No, you need to get a clue. If I use it, I am bound by law - not just copyright law but the whole body of law, including contracts. If a court rules that the GPL is a contract of adhesion and that some of the terms are unenforceable, then those parts of the license are simply null and void. It's as if they never existed.
Eban Moglen doesn't like that the rest of the world isn't the United States. Well, that's just too damned bad for him. Also, there is no proof that abandoning the GPL for an open license like MIT or BSD would harm free software - look at how much code Apple continues to kick back to the FreeBSD project.
So, pointing out that Christians historically have been just as violent as ISIS, and that certain christian groups still actively promote the idea of "kill the gays", same as ISIS, is now promoting hate, intolerance and fear? That's pretty warped thinking.
I'll certainly acknowledge only a minority of Muslims living in the West would truly (or at least openly) hate you for no other reason than who you are, but Muslims in the West are certainly not representative of the rest of the world. You said you live in the real world? Are you sure?
Iran is the world's #1 capital for sex change surgery. Transsexuals have the approval of the Ayatollah, who issued a fatwa saying so. Last I looked, Iran was a Muslim country. So yes, I'm pretty sure.
In an idiotic country made up of chickens scared of their own shadow, yes. In a civilized and mature society no. You are trying to normalized a behavior that is simply unacceptable.
We're not talking the US, where everyone is so afraid of gun violence that everyone feels they need a gun to protect themselves from everyone else who feels the need to have a gun to protect themselves from everyone else who has a gun...:-)
Maybe he's confusing it with all the men on GRINDR who say to their wives that they're not gay? There are enough politicians getting caught to make it hard to keep it all straight:-)
The Michigan Womyn's Music Festival had its final event last year. It's dead. One more group of TERFs turfed.
Now if any pharmacy tries to stigmatize you for your meds, there's a simple solution - report them to the head office. You can be sure it will stop damned fast. And in the meantime, if part of rape culture is about feeling guilty, that part can also be dealt with - refuse to feel guilty. Don't accept the stigma. Ultimately, the only person who can make you feel guilty is yourself, if you allow yourself to buy into their mindset that you *should* feel guilty.
Feminism is going to slowly die out. 60% of all university graduates are women. That is 50% more women than men. As they work their way up in the professions and the old guard dies off, men are going to become the minority at every level. Men, on the other hand, are not entering the professions in anywhere near the same numbers, which means that the imbalance in incomes will tilt towards women as the non-professional jobs see more competition for fewer posts thanks to increased automation.
It's not going to happen tomorrow, or this decade, but it IS going to happen, and it's too late to stop it.:-)
This is absolutely NOT about the systematic patriarchal oppression of women. It's about the systematic financial exploitation of men via bots.
Also, who says that every guy on the site was married? Or even real?
As a society we've already decided that consensual sex between two or more adults is their business. Not yours. Not mine. Not the governments.
Not only does the website promote the exploitation (rape) of sex workers, by promoting the idea of illicit and decietful "affairs" it also denies couples the agency of exploriing open, non-binary, non-monogamous, and especially homosexual, pansexual and transsexual expieriences.
This is utter nonsense. A web site that promotes consensual sex is not promoting the exploitation of sex workers. To the contrary, pimps are probably the ones who would benefit the most if such sites were shut down. And certainly this doesn't prevent people from "exploriing open, non-binary, non-monogamous, and especially homosexual, pansexual and transsexual experiences." To the contrary, it promotes non-monogamous experiences. And there is an overwhelming abundance of apps and other web sites that allow people to get their kicks in all the other ways listed. So it doesn't actively promote these... so what? That's like saying that a hardware store is bad because it doesn't promote vegan food. Or that a men's clothing store is oppressive because it doesn't sell women's clothes.
Besides, people were already exploring all these alternatives long before the internet. Closing down the whole internet won't stop any of it.
But the worst part? To say "The Government needs to step in and protect women from monstrous internet sites like this" is to say that women aren't able to manage their own affairs (pun intended) and need big brother to step in. Now THAT reinforces patriarchal stereotypes... and it's more than a bit insulting.
Actually, many partners are looking for an excuse to not have to deal with it, and would prefer to be lied to, even though they are quite aware of what happened, and are privately resolving to do their part in making things better.
And your moral compass is likely to take a beating when you truthfully answer questions like "Does this dress make me look fat?"
Relationships are like many other parts of life - complicated.
Maybe you should move to Salem, Massachusetts, and bring back witch burning while you're at it...
If you're so hot and bothered with other people's lives and think that they deserve to be punished, then GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND REPORT THEM. The data is all there, free for you to access.
