I'd prefer to go for a desktop system optimized for low power consumption, if I were outfitting an office full of general-use computers. The upcoming generation of desktop CPUs will be available in ~35W TDP versions, which compared to 89-120W TDP CPUs currently in use, can save a lot of electricity, which pads the bank account every month. And if your people leave their machines running 24/7, that can REALLY add up. Think about it - the clock on your microwave uses more electricity than it does cooking, because the clock runs all the time (at least, that's what I've read). Phantom electrical loads from devices on 'standby'...all that stuff adds up. I'd spend more for a desktop system that would use a low-power CPU like an Athlon64 MT or ML series than I would for a dual-core CPU.
Maybe this new version will install alongside IE6?
You don't have any previous experience with Microsoft, do ya? People have been wanting that ability with every new version of IE that I can remember. Remember - Microsoft isn't in the business to sell you want you want; they're in the business of selling you what they've got.
If I'm going to wear something that big and geeky on my wrist (I don't even wear a watch anymore, since the advent of the cellphone), it'd better have two features I'm used to wrist cuffs having from tv shows:
1) make me invisible (Galactica 1980) 2) deflect bullets (Wonder Woman)
Would be nice to see something like this for all platforms. The only question is how valid is the test, since the security of computer depends as much on the network security around it, as the machine itself.
Well, if it's ever done by Apple, it would best be done as a tool to actually help find security vulnerabilities, rather than as a marketing effort. To that end, I'd suggest whatever configuration would best expose those vulnerabilities.
A similar test for local vulnerabilites would also, obviously, be quite valuable (as the ZDNet test showed).
More like - was done without authorization, and was shut down. From the site linked:
Yesterday we discovered the Mac OSX "challenge" was not an activity authorized by the UW-Madison. Once the test came to the attention of our CIO, she ended it. The site, test.doit.wisc.edu, will be removed from the network tonight.
Our primary concern is for security and network access for UW services. We are sorry for any inconvenience this has caused to the community.
Still, shut down or 'ended,' not being hacked is a good show. Congrats to OS X.
I think Apple would be well-served by having a continously running OS X security challenge, for both OS X and OS X Server. Offer a reward every time you demonstrate a hole, and fix them fast.
This is obviously just a big stealth marketing campaign for an upcoming computer game. The names aren't as silly as character names in a Gene Roddenberry show, but pretty close.
Okay, so "Andromeda Ascendant" and "Pax Magellanic" were cool names, but those were ships.:)
I don't see where that says they're using 5400rpm drives...BUT, I went and checked Apple's website, and the 'learn more' bit on the hard drive section of the purchase page does now says 5400rpm instead of the 7200rpm it used to say.
Not a surprise, but disappointing.
It would be interesting to migrate the mobo out of one of these into a larger case, then upgrade the drive to use, say a 10k Raptor 150, the lowest-latency RAM (and a full 2 Gig of it), upgrade the processor to the fastest Core Duo made with a monster HSF on it, upgrade the optical drive to the fastest-available now, and see what it could do. It's a shame the graphics can't be upgraded, but oh well. Maybe some day they'll make an SFF-sized Mac which would allow that. *shrug*
It might also help if every product out there wasn't antibacterial in some way; it's just not generally necessary for every cleaning product you use to have antibiotics in them. It's actually hard to find handsoap nowadays that _isn't_ antibacterial.
If true, that'll provide a big performance boost just by itself over the G4 Mac Minis; it also makes the $100 price increase over the older base unit a great deal. 7200rpm 2.5" HDs are _pricey_.
My current machine is housed in a nice full tower case with space for 10 HDs, should I choose to spend that kind of money. I'm hoping to replace this with an Intel-based Mac, then turn my current machine into a NAS box connected via GigE, and slowly add more HDs as time goes on. GigE on the new Mac Mini is awesome. Worse-than-laptop video circuity is, err, suboptimal, though it does seem to have hardware decoding for HD video up to 1080p, which is pretty nice. I'd just have to give up on whatever 3D gaming I do (very minimal), unless I was willing to shut down the NAS box and use it as a regular machine. I dunno yet; I'll have to cogitate upon this further.
All of these "lackluster" features are likely the result of cooling concerns.
10K RPM drives produce a fair amount of heat compared to 7200 RPM.
That's true, but we're not even talking about 10k rpm drives - they're using 5400 rpm drives. There are 7200rpm laptop drives (built to order option for the MacBook Pro) that aren't even offered as an option here. There are 3.5" 7200 rpm drives that produce very little heat (assuming they went with a slightly larger box).
There is much better video circuitry in the MacBook Pro, which shouldn't have any worse heat restrictions than the Mac Mini, I'd think.
If "price is no object" for NAS? You don't seem to be up on the latest offerings, it seems. There are some seriously cheap NAS offerings out there these days, some for only use with 1 drive, some with 2 or 4, with or without drives.
Nevertheless, I was planning on turning my current machine into a NAS box, available for use by the new Mac Mini.
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You are aware that in Internet Explorer, XMLHttpRequest is implemented AS an ActiveX control... right?
Isn't that no longer the case with IE7? I thought that was one of the big changes...
So ... this is basically BogoMIPS for CPU design processes? :)
I'd prefer to go for a desktop system optimized for low power consumption, if I were outfitting an office full of general-use computers. The upcoming generation of desktop CPUs will be available in ~35W TDP versions, which compared to 89-120W TDP CPUs currently in use, can save a lot of electricity, which pads the bank account every month. And if your people leave their machines running 24/7, that can REALLY add up. Think about it - the clock on your microwave uses more electricity than it does cooking, because the clock runs all the time (at least, that's what I've read). Phantom electrical loads from devices on 'standby'...all that stuff adds up. I'd spend more for a desktop system that would use a low-power CPU like an Athlon64 MT or ML series than I would for a dual-core CPU.
