen against his will legally. You complete idiot.
I don't know where you've been hanging out, but even the teams in the article didn't have their money confiscated. They were simply kicked out. Every news story I've ever seen on the subject has ended with someone being kicked out (no cash confiscation). It would be illegal for the casino to take back the money - what makes you think that the fact that it's their property gives them the right to simply determine who wins or loses? It doesn't work that way.
They reserve the right to throw you out, but you really can't expect me to believe that they can just nab someone's winnings for counting cards (NOT to be confused with cheating, once again).
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Yes, but the only reason they need a team is to keep the casino from figuring out that they're counting cards. Any one of their spotters could do it on their own (that Kevin Lewis guy goes and does just this at the end of the article), except that the casinos are wise to those tactics. The teamwork is to throw off the eyes of the casino so that they can use their skill to win at the game. It's not cheating at all! It's like a game within a game.
It's the Western Hemisphere, as my anonymous friend pointed out, and it's the "dancinest" hemisphere instead of most happenin'. Just thought you'd like to know.
All of SAP's software always looks unfinished, because they change everything about it every five minutes.:p
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You miss the point, of course, that the people for whom it is so simple would never waste their time doing what you've just suggested. It presents no challenge.
To a young programmer such as myself, that does not sound so simple. I think it would take me a while. I'm pretty sure that half of the posters on Slashdot who brag about what amazing programmers they are are all talk. (No, I'm not talking about you... I don't jump to conclusions like that.)
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Read their page - it doesn't work that way. You have to download a specially modified version of Nester (which fortunately happens to be a very good NES emulator) that connects to their site and downloads a ROM into the program's memory. No files touch your hard disk.
Someone would have to waste a lot of time writing a crack, but I guess someone probably will do just that, if only for the challenge.
Yeesh. They better save up and buy a really expensive server, if they're going to distribute CD images over the 'net. Seriously though, I doubt that's ever going to be a possibility.
Alone, this sort of bill is useless, but sooner or later, they will get their federal mandate requiring hardware to contain DRM technology. Are you happy never buying another electronic product, ever again?
That is because the whole strategy of DRM is to pass SEVERAL pieces of legislation. If they put all of the undesirable features in one, they might actually arouse the anger of Joe Average, and their dream of a country where only cartel-related "artists" can produce content will fall flat on its face. As it is, they'll be done before most people even notice.
FYI: the life sentence was only if you hack a computer system, and the fact that you did this causes someone to die. It just got blown out of proportion by the usual alarmists here.
If the government starts granting the powers of enforcement to other bodies, then what the fuck good are they? Am I paying taxes to these people so that they can assign all of their work to some corporation in California? Does anyone else see this as one step away from anarchy?
What's next - are they going to assign legislative powers to Microsoft, since making laws is too hard? Oh, poor fucking RIAA. Forced to live under the same laws as everyone else.
Seriously, if our government is not enforcing the law, and legislation can basically be written by someone else and just passed up to the Congressman they bought this year, then what, exactly, IS OUR GOVERNMENT DOING? Probably browsing pr0n all day, because they sure as hell are not RUNNING THE NATION.
Your statement is stupid. There is no all-encompassing unity among the posters of Slashdot on any issue. Many of the people you attack are, in fact, involved in system administration or security in some way or another, and certainly do not believe that it is A-OK to crack or DOS systems. Your stereotypes are useless.
As for this bill itself, I personally do not believe that it is "OK" for the government to dole out powers to enforce the law to anyone who feels threatened. This is not the way our society is meant to work. I certainly don't want to see this or any other examples of vigilantism around my town or country.
Explain yourself, fool. Why exactly does Sony have the "right" to dictate the way in which their product should be used? Please, oh great philosopher, point out to all of us exactly who or what has empowered companies (or anyone, for that matter) to do this- hint: it is not there. If I buy a screwdriver and clean out my ears with it, are you going to arrest me?
Hey, you know what? Sony can piss off. What is this crap with you people thinking that I should give one flying fucking shit what they think about it? They have my money, now they can go to hell. And you can go with them.
Sorry, buddy, there's no law that supports region encoding. You should modify the "Wrong:" part of your post in future postings. Sony, or any manufacturer, has no right, legally, morally, or whateverally to tell you what you can or can not do with your console. In case you hadn't noticed, software piracy is ALREADY illegal, so it makes the idea that Sony should be able to dictate to people kind of redundant.
