I have screen loaded from my bash profile, it makes no difference really.
Have you used TGssh? It's not as if you have a command line or anything. You get an input box to type your stuff in. So arrow-up and tab-completion (just what you need on a handheld) don't even work. It's one very weird application.
I used to have a Nokia 9210 which had a Mocha telnet client that worked great for remote maintenance. I could do simple maintenance stuff whil on holiday.
I now have a Clie TG50 which is a great little tool with keyboard, color, bluetooth and all. I am very disappointed by the SSH software available too.
Mocha telnet for the Palm just crashes and Topgun SSH, well... The terminal emulator just sucks. Try to use vi on it!
I would have expected the popularity of the Palm platform to lead to a lot of good Ssh apps, but this doesn't seem to be the case so far.
It's not unusual for Americans to have a flawed view of what happens in Europe (the reverse is also true). GSM is not a government mandated standard. It was developed by a consortium of commercial companies.
As to subsidies, the Dutch KPN company had to pay the state hundreds of millions of dollars for a G3 license. In Germany they paid billions for the same license. Strange way to subsidize a company, don't you think?
As a result many telecom companies are currently in trouble because G3 services (and customers) have so far failed to materialize. The reason is probably that GSM and GPRS (aka G2.5) are 'good enough' for the moment.
I don't think GSM would have been as competitive if it had been pampered.
I don't know how they do it but I've been to many poor countries where lots of people seemed to be using cell phones. Maybe it's because the GSM market is very competitive that the services can be so cheap.
In Europe it is rare for a 14 year old kid not to have a GSM. I understand that the situation in the US is quite different.
BTW: the Forbes article that is linked doesn't even contain teh word 'phone'!
OK, I've got one, so I'll try to answer your questions:
The range of the remote control is about 8 metres I'd say. I don't use it much though.
I doubt if it affects the battery life doing short bursts of IR, but I haven't tested that.
The remote does not learn, it only supports 8 manufacturers.
The App is called Clie RMC, it's OK, but limited. No macro's.
The TG50 is pretty small and IMO very elegant. I love the mini keyboard. The battery lasts me a few days typically, but if I listen to MP3's a lot or chat with IRC over BT and GPRS it won't last more than a day.
The TG50 can handle memory stick PRO. There's a 1GB version out, but I have the 512 MB stick. It's required for many applications.
I hate graffitti, but people who like it generally don't seem to like the TG50.
The Iraq war reminds me of a surprisingly good movie called 'The Beast of War' I saw a while ago.
It's about a lone Russian tank and its crew being hunted by the Afghan resistance. I'm no big fan of war movies, but there's something about this one...
It only receives a 6.8 on IMDB, but look at the reviews.
I live in Holland and these cards have been in use for a few years already. Actually, if you want to park your car in my home city you are virtually required to get one of these cards (there's no other way to pay for the parking meters).
We do still have an intrest rate, unfortunately. (I've always wondered about mortgages in Japan).
The win-win was not entirely sarcastic, because there are not many disadvantages for consumers either. It *is* handy to have a cash-equivalent card that you can use quickly without PIN codes etc...
I've been a long time Nokia smartphone user (9110 and 9210) and I'm beginning to think very hard about abandoning the smartphone concept (Nokia is taking so long to announce the successor of the 9210 that I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same).
I just broke my 9210 for the second time, and I'm not sure if I'm going to fork out the cash to get it fixed again.
I've really found it very useful. I've used the PIM functions, IMAP email and ssh client a lot, but there are disadvantages to the smartphone concept.
These phones are big and expensive. The P800 may be a bit smaller than the 9210 but it's still big for a phone and it has not-so-great battery life. For me the lack of a keyboard is a big problem, I can't see myself doing ssh with a stylus...
If you break it (easy cuz you find yourself lugging it along where you should have taken a smaller, simpler phone instead) it's an expensive bugger to get fixed. They break easily because of the weight.
The big advantage is of course that you can share the PIM functions with the phone dialer and that you can dial out quickly for network access.
