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IBM Creates Ring Oscillator on a Single Nanotube

deeptrace writes "IBM has combined CMOS circuitry and a single carbon nanotube to implement a 5 stage ring oscillator. Even though the oscillator runs at just 52 MHz, they expect that it could reach the GHz range with improvements. The frequency of the current oscillator was higher than previous circuits using multiple nanotubes. IBM describes the achievement in the paper "Integrated Logic Circuit Assembled on a Single Carbon Nanotube" to be published this week in the journal Science."

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  1. Imprevements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You know what could use some imprevements? (I think you do.)

    1. Re:Imprevements by Draconix · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      The Dvorak keyboard layout?

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    2. Re:Imprevements by Hangin10 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had some imprevements for breakfast; they were a bit stale, so they tasted xor.

    3. Re:Imprevements by iamdrscience · · Score: 2, Funny
      The Dvorak keyboard layout?
      How does anybody use a Dvorak keyboard anyways? The ones I've seen all have their letters in the wrong places.
    4. Re:Imprevements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not even a real word.
      /me thinks the editors are doing these typos deliberately to test the 'beta tagging system'

  2. A what? by Eightyford · · Score: 5, Informative
    What the hell is a ring oscillator, you ask? Well, wikipedia says:
    A ring oscillator is a device composed of an odd number of NOT gates whose output oscillates between two voltage levels, representing true and false. The NOT gates, or inverters, are attached in a chain; the output of the last inverter is fed back into the first. The simplest ring oscillator, then, is a single inverter whose output is fed back to itself. Because a single inverter computes the logical NOT of its input, it can be shown that the last output of a chain of an odd number of inverters is the logical NOT of the first input. This final output is asserted a finite amount of time after the first input is asserted; the feedback of this last output to the input causes oscillation.

    A circular chain composed of an even number of inverters cannot be used as a ring oscillator; the last output in this case is the same as the input. However, this configuration of inverter feedback can be used as a storage element; it is the basic building block of static random access memory, or SRAM.

    A real ring oscillator only requires power to operate; above a certain threshold voltage, oscillations begin spontaneously. To increase the frequency of oscillation, two methods may be used. Firstly, the applied voltage may be increased; this increases both the frequency of the oscillation and the power consumed, which is dissipated as heat. The heat dissipated limits the speed of a given oscillator. Secondly, a smaller ring oscillator may be fabricated; this results in a higher frequency of oscillation given a certain power consumption.

    To understand the operation of a ring oscillator, one must first understand gate delay. In a physical device, no gate can switch instantaneously; in a device fabricated with MOSFETs, for example, the gate capacitance must be charged before current can flow between the source and the drain. Thus, the output of every inverter of a ring oscillator changes a finite amount of time after the input has changed. From here, it can be easily seen that adding more inverters to the chain increases the total gate delay, reducing the frequency of oscillation.
    1. Re:A what? by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      Can you shorten that down to about ten words?

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    2. Re:A what? by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 1

      What the hell is a ring oscillator, you ask?

      After reading that WP article, I think I'm still asking ;)

    3. Re:A what? by Eightyford · · Score: 1

      Haha, no kidding. I've never heard of it before today, and I took a few electronics classes. As far as I can tell It's basically a simple logic gate. Maybe we'll see nanotube flash memory in the near future.

    4. Re:A what? by suchire · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's just a negative feedback circuit. If you inhibit yourself, then you stop producing, which stops inhibiting your own inhibition, etc. and this causes oscillation.

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    5. Re:A what? by CAR912 · · Score: 1

      Looks, from the WP article posted above, that a ring oscillator is an odd number of NOT logic gates strung end-to-end, so that when one outputs high/1/true, the next one outputs low/0/false (the opposite), which then feeds into the next gate... when you get back to the original gate, you give it high/1/true so that it then outputs low/0/false (switches from being true to false), and the gates switch their outputs around in a circle over and over again.

      perhaps a diagram?:

      NOT gate 1 ->  NOT gate 2 -> NOT gate 3 -> NOT gate 1 -> NOT gate 2...(lather, rinse, repeat)
      output:  T              F             T             F             T
      note how they continue to switch from true to false, as fast as possible?  This is how they generate a wave.

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    6. Re:A what? by solarbob · · Score: 1

      I belive that it might also be a sex toy from what I last heard

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    7. Re:A what? by iamdrscience · · Score: 1

      Okay, so what does it do, that is, what can it be used for?

    8. Re:A what? by Planesdragon · · Score: 1, Informative

      "It's a type of computer circuit, important to modern PCs."

      How's that?

    9. Re:A what? by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What the hell is a ring oscillator, you ask?

      After reading that WP article, I think I'm still asking ;)

      After reading it, it sounds like a project from one of the Radio Shack electronics kits I had back in the day. One of the components in this kit was a 7400, a quad 2-input NAND gate. By tying the two inputs of a NAND gate together, it's the equivalent of an inverter. By using one or three of the gates wired in a loop, you could make a one- or three-stage ring oscillator.

      I don't recall if the documentation identified the circuit as a ring oscillator, but I think some projects used it (maybe with a capacitor somewhere in the loop to slow it down) as a clock source.

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    10. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, man, thanks so much, you just totally clued-in a stoner as to what the hell was going on in this article ;-)

    11. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lost me after "A ring oscillator is a device..."

    12. Re:A what? by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Wow, thank god that thing wasn't something the Goatse man had attached to himself!

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    13. Re:A what? by Ucklak · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it's a type of clock that doesn't need a crystal for the oscillation.

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    14. Re:A what? by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 1
      It's a test circuit that tells you how fast a transistor switches.

      Oops, that's 12 (13 if you count the contraction).

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    15. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like the creating a BASIC program like the following:
      10 let x=0
      20 x=x+1
      30 goto 20

      and checking how fast the computer is by seeing how fast x reaches a million.

    16. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that... Cleared it right up.

    17. Re:A what? by BillGod · · Score: 1

      Thats the funniest thing I have read in weeks. I have no clue what you just said.

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    18. Re:A what? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
      I had an earlier version of that kit, it had one 7400 and less embarassing packaging.

