| If it's to replace lost fingers, it sounds | slightly unappealing to me -- I don't know | if I'd like to have cow tissue grown in mice | grafted onto me.
The story was a bit sparse, but why would cow tissue grow into human fingers anyhow? Strange stuff, this.
But at any rate, I don't see it making much difference where the finger was grown were a viable replacement available and I needed one.
I mean, as long as it didn't cause Torgo Knee Syndrome or anything...
| However, when these benchmarks come out, and | say that Linux beat NT, they are automatically | heralded as The Truth. Now, I really do like | the fact that Linux has been 'vindicated', but | what guarantees do we have that these | tests were any less biased than the ones that | said NT won?
Is there a funding issue here? (Microsoft funded those first Mindcraft tests!) Also, the test was on a more modest box - much closer to the ones that many readers here work with. And one operating system didn't win every test. NT did better when you fed it multiple fast ethernet cards - showing that there's an area where Linux still needs to improve.
"The Truth"? Really, it's just another set of data points.
"We train our young men to drop fire on people. But we won't let them write the word 'fuck' on their airplanes because it's obscene." --- Kurtz, _Apocalypse Now_
| It's the principle of | the thing that a lot of Slashdotters find | distasteful.
Exactly. The problem is, as always, where do you draw the line? People say that looking at sex pictures is harmful to children (I'm not entirely convinced that's true), so we block porn. The knowledge that mixing aluminum foil with lye (sodium hydroxide) releases heat and explosive gas (hydrogen) can be harmful to children - so we block access to chemistry information. An anatomy book can show a child where best to stab another one to kill him - so we block medical information. Mr Yuk stickers tell children that a material is poisonous - so the child can put it into that bully at school's food. Oops, better get rid of those Mr Yuk stickers - they may harm children.
Okay, so some of those were ridiculous compared to the porn example - or are they?
Remember: Mr Yuk is mean. Mr Yuk is green. Mr Yuk should run for office - at least we know what he stands for...
| NT can be very stable if you are VERY CAREFUL | - use the right drivers, and install software | in a very specific order.
This, though, is "properly" administering an NT box? No wonder NT sysadmins are so angry most of the time.;) The "right drivers" I can understand - but installing software in a very specific order bit sounds like a royal pain in the ass.
What you're saying, essentially, is that it's hard to make an NT box *not* crash, while it's hard to make a Linux box crash.
| testing Win2K BETA3 (BETA) right now and it is | EXTREMELY stable
Frankly, given Microsoft's track record on stability, I'll believe that when I see it.
| Before everyone starts flaming ZD and yelling | foul play.
No yelling "foul play" here - at least not as of yet. The test basically told us what we already knew - there are some kernel issues that need to be fixed. Now there's a big incentive to fix them.
It also showed that the Mindcraft numbers were a good bit off for what Linux could actually do.
Also notice that Linux's *big* strength against MS products - reliability/stability - was *not* a part of this test. And I don't know how the rest of you guys promote Linux, but I've gotten Linux installed here on the basis of reliability, its ability to use old hardware for something productive (e.g. our P75 webserver), and the ease of remotely administering the box (said webserver runs headless and is out of everyone's way in this crowded lab) - all for very little cost.
| I can deal with spam, just keep the | damn telemarketers away!
I dislike spammers more than I dislike telemarketers - the telemarketers at least call on their own dime.
BUT - If you want to rid yourself of most tlemarketers, get Caller ID. Most telemarketers don't want *you* getting *their* phone number, so they have caller ID blocked. The phone company lets you reject these calls before they even ring your phone now - caller gets a message like "Sorry, this number has blocked anonymous calls, etc. etc.".
Rules of the phone in my house - Anonymous call rejection on, and any "out of area" calls (the rest of the telemarketers) can talk to the machine. If they're interesting, I'll pick up. The telemarkeers don't *ever* say anything to the machine, though.:)
| Try www.statmarket.com. Those numbers are hard | to argue with.
You're missing the point, Mooboy. Mozilla'a not Navigator - it's a new product. New rendering engine, new interface, etc. So who cares how much market share IE has vs Netscape? It's largely irrelevant to Mozilla.
If AOL decides to integrate Mozilla when it's stable enough to be release quality, that's instant Mozilla market share. Something to think about if you're *that* paranoid about making sure you run whar everyone else runs.:)
| But the fact is that Netscape in all of the | stats has under 25% of the | market share out there now.
Does this really matter? Mozilla is, for all intents and purposes, a *new* product. How much market share do most brand new products have compared to an established product?
| For all intents and purposes, | Netscape/Mozilla is dead.