The late arrival of serious bluetooth devices takes the point out of the smart phones IMHO. I'm looking at buying a Sony-Ericsson T68i (Tri-band, Bluetooth, GPRS) in combination with the Sony TG50 PDA (Palm style but w/kbd and Bluetooth support).
This package will cost me as much as the 9210 or P800 and offer me the same functionality. I also have the option of leaving the PDA at home when I want to travel light.
And the TG50 looks *much* better than the ugly P800!
It's not very likely that people will start designing new humans just like that.
It's much more likely that this type of evolution will creep in slowly. People's embryos are already scanned for certain hereditary diseases when they are in a high risk group.
How far off is it before embryos will be routinely evaluated for heart & cancer risk later in life. Only the best embryo will be chosen to grow up.
This seems a logical step. It also seems logical that if you have several good quality boy embryos, you will choose the one that doesn't have the genes for early baldness.
There we go, man made evolution in progress.
I whish I could be around long enough to see where it all will end...
I work with a small Dutch ISP and we recently had the 'pleasure' to have to cooperate with an e-mail tap against one of our customers.
I was surprised to find that the people I dealt with hardly knew a thing about e-mail tapping. It took them more than a week to find out who was handling the customer's e-mail (no idea about mx records) and when we asked them where to forward the 'tapped' mail they came up with a 'free' e-mail address (say like a hotmail address).
The free e-mail box quickly filled up and started bouncing. If I hadn't fixed the envelope-sender addresses the whole thing would have been exposed. Maybe I shouldn't have done that...;-)
Anyway, I came up with the thought to regularly sen myself e-mails whith linked tags (an old spammer trick to see if a mail is actually being read) and monitor the link image to detect if anyone is reading my mail without my knowing it. The amateurs are using OE, so that should work pretty well.
I had a different but similarly disturbing experience recently. A domain I host has the same name as a fairly large ISP in a neighbouring country (just the tld is different). A spammer started sending floods of messages with made up rcpt (aaa@domain, aab@domain, etc) addresses to it.
The sender address was a similar auto-generated hotmail address. When I found out what was going on (on a sunday night) because the sysload went up, my mailqueue contained over 50000 undeliverable messages.
I blocked the sending address with an ip table rule and mailed the Irish ISP. The next morning the connection attempts were still bouncing of my firewall and the ISP never replied.
These guys are beginning to do more and more damage...
>>That's exactlty my point. They oughtta call it MINI-laptop or something. Still, if you're in tech support, does it have serial ports to use? I didnt look close at the pictures.>>
Apparently you feel that the word PDA should be limited to Palm-type pen devices.
Long time ago I used to have a HP 100LX (DOS handheld with keyboard) which was also called a PDA back then. There's nothing about a PDA that requires a pen interface.
I tried a Palm after my HP, but I never could get used to the slow way of inputting text with a pen. It must be me...
I agree that IMP installation is unnecessarily complicated (and so is sqwebmail, a free webmail that comes with courier).
I installed squirrelmail today inspired by this article and I must say that it was very simple indeed. Your observations about the imap servers required are not correct, the choices are:
cyrus = Cyrus IMAP server
uw = University of Washington's IMAP server
exchange = Microsoft Exchange IMAP server
courier = Courier IMAP server
macosx = Mac OS X Mailserver
other = Not one of the above servers
I see no real reason why it shouldn't work on others as long as they conform to the IMAP standard.
Your MTA requirement is obviously incorrect, since here the Squirrelmail choices are:
1. Sendmail
2. SMTP
The sendmail binary is provided by either qmail or sendmail and SMTP is supported by every MTA I ever heard of.
Custom writing a webmail client sounds like fun but do it for the right reasons...
You have to tell these Yanks what a communicator is or they won't know what you're on about:
http://www.nokia.com/phones/9210
I don't know about status symbols but I broke my 9210 after 9 months of travelling around the world and I felt pretty handicapped for the following 3 months. Now it's fixed and it's back in my back pocket looking a bit battered but available whenever I need it.
My main uses: - Phone - Address book - Calendar - EMail client (IMAP) - SSH client
The last one is by far the least used, but when you need it it's cool that it's there. I did some quick fixes from pretty strange locations.