      I remember the self-feeding oscillators had very amusing names for an 8 year old: Astable Multivibrator, only surpassed in humor-quotient by Bistable Multivibrator.

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    19. Re:A what? by Bloater · · Score: 1

      Electronic circuit go wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle...

  3. Can you please explain why this is significant? by schwit1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some of us are not nano-physicists/EEs, so it's not clear as to what the big deal is.

    1. Re:Can you please explain why this is significant? by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      I've been reading /. since February 1999, and this headline has gone further over my head than any other headline in the intervening seven years.

      Even though I understand what CMOS is and nanotubes are.

      Ok, maybe that was hyperbole.

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    2. Re:Can you please explain why this is significant? by eurowombat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ring oscillators are simple circuits with which you can easily compare different circuit technolgoies. You simply scale the circuit to whatever your new design rules are, say 90 nm -> 65 nm, soi, etc. and measure the new frequency of the oscillator. This gives you a good base point for measuring and comparing the performance of the new technology.

    3. Re:Can you please explain why this is significant? by CaptKilljoy · · Score: 2

      I've been reading /. since February 1999, and this headline has gone further over my head than any other headline in the intervening seven years.

      It isn't exactly rocket science. Now that they have method for building a nanotube ring oscillator, they can test new chip fabrication processes for using nanotubes for building chips by putting this structure on the chip and using it to measure the electrical characteristics changed. According to the article, they had no way to make these types of measurements directly before.

      The reason they're interested in trying to integrate nanotubes onto the chip is because it has better electrical characteristics than the copper currently used for interconnects (i.e. the wiring between transistors). This means less heat and better switching times.

    4. Re:Can you please explain why this is significant? by Heembo · · Score: 1

      Ring oscillators are simple circuits with which you can easily compare different circuit ...

      Blah blah blah, this does not even get close to explaining to us "lay people" what you EE's are talking about. How about an answer like "Doom 5 will be REALLY REALLY COOL" :)

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    5. Re:Can you please explain why this is significant? by Jackmn · · Score: 1
      Blah blah blah, this does not even get close to explaining to us "lay people" what you EE's are talking about.
      This is as simple as it gets.
    6. Re:Can you please explain why this is significant? by maximthemagnificent · · Score: 1

      Well, if made faster, be darned useful as a storage element which would be both super dense and low power. Maxim

    7. Re:Can you please explain why this is significant? by somersault · · Score: 1

      and you'll be playing it on your watch :p

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    8. Re:Can you please explain why this is significant? by Heembo · · Score: 1

      Play Doom 5 on my watch? Now there is a answer I can work with, thank you kind poster!

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  4. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was misled to believe that the entire circuit was literally on the surface of the nanotub but from the picture in the article it looks like the nanotube is touching a couple of pads.

    Anyway, what is the significance of the low frequency? Is the ring oscillator circuit supposed to be limited in frequency only by process parasitics, so that researchers can determine the maximum frequency the process can sustain?

  5. Microsoft Innovates Too! by BBCWatcher · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm really offended by all this IBM boosterism at Slashdot. Didn't you all hear Steve Ballmer say that IBM doesn't innovate? He's right, you know. And this carbon nanotube business is yet more evidence. IBM's work is hardly original. Carbon has been around forever. Steve Ballmer himself is made of carbon and other elements.

    Now let's talk about REAL innovation. Microsoft just announced a new facial feature pack for Office's "Clippy." Now you can customize Clippy according to your facial preferences. Options include complexion, hair style, nose shape and size, and ear/nose jewelry.

    1. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Best. Troll. Ever.

    2. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I'm sick of this pro-Micro$hit crap. Every Slashdotter knows that IBM Lotus Notes is the best mail client ever made, and therefore IBM dominates all software. You got a problem with IBM? Try to argue with the awesome functionality of Lotus Notes, and enjoy the smackdown, bitches.

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    3. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by jcr · · Score: 1

      IBM Lotus Notes is the best mail client ever made,

      Dude, you really need to get out more.

      -jcr

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    4. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd still rather use Lotus Notes before I ever used Outlook again. Although its the worst recource hoge ever and only works on Mozilla and IE.

    5. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by Lally+Singh · · Score: 1

      Dude I just wanted to tell you that your post (and the well-mod'd ones before it) have just renewed my interest in /. Understandably, it's been waning for quite some time. Thanks man.

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    6. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by daveytay · · Score: 1

      Two Words: Novell GroupWise It does not have Notes' app building, but in all other respects is superior. IMHO.

    7. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lies. Here at Slashdot we all know it was Apple who invented carbon nanotubes, not IBM or Microsoft... What's more, Apples' "Carbon Nano's" (tm) come in various "fruity flavours" where as IBM's shameless ripoff only comes in one ugly, boring colour- beige.

      Apple's is also better because it only actually has one carbon atom as any more would needlessly confuse users who want simplicity and elegance over the bloat of stringing the atoms needlessly together... :cP

    8. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by wish+bot · · Score: 1

      Shut up and eat your grits, grandpa!

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    9. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

      Now you can customize Clippy according to your facial preferences. Options include complexion, hair style, nose shape and size, and ear/nose jewelry.

      It's Mr Potato Clip!

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    10. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 0

      I detect large amounts of sarcasm, I mean he was being funny by saying how a better paperclip is better than a new piece of technology. gotta read between the lines ;)

    11. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lotus Notes has an email client now? When did that happen?

    12. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      Try to argue with ... Lotus Notes

      I tried, it won, so I uninstalled it. Hah! Argue that, Notes!

    13. Re:Microsoft Innovates Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hot grits?

  6. Small, and fragile by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

    The oscillator works better using a single nanotube fiber than when using multiple nanotubes, according to the article. Since nanotubes carry current along the outer surface of the tube, could it be that multiple nanotubes cause the electrical quanta along the surface of each tube to interfere and degrade the signal? The article does not explain why they saw reduced performance with multiple tubes than with a single tube.

    It is important to keep in mind that 52MHz is the maximum performance achievable in this setup with this material. Silicon's performance is much higher. However through changes to the nanotube material, the performance of the nanotube may be impreved. How they will achieve higher performance over a single nanotube will be interesting because it can't be reduced any further, and multiple tubes results in lower performance. Perhaps some sort of lattice structure will be able to allow greater imprevements.