Seriously. Look it up. There is NO LAW WHATSOEVER against importing. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Sorry.
Why should legitimate users of the technology be banned from using it simply because other people are using it incorrectly? Perhaps if Sony wants people to stop pirating things, they should work with the government to enforce the law (it is illegal to pirate software) against the perpetrators.
The industry has a completely moronic idea of what enforcement means. They want to round up a few ( The entertainment companies only look for the big fish. They nail some guy with 200 GB of MP3's on a p2p network, and throw the book at him. Your average file-swapper has a ridiculously small fraction of that amount of material; they know that they are relatively safe from enforcement; only the BIGGEST offenders ever get caught.
Then, you have overly aggressive sentencing - the average file-swapper could never imagine being sent to prison for multiple years for doing something so seemingly harmless! The thought never even occurs to them!
What the industry should be pushing for is a system that enforces minimal sentences against a vast range of people. Copying a game and handing it to your buddy is a miniscule crime, with very, very tiny financial ramifications. The sentence, as such, should be a slap on the wrist. I would suggest a ticket and a small fine. ($50-$100). If everyone caught trading illegal copies of video games online was ticketed, every time, the amount of piracy occurring would drop sharply! Imagine some 13 year old kid getting nailed with a fine! His parents would kick his ass!
I don't have all of the details worked out, but needless to say, it is not at all difficult to find thousands of people trading illegal software/music/whatever online at any time of the day, and people smarter than I have already devised clever ways of obtaining their IP address. From there, it shouldn't be all that difficult to find someone, and levy a small fine. Many, many people would never trade software again.
And of course, the greatest benefit of all will be that you idiots will stop trying to imply that a TOOL needs to be outlawed because someone else did something illegal with it. I don't give a rat's ass about what some other guy did. That's not my job. If you don't like what they're doing, tell them about it.
They did, at least, according to some story or another on Acts of Gord, a website written by a former video game store owner. I have had no chance to independently verify his information, but I trust him. Supposedly, there was a chip which would ONLY allow imports; not backups. Such a mod also definitely existed for the Sega Saturn, since defeating the region encoding required a separate device; defeating copy protection was much harder.
For the PS2, as it turned out, defeating the region encoding is FAR more difficult than defeating the copy protection. Only recently have there been any chips at all that allow the correct playing of import games (Origa, Messiah). My PS2 chip will only play a BACKUP of and IMPORT. How messed up is that? And it absolutely would not play my imported copy of Psyvariar CE, original or CDR. I had to sell it to someone else.
You would be surprised at how many of us there are that only want to play imports, and aren't interested in stealing. In my opinion, the fact that there are ANY of us far outweighs any illegitimate usage of these devices.
Wherever did you get that idea? If you had said "the LEGAL right", you still would have been wrong, but at least you would be closer. As for "morals", I fear you know very little about the subject, and you should consequently do some deep, personal thinking about it before you jump to such bizarre, unwarranted conclusions. I'm pretty sure that sellers do not possess "moral" rights of any sort, once a sale has been made.
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Don't try that standing on a streetcorner and talking bit here in Lincoln, Nebraska. You will be arrested. I would suspect that this is true of many U.S. cities.
But as it is, they have effectively done NOTHING whatsoever to the company in question. Why should Sigma give a crap if they stop developing it? I'm sure they are very capable of carrying on the work themselves.
XVID might as well just give them permission to steal the product, for all the good this gesture is doing.
You can't know what you can or can't do unless you actually try to do something. If XVID simply stops developing and never even bothers to actually stand up for themselves, then they are cowards, plain and simple.
I'm not going to listen to this crap about them being helpless. They can file a lawsuit, just like anyone else, and they can let it be settled in a court. As it is, they're just bending over.
True, but an individual acting on behalf of the corporation could still claim constitutional rights in nearly all cases anyway.
(Of course, it still doesn't entitle someone to clog my inbox.)
I believe that's why he specified that it was a long distance phone call - so that some of the carriers of his conversation would have no control over what he does or whether he is connected to the network. It makes his analogy pretty solid.
Uh, unicron, you were doing ok for a while, but you're just being intentionally stupid now. A guy even responded to you with evidence; his father worked for a casino - I note that you could not be bothered to respond to him.