Of course, the only thing that would happen if you made a big stink about it is that the whole internet would laugh at you - kind of like what's happening here today, but more...
Funny, Ive never cheated, but I managed to outgrow the "holier than thou" attitude when I disavowed Christianity and returned to being an atheist.
It's attitudes like yours that make it so easy to blackmail people. Ditto for inflaming the situation in individual cases rather than trying to work out a solution that's in the best interests of everyone. In other words, self-righteous assholes like you are a big part of the problem.
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Quite frankly, screw everyone all around in this ordeal. It's disgusting we're still talking about this.
it makes me ask if you're secretly a masochist, because if you're so disgusted about it, why are YOU still talking about it? You obviously get off on it, so you might just as well stop being a hypocrite and admit it....
Guess what - the GPL imposes obligations if you accept the code. That's a contract between two parties in most places. Don't want it to be a contract - then don't impose any limitations, duh! Also, licensing agreements are contracts. Saying you don't have to accept it is as silly as saying you don't have to buy a car - it doesn't change the fact that if a contract (gratuitous or onerous) has been formed.
The GPL until version 3 has no such "permanent revocation." And let's face it, adoption of the GPL3 is not exactly going anywhere fast, especially since it can't be imposed on existing nor new GPL2 code after the fact. So really, you are the one that doesn't have a clue.
Moral of the story - don't be a freetard, use the BSD or MIT license and avoid all this stupid arguing in the first place, because the GPL is a far more restrictive license. Which is what this all started up with. No headaches, no fuss, no stupid arguments over Mr Footcheese Eater's brain fart.
Lets see - Jesus never condemned slavery (how hard is it to say "You can't own people!"). Paul encouraged slaves to stay slaves if they couldn't convince their owner to free them, rather than rebel. And of course, Paul also roundly condemned gays, same as many christians do today "in the name of jesus."
As for "At no point does God tell Christians to kill their enemies.", Jesus said (Matthew 10) "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Skip forward to Revelation and find out just how cruel the "lamb of god" can be. Bloodthirsty bastard (in both senses).
First, I am standing up against ignorance and hate, which Christians have a 2000 year history of indulging in. Pointing out the emperor has no clothes (or that Christianity has a long history of intolerance) is stating the facts, unlike the fairy tales christians have used to justify their mistreatment of others for two millennia.
And I certainly have not defended islam by pointing out that christians used to do what ISIS does today.
When you write:
a lot of Christians will condemn you and actively try to ostracize you because of what you are. As for Muslims, the majority of them on this planet will support your murder. You choose.
You need to buy a clue. They know what I am, and none of my Muslim friends would support my murder. You're pushing a very limited stereotype. And Christians actively ostracizing me? The majority wouldn't - but that doesn't mean that the bigoted minority shouldn't be called out on it. So I'm pretty good with either choice (maybe because I live in the real world instead of Faux News?)
No, it's not irrrelevant. There is a specific agenda against LGBT in much of the Christian community, as promoted by American Pentacostal missionaries in Uganda (who supported the death penalty for gays) and various pastors in the US.
Not all muslims are throwing gays off buildings, does that mean we should overlook those in ISIS that do? Of course not.
Just taking what you said and showing how silly it was. I'll repeat your comment:
"as far as I am aware even the old testament doesnt tell Christians to torture unbelievers or to treat women like cattle.
As I pointed out, this was a totally ignorant comment to make, since there were no christians at that time.
then you say Christians are bad because what the old testament says.
Paul (new testament writer, see 1 Cor.21-24) continued to condone slavery. His words were used to justify slavery for centuries. You can't ignore the last 2,000 years either.
And I notice you have no response to my remark about Christian leaders persecution of gays and lesbians, which called for the death penalty in places as diverse as Uganda and the United States. Ted Cruz doesn't mind it, and neither do Huckabee or Jindal.
Also, when you write "As to bringing up support for repealing gay sex or whatever, thats an obvious emotional strawman that is completely irrelevant to the actual argument.", you seem to have missed that Paul also attacked gays (Romans 1:26-27). Certainly it's relevant when showing that Christians aren't all sweetness and light, and never have been since the earliest days of Christianity.
Also, you have no reply
Christianity still is promoting murder in Africa, with government support. Christianity is still fighting against gay, lesbian, and transsexual rights, and also promoting violence against lgbt. Christians are still promoting hate, intolerance, and fear based on the bible, even to the level of the presidential race.
The bibie:
One Book to rule them all,
One Book to find them,
One Book to bring them all,
And in the darkness bind them.
Saying that someone else is worse nowadays is not an excuse.