    1. Re:Small, and fragile by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 4, Informative
      Since nanotubes carry current along the outer surface of the tube, could it be that multiple nanotubes cause the electrical quanta along the surface of each tube to interfere and degrade the signal?

      A carbon nanotube (CNT) is a rolled graphene plane (ie, carbon atoms in a hexagonal structure). So of course all current will be on the 'outside' of the tube, as the tube itself really only consists of the outside.

      IBM was probaby comparing single-wall nanotubes to multi-wall nanotubes. Multiwall nanotubes are composites of a bunch of concentric single-wall nanotubes. Their better results in the single-wall variety are probably due to less scattering between the graphene planes. A single CNT has a well-defined crystal structure, and is actually quite interesting. The graphene plane itself is sometimes referred to as a 'zero-bandgap insulator', where the density of states linearly goes to zero at the fermi energy (unlike an insulator or semiconductor which has a energy gap at the fermi energy, and hence cannot conduct decently like a metal).

      However through changes to the nanotube material, the performance of the nanotube may be impreved.

      They probably can get to higher frequencies. I mean, even the vibrational phonon modes of a single nanotube can be in the GHz range or higher (ie, these are the various modes of vibration that the nanotube would exhibit if you struck it, kind of like a wind chime). I don't know specifics, but I don't see why the nanotube couldn't support electronic channels with bandwidths into the GHz or even higher as well.

      Although nanotubes do have interesting characteristics different from typical metals and semiconductors. Ie, the electron-phonon interaction goes as 1/T, instead of 1/T^5 (where T is temperature). So at low temperatures there might be useful ways to couple electronic channels to vibrational modes not possible in conventional materials. Or vice versa, the phonon modes might more easily kill off electronic signals. There's alot of interesting work being done with nanotubes, and I'm sure some clever physicists and engineers will exploit these characteristics well in the near future.

    2. Re:Small, and fragile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if the placement of the nanotube has anything to do with it. Or what the speed of the oscillator would be without it. From the picture in the article, the nanotube appears to be hanging off one of the power busses and it doesn't show what's on the other end.

      TFA says that the placement of the nanotube was somewhat random.. It could be that the nanotube is shorting out the power, causing the oscillator to operate slower than normal

      I would be much more interested to see nanotubes being used in actual transistor applications

    3. Re:Small, and fragile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "However through changes to the nanotube material, the performance of the nanotube may be impreved. "

      Isn't the best material for a carbon nanotube carbon?

    4. Re:Small, and fragile by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 1

      What about differently structured nano-tubes? They're not all six-sided, are they? And what about dual-wall nano-tubes, which AFAIK are essentially hollow like a straw? You seemed to explain this as nested nano-tubes, but as I understand it, they're connected on the ends smoothly and form one molecule, essentially the second flavor of nano-tubes. Can you have more than single- and double-wall nano-tubes? I can't see how...

      Also, what about doping? If silicon performs better, I wonder if a coating or a scattering of silicon on the surface of the tube, or even as an integral part of its structure, would result in. I'm sure it would complicate the manufacturing process though.

      How does length of the nano-tube affect the properties (namely frequency) in this case?

      I am interested in this stuff a lot but by no means am I an expert... I should probalby RTFA now :-)

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    5. Re:Small, and fragile by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 1
      What about differently structured nano-tubes? They're not all six-sided, are they?

      No, a graphene plane is the hexagonal arrangement of carbon atoms. All nanotubes are made up of this graphene plane.

      Carbon nanotubes occur if you take a SINGLE graphene plane and roll it up, connecting it on the ends. Now you are correct there are multiple geometries. You can have wide or narrow tubes. You can also add chirality, by rolling the graphene plane along different directional vectors. And this creates tubes (zigzag vs armchair) with different properties. They can be insulating or metallic, depending on this chirality. Multi-wall tubes are when you get a small-diameter nanotube inside a larger diameter nanotube.

      Yes, the vibrational modes will depend on length, diameter, but also chirality. A tube with 100 atoms will have 100 distinct oscillating modes. The lowest-energy modes probably look similar to windchimes, where the structure of the carbon atoms cannot be resolved. At high frequences the individual atoms themselves move differently than their neighbors, and you get a rich spectra. You can have 'breathing modes' where the whole diameter increases or decreases. You can have ripple modes travel around the diameter. And of course standing wave modes down the length of the tube.

    6. Re:Small, and fragile by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 1

      Ok, I understand what you mean now by "graphene plane is the hexagonal arrangement of carbon atoms" - I read it as if you were trying to say that the cross-sectional shape of the CNT was hexagonal. I got it now... this is in regards to the bonds of neighboring atoms. I'm terrible with terminology so I won't try to paraphrase further. ...and wow, that last paragraph was awesome! I can't imagine being witness to such discoveries.

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    7. Re:Small, and fragile by PhysSurfer · · Score: 2, Informative

      All nanotubes are made up of this graphene plane.

      Actually, you can make nanotubes out of other materials besides carbon. Metallic nanotubes, for example, will have different crystal structures than the graphene hexagon.

      A tube with 100 atoms will have 100 distinct oscillating modes.

      No, it will have 300, one for each degree of freedom. However, three of these will be translational modes, which are not phonon modes, so really there will be 297 distinct phonon branches. In addition you should distinguish between the number of atoms in a Carbon Nanotube, and the number of atoms in its unit cell. A unit cell may have 100 atoms, but the entire nanotube can be made of 1000s of unit cells. The number of atoms in the unit cell is the important number for calculating phonons.