Sign up with an ISP that's a member of GRIC ( http://www.gric.com ). This allows you to dial in anywhere (well almost) locally with a small per minute surcharge.
Try this:
http://pbs.gric.com/html/popfinder.html
I've been travelling the world for a year and I had local dialin access everywhere except Cambodia.
We use Netscape Messenger in combination with IMP for webmail, but I haven't noticed people using webmail while they're in the building. It's mostly used when away from home.
We require a mail-client that supports IMAP properly on windows clients. So we're basicly limited to Messenger and Outlook. People are already starting to ask for Outlook, and understandably so, because Messenger is not that great, really. I'm no Outlook/Windows advocate, you don't have to convince me...
I hate computer noise and cable clutter so I envision a home office where the computers (clients as well as servers) are stored in a seperate computerroom and where the kbds, monitors and mouses are all attached thru one of those KVM-over-cat5 type devices. Kinda like the way they do it in stock trading rooms.
And I would like a laptop that boots from the (wireless) network and has no noisy harddisk. I guess this is doable by running Linux on it...
Regards,
Xenna (stuck in a noisy room with cluttered cables)
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I have screen loaded from my bash profile, it makes no difference really.
Have you used TGssh? It's not as if you have a command line or anything. You get an input box to type your stuff in. So arrow-up and tab-completion (just what you need on a handheld) don't even work. It's one very weird application.
X.
I used to have a Nokia 9210 which had a Mocha telnet client that worked great for remote maintenance. I could do simple maintenance stuff whil on holiday.
I now have a Clie TG50 which is a great little tool with keyboard, color, bluetooth and all. I am very disappointed by the SSH software available too.
Mocha telnet for the Palm just crashes and Topgun SSH, well... The terminal emulator just sucks. Try to use vi on it!
I would have expected the popularity of the Palm platform to lead to a lot of good Ssh apps, but this doesn't seem to be the case so far.
Yeah, I know I should write one myself...
X.
Yeah right, as if we Europeans agree about anything. Speak for yourself please.
There's a lot to like & dislike about the US and there's a lot to like & dislike about Europe too.
I don't like euro-socialism one bit and I agree with the American/British invasion in Iraq and I'm still a European.
X.
It's not unusual for Americans to have a flawed view of what happens in Europe (the reverse is also true). GSM is not a government mandated standard. It was developed by a consortium of commercial companies.
As to subsidies, the Dutch KPN company had to pay the state hundreds of millions of dollars for a G3 license. In Germany they paid billions for the same license. Strange way to subsidize a company, don't you think?
As a result many telecom companies are currently in trouble because G3 services (and customers) have so far failed to materialize. The reason is probably that GSM and GPRS (aka G2.5) are 'good enough' for the moment.
I don't think GSM would have been as competitive if it had been pampered.
X.
One question: How much do you pay per MegaByte?
That'll probably stop you from using wireless broadband for the moment.
X.
(I pay almost $3/MB for 33kbps GPRS service)
I don't know how they do it but I've been to many poor countries where lots of people seemed to be using cell phones. Maybe it's because the GSM market is very competitive that the services can be so cheap.
In Europe it is rare for a 14 year old kid not to have a GSM. I understand that the situation in the US is quite different.
BTW: the Forbes article that is linked doesn't even contain teh word 'phone'!
OK, I've got one, so I'll try to answer your questions:
h p? forumid=64
The range of the remote control is about 8 metres I'd say. I don't use it much though.
I doubt if it affects the battery life doing short bursts of IR, but I haven't tested that.
The remote does not learn, it only supports 8 manufacturers.
The App is called Clie RMC, it's OK, but limited. No macro's.
The TG50 is pretty small and IMO very elegant. I love the mini keyboard. The battery lasts me a few days typically, but if I listen to MP3's a lot or chat with IRC over BT and GPRS it won't last more than a day.
The TG50 can handle memory stick PRO. There's a 1GB version out, but I have the 512 MB stick. It's required for many applications.
I hate graffitti, but people who like it generally don't seem to like the TG50.
Try here for more info:
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/forumdisplay.p
I agree about the disadvantages of memory sticks, but it's teh only PDA with kbd & Bluetooth that I could find, so...