... and by your logic, so is every product that doesn't have most/all of the market share. Good for competition and the improvement of software, that is.
Like the subject says. Pity, I want to try it out on my Alpha. This particular post comes from Mozilla, but it's an oooold Mozilla (with Motif interface, if that tells you anything:) )
| so I bought an 8086 which is still going strong | today.
Yeesh. I hope you forgot a "4" in that number!
| Ask a non-Amiga person what they remember about | the Amiga during its heyday and they'll talk | about elitist attitudes.
Most of the non-amiga people I knew thought of it as a game machine.
Amiga owners had more of a persecution complex than a problem with "elitism".
| Commodore "killed" the Amiga only months | afterwards because no one was buying them.
Sure, you're not going to buy an A500 in 1991. The problem was that they didn't upgrade the blasted things until the A1200 came out - and by then, the "upgrade" they presented was easily outstripped by an average PC.
For the Amiga, anyway, I'd have to consider "dead" as an appropriate word. It's no more alive than the Atari 2600 is at the moment, and most people consider that a "dead" console.:)
The Amiga was a proprietary hardware platform whose parent company went out of business. They were succeeded by several other copmpanies that also went out of business (Don't bother mentioning gateway - as of yet they have released little but vapor). Hence the Amiga as we have known it is - dead.
That Amiga hardware that *is* still out there running ought to be getting rather dodgy now - I know *my* A3000 requires multiple tries to boot correctly!
"Dead" hardware, IMO, is a bit easier to talk about than "dead" software.
"Bad advocacy" didn't kill the Amiga. *Commodore* killed the Amiga. There were some problems with the way the Amiga was marketed (it wasn't), the way it was upgraded (was ECS and then AGA *that* much of an imporvement?), and the way that it was entirely too easy for Joe Q. Application to die and take the system with it (AmigaOS 2.x seemed to crash less than 1.2/1.3, but still...) , but "bad advocacy", IMO, isn't very high in the list of reasons the Amiga died.
| They have given a really lame reason for only | installing Redhat Linux imho.
Geez... is Slashdot's anonymous coward population still on the anti-Redhat jihad? They pick one Linux distribution out of the herd because it's easier to support one distribution than six. Redhat also has name recognition. Would you rather HP make their own Linux distribution?
Frankly, I don't see a problem here. It's all Linux.
| Newbie user: "Hmm...how can I add my printer | now to this linux machine?"
A newbie wouldn't use the phrase "add printer". That's windows-speak. But I digress.
| Newbie user: "Of course! I must type in | printtool and it will do that for me. How could | I miss that? Doh!"
A newbie user with more than half a functioning neuron might consult the Redhat installation manual (*one* book, rather than the "mountain of docs" previously implied). This is provided - of course - that said newbie has missed the menu option for printtool as well as the printer icon in redhat's control panel (which another poster has already pointed out).
The problem here isn't the "newbie to computers" user - for them, Windows is effectively as hard as Linux. "arcane commands" are replaced in windows with "tiny unintelligible buttons" and "registry settings". The problem is with Windows users who say that Linux is hard because it doesn't work like Windows.
| I would really like to see someone accuse the | BSD community of fragmentation. How many Linux | distributions are there this week?
No BSD flamewars for me, thanks. You've got to think, though, about how many distributions there *really* are.
This MacMillan thing is basically a rehash of Mandrake, which is basically a rehash of Red Hat. So it's not really different. Heck, even Corel's basically Debian with their stuff added.
If you want a Linux with less distributions to worry about, though, simply come on over to the Alpha, PPC, or Sparc.:)
While this is neat, I think it's going to have a difficult time replacing traditional radio and recordable media and CDs in the car. Given the quality of most factory-installed car speakers, extra quality isn't likely going to be noticed that much.
Monthly fees for car "radio" likely won't go over too well either, except for people who do lots of traveling - and maybe not even them. I know when I spend nearly every weekend driving around at 2 in the morning, one of my favorite things to do was play "AM tag". Basically, see how far away of a station you can pick up. Works very well at night - and will at least keep you awake, unlike straight listening to music.
Also, I hope they don't use DBS frequencies... Imagine losing your car radio when it rained!
On the other hand, if this takes off, it might force traditional radio to become more interesting to retain listeners.
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| Yeah, and the best thing about beta is that it | is completely unaffected by macrovision!
You'd see the same thing with many old VHS VCRs (and some new ones).
| It's nice to know that in light of recent events | in the United States, the Catholic Church | doesn't consider the Internet to be a cesspool | of paganism and various other Bad Things.