    8. Re:Small, and fragile by PhysSurfer · · Score: 1

      I don't know specifics, but I don't see why the nanotube couldn't support electronic channels with bandwidths into the GHz or even higher as well. Single-walled nanotube transistors operating at 2.6 GHz have been demonstrated (see Li et al. Nanoletters 2004 pg 753). Theoretical limits for CNT transistors are in the tens of GHz range (the limits come from the mobility of the electron). A caveat is that I believe the temperature was around 4 K. Although nanotubes do have interesting characteristics different from typical metals and semiconductors. Ie, the electron-phonon interaction goes as 1/T, instead of 1/T^5 (where T is temperature). So at low temperatures there might be useful ways to couple electronic channels to vibrational modes not possible in conventional materials. Or vice versa, the phonon modes might more easily kill off electronic signals. Actually vibrational modes (phonons) are usually detrimental to electronic circuits - they are the main source of electronic scattering, and heating of the device. One of the reasons SWNTs have elucidated so much interest is because they probably conduct ballistically (without scattering) at room temperature and lower for channel lengths as long as 1 micron (and low bias). At low temperatures you certainly wouldn't be coupling electronic channels to vibrational modes.

    9. Re:Small, and fragile by PhysSurfer · · Score: 1

      Oops, sorry about the lack of breaks, here's a more legible form of my comment:

      I don't know specifics, but I don't see why the nanotube couldn't support electronic channels with bandwidths into the GHz or even higher as well.

      Single-walled nanotube transistors operating at 2.6 GHz have been demonstrated (see Li et al. Nanoletters 2004 pg 753). Theoretical limits for CNT transistors are in the tens of GHz range (the limits come from the mobility of the electron). A caveat is that I believe the temperature was around 4 K.

      Although nanotubes do have interesting characteristics different from typical metals and semiconductors. Ie, the electron-phonon interaction goes as 1/T, instead of 1/T^5 (where T is temperature). So at low temperatures there might be useful ways to couple electronic channels to vibrational modes not possible in conventional materials. Or vice versa, the phonon modes might more easily kill off electronic signals.

      Actually vibrational modes (phonons) are usually detrimental to electronic circuits - they are the main source of electronic scattering, and heating of the device. One of the reasons SWNTs have elucidated so much interest is because they probably conduct ballistically (without scattering) at room temperature and lower for channel lengths as long as 1 micron (and low bias). At low temperatures you certainly wouldn't be coupling electronic channels to vibrational modes.

    10. Re:Small, and fragile by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 1
      Actually vibrational modes (phonons) are usually detrimental to electronic circuits

      Not always, for example look up Surface acoustic waves . A lab I used to work at was able to replace a few entire racks of electronics with a single SAW filter that could fit in the palm of your hand!

      My point regarding the phonon modes is that they may couple to electrons differently, just like SURFACE acoustic waves vs interior phonons, and may possibly be exploited for interesting effects.

      CNT's have much more appeal beyond their ability to act as 1-D ballistic conductors.

    11. Re:Small, and fragile by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 1
      No, it will have 300, one for each degree of freedom.

      [slaps forehead]. Thanks, that's what I get for thinking in terms of 1D transport for too long! haha.

  7. What we have here is capitalism at its best. by O'Laochdha · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    IBM is motivated by pure profit, and they did this for just that reason. And for the reason of pure profit, IBM has advanced the course of science. That's the idea of capitalism; people work harder when their purpose is more tangible than the good of mankind's collective knowledge.

    Of course, there is the danger of this becoming "capitalism at its worst," i.e., patented...

    1. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Firehed · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That's the idea of capitalism; people work harder when their purpose is more tangible than the good of mankind's collective knowledge.

      Which is why communism fails. If everyone's the same regardless, there's no incentive to innovate. But that's aside the point.

      Patents aren't evil, in fact there's nothing wrong with them. It's copyrights that are abused. A patent is to protect your work. A copyright is to extort as much money as possible from something that serves absolutely no tangible purpose. But rest assured, it will be patented. My dad co-holds a patent that's used in the process of wafer processing, and it's in fact an extremely simple concept (of course, considering the fact that by age twelve I came up with a solution that increased the accuracy of their heating uniformity data, which was another extremely simple concept, I'd really have to wonder how smart most of the engineers are). Other manufacturers, to my understanding, can pay to license the idea and use the technology- it's not being reserved exclusively for the patent-holder.

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    2. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Other manufacturers, to my understanding, can pay to license the idea and use the technology"

      So just like the e-e-evil copyright, you too are extorting as much money as possible in order to prevent people from using it.

      Well how generous of you and dad. People can pay (and pay and pay and pay) for this "idea" that some kid thought up and had daddy's lawyers lock away forever so no one else can benefit. That's great. Thanks for nothing. Society will really benefit from that.

      Herein lies the bald faced LIE of so-called Intellectual Property, and Capitalism in general, both hinder progress, both exist solely for Greed and to extort money from people who might otherwise use ideas to benefit others.

    3. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Quiberon · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it will be patented. If you have an interesting patent to trade with IBM, you will get a licence for free. Likewise if you intend to use the invention for 'medical' or 'educational' ends. IBM's budget for prosecuting patent infringement cases is rather small. Even SCO got let off.

    4. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Firehed · · Score: 1
      Not quite. Firstly, I have no involvement with the patent in question. My involvement was in something completely different, and was only cited to point out the abilities (or lack thereof) of the engineers. Secondly, my dad only created the concept and is a co-holder, his company handles all of the licencing. So if you're going to take what I said so severely out of context, at least quote me correctly. Patents traiditonally aren't used for extorsion, though, it's just to be sure that the creators are compensated. It's not locked up, it is licensed. And unlike copyrights, there's actually a tangible benefit to patended things. Having an edge-ring wafer retention mechanism being licensed to competitors isn't quite the same as a school having to change "gay" to "happy" in Deck the Halls so they don't have to pay thousands in licensing fees so they can make absolutely no money off of the song themselves.

      At least get your story straight. I support free (as in both) as much as you do, but it just doesn't work in society for the most part. That doesn't mean I think society is right, in fact it's quite dissapointing to me, but you're not going to see any more progress from any other type of economic system than you will from capitalism. If you can't sell your progress to someone, you have no source of income. I dunno about you, but most people can't live off of nothing.

      "daddy's lawyers" aren't locking up Happy Birthday, unlike what you get with copyrights. But for the record, the design has had a good deal of impact on the increased production and success of microprocessors, so I think society has benefitted quite a bit. If some other company wanted to design the thing themselves, they're quite free to do so - licensing is basically just paying for the blueprints. Yes, it gets hairy with IP, but that's not what the situation is here.