X.
Strange, my Garmin Etrex Vista has shown the groundspeed at various occasions while in a plane.
Mod parent up or I'll never read Slashdot again...
Cum on guys, you *know* this don't you???
This is taught in American schools?
The Iraq war reminds me of a surprisingly good movie called 'The Beast of War' I saw a while ago.
It's about a lone Russian tank and its crew being hunted by the Afghan resistance. I'm no big fan of war movies, but there's something about this one...
It only receives a 6.8 on IMDB, but look at the reviews.
You should try clicking on your own links:
;-)
It says...
Network:
GSM 1800
GSM 900
GSM 1900
O wait, I see, you want three US bands? I guess my post was a little EU-centric. (makes a change for the usual US-centric stuff
The 1900 bands are used for GSM in the US, while the two others are used anywhere else AFAIK.
Xenna
I live in Holland and these cards have been in use for a few years already. Actually, if you want to park your car in my home city you are virtually required to get one of these cards (there's no other way to pay for the parking meters).
We do still have an intrest rate, unfortunately. (I've always wondered about mortgages in Japan).
The win-win was not entirely sarcastic, because there are not many disadvantages for consumers either. It *is* handy to have a cash-equivalent card that you can use quickly without PIN codes etc...
Xenna
I've been a long time Nokia smartphone user (9110 and 9210) and I'm beginning to think very hard about abandoning the smartphone concept (Nokia is taking so long to announce the successor of the 9210 that I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same).
I just broke my 9210 for the second time, and I'm not sure if I'm going to fork out the cash to get it fixed again.
I've really found it very useful. I've used the PIM functions, IMAP email and ssh client a lot, but there are disadvantages to the smartphone concept.
These phones are big and expensive. The P800 may be a bit smaller than the 9210 but it's still big for a phone and it has not-so-great battery life. For me the lack of a keyboard is a big problem, I can't see myself doing ssh with a stylus...
If you break it (easy cuz you find yourself lugging it along where you should have taken a smaller, simpler phone instead) it's an expensive bugger to get fixed. They break easily because of the weight.
The big advantage is of course that you can share the PIM functions with the phone dialer and that you can dial out quickly for network access.
The late arrival of serious bluetooth devices takes the point out of the smart phones IMHO. I'm looking at buying a Sony-Ericsson T68i (Tri-band, Bluetooth, GPRS) in combination with the Sony TG50 PDA (Palm style but w/kbd and Bluetooth support).
This package will cost me as much as the 9210 or P800 and offer me the same functionality. I also have the option of leaving the PDA at home when I want to travel light.
And the TG50 looks *much* better than the ugly P800!
Not a bad option I think...
Xenna
Now the banks can actually collect interest on the money in your pocket!
If you lose your card and noone else finds it, the money goes to the banks as well!
A win-win situation!
X.
It's not very likely that people will start designing new humans just like that.
It's much more likely that this type of evolution will creep in slowly. People's embryos are already scanned for certain hereditary diseases when they are in a high risk group.
How far off is it before embryos will be routinely evaluated for heart & cancer risk later in life. Only the best embryo will be chosen to grow up.
This seems a logical step. It also seems logical that if you have several good quality boy embryos, you will choose the one that doesn't have the genes for early baldness.
There we go, man made evolution in progress.
I whish I could be around long enough to see where it all will end...
I work with a small Dutch ISP and we recently had the 'pleasure' to have to cooperate with an e-mail tap against one of our customers.
;-)
I was surprised to find that the people I dealt with hardly knew a thing about e-mail tapping. It took them more than a week to find out who was handling the customer's e-mail (no idea about mx records) and when we asked them where to forward the 'tapped' mail they came up with a 'free' e-mail address (say like a hotmail address).
The free e-mail box quickly filled up and started bouncing. If I hadn't fixed the envelope-sender addresses the whole thing would have been exposed. Maybe I shouldn't have done that...
Anyway, I came up with the thought to regularly sen myself e-mails whith linked tags (an old spammer trick to see if a mail is actually being read) and monitor the link image to detect if anyone is reading my mail without my knowing it. The amateurs are using OE, so that should work pretty well.