What part of "There is still no hardware" don't you get? So there is still no open-source GPU here, contrary to the headline "Open-Source GPU Used For Research". It should have read Simulation of open-source gpu design used for research.
The counted actually went on the ground and investigated - you know, a whole bunch of cases that the FBI had no record of. Read the articles and you'll find whole counties that engage in white-washing police murders and never report them to the state, never mind to the FBI. It is known that the FBI data is skewed from self-selection. Argue all you want, but you're still wrong.
No, it's up to the JUDGE to decide if you're complying the the terms, or if the terms are excessive. Also, any offer and acceptance create a contract - same as any other license. The FSF lawyers can piss up a rope trying to defend a distinction without a difference. Both confer rights and obligations on the parties, and the courts are the place to decide whether any individual term is excessive - see contract of adhesion (contracts and licenses are treated the same here).:-)
Also, if they revoke the license,so what? Just download a new copy and you receive a new license, as per the terms of the GPL. Like I said, this is not a license for the 21st century.
"as far as I am aware even the old testament doesnt tell Christians to torture unbelievers or to treat women like cattle." Wow, just wow. There were no christians during old testament times.
From your first link:
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text
Really? The numerous Christians who are supporting candidates who want to repeal gay sex, force transsexuals into the wrong bathroom (a risky proposition), and even put a bounty on the heads of gays don't exist?
If you had bothered to red the old testament, you would have already found the sections where god commanded his people to kill the non-believers, and take their wives and children into slavery. And the part where the tribe of Benjamin was told it's okay to raid the other tribes to capture their own wife. Sounds every bit as bad as ISIL.
If you go to the web site and actually read the article, you'll see that there's no hardware - it's just a "synthesizable gpu architectural model that you can download from github". This is just about modeling a gpu architecture, and seeing how the simulated model can be improved. Considering the cost of fabbing a one-off piece of silicon,...
The paper, "Nyami: A Synthesizable GPU Architectural Model for General-Purpose and Graphics-Specific Workloads" appeared in International Symposium on Performance Analysis of Systems and Software
Now you know why there are no pictures. "Pics or it didn't happen":-)
Did you see the article where the police department charged $36,000 for video because they had to audit it? Do you have any idea of how much it would cost to "audit" all the code in a distro to make sure it was in compliance, etc? That's going to cost into the 7 figures, and take a LOOOONG time. That's reasonable, because you don't want to accidentally distribute something not to code:-)
The GPL is too vague to stand up in many jurisdictions. As I said before.
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No, you need to get a clue. If I use it, I am bound by law - not just copyright law but the whole body of law, including contracts. If a court rules that the GPL is a contract of adhesion and that some of the terms are unenforceable, then those parts of the license are simply null and void. It's as if they never existed.
A license is a form of contract in many places. Even your driver's license is a contract.
Eban Moglen doesn't like that the rest of the world isn't the United States. Well, that's just too damned bad for him. Also, there is no proof that abandoning the GPL for an open license like MIT or BSD would harm free software - look at how much code Apple continues to kick back to the FreeBSD project.
I'll certainly acknowledge only a minority of Muslims living in the West would truly (or at least openly) hate you for no other reason than who you are, but Muslims in the West are certainly not representative of the rest of the world. You said you live in the real world? Are you sure?
Iran is the world's #1 capital for sex change surgery. Transsexuals have the approval of the Ayatollah, who issued a fatwa saying so. Last I looked, Iran was a Muslim country. So yes, I'm pretty sure.
In an idiotic country made up of chickens scared of their own shadow, yes. In a civilized and mature society no. You are trying to normalized a behavior that is simply unacceptable.
We're not talking the US, where everyone is so afraid of gun violence that everyone feels they need a gun to protect themselves from everyone else who feels the need to have a gun to protect themselves from everyone else who has a gun ... :-)
Maybe he's confusing it with all the men on GRINDR who say to their wives that they're not gay? There are enough politicians getting caught to make it hard to keep it all straight :-)
The Michigan Womyn's Music Festival had its final event last year. It's dead. One more group of TERFs turfed.
Now if any pharmacy tries to stigmatize you for your meds, there's a simple solution - report them to the head office. You can be sure it will stop damned fast. And in the meantime, if part of rape culture is about feeling guilty, that part can also be dealt with - refuse to feel guilty. Don't accept the stigma. Ultimately, the only person who can make you feel guilty is yourself, if you allow yourself to buy into their mindset that you *should* feel guilty.