      Lastly, copyrights are free, patents aren't. It costs thousands to have your patent registered. This post is (C) 2006 Firehed, and is subject to whatever terms I dictate, and if you violate them, you could be held liable in a court of law. If I wanted to, I could say that merely quoting me, in part or in full, is unauthorized reproduction and thus copyright infringement, and I could file a lawsuit of, IIRC, $30,000 per instance. And all it takes on my part is having created the post and noting the terms. I'm not an ass, so I won't. You're quite free to do anything but misquote me again.

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    5. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Patents aren't evil, in fact there's nothing wrong with them. It's copyrights that are abused. A patent is to protect your work. A copyright is to extort as much money as possible from something that serves absolutely no tangible purpose."

      Translation: "You can't download that neat new gadget no matter how hard you suck on the P2P teat."

      Guess they should raze all those stupid art museums, as they serve no tangible purpose.

    6. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patents aren't evil

      You're right about this, insofar as guns are not evil and cars are not evil and alcolhol is not evil.

      The problem is that some people misuse them. Rather than license the patent out to people, they simply either keep the patent to themselves and use it to lock up a market (fair enough, assuming they're actually servicing that market), or worse, do absolutely nothing with it in the hopes that they can sue someone else who falls into their trap.

    7. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM invented the hard disk, plenty of those around not made by IBM. IBM invented the electron tunneling microscope, plenty of those around too. Regardless of motive, society has hardly been held to ransom over these technologies.

    8. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      This post is (C) 2006 Firehed, and is subject to whatever terms I dictate, and if you violate them, you could be held liable in a court of law. If I wanted to, I could say that merely quoting me, in part or in full, is unauthorized reproduction and thus copyright infringement, and I could file a lawsuit of, IIRC, $30,000 per instance.

      Well, that might be true if 'Firehed' was a real name and/or if you had some substancial way to prove who this 'Firehed' is. As it stands, you'd have to somehow get Slashdot to prove who 'Firehed' is to get standing in court, and then convince the judge that the chain-of-proof is valid.

      Not as easy as it sounds.

    9. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Well, for one, I can log into the account. As well as numerous other 'Firehed' accounts containing upwards of 10,000 forum posts, several of which contain information on PMs that do contain my real identity from forum sales and trades. There's more internet than /. out there, believe it or not.

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    10. Re:What we have here is capitalism at its best. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      And anybody else can establish 'Firehed' accounts anywhere you haven't.

      Anonymnity can easily bite you in the back, and copyrights are generally assigned to real names, or named entities with real names backing them.

      There's certainly a legal effort you could make to enforce a copyright but putting 'copyright Firehed' at the bottom of a post likely isn't enough.

  8. Waiting on Imprevements by slashbob22 · · Score: 1

    Until they develop an imprevement we shouldn't expect the GHz range. A quick google doesn't provide any further information other then suggesting it is a spelling mistake.

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    1. Re:Waiting on Imprevements by Quantum+Fizz · · Score: 1

      The phonon modes (ie, vibrational modes) of the nanotube are in the GHz range, and might be exploited to further increase the frequecy.

  9. Nanotubes.. by William+Robinson · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A nanotube turns on for both negative and positive voltage, and turns off somewhere in the middle

    What exactly this means?

    1. Re:Nanotubes.. by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most semiconductors only turn on at a certain voltage level. For example, most silicon transistors turn on at about positive 0.7 volts. Any less than that and the trasistor won't conduct, even if you go below 0 volts to a negative voltage.

      What the person was saying about nanotubes is they will "turn on" or begin to conduct again after the voltage drops below 0 to a certain negative level. Kind of like a device that takes the absolute value of the voltage, and if it's above a certain value it conducts or switches "on".

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    2. Re:Nanotubes.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true, until you hit the breakdown voltage in the negative, in which case you overcome the natural resistance of the transistor.

    3. Re:Nanotubes.. by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      That's true, until you hit the breakdown voltage in the negative, in which case you overcome the natural resistance of the transistor.

      I tried doing that, but it let the magic smoke out.

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  10. Cool! by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Right in the middle of the 6-meter Amateur Radio band! Sounds like a nice local oscillator for an ultra-tiny nano "rig". Now, to figure out how to directly modulate it for direct FM or FSK.

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    1. Re:Cool! by Associate · · Score: 1

      Did you just say nano-radio implants?

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    2. Re:Cool! by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a square wave, so you'll have to filter the heck out of it.

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  11. In other news... by XXIstCenturyBoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft announced today that they have achieved a full annoyance oscillator and generator on a single virtual piece of bent metal.
    The findings titled "How to make Clippy more annoying" will be published next week in the Mr. Ballmer's Journal of IBM Bashing

  12. Explanation? by Egoweblog · · Score: 1

    Could someone please explain what are the practical uses for the ring oscillator?

    1. Re:Explanation? by jackstack · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI - a ring oscillator is just a proof of concept and there is no practical application, per se. It shows that their carbon nanotube transistor technology is well understood enough so that they can make simple logic devices (an oscillator is a bunch of inverters (NOT gate) strung together. Not long ago, slashdot had an article about a transparent ring oscillator from Oregon State Univ. Again, this was done as a stepping stone from discovering an entirely new semiconductor (this is NOT silicon, people) to making a useful device.

    2. Re:Explanation? by jedZ · · Score: 5, Informative

      A 5-stage ring oscillator is the hardware equivalent of a program that displays 'Hello World!'

    3. Re:Explanation? by Egoweblog · · Score: 1

      Thanx, that's what I thought. I could not see any real use for a device composed only of NOT's.

    4. Re:Explanation? by jackstack · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you can combine the inverters which make NOT gates to make AND gates as well as well as OR gates and ... you get the picture.. t

    5. Re:Explanation? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 1

      The clock on your cpu.

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    6. Re:Explanation? by Spurion · · Score: 1

      That is a very neat explanation. Earlier posts described the ring oscillator as a "proof of concept" or similar, but you have successully taken advantage of a better-known concept to be both more concise and more lucid.