You're confusing the Catholics with the Southern Baptists - the Southern Baptists think everything is evil.:)
| I remember reading a star wars book that begins | right after the battle of endor. it is revealed | that solo comes from a line of displaced | corellian kings.
I'm not a big enough of a Star Wars fan to actually read the novels (they're movies...:) - but I was wondering where the bit in _Spaceballs_ about Lone Starr being a prince was a spoof of.
You know, even if the story of the Star Wars movies doesn't turn out to be all that great, we have it to thank for such wonderful films as _Spaceballs_...
| Just another reason why developing Linux apps in | Java is a good idea.
Not because of this particular software package. From what I can tell from the site, it's Intel only. Intel-only Linux application software is a *bad* thing.
| You are free to have an as lame opinion as you | want... and I am free to say your opinion is | lame...:)
You are. And posting as an anonymous coward gives you all that much more respect!
| You[']r[e] looking at it the wrong way, some might ask | if you are looking at all..... He did not do it | because of fashion.... he actually has a user | base,
Well, actually he said that he didn't like North Carolina and he didn't like his manager. These are perfectly valid reasons to look for a job elsewhere - and nobody's begrudging him for that.
Would his little rant have been "news" at all if not for JWZ's (or would it have even been posted in the first place)? The difference between the rants is that JWZ's is a little more constructive and less whiny.:) Mozilla's also finally xtarting to show that it might shape up to be a good browser, so JWZ's leaving is probably no bad thing.
| When he saw that email, it made him mad
He'd already left the company and presumably gotten a "better" job - so what difference does it make?
| what better then slash dot.
Somebody else posted it, though I'm sure he knew that anything controversial involving Red Hat (no matter what it is) would be posted on Slashdot.
| tacky? Yeah I suppose it is tacky for an jail | mate to scream as he is being raped by big | bubba.
No, but it's certainly in poor taste to equate being raped with not liking your boss.
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| If it's to replace lost fingers, it sounds
...
| slightly unappealing to me -- I don't know
| if I'd like to have cow tissue grown in mice
| grafted onto me.
The story was a bit sparse, but why would cow tissue grow into human fingers anyhow? Strange stuff, this.
But at any rate, I don't see it making much difference where the finger was grown were a viable replacement available and I needed one.
I mean, as long as it didn't cause Torgo Knee Syndrome or anything
| However, when these benchmarks come out, and
| say that Linux beat NT, they are automatically
| heralded as The Truth. Now, I really do like
| the fact that Linux has been 'vindicated', but
| what guarantees do we have that these
| tests were any less biased than the ones that
| said NT won?
Is there a funding issue here? (Microsoft funded those first Mindcraft tests!) Also, the test was on a more modest box - much closer to the ones that many readers here work with. And one operating system didn't win every test. NT did better when you fed it multiple fast ethernet cards - showing that there's an area where Linux still needs to improve.
"The Truth"? Really, it's just another set of data points.
That's:
"We train our young men to drop fire on people. But we won't let them write the word 'fuck' on their airplanes because it's obscene."
--- Kurtz, _Apocalypse Now_
| It's the principle of
...
| the thing that a lot of Slashdotters find
| distasteful.
Exactly. The problem is, as always, where do you draw the line? People say that looking at sex pictures is harmful to children (I'm not entirely convinced that's true), so we block porn. The knowledge that mixing aluminum foil with lye (sodium hydroxide) releases heat and explosive gas (hydrogen) can be harmful to children - so we block access to chemistry information. An anatomy book can show a child where best to stab another one to kill him - so we block medical information. Mr Yuk stickers tell children that a material is poisonous - so the child can put it into that bully at school's food. Oops, better get rid of those Mr Yuk stickers - they may harm children.
Okay, so some of those were ridiculous compared to the porn example - or are they?
Remember: Mr Yuk is mean. Mr Yuk is green. Mr Yuk should run for office - at least we know what he stands for
This means that we should finally be able to build BladeEnc linked against the fast math libraries that are available! Woo hoo!
Might also make a nice GUI frontend simpler to develop, though grip is pretty nice even as it is.
| NT can be very stable if you are VERY CAREFUL
;) The "right drivers" I can understand - but installing software in a very specific order bit sounds like a royal pain in the ass.
| - use the right drivers, and install software
| in a very specific order.
This, though, is "properly" administering an NT box? No wonder NT sysadmins are so angry most of the time.