You do not get to violate people's rights just because it is your property. Unfortunately for the casino owners, you also can not decide that counting cards == cheating and act based on that. If someone is cheating, for real, you can have them arrested and then, yes, take your money back. But, in the twisted fantasy world in which you live, if I owned a casino, I could make up any arbitrary rule I wanted for removing people's winnings, such as - it is illegal to win money in my casino. I will throw out and confiscate the money of any known winner. How would that be, tough guy?
Why don't you actually do some reading and/or research. Casinos CAN NOT LEGALLY arbitrarily remove people's winnings. If something is against the law, it is against the law even if you do it to someone on your own property.
Also, incidentally, no, you are not subject to "punishments" of a private establishment if you violate their rules. They can throw you out, or if you've violated AN ACTUAL LAW, they can arrest you. No private citizen can punish another private citizen against his will legally. You complete idiot.
I don't know where you've been hanging out, but even the teams in the article didn't have their money confiscated. They were simply kicked out. Every news story I've ever seen on the subject has ended with someone being kicked out (no cash confiscation). It would be illegal for the casino to take back the money - what makes you think that the fact that it's their property gives them the right to simply determine who wins or loses? It doesn't work that way.
They reserve the right to throw you out, but you really can't expect me to believe that they can just nab someone's winnings for counting cards (NOT to be confused with cheating, once again).
Yes, but the only reason they need a team is to keep the casino from figuring out that they're counting cards. Any one of their spotters could do it on their own (that Kevin Lewis guy goes and does just this at the end of the article), except that the casinos are wise to those tactics. The teamwork is to throw off the eyes of the casino so that they can use their skill to win at the game. It's not cheating at all! It's like a game within a game.
It's the Western Hemisphere, as my anonymous friend pointed out, and it's the "dancinest" hemisphere instead of most happenin'. Just thought you'd like to know.
cd /
/usr/bin/app_to_uninstall
/usr/bin
find -name app_to_uninstall -print
rm -r
telnet cse.unl.edu
bash: telnet: command not found
man telnet
bash: man: command not found
Good thing newbies won't be taking your advice, eh?
All of SAP's software always looks unfinished, because they change everything about it every five minutes. :p
You miss the point, of course, that the people for whom it is so simple would never waste their time doing what you've just suggested. It presents no challenge.
To a young programmer such as myself, that does not sound so simple. I think it would take me a while. I'm pretty sure that half of the posters on Slashdot who brag about what amazing programmers they are are all talk. (No, I'm not talking about you... I don't jump to conclusions like that.)
Read their page - it doesn't work that way. You have to download a specially modified version of Nester (which fortunately happens to be a very good NES emulator) that connects to their site and downloads a ROM into the program's memory. No files touch your hard disk.
Someone would have to waste a lot of time writing a crack, but I guess someone probably will do just that, if only for the challenge.
Yeesh. They better save up and buy a really expensive server, if they're going to distribute CD images over the 'net. Seriously though, I doubt that's ever going to be a possibility.
Alone, this sort of bill is useless, but sooner or later, they will get their federal mandate requiring hardware to contain DRM technology. Are you happy never buying another electronic product, ever again?
You meant Senator Joseph Biden. Berman was the guy with the "Legalize DOSing for large copyright holders" bill from a couple of days ago. Whew!
That is because the whole strategy of DRM is to pass SEVERAL pieces of legislation. If they put all of the undesirable features in one, they might actually arouse the anger of Joe Average, and their dream of a country where only cartel-related "artists" can produce content will fall flat on its face. As it is, they'll be done before most people even notice.
FYI: the life sentence was only if you hack a computer system, and the fact that you did this causes someone to die. It just got blown out of proportion by the usual alarmists here.
If the government starts granting the powers of enforcement to other bodies, then what the fuck good are they? Am I paying taxes to these people so that they can assign all of their work to some corporation in California? Does anyone else see this as one step away from anarchy?
What's next - are they going to assign legislative powers to Microsoft, since making laws is too hard? Oh, poor fucking RIAA. Forced to live under the same laws as everyone else.
Seriously, if our government is not enforcing the law, and legislation can basically be written by someone else and just passed up to the Congressman they bought this year, then what, exactly, IS OUR GOVERNMENT DOING? Probably browsing pr0n all day, because they sure as hell are not RUNNING THE NATION.
