Again, you claimed that nobody can force you to serve anyone. I proved that, legally, this is wrong.
This argument has nothing to do with whether do serve them IRL, so please stop confounding the two.
If you were to decide tomorrow to change your stance (people do change their minds) and stop providing services to protected groups, you could be forced to.
Here is a perfect example of your bogus reasoning:
You need me to acknowledge that the state has this power over my personal choice, even though it would not change my personal choice. I don't acknowledge that power, because it does not exist, because the law does not make me change my actions or choices.
Just because you always, say, obey the speed limit doesn't mean that the state doesn't have the power to enforce speed limits on you or anyone else.
Or drivers licenses. Just because you have a drivers license doesn't mean that the police can't stop you to check if you have a valid drivers license. Or just because you don't drive drunk doesn't mean the police can't pull you over and demand a breathalyser test.
The references provide a shared framework and a starting-point for humor that is generally enjoyable by most "geeks" or "nerds".
So, if you are not enjoying it, then the inference is obvious. So, kindly turn-in your Geek Card now, and leave the rest of us to enjoy our drivel.
That is so last-century. Now that the government wants everyone to get into STEM, having a Geek Card is no longer cool. It ranks right down there with hipsters, both of which are still slightly above being Mike Pence.
You made a very specific claim - "I own a business. I am a business man. I decide who my potential customers are, and who I don't accept as customers. No one can make that choice for me.
I've provided one example where that is absolutely not true. In other words, your statement was a lie. If you have a problem being proven wrong, that's your problem, not mine.:-)
Infants can see their parents faces, though not much further than that.
Also, I wrote that it's for the father to bond with the child, not vice versa. And just holding them and rocking them to sleep helps form that bond. Also, babies need attention at all hours of the day and night - wet diapers wait for no-one. And babies make for a LOT of laundry.
Then there's the hidden assumption in your question - that the man's job is more important economically to the family than the woman's. That's not a safe bet any more.
If I choose not to, no one can force me to give that service. Not the state
The state certainly can when they choose to. Read Title III of the Americans With Disabilities Act. It applies to refusing service to anyone with a disability offering "public accomodations", which includes stores, BAKERIES (because people keep using that as an example), movie theatres, etc.
So, if you owned a bakery and refused service (or charged an inordinate price) to someone who was so disabled, they will certainly force you - or put you out of business.
Even many of the states that passed similar laws as Indiana, except that you cannot use religion as an excuse to discriminate against LGBT and other minority groups.
If he wanted to screw with stuff, the seeds are already planted and will go off after he's gone. And if he hasn't wanted to screw up stuff, don't give him a reason to regret that decision by treating him in a dick way.
No more than you did:-) Read exactly what I wrote.
Then please put up a sign to let the public know. You'll see how many non-LGBT citizens will consider you a bigot and hater.
in response to this bs argument:
I own a business. I am a business man. I decide who my potential customers are, and who I don't accept as customers. No one can make that choice for me.
When you are offering your services to the public, it's no longer a private affair. Examples - you need to charge sales and other taxes, conform to zoning bylaws, etc., to run the business. You do not get to decide if you want to conform with the rules or not.
Nobody is saying that you "owe" them your services that's a complete strawman argument. They have to pay for it, same as everyone else. The point being, that when you offer your services to the public, you can't pick and choose who can and cannot buy them on an arbitrary basis that has nothing to do with safety or the larger public interest. If it's legal to sell to them, you better sell to them.
I never said you don't. Just put up a sign discriminating against blacks, mexicans, asians, whatever, and watch how many LGBT citizens will consider you a bigot and a hater. We support the rights of other minorities who are discriminated against.
Mike Pence was asked many times by ABC if it would allow discrimination based on sexual orientation, and all he gave were non-answers.. Also, it's a lie to call his bill "the same as other states", when other states have laws preventing discrimination against LGBT. Indiana has no such protective laws, and Pence is opposed to them.
The only way that can happen is to completely tamp out any social mores that say that being gay is wrong.
The belief that being gay is wrong is just a social belief. No scientific proof. There are hundreds of species that do the same-sex thing. Heck, when a dog is horny, he'll hump anything of any sex or species that he can get his paws around. If you choose to be offended by what most people feel is normal behavior, you might have a problem. Part of that is probably from the realization that you're no longer in the majority.
It is ironic that the CA situation means a baker would have to create a cake that endorses a KKK wedding and the IN law would allow the baker to decline and people think IN is the problem.
People keep throwing cakes about the KKK - proof that it's actually been a problem of you're full of it.
A free market solution never worked in the Jim Crow south and it wont work now.
Uhm you realize that the buses wanted to allow blacks because they wanted their business right? The Jim Crow shit was a product of THE GOVERNMENT that you worship so dearly. If it had been up to the buses, blacks and whites would have been equal.
Riiiight... and the bus drivers never made them sit in the back or give up their seat for a white person. They wanted the money, but they didn't deliver the same level of service because they were bigots
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ABS doesn't work in all driving conditions.
Again, you claimed that nobody can force you to serve anyone. I proved that, legally, this is wrong.
This argument has nothing to do with whether do serve them IRL, so please stop confounding the two.
If you were to decide tomorrow to change your stance (people do change their minds) and stop providing services to protected groups, you could be forced to.
Here is a perfect example of your bogus reasoning:
You need me to acknowledge that the state has this power over my personal choice, even though it would not change my personal choice. I don't acknowledge that power, because it does not exist, because the law does not make me change my actions or choices.
Just because you always, say, obey the speed limit doesn't mean that the state doesn't have the power to enforce speed limits on you or anyone else.