Feminism is going to slowly die out. 60% of all university graduates are women. That is 50% more women than men. As they work their way up in the professions and the old guard dies off, men are going to become the minority at every level. Men, on the other hand, are not entering the professions in anywhere near the same numbers, which means that the imbalance in incomes will tilt towards women as the non-professional jobs see more competition for fewer posts thanks to increased automation.
It's not going to happen tomorrow, or this decade, but it IS going to happen, and it's too late to stop it. :-)
This is absolutely NOT about the systematic patriarchal oppression of women. It's about the systematic financial exploitation of men via bots.
Also, who says that every guy on the site was married? Or even real?
As a society we've already decided that consensual sex between two or more adults is their business. Not yours. Not mine. Not the governments.
Not only does the website promote the exploitation (rape) of sex workers, by promoting the idea of illicit and decietful "affairs" it also denies couples the agency of exploriing open, non-binary, non-monogamous, and especially homosexual, pansexual and transsexual expieriences.
This is utter nonsense. A web site that promotes consensual sex is not promoting the exploitation of sex workers. To the contrary, pimps are probably the ones who would benefit the most if such sites were shut down. And certainly this doesn't prevent people from "exploriing open, non-binary, non-monogamous, and especially homosexual, pansexual and transsexual experiences." To the contrary, it promotes non-monogamous experiences. And there is an overwhelming abundance of apps and other web sites that allow people to get their kicks in all the other ways listed. So it doesn't actively promote these ... so what? That's like saying that a hardware store is bad because it doesn't promote vegan food. Or that a men's clothing store is oppressive because it doesn't sell women's clothes.
Besides, people were already exploring all these alternatives long before the internet. Closing down the whole internet won't stop any of it.
But the worst part? To say "The Government needs to step in and protect women from monstrous internet sites like this" is to say that women aren't able to manage their own affairs (pun intended) and need big brother to step in. Now THAT reinforces patriarchal stereotypes ... and it's more than a bit insulting.
Actually, many partners are looking for an excuse to not have to deal with it, and would prefer to be lied to, even though they are quite aware of what happened, and are privately resolving to do their part in making things better.
And your moral compass is likely to take a beating when you truthfully answer questions like "Does this dress make me look fat?"
Relationships are like many other parts of life - complicated.
Maybe you should move to Salem, Massachusetts, and bring back witch burning while you're at it ...
If you're so hot and bothered with other people's lives and think that they deserve to be punished, then GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND REPORT THEM. The data is all there, free for you to access.
Of course, the only thing that would happen if you made a big stink about it is that the whole internet would laugh at you - kind of like what's happening here today, but more ...
Funny, Ive never cheated, but I managed to outgrow the "holier than thou" attitude when I disavowed Christianity and returned to being an atheist.
It's attitudes like yours that make it so easy to blackmail people. Ditto for inflaming the situation in individual cases rather than trying to work out a solution that's in the best interests of everyone. In other words, self-righteous assholes like you are a big part of the problem.
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Quite frankly, screw everyone all around in this ordeal. It's disgusting we're still talking about this.
it makes me ask if you're secretly a masochist, because if you're so disgusted about it, why are YOU still talking about it? You obviously get off on it, so you might just as well stop being a hypocrite and admit it ....
Also, try to get your facts straight - he didn't say anything.
Guess what - the GPL imposes obligations if you accept the code. That's a contract between two parties in most places. Don't want it to be a contract - then don't impose any limitations, duh! Also, licensing agreements are contracts. Saying you don't have to accept it is as silly as saying you don't have to buy a car - it doesn't change the fact that if a contract (gratuitous or onerous) has been formed.
The GPL until version 3 has no such "permanent revocation." And let's face it, adoption of the GPL3 is not exactly going anywhere fast, especially since it can't be imposed on existing nor new GPL2 code after the fact. So really, you are the one that doesn't have a clue.
Moral of the story - don't be a freetard, use the BSD or MIT license and avoid all this stupid arguing in the first place, because the GPL is a far more restrictive license. Which is what this all started up with. No headaches, no fuss, no stupid arguments over Mr Footcheese Eater's brain fart.
Lets see - Jesus never condemned slavery (how hard is it to say "You can't own people!"). Paul encouraged slaves to stay slaves if they couldn't convince their owner to free them, rather than rebel. And of course, Paul also roundly condemned gays, same as many christians do today "in the name of jesus."
As for "At no point does God tell Christians to kill their enemies.", Jesus said (Matthew 10) "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Skip forward to Revelation and find out just how cruel the "lamb of god" can be. Bloodthirsty bastard (in both senses).
First, I am standing up against ignorance and hate, which Christians have a 2000 year history of indulging in. Pointing out the emperor has no clothes (or that Christianity has a long history of intolerance) is stating the facts, unlike the fairy tales christians have used to justify their mistreatment of others for two millennia.