What you're saying, essentially, is that it's hard to make an NT box *not* crash, while it's hard to make a Linux box crash.
| testing Win2K BETA3 (BETA) right now and it is
| EXTREMELY stable
Frankly, given Microsoft's track record on stability, I'll believe that when I see it.
| Before everyone starts flaming ZD and yelling
| foul play.
No yelling "foul play" here - at least not as of yet. The test basically told us what we already knew - there are some kernel issues that need to be fixed. Now there's a big incentive to fix them.
It also showed that the Mindcraft numbers were a good bit off for what Linux could actually do.
Also notice that Linux's *big* strength against MS products - reliability/stability - was *not* a part of this test. And I don't know how the rest of you guys promote Linux, but I've gotten Linux installed here on the basis of reliability, its ability to use old hardware for something productive (e.g. our P75 webserver), and the ease of remotely administering the box (said webserver runs headless and is out of everyone's way in this crowded lab) - all for very little cost.
| I can deal with spam, just keep the | damn telemarketers away!
:)
I dislike spammers more than I dislike telemarketers - the telemarketers at least call on their own dime.
BUT - If you want to rid yourself of most tlemarketers, get Caller ID. Most telemarketers don't want *you* getting *their* phone number, so they have caller ID blocked. The phone company lets you reject these calls before they even ring your phone now - caller gets a message like "Sorry, this number has blocked anonymous calls, etc. etc.".
Rules of the phone in my house - Anonymous call rejection on, and any "out of area" calls (the rest of the telemarketers) can talk to the machine. If they're interesting, I'll pick up. The telemarkeers don't *ever* say anything to the machine, though.
| Try www.statmarket.com. Those numbers are hard
:)
| to argue with.
You're missing the point, Mooboy. Mozilla'a not Navigator - it's a new product. New rendering engine, new interface, etc. So who cares how much market share IE has vs Netscape? It's largely irrelevant to Mozilla.
If AOL decides to integrate Mozilla when it's stable enough to be release quality, that's instant Mozilla market share. Something to think about if you're *that* paranoid about making sure you run whar everyone else runs.
| But the fact is that Netscape in all of the
| stats has under 25% of the
| market share out there now.
Does this really matter? Mozilla is, for all intents and purposes, a *new* product. How much market share do most brand new products have compared to an established product?
| For all intents and purposes,
| Netscape/Mozilla is dead.
... and by your logic, so is every product that doesn't have most/all of the market share. Good for competition and the improvement of software, that is.
Like the subject says. Pity, I want to try it out on my Alpha. This particular post comes from Mozilla, but it's an oooold Mozilla (with Motif interface, if that tells you anything :) )
| My A1200 works like a charm.
;)
It's also a year or two younger. Just wait.
| so I bought an 8086 which is still going strong
| today.
Yeesh. I hope you forgot a "4" in that number!
| Ask a non-Amiga person what they remember about
| the Amiga during its heyday and they'll talk
| about elitist attitudes.
Most of the non-amiga people I knew thought of it as a game machine.
Amiga owners had more of a persecution complex than a problem with "elitism".
| Commodore "killed" the Amiga only months
| afterwards because no one was buying them.
Sure, you're not going to buy an A500 in 1991. The problem was that they didn't upgrade the blasted things until the A1200 came out - and by then, the "upgrade" they presented was easily outstripped by an average PC.
For the Amiga, anyway, I'd have to consider "dead" as an appropriate word. It's no more alive than the Atari 2600 is at the moment, and most people consider that a "dead" console. :)
The Amiga was a proprietary hardware platform whose parent company went out of business. They were succeeded by several other copmpanies that also went out of business (Don't bother mentioning gateway - as of yet they have released little but vapor). Hence the Amiga as we have known it is - dead.
That Amiga hardware that *is* still out there running ought to be getting rather dodgy now - I know *my* A3000 requires multiple tries to boot correctly!
"Dead" hardware, IMO, is a bit easier to talk about than "dead" software.
"Bad advocacy" didn't kill the Amiga. *Commodore* killed the Amiga. There were some problems with the way the Amiga was marketed (it wasn't), the way it was upgraded (was ECS and then AGA *that* much of an imporvement?), and the way that it was entirely too easy for Joe Q. Application to die and take the system with it (AmigaOS 2.x seemed to crash less than 1.2/1.3, but still...) , but "bad advocacy", IMO, isn't very high in the list of reasons the Amiga died.
| They have given a really lame reason for only
... is Slashdot's anonymous coward population still on the anti-Redhat jihad? They pick one Linux distribution out of the herd because it's easier to support one distribution than six. Redhat also has name recognition. Would you rather HP make their own Linux distribution?
| installing Redhat Linux imho.