This just goes to show that if you give MS enough time, they'll eventually be able to reinvent UNIX-like security. That's a relief.
Is Opera 9 ever gonna get out of beta? I'd like to use it as my email client (WAY better on resources and responsiveness than that pig Thunderbird).
Maybe this new version will install alongside IE6?
You don't have any previous experience with Microsoft, do ya? People have been wanting that ability with every new version of IE that I can remember. Remember - Microsoft isn't in the business to sell you want you want; they're in the business of selling you what they've got.
A - Dell was fresh out of quad core computers
Apple's fresh outta those, too, though likely not for that much longer (August for the PowerMac replacement?).
Now every store is a dollar store! :)
If I'm going to wear something that big and geeky on my wrist (I don't even wear a watch anymore, since the advent of the cellphone), it'd better have two features I'm used to wrist cuffs having from tv shows:
1) make me invisible (Galactica 1980)
2) deflect bullets (Wonder Woman)
actuaries can only communicate with other actuaries
Wow - that sounds like a good security feature to implement on the network!
Would be nice to see something like this for all platforms. The only question is how valid is the test, since the security of computer depends as much on the network security around it, as the machine itself.
Well, if it's ever done by Apple, it would best be done as a tool to actually help find security vulnerabilities, rather than as a marketing effort. To that end, I'd suggest whatever configuration would best expose those vulnerabilities.
A similar test for local vulnerabilites would also, obviously, be quite valuable (as the ZDNet test showed).
More like - was done without authorization, and was shut down. From the site linked:
Yesterday we discovered the Mac OSX "challenge" was not an activity authorized by the UW-Madison. Once the test came to the attention of our CIO, she ended it. The site, test.doit.wisc.edu, will be removed from the network tonight.
Our primary concern is for security and network access for UW services. We are sorry for any inconvenience this has caused to the community.
Still, shut down or 'ended,' not being hacked is a good show. Congrats to OS X.
I think Apple would be well-served by having a continously running OS X security challenge, for both OS X and OS X Server. Offer a reward every time you demonstrate a hole, and fix them fast.
SkyRamp?
... "I _love_ my astronauts!" *bang*
"Fling!"
It's an elaborate setup for a new perfume. Elon Musk...for men. It'll have Christy Turlington in the regular ad campaign.
You missed the biggie, though, "Elon Musk."
:)
This is obviously just a big stealth marketing campaign for an upcoming computer game. The names aren't as silly as character names in a Gene Roddenberry show, but pretty close.
Okay, so "Andromeda Ascendant" and "Pax Magellanic" were cool names, but those were ships.
Dylan Hunt? Trance Gemini? C'mon.
I don't see where that says they're using 5400rpm drives...BUT, I went and checked Apple's website, and the 'learn more' bit on the hard drive section of the purchase page does now says 5400rpm instead of the 7200rpm it used to say.
Not a surprise, but disappointing.
It would be interesting to migrate the mobo out of one of these into a larger case, then upgrade the drive to use, say a 10k Raptor 150, the lowest-latency RAM (and a full 2 Gig of it), upgrade the processor to the fastest Core Duo made with a monster HSF on it, upgrade the optical drive to the fastest-available now, and see what it could do. It's a shame the graphics can't be upgraded, but oh well. Maybe some day they'll make an SFF-sized Mac which would allow that. *shrug*
Yeah, but the more widespread their use, the more likely we'll get bacteria that are resistant to them, which would be bad.
I say we just all bathe in bleach every day. That'll take care of it, then everyone will be as pasty as those of us in Seattle.
It might also help if every product out there wasn't antibacterial in some way; it's just not generally necessary for every cleaning product you use to have antibiotics in them. It's actually hard to find handsoap nowadays that _isn't_ antibacterial.
I hate the term Web 2.0, and will personally spoon out the brains of anyone who uses the term with a straight face.
Fantastic. What do you do to people who use the term Web 3.0?
What is this, a Penny Arcade strip?
Wow, that's freaking obscure. Nice catch!
If true, that'll provide a big performance boost just by itself over the G4 Mac Minis; it also makes the $100 price increase over the older base unit a great deal. 7200rpm 2.5" HDs are _pricey_.
My current machine is housed in a nice full tower case with space for 10 HDs, should I choose to spend that kind of money. I'm hoping to replace this with an Intel-based Mac, then turn my current machine into a NAS box connected via GigE, and slowly add more HDs as time goes on. GigE on the new Mac Mini is awesome. Worse-than-laptop video circuity is, err, suboptimal, though it does seem to have hardware decoding for HD video up to 1080p, which is pretty nice. I'd just have to give up on whatever 3D gaming I do (very minimal), unless I was willing to shut down the NAS box and use it as a regular machine. I dunno yet; I'll have to cogitate upon this further.
All of these "lackluster" features are likely the result of cooling concerns.
10K RPM drives produce a fair amount of heat compared to 7200 RPM.
That's true, but we're not even talking about 10k rpm drives - they're using 5400 rpm drives. There are 7200rpm laptop drives (built to order option for the MacBook Pro) that aren't even offered as an option here. There are 3.5" 7200 rpm drives that produce very little heat (assuming they went with a slightly larger box).
There is much better video circuitry in the MacBook Pro, which shouldn't have any worse heat restrictions than the Mac Mini, I'd think.
Good news. Multa danko.
If "price is no object" for NAS? You don't seem to be up on the latest offerings, it seems. There are some seriously cheap NAS offerings out there these days, some for only use with 1 drive, some with 2 or 4, with or without drives.
Nevertheless, I was planning on turning my current machine into a NAS box, available for use by the new Mac Mini.