| Who are we to judge what is professional | or not professional for HIM to do or say.
Since he posted it for public consumption, I'd say he's offering that right to anyone who might come across his pages.
I'd have to agree with those who see this as unprofessional. Or is it fashionable for disgruntled developers these days to put up bitch pages about their former employers?
So he had a bad manager... so do a lot of other people. He left - which was good. He put up a bitch page - which, frankly, is tacky.
As for "moderating the article", well they already do that, as not all submissions get posted.:)
| How come nobody seems to know about this great | MP3 player?
This is a nice interface - I've bveen using it for a while on my Multia (166 MHz Alpha) to play mp3s, since it was the only GUI interface to a player I could fine that would actually play MP3s at full quality without skipping on my Multia. (Multias may be alphas, but thay're *slow* Alphas!)
Anyway, it's not a *player* per se - but a GUI frontend to mpg123. The author's SRPMs were a bit dodgy, but overall it's a nice interface. Did have one problem with the latest version I tried - the Windowmaker docking support didn't work too well: The player somehow created an "icon" that wouldn't go into the dock and couldn't even be moved with the mouse. Otherwise, I'd have it running all the time.;)
| I type "glint" to install some | additional packages. What? Glint is nowhere to | be found and GnoRPM is very confusing to use. | Why would you drop something tried and trued | just like that.
While some good points were made in the article, I have to voice some dissention on this point about glint. I'll give it "tried", I'll even give it "try*ing*", but I sure as heck won't give it "true". I've never gotten it do do much useful on my Alphas, so I'm certainly not sad to see it go. If it didn't outright crash it just didn't do anything at all.
Gnome not working is another issue entirely - and it's another reason why I'm waiting for a.1 or.2 release to bother to upgrade my RH boxes.
That and I'm waiting for some sort of multiplatform pack like there was for 5.2!
| Fairly clear what that CNN reported recognises | as valuable data... never mind that it might | actually delete something valuable like source
For most people, Excel files, Word files, etc. *are* the valuable data. If you're not a programming shop, you'd likely not give a rat's ass about C source files. On a Windows box, you'd probably not even have any.:)
| but you seem to be forgetting that if they were | all using windows bob, freda, and joline wouldnt | loose their files eith[e]r because they have | their own computers
Heh. That's not always true (it *certainly* isn't the case here). People share computers. And this thing also can zap shared drives.
You said it right there - *your* data. In our group, the workstations are shared among all the group members. With an attack like this on a typical Windows setup, *all* the group's data can be destroyed. Better hope the backups are up to date!
With an attack that did similar things on a *ix-style system, only the one person's data gets hosed. While losing one person's data sucks, it's certainly a more acceptable loss than the data of all eleven who are using the computer for data processing. (I'm of course assuming that root's not dumb enough to run executables they've received via mail.)
> everybody who yells "5.2 is rock solid" may or > may not be keeping in mind that > 5.0 and 5.1 preceded it, and were not exactly > paragons of functional software:)
Most of the Red Hat horror stories I've heard were about Redhat x.0 releases (5.0 in particular). I suspect the same sort of thing is happening with the 6.0 release - what with *another* relatively major library change and associated bugs to work out.
The 5.1 release of Redhat, though, wasn't that bad. I've only used the version of 5.1 for Alphas, but there weren't really any showstopper problems except the jpeg library screw-ups (which got fixed), and the fact that "man" would crash.
"RTFM!" "I can't! man dumps core."
5.2, at least on the Alpha, had a bad ramdisk image. This made install... challenging. This too was fixed, but it suprised me, since 5.1 worked fine!
I'll be waiting, like I suspect many of the rest of you, to upgrade my 5.2 boxes. They run stable, and they run everything I've needed to throw at them - including the latest kernel.
If it works and works well, why be in a big rush to upgrade?
(I may yet upgrade my Sparc IPXen to 6.0, though. How's Redhat 6.x on Sparcs? 5.2 has some occsaional lockup problems.)
| Lastly I don't care if it looks like windows. | An office package is a tool and this one works | for me.
My biggest beef with SO5 (and SO4, for that matter), some might consider silly. But I absolutely *hate* the way that SO doesn't integrate at all with the window manager. I would love it if each edited document got its own "real" window. C'mon, Star Division! At least with Applix I can use my preferred window manager to manage the windows!
So, it's not that it "looks like Windows" - it's that it doesn't play nice with the X window system!
| that sucks big balls. sparc, alpha and ppc are | all in really good shape, really solid ports.
Except that if I let my Sparc IPXes run X with the normal X screen blanking enabled (from xset), they will hard crash after a while, requiring a power cycle. Turning off the screen blanking appears to cure the problem.