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  13. A rebus, with words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Integrated Logic Circuit Assembled on a Single Carbon Nanotube"

    Does anyone else notice that you could create the acronym "ILicASCaN" with that? I lick ass can? Whoa!

  14. Maybe... by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 0

    See, those core duo processors are cool, but when they're able to fit 1024 cores onto a chip, and then you have 8-chip machines, and each core is a 24 GHZ nanotech quantum computer, we'll start to see some real performance. Either that, or Microsoft will make Windows even more bloated.

  15. Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    In between positive and negative there is zero.

    Congratulations - you just qualified as a Slashdot editor !

  16. Holy Shit!!! by i_am_the_r00t · · Score: 4, Funny

    a ring Oscillator!

    On a Single Nanotube!

    crap all mighty!!!

  17. They're just showing off by surfcow · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're just showing off.

    It's nothing but a token ring.

    =brian

  18. Someones gettin laid tonight... by i_am_the_r00t · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...at the IBM labs Oh yeah! Nanotech really turns the hot chicks on

    1. Re:Someones gettin laid tonight... by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 1

      "Ring Oscillator" on a Single "Nanotube"?

      Sounds like innuendo to me...

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    2. Re:Someones gettin laid tonight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nanotechnology is the next big thing.

      Don't hit me.

    3. Re:Someones gettin laid tonight... by glas_gow · · Score: 1

      A nanotube (also known as a buckytube) is a member of the fullerene structural family, which also includes buckyballs.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube

    4. Re:Someones gettin laid tonight... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Just wait, soon we'll all be taking Nano-Leaps in things before the paradigm shift.

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    5. Re:Someones gettin laid tonight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nanotube

      Size doesn't matter.

    6. Re:Someones gettin laid tonight... by andersa · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's the same at the Niels Bohr Institute. 'Nano' definitely has the hottest chicks. They are almost in the same league as the biochemistry department!

  19. Amateur License? by Nethead · · Score: 1
    ...the oscillator runs at just 52 MHz...

    So I'm guessing that they have a Amateur Radio License. I wonder if they can get the nanotube to do single sideband on 6 meters.

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  20. Here's why a ring oscillator by sidney · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A number of posts have asked about the significance of a 5 stage ring oscillator.

    That's the same circuit mentioned in the recent transparent IC story where TFA said

    OSU says the near-invisible integrated circuit (IC) implements a five-stage ring oscillator, a function often used for testing and demonstrating new technologies. This is analogous to when software developers write programs that simply say "hello world," as an early step in testing and debugging new computer languages.

    1. Re:Here's why a ring oscillator by MrP-(at+work) · · Score: 1

      My test programs output "i hate you all!".. is that still comparible to this 5 stage ring oscillator?

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  21. Nice feat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we can build a 486DX2 with oscillator in just a square millimeter. Just imagine having a complete computer with semi-transparent screen built into your glasses.

  22. or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or use it as world's tiniest CW emitter.

  23. And the art department's putting together comps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for a bulk package that will hold a few million of 'em!

  24. Attention: Question by irimi_00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anyone else get the impression that most people have no idea the potential for nanotech? Or maybe those that do are just schizo and nerdy.

    1. Re:Attention: Question by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Does anyone else get the impression that most people have no idea the potential for nanotech? Or maybe those that do are just schizo and nerdy.

      Most people, including the nerdy and schizo, have no real idea what nanotech is beyond maybe the latest scientific buzzword.

      In the meantime; Please don't pat yourself on the back for being a geek. That doesn't play well around here, Holmes.

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    2. Re:Attention: Question by Down_in_the_Park · · Score: 1

      Does anyone else get the impression that most people have no idea the potential for nanotech?

      Yes, we all got that impression, feeling better now? Now, what is the POTENTIAL of nanotech, particular when you don't even define the field in which it should be used or applied, can you briefly decribe all potential applications and changes we will have in fields like computing, medicine, chemistry, physics, biotech, sociology and politcs, not to forget DRM...

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  25. This is significant because... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative
    From TFA:

    IBM succeeded in creating a ring oscillator, a test circuit used to evaluate the performance of new materials and semiconductor manufacturing techniques, out of a combination of the CMOS circuitry used by the majority of today's chips and a single carbon nanotube.


    OK here's the explanation in 1337:

    Carbon nanotubes = t3h w00t
    CMOS = reality
    Ring oscillator = first tests to integrate t3h w00t into reality

    It means that before this, nanotubes and nanotube transistors were only tested in the lab, using microscopic clamps, cables, probes, etc. But this is the first time that a carbon nanotube can be integrated into a working CMOS chip (a small step for chips, a giant leap for mankind). Once CMOS manufacturing can be adjusted for carbon nanotubes, we'll be able to manufacture nanotube memory, nanotube chipsets, and finally, nanotube CPU's!

    This is what i've been waiting for since i ever heard about nanotube transistors (however, i think that using graphene sheets instead of nanotubes will be much more effective).
  26. Nanotube circuits... by Professr3 · · Score: 1

    "Hey Ethel, it looks like tube circuits are making a comeback!"

  27. Odd... just did this in class today... by jpardey · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lets see if this helps. Some people were confused...

    A ring oscillator is a device for making square waves. It uses a common component, a NOT gate. In digital logic, there are two levels, high and low (or 1 and 0, respectivly). High is usually, as far as I have seen, +5 volts, while low is 0 volts (ground).

    A NOT gate simply inverts the input. If the value is 1, it outputs 0. If the value is 0, it outputs 1. If the value is somewhere between the two, it will choose one state or the other based on some threshold voltage.

    Changing output is not instantaneous. How much time it takes, I don't know. However, it is very fast.

    I was going to draw a schematic, but I gave up on appeasing the lameness filter. So, we will use the power of imagination! Imagine one of these NOT gates hooked up to itself. It will switch on and off at a terrific rate. Put a wire on the output, and you have a square wave! Want it slower? Take another two NOT gates, and put them in the loop, so that the first one goes to the second goes to the third. Slower? Another two. If the number of NOT gates was even, the inverted signal would be uninverted by the next NOT gate, which is not what we want.