Xenna.
I had a different but similarly disturbing experience recently. A domain I host has the same name as a fairly large ISP in a neighbouring country (just the tld is different). A spammer started sending floods of messages with made up rcpt (aaa@domain, aab@domain, etc) addresses to it.
The sender address was a similar auto-generated hotmail address. When I found out what was going on (on a sunday night) because the sysload went up, my mailqueue contained over 50000 undeliverable messages.
I blocked the sending address with an ip table rule and mailed the Irish ISP. The next morning the connection attempts were still bouncing of my firewall and the ISP never replied.
These guys are beginning to do more and more damage...
Xenna
>>That's exactlty my point. They oughtta call it MINI-laptop or something. Still, if you're in tech support, does it have serial ports to use? I didnt look close at the pictures.>>
Apparently you feel that the word PDA should be limited to Palm-type pen devices.
Long time ago I used to have a HP 100LX (DOS handheld with keyboard) which was also called a PDA back then. There's nothing about a PDA that requires a pen interface.
I tried a Palm after my HP, but I never could get used to the slow way of inputting text with a pen. It must be me...
Xenna
I agree that IMP installation is unnecessarily complicated (and so is sqwebmail, a free webmail that comes with courier).
I installed squirrelmail today inspired by this article and I must say that it was very simple indeed. Your observations about the imap servers required are not correct, the choices are:
cyrus = Cyrus IMAP server
uw = University of Washington's IMAP server
exchange = Microsoft Exchange IMAP server
courier = Courier IMAP server
macosx = Mac OS X Mailserver
other = Not one of the above servers
I see no real reason why it shouldn't work on others as long as they conform to the IMAP standard.
Your MTA requirement is obviously incorrect, since here the Squirrelmail choices are:
1. Sendmail
2. SMTP
The sendmail binary is provided by either qmail or sendmail and SMTP is supported by every MTA I ever heard of.
Custom writing a webmail client sounds like fun but do it for the right reasons...
Qmail has the handy feature that any user can define his own sub mail adresses.
So, if my mail address would be xenna@xenna.com, I could give out the address xenna-netop@xenna.com which would land in my mailbox (unless filtered).
So Qmail saves you from getting your own domain in order to accomplish this...
Regards,
Xenna
Didn't know that. I installed it right away.
Good news, now if Nokia would only include a | key on the keyboard...
Thanks.
You have to tell these Yanks what a communicator is or they won't know what you're on about:
http://www.nokia.com/phones/9210
I don't know about status symbols but I broke my 9210 after 9 months of travelling around the world and I felt pretty handicapped for the following 3 months. Now it's fixed and it's back in my back pocket looking a bit battered but available whenever I need it.
My main uses:
- Phone
- Address book
- Calendar
- EMail client (IMAP)
- SSH client
The last one is by far the least used, but when you need it it's cool that it's there. I did some quick fixes from pretty strange locations.
Regards,
Xenna
Sign up with an ISP that's a member of GRIC ( http://www.gric.com ). This allows you to dial in anywhere (well almost) locally with a small per minute surcharge.
Try this:
http://pbs.gric.com/html/popfinder.html
I've been travelling the world for a year and I had local dialin access everywhere except Cambodia.
Regards,
Xenna
We use Netscape Messenger in combination with IMP for webmail, but I haven't noticed people using webmail while they're in the building. It's mostly used when away from home.
We require a mail-client that supports IMAP properly on windows clients. So we're basicly limited to Messenger and Outlook. People are already starting to ask for Outlook, and understandably so, because Messenger is not that great, really. I'm no Outlook/Windows advocate, you don't have to convince me...
Regards,
Peek
I hate computer noise and cable clutter so I envision a home office where the computers (clients as well as servers) are stored in a seperate computerroom and where the kbds, monitors and mouses are all attached thru one of those KVM-over-cat5 type devices. Kinda like the way they do it in stock trading rooms.
And I would like a laptop that boots from the (wireless) network and has no noisy harddisk. I guess this is doable by running Linux on it...
Regards,
Xenna (stuck in a noisy room with cluttered cables)