Or drivers licenses. Just because you have a drivers license doesn't mean that the police can't stop you to check if you have a valid drivers license. Or just because you don't drive drunk doesn't mean the police can't pull you over and demand a breathalyser test.
Scientists Discover Meaning of Life Through Massive Computing Project - And It's Not 42!
Because the real answer is "potato".
It would definitely have been better to "mix them up" with real stories. Oh well, some BOfH stories is always a good fallback plan.
Submit it - they're still taking submissions.
Not even funny. Someone please make it STOP!!!
Yeah, the pink ponies would have been better. I'll be SO glad when it's over.
We're all unemployed, you insensitive clod!
You should have labeled your post "First Post From The Future".
The references provide a shared framework and a starting-point for humor that is generally enjoyable by most "geeks" or "nerds".
So, if you are not enjoying it, then the inference is obvious. So, kindly turn-in your Geek Card now, and leave the rest of us to enjoy our drivel.
That is so last-century. Now that the government wants everyone to get into STEM, having a Geek Card is no longer cool. It ranks right down there with hipsters, both of which are still slightly above being Mike Pence.
You made a very specific claim - "I own a business. I am a business man. I decide who my potential customers are, and who I don't accept as customers. No one can make that choice for me.
I've provided one example where that is absolutely not true. In other words, your statement was a lie. If you have a problem being proven wrong, that's your problem, not mine. :-)
Again, the world is not black and white. Your argument is recognized as a logical fallacy, because the world is analog, not digital.
Sex is for making babies. Gays can't do that and defy a natural order. End of subject.
So let me get this straight - the only time people should have sex is if you want to have a baby and it's the right time in the woman's cycle?
If you expect anyone to believe that, you're crazier than me!
Infants can see their parents faces, though not much further than that.
Also, I wrote that it's for the father to bond with the child, not vice versa. And just holding them and rocking them to sleep helps form that bond. Also, babies need attention at all hours of the day and night - wet diapers wait for no-one. And babies make for a LOT of laundry.
Then there's the hidden assumption in your question - that the man's job is more important economically to the family than the woman's. That's not a safe bet any more.
You're the one who is mincing words.
If I choose not to, no one can force me to give that service. Not the state
The state certainly can when they choose to. Read Title III of the Americans With Disabilities Act. It applies to refusing service to anyone with a disability offering "public accomodations", which includes stores, BAKERIES (because people keep using that as an example), movie theatres, etc.
So, if you owned a bakery and refused service (or charged an inordinate price) to someone who was so disabled, they will certainly force you - or put you out of business.
Even many of the states that passed similar laws as Indiana, except that you cannot use religion as an excuse to discriminate against LGBT and other minority groups.
If he wanted to screw with stuff, the seeds are already planted and will go off after he's gone. And if he hasn't wanted to screw up stuff, don't give him a reason to regret that decision by treating him in a dick way.
Oh, wait - it's about .NET. Sorry, false alarm. Nothing to see here.
No more than you did :-) Read exactly what I wrote.
Then please put up a sign to let the public know. You'll see how many non-LGBT citizens will consider you a bigot and hater.
in response to this bs argument:
I own a business. I am a business man. I decide who my potential customers are, and who I don't accept as customers. No one can make that choice for me.
When you are offering your services to the public, it's no longer a private affair. Examples - you need to charge sales and other taxes, conform to zoning bylaws, etc., to run the business. You do not get to decide if you want to conform with the rules or not.
Nobody is saying that you "owe" them your services that's a complete strawman argument. They have to pay for it, same as everyone else. The point being, that when you offer your services to the public, you can't pick and choose who can and cannot buy them on an arbitrary basis that has nothing to do with safety or the larger public interest. If it's legal to sell to them, you better sell to them.
Where did I say I don't have gay customers?
I never said you don't. Just put up a sign discriminating against blacks, mexicans, asians, whatever, and watch how many LGBT citizens will consider you a bigot and a hater. We support the rights of other minorities who are discriminated against.
Then please put up a sign to let the public know. You'll see how many non-LGBT citizens will consider you a bigot and hater.
It takes a thief to catch a thief.
What a crock. The federal law, and the states that passed similar laws, ban discrimination against LGBT. Indiana doesn't, which makes the law quite different in its' effects. You know it's bad when even Fox News is pointing out your lies about your anti-LGBT law.
Mike Pence was asked many times by ABC if it would allow discrimination based on sexual orientation, and all he gave were non-answers.. Also, it's a lie to call his bill "the same as other states", when other states have laws preventing discrimination against LGBT. Indiana has no such protective laws, and Pence is opposed to them.
Even Fox News has debunked his claims that his law "is the same as the other laws."
The only way that can happen is to completely tamp out any social mores that say that being gay is wrong.
The belief that being gay is wrong is just a social belief. No scientific proof. There are hundreds of species that do the same-sex thing. Heck, when a dog is horny, he'll hump anything of any sex or species that he can get his paws around. If you choose to be offended by what most people feel is normal behavior, you might have a problem. Part of that is probably from the realization that you're no longer in the majority.
It is ironic that the CA situation means a baker would have to create a cake that endorses a KKK wedding and the IN law would allow the baker to decline and people think IN is the problem.
People keep throwing cakes about the KKK - proof that it's actually been a problem of you're full of it.
A free market solution never worked in the Jim Crow south and it wont work now.
Uhm you realize that the buses wanted to allow blacks because they wanted their business right? The Jim Crow shit was a product of THE GOVERNMENT that you worship so dearly. If it had been up to the buses, blacks and whites would have been equal.
Riiiight ... and the bus drivers never made them sit in the back or give up their seat for a white person. They wanted the money, but they didn't deliver the same level of service because they were bigots