Your statement is stupid. There is no all-encompassing unity among the posters of Slashdot on any issue. Many of the people you attack are, in fact, involved in system administration or security in some way or another, and certainly do not believe that it is A-OK to crack or DOS systems. Your stereotypes are useless.
As for this bill itself, I personally do not believe that it is "OK" for the government to dole out powers to enforce the law to anyone who feels threatened. This is not the way our society is meant to work. I certainly don't want to see this or any other examples of vigilantism around my town or country.
Explain yourself, fool. Why exactly does Sony have the "right" to dictate the way in which their product should be used? Please, oh great philosopher, point out to all of us exactly who or what has empowered companies (or anyone, for that matter) to do this- hint: it is not there. If I buy a screwdriver and clean out my ears with it, are you going to arrest me?
Hey, you know what? Sony can piss off. What is this crap with you people thinking that I should give one flying fucking shit what they think about it? They have my money, now they can go to hell. And you can go with them.
Sorry, buddy, there's no law that supports region encoding. You should modify the "Wrong:" part of your post in future postings. Sony, or any manufacturer, has no right, legally, morally, or whateverally to tell you what you can or can not do with your console. In case you hadn't noticed, software piracy is ALREADY illegal, so it makes the idea that Sony should be able to dictate to people kind of redundant.
Seriously. Look it up. There is NO LAW WHATSOEVER against importing. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Sorry.
Why should legitimate users of the technology be banned from using it simply because other people are using it incorrectly? Perhaps if Sony wants people to stop pirating things, they should work with the government to enforce the law (it is illegal to pirate software) against the perpetrators.
The industry has a completely moronic idea of what enforcement means. They want to round up a few (
The entertainment companies only look for the big fish. They nail some guy with 200 GB of MP3's on a p2p network, and throw the book at him. Your average file-swapper has a ridiculously small fraction of that amount of material; they know that they are relatively safe from enforcement; only the BIGGEST offenders ever get caught. Then, you have overly aggressive sentencing - the average file-swapper could never imagine being sent to prison for multiple years for doing something so seemingly harmless! The thought never even occurs to them!
What the industry should be pushing for is a system that enforces minimal sentences against a vast range of people. Copying a game and handing it to your buddy is a miniscule crime, with very, very tiny financial ramifications. The sentence, as such, should be a slap on the wrist. I would suggest a ticket and a small fine. ($50-$100). If everyone caught trading illegal copies of video games online was ticketed, every time, the amount of piracy occurring would drop sharply! Imagine some 13 year old kid getting nailed with a fine! His parents would kick his ass!
I don't have all of the details worked out, but needless to say, it is not at all difficult to find thousands of people trading illegal software/music/whatever online at any time of the day, and people smarter than I have already devised clever ways of obtaining their IP address. From there, it shouldn't be all that difficult to find someone, and levy a small fine. Many, many people would never trade software again.
And of course, the greatest benefit of all will be that you idiots will stop trying to imply that a TOOL needs to be outlawed because someone else did something illegal with it. I don't give a rat's ass about what some other guy did. That's not my job. If you don't like what they're doing, tell them about it.
They did, at least, according to some story or another on Acts of Gord, a website written by a former video game store owner. I have had no chance to independently verify his information, but I trust him. Supposedly, there was a chip which would ONLY allow imports; not backups. Such a mod also definitely existed for the Sega Saturn, since defeating the region encoding required a separate device; defeating copy protection was much harder.
For the PS2, as it turned out, defeating the region encoding is FAR more difficult than defeating the copy protection. Only recently have there been any chips at all that allow the correct playing of import games (Origa, Messiah). My PS2 chip will only play a BACKUP of and IMPORT. How messed up is that? And it absolutely would not play my imported copy of Psyvariar CE, original or CDR. I had to sell it to someone else.
You would be surprised at how many of us there are that only want to play imports, and aren't interested in stealing. In my opinion, the fact that there are ANY of us far outweighs any illegitimate usage of these devices.
Wherever did you get that idea? If you had said "the LEGAL right", you still would have been wrong, but at least you would be closer. As for "morals", I fear you know very little about the subject, and you should consequently do some deep, personal thinking about it before you jump to such bizarre, unwarranted conclusions. I'm pretty sure that sellers do not possess "moral" rights of any sort, once a sale has been made.