And I certainly have not defended islam by pointing out that christians used to do what ISIS does today.
When you write:
a lot of Christians will condemn you and actively try to ostracize you because of what you are. As for Muslims, the majority of them on this planet will support your murder. You choose.
You need to buy a clue. They know what I am, and none of my Muslim friends would support my murder. You're pushing a very limited stereotype. And Christians actively ostracizing me? The majority wouldn't - but that doesn't mean that the bigoted minority shouldn't be called out on it. So I'm pretty good with either choice (maybe because I live in the real world instead of Faux News?)
Not all muslims are throwing gays off buildings, does that mean we should overlook those in ISIS that do? Of course not.
"as far as I am aware even the old testament doesnt tell Christians to torture unbelievers or to treat women like cattle.
As I pointed out, this was a totally ignorant comment to make, since there were no christians at that time.
then you say Christians are bad because what the old testament says.
Paul (new testament writer, see 1 Cor.21-24) continued to condone slavery. His words were used to justify slavery for centuries. You can't ignore the last 2,000 years either.
And I notice you have no response to my remark about Christian leaders persecution of gays and lesbians, which called for the death penalty in places as diverse as Uganda and the United States. Ted Cruz doesn't mind it, and neither do Huckabee or Jindal.
Also, when you write "As to bringing up support for repealing gay sex or whatever, thats an obvious emotional strawman that is completely irrelevant to the actual argument.", you seem to have missed that Paul also attacked gays (Romans 1:26-27). Certainly it's relevant when showing that Christians aren't all sweetness and light, and never have been since the earliest days of Christianity. Also, you have no reply
Christianity still is promoting murder in Africa, with government support. Christianity is still fighting against gay, lesbian, and transsexual rights, and also promoting violence against lgbt. Christians are still promoting hate, intolerance, and fear based on the bible, even to the level of the presidential race.
The bibie:
One Book to rule them all,
One Book to find them,
One Book to bring them all,
And in the darkness bind them.
Saying that someone else is worse nowadays is not an excuse.
What part of "There is still no hardware" don't you get? So there is still no open-source GPU here, contrary to the headline "Open-Source GPU Used For Research". It should have read Simulation of open-source gpu design used for research.
The counted actually went on the ground and investigated - you know, a whole bunch of cases that the FBI had no record of. Read the articles and you'll find whole counties that engage in white-washing police murders and never report them to the state, never mind to the FBI. It is known that the FBI data is skewed from self-selection. Argue all you want, but you're still wrong.
No, it's up to the JUDGE to decide if you're complying the the terms, or if the terms are excessive. Also, any offer and acceptance create a contract - same as any other license. The FSF lawyers can piss up a rope trying to defend a distinction without a difference. Both confer rights and obligations on the parties, and the courts are the place to decide whether any individual term is excessive - see contract of adhesion (contracts and licenses are treated the same here). :-)
Also, if they revoke the license,so what? Just download a new copy and you receive a new license, as per the terms of the GPL. Like I said, this is not a license for the 21st century.
From your first link:
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text
Really? The numerous Christians who are supporting candidates who want to repeal gay sex, force transsexuals into the wrong bathroom (a risky proposition), and even put a bounty on the heads of gays don't exist?
If you had bothered to red the old testament, you would have already found the sections where god commanded his people to kill the non-believers, and take their wives and children into slavery. And the part where the tribe of Benjamin was told it's okay to raid the other tribes to capture their own wife. Sounds every bit as bad as ISIL.
You seem to forget that Christians had a centuries-long head start in barbarism, torture, etc.
Writing that you live in a terrorist house is not even a little bit suspect?
Then why did you respond? :-)
If you go to the web site and actually read the article, you'll see that there's no hardware - it's just a "synthesizable gpu architectural model that you can download from github". This is just about modeling a gpu architecture, and seeing how the simulated model can be improved. Considering the cost of fabbing a one-off piece of silicon, ...
The paper, "Nyami: A Synthesizable GPU Architectural Model for General-Purpose and Graphics-Specific Workloads" appeared in International Symposium on Performance Analysis of Systems and Software
Now you know why there are no pictures. "Pics or it didn't happen" :-)
Did you see the article where the police department charged $36,000 for video because they had to audit it? Do you have any idea of how much it would cost to "audit" all the code in a distro to make sure it was in compliance, etc? That's going to cost into the 7 figures, and take a LOOOONG time. That's reasonable, because you don't want to accidentally distribute something not to code :-)
The GPL is too vague to stand up in many jurisdictions. As I said before.