Geez
Frankly, I don't see a problem here. It's all Linux.
| Newbie user: "Hmm...how can I add my printer
| now to this linux machine?"
A newbie wouldn't use the phrase "add printer". That's windows-speak. But I digress.
| Newbie user: "Of course! I must type in
| printtool and it will do that for me. How could
| I miss that? Doh!"
A newbie user with more than half a functioning neuron might consult the Redhat installation manual (*one* book, rather than the "mountain of docs" previously implied). This is provided - of course - that said newbie has missed the menu option for printtool as well as the printer icon in redhat's control panel (which another poster has already pointed out).
The problem here isn't the "newbie to computers" user - for them, Windows is effectively as hard as Linux. "arcane commands" are replaced in windows with "tiny unintelligible buttons" and "registry settings". The problem is with Windows users who say that Linux is hard because it doesn't work like Windows.
> How do you "set up" linux right so a new user
> can add a printer without reaming through
> mountains of docs?
Depends on your distribution - some vendors have decided to make this easy.
"printtool" works just fine here. The only trick is that the new user needs root access to do this.
| I would really like to see someone accuse the
:)
| BSD community of fragmentation. How many Linux
| distributions are there this week?
No BSD flamewars for me, thanks. You've got to think, though, about how many distributions there *really* are.
This MacMillan thing is basically a rehash of Mandrake, which is basically a rehash of Red Hat. So it's not really different. Heck, even Corel's basically Debian with their stuff added.
If you want a Linux with less distributions to worry about, though, simply come on over to the Alpha, PPC, or Sparc.
While this is neat, I think it's going to have a difficult time replacing traditional radio and recordable media and CDs in the car. Given the quality of most factory-installed car speakers, extra quality isn't likely going to be noticed that much.
... Imagine losing your car radio when it rained!
Monthly fees for car "radio" likely won't go over too well either, except for people who do lots of traveling - and maybe not even them. I know when I spend nearly every weekend driving around at 2 in the morning, one of my favorite things to do was play "AM tag". Basically, see how far away of a station you can pick up. Works very well at night - and will at least keep you awake, unlike straight listening to music.
Also, I hope they don't use DBS frequencies
On the other hand, if this takes off, it might force traditional radio to become more interesting to retain listeners.
| Yeah, and the best thing about beta is that it
| is completely unaffected by macrovision!
You'd see the same thing with many old VHS VCRs (and some new ones).
| It's nice to know that in light of recent events
:)
| in the United States, the Catholic Church
| doesn't consider the Internet to be a cesspool
| of paganism and various other Bad Things.
You're confusing the Catholics with the Southern Baptists - the Southern Baptists think everything is evil.
| I remember reading a star wars book that begins
... :) - but I was wondering where the bit in _Spaceballs_ about Lone Starr being a prince was a spoof of.
...
| right after the battle of endor. it is revealed
| that solo comes from a line of displaced
| corellian kings.
I'm not a big enough of a Star Wars fan to actually read the novels (they're movies
You know, even if the story of the Star Wars movies doesn't turn out to be all that great, we have it to thank for such wonderful films as _Spaceballs_
| Just another reason why developing Linux apps in
| Java is a good idea.
Not because of this particular software package. From what I can tell from the site, it's Intel only. Intel-only Linux application software is a *bad* thing.
| You are free to have an as lame opinion as you :)
:) Mozilla's also finally xtarting to show that it might shape up to be a good browser, so JWZ's leaving is probably no bad thing.
| want... and I am free to say your opinion is
| lame...
You are. And posting as an anonymous coward gives you all that much more respect!
| You[']r[e] looking at it the wrong way, some might ask
| if you are looking at all..... He did not do it
| because of fashion.... he actually has a user
| base,
Well, actually he said that he didn't like North Carolina and he didn't like his manager. These are perfectly valid reasons to look for a job elsewhere - and nobody's begrudging him for that.
Would his little rant have been "news" at all if not for JWZ's (or would it have even been posted in the first place)? The difference between the rants is that JWZ's is a little more constructive and less whiny.
| When he saw that email, it made him mad
He'd already left the company and presumably gotten a "better" job - so what difference does it make?
| what better then slash dot.
Somebody else posted it, though I'm sure he knew that anything controversial involving Red Hat (no matter what it is) would be posted on Slashdot.
| tacky? Yeah I suppose it is tacky for an jail
| mate to scream as he is being raped by big
| bubba.
No, but it's certainly in poor taste to equate being raped with not liking your boss.