    For more control, one can use a capacitor in a certain arrangment (I'm not looking through my notes). It will take a while to charge and discharge, acting as a delay. Just don't read its voltage as the signal, or you will get a dropping bit, then a rising bit, rather than a nice clean square wave.

    Quite useful devices. I hope this clarifies things.

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    1. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 1

      I agree that high is generally 5V in mainstream systems, but I thought "low" was 0.5V, and 0V was no signal/circuit at all... ("High-Z"...?) but I forget, it was a while ago when I studied this in college... -@

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    2. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by CTho9305 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually put together this earlier this month to show someone that even in a simulation environment, with every node starting at the same voltage (which should be a "stable" state, as long as it's not disturbed by outside influences), the floating point inaccuracies in the simulator are sufficient for oscillation to start spontaneously.

    3. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I was going to draw a schematic, but I gave up on appeasing the lameness filter.

      Now see, this underlines the drawbacks of closed-source. If we could simply have access to the technology that the GNAA and friends of the penis bird use to make their ascii art pass the lameness filter, you could have given us the schematic.

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    4. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to remember that the nominal values are not the same as the actual values. Luckily I have my old notebook right here!

      NOMINAL SIGNAL LEVELS are what people usually use when referring to voltage. For instance, the nominal transistor-transistor logic (TTL) signal levels are zero volts for binary zero (logical false) and five volts for binary one (logical true.) In practice, these values are rarely actually observed on signal lines.

      TYPICAL OUTPUT SIGNAL LEVELS are the values returned when you use a voltmeter to measure the output of any digital device. For example, though the nominal signal levels are zero and five, in practice you might observe that the value for logical false (zero) is 0.2 volts, while the value for logical true (one) is 4.6 volts.

      ABSOLUTE MINIMUM VALUE AT FULL LOAD: If you look at the data sheet for a TTL component, you will find that the logical true (one) output is guaranteed to be above 2.4 volts, and the logical false (zero) output is guaranteed to be below 0.4 volts, when the chip is driving the maximum load allowed.

      THRESHOLD VALUES are the dividing point. For instance, a TTL device interprets any input above 2 volts as logical true and any input below 0.8 volts as logical false.

    5. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by fbjon · · Score: 1
      So far so easy. What I don't get is how this simple circuit relates to processing an audio signal through a ring oscillator. In those, for every frequency f you feed in, you get an output f+a and f-a, where a is the frequency of the ring oscillator. In other words giving in a pure sine wave of 200Hz gives you an output of, say 220Hz and 180Hz, or any other pair of values centered on the original 200Hz.

      <OT> While I'm at it, by discarding one of the signals, you get a strange-sounding frequency shifter, in that lower frequencies are shifted relatively more than higher (20+20=40Hz, one octave higher, but 1000+20=1020Hz, just barely out of tune).

      In fact, this is how the radio voices in Star Wars were done in the old days, IIRC.

      </OT>

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    6. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by agony_zhou · · Score: 1

      Small correction: One inverter cannot oscillate. Think of it this way: An inverter must have some delay by itself, so the phase shift from input to the output must be higher than 180 degree. However, it can never reach 360 degree too; otherwise it is not a inverter anymore. So the minimum number is 3, with each stage shifting the phase by 240 dgree for a total of 720 degree shift to complete the circle.

    7. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by eonlabs · · Score: 1

      7404 Not gates have a gate delay on the order of 10 nano-seconds. In the output of my ring oscillator, I found that it tended to form a saw wave (almost equally balanced) rather than a square wave, since the majority of the time was spent in either a rising or falling edge. The more gates used, the closer this becomes to a square wave.
      A simpler method of producing lower frequencies, or adjustable frequencies is to attach a cap to the input of a not gate (we've used 7414), and provide a feedback resistor from the output to the input. This method will charge the cap until the energy stored is high enough to trigger the transistor. The actual amount of time it takes is based on K/RC where K is related to the switching ratio(if I remember correctly) and RC is the product of the Cap in Farads and the Resistor in Ohms.
      The reason the higher freqs are so important are that the gate delay must be significantly reduced in order to achieve them
      This is difficult once you're below a certain level.

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    8. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by jpardey · · Score: 1

      I think you are thinking about a ring modulator. Totally different thing. It multiplies two signals together. You might want to see this page... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_modulation

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    9. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Aah, now that explains my confusion perfectly.

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    10. Re:Odd... just did this in class today... by jpardey · · Score: 1

      Hmm, maybe. I personally doubt it myself. High impedence (Z) simply means there will be very little current draw. So if there is a high line connected to a high impedence output, little current will flow, while if it was just a low impedence 0 V out connected to high, there will be a lot of current. Sorta like just not connecting a line at all, compared to connecting it to ground.

      I hope that makes more sense to you than me.

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  28. Man by themusicgod1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you're considerring using carbon nanotubes as a sex toy...you've got a problem. A very, very small problem, in fact.

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    1. Re:Man by somersault · · Score: 1

      maybe he's a fairy? >.> very small fairy

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  29. Applications. by rrauwl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some people seem to be wondering if this is just showing off, or are there short to medium term applications for this? I think that one of the first, fairly simple applications for this is in the field of gate arrays. FPGA's, or field-programmable gate arrays, are cool devices that emulate strings of logic gates. They can be used in circuit design tasks, emulating loads on networks, and any number of geeky things. FPGA's are often considered the ugly step sister to application-specific integrated circuits, or ASIC's. Why? Because they suck more power and they're slower. People still use FPGA's a lot of the time because they're more flexible, you can change them on the fly. Now imagine an FPGA that's ultra-miniaturized, drawing almost no power, producing very little heat, and operating at amazing speeds. They need to perfect NAND or NOR gates, but once they have one of those, they can replicate them a billion times, and either of those gate types will be able to emulate every other logic gate, when placed in the right order. That's one interesting application, on the pure logic level. So it might be an exciting time, depending on how quickly they can move this out of the lab. I love this stuff.

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    1. Re:Applications. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They need to perfect NAND or NOR gates, but once they have one of those, they can replicate them a billion times, and either of those gate types will be able to emulate every other logic gate, when placed in the right order.

      I believe one of the big problems is the replication that you're speaking of. From my understanding they don't really have a great idea of how to mass produce predictably shaped nanotubes yet. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8888 has a little bit of info on this too.

  30. Egg-raid on Nijola... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Egg-raid on Nijola!
    Egg-raid on Nijola!
    Fucked right up!
    Fucked right up!
    Come on bitch, try to stand up,
    put down the remote,
    are you "down with The Goats"?
    Pull down your pants,
    I wanna see you dance!

  31. Hey Baby! by Warg!+The+Orcs!! · · Score: 1

    Come on over here, slip that cute, l'il ring on my nanotube and lets oscillate Baby!

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  32. Re:IBM IS FAMOUS FOR THIS CRAP by waferhead · · Score: 0

    And this is a bad thing HOW?

  33. Note to mods: by raoul666 · · Score: 1

    Maybe I missed something, but this doesn't really look like flamebait, and I think that's a fairly harsh mod for what appears to be a simple (if badly worded) question.

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  34. I'm here to speak out... by Miss+Emily+Litella · · Score: 3, Funny

    against ring osculation. It's disgusting and vulgar. What's wrong with just holding hands, or kissing on the lips? Miss O'Tube should be ashamed of herself. With a reputation like that, she's going to stay single. Back to you, Cheddar.

  35. Thanks by Stripsurge · · Score: 1

    That made things a lot clearer.

    Who'd of thought your knowledge would pay off so soon?

  36. drain? by Hawkxor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the article: "Circuit designers understand that n-type transistors can be turned on with positive voltage applied to the drain; p-types are exactly the opposite."

    Surely they mean 'applied to the gate' (the input voltage is gate to source, the output voltage is drain to source)

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    1. Re:drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's one problem with you're lame drawing.
      It should be
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  37. MOD PARENT FUNNY!! by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 0

    If I hadn't posted already I'd mod you up.

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  38. Re:IBM IS FAMOUS FOR THIS CRAP by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

    The AC owns IBM shares.

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  39. Nano Tube? by abcxyz · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know what the maximum plate voltage is for a Nano tube?

    Also looking for a socket supplier, can't find any on E-Bay.

    Thanks,
    Rick

  40. For example by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1


    Microsoft's Vista team has invented a new Daisy-Chain Vacillator.

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  41. Augh, this is really quite simple!!! by writertype · · Score: 1

    As the article states, they designed a test bed to test nanotubes. You know, benchmarks? They've designed a known circuit, where the chief variable is the performance of the nanotube. They then can try to improve the nanotube and test its performance again.

    People are missing the forest for the (exceedingly small) trees.

  42. Just Learned About This in Class Today.... by WoodChuckNorris · · Score: 1
    Wow, I actually just learned about this (ring oscillators and MOSFETS as gates) today in my Electronics I class...Pretty neat!

    /rising sophomore undergrad EE at Notre Dame :-)

  43. So, what is it then? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    A ring oscillator is a device composed of an odd number of NOT gates whose output oscillates between two voltage levels So, if it's NOT gates, what is it then?

  44. to sum up by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    So ... this is basically BogoMIPS for CPU design processes? :)

  45. Trinary systems? by Quince+alPillan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was going to make a smartass remark about being able to use "new and improved" trinary computers, with positive, negative, and neutral voltages on these transistors, but then I found out they already exist!

    D'oh!

    Well, at least I can welcome our ternary computing overlords!

  46. cheap nightlights = ring oscillator by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

    Want to make a very simple ring oscillator? Get three cheap nightlights -- the ones that turn on when it's dark -- and plug them all in on extension cords close to one another, so that each one's light is near another one's light detection cell. Congratulations: you've just made a three-unit ring oscillator. They operate at about 0.5Hz. It's also easy to make five and seven unit oscillators, of course.

    For extra credit, making NOR gates using nightlights is fairly easy but making NAND gates takes quite a bit of fussing around. Flipflops are dead easy. If you can do all those you can build a half-adder circuit with carry bit, and you're well on your way to a very, very slow, large, hot optical computer.

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  47. What nobody seemed to mention is... by aybiss · · Score: 0

    that using a NOT gate it is possible to build any logic gate, and hence a computer.

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  48. MOD MOD FUNNY!! by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

    Someone wasted a mod point. Cretin.

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  49. Not much to see here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at the picture in the article I have trouble finding anything newsworthy. The nanotube does not appear to be a functional element in the circuit. I see six cascaded cmos inverters. The fifth inverter provides feedback to the first to form the ring oscillator. The sixth inverter is also driven by the fifth inverter effectively using the sixth inverter as a buffer. One end of the nanotube appears to overlap the output of the sixth inverter, implying that the sixth inverter and the nanotube make contact. There is no indication that the far end of the nanotube is in contact with anything. Perhaps this is a nanotube antenna. At 52 MHz the nanotube is an incredibly short antenna and probably much less effective at radiating at 52 MHz than the power supply leads. I don't see how the nanotube has any effect on the circuit operation or is relevant to the operating frequency.

    I did see one claim in that may have some merit. I think this is the first time I have seen a picture of a nanotube on an active silicon circuit. I have heard of nanotubes on silicon before. As far as I can recall those only used the silicon as a passive substrate for metal connections.

    This sounds like a case of "Hey! You got a nanotube on my chip!" "Hey!, You got a chip on my nanotube!" But this is still a long way from a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup.

    1. Re:Not much to see here. by jwo7777777 · · Score: 1

      It is the fabrication of the nanotube with the circuit that is interesting. It seems that these are more exercises in the ability to create nanotubes on the same wafer with the other circuitry.

      Then again it could be an exercise in IBM's ability to create news.

  50. maybe this idea is good, how about the production? by xiaoguang · · Score: 1

    though carbon nanotube(CNT) seems a promising tech that could be widely used on electronic devices, but it has a long way to be utilized in your chips as i foresee. Even neglecting the other challenges they may face to put CNT into industry, the process to assemble the nanotube into a specific place on the chip is a difficult task - simply scientists use lab equipment to locate CNT and other tiny structures. Yet how they did this when trillions of CNT are going to placed? I believe a mature tech should be existed with mature mass-production. I donot think current ways like photo-subtractive method would work. IBM's work is nothing more than a news headline