That said, I still would like to see more effort by corporations to support non-x86 Linux systems. It's frustrating to not have an Alpha-Linux port of Netscape, for example. Yes, there's Mozilla and it's what I'm using to post this message, but it's not the same. At least my Sparcs have Netscape.:)
For now, I'm going to have to have rvplayer (5.0) and realplay (G2) installed. While Real G2 plays G2 streams okay, it's segfaulted more in the last fifteen minutes than the 5.0 player has *ever* segfaulted on me. It seems to have trouble with the older streams for some reason. Note that this is just playing locally stored streams from the command line, but it's still quite unstable!
To Real's credit, they do label this version as an "alpha" version, and it behaves as such. Here's hoping they release more stable updates quickly!
(And an alpha Alpha version would be nice, too, but I don't see that happening anytime soon...)
| I'm guessing the new video codecs need that much | CPU and RAM, no matter which OS you're running.
If the requirements are in fact true for the Linux version, that's not it. Realplayer G2 runs on a P120 (non-MMX, even) with 32 megs RAM at work. It only chokes on the biggest streams (e.g. local episodes of South Park at high bit rates)
Woo hoo! Of course, now I have to wait until I go into the lab tomorrow to put it on a zip disk. The heck if I'm gonna try to get it to the home machine via my 56K modem.
|Ignorent people use AOL |People who are involved in Local TV news are |pretty ignorent...
So, am I the only one who finds Rombuu's latest comment absolutely hilarious? (I've got to assume that this is Rombuu's way of admitting that he uses AOL and is involved in local TV news...;) )
That aside, the people I see get taken in the most by the chain letters are our department secretaries, who dutifully forward the chain letter hoaxes to the rest of us.
This, of course, doesn't excuse the TV station for its inability to do a little fact checking. It must've been a slow news day.
| If you already have a PC, $25 for bleem is alot | cheaper than a $200 console... Looks much nicer | on a voodoo card and SVGA monitor than on a | nasty TV set.
1) It's a $130 console - NEW. Cheaper if you look hard enough.
2) It takes more than a $130 investment in PC hardware to get the thing to run good on your average PC. Sure, if you've already sunk the money it's probably not too expensive, but otherwise...
3) A PSX is less hassle. Plain and simple. Pop in "Colony Wars: Vengeance", plug in the Dual Analog Flightstick, and I'm there. Now where was that DLL or.so again?:)
4) It's too early. Sure, if PSXen were hard to come by, I could see the point - like MAME for old arcade games that are damned near impossible to find these days. Or UAE - since Amigas aren't exactly easy to come by. But a PSX?
5) I have a nice TV set, hooked to a nice stereo system. The PSX looks pretty damned good hooked up to the TV with s-video. And the sound - oh my! Contrast with the PC which, while it has a good trinitron monitor, it's only 17". And I only have a 75WPC stereo system hooked to the computer. (A real stereo, not "multimedia speakers", but still - no competition for the living room).
6) (And the most important reason this thing is lame) - No Linux port.:)
Has anyone built M5 on the Alpha? I've built previous releases here at orangesherbert (and in fact, this post is coming from an older Motif-based Mozilla), but I'm short on HD space and don't have room to build M5 right now. So has anyone else? Does it work better than M3/M4? Is there a cache?:)
| If you ship a regular letter or anything else | that isn't time critical via FedEX or UPS, you | are commiting a federal offense
As far as I recall, you're right about the first class letter. However, I don't think you're right about "anything else". It's perfectly fine to send anything that isn't a letter via any shipper you choose. If you, however, include a "letter" with the package, you're supposed to pay postage on the letter.
This is how the local shipper explained it to me, anyhow. Take with a grain of sodium chloride.
| I really don't care if my drivers are open | source or not. If they work, fine, if they | don't, I wont use the hardware they are written | for, it's that simple.
And that's the problem with binary-only drivers - especially those that may be tied to a particular kernel release. If I upgrade, my card might not work anymore. The SB Live isn't a cheap card. Before I lay out the price Creative wants for one, I'd like some peace of mind that when I upgrade my kernel from 2.2.5 to 2.2.7 or beyond that it'll still work. With the state of the drivers the way they are now, it's too much of a risk to take to purchase one, as I don't use Windows at home at all - and I don't want to worry whether my card will suddenly turn into a paperweight with a simple kernel upgrade.
Oh, if you already *have* a SB Live, this driver is potentially a good thing. But my hardware decisions are based on their being good Linux support available. As of yet, that's not there for the SB Live. It's a start, but if Creative wants (more of - my current soundcard is a Soundblaster 16 from 1994 or thereabouts:) ) my money, there's got to be a better driver.
| Why is nobody up in arms with UPS/USPS/FedEx? | They can also track your packages. They know | your address. They know what you have sent and | where it is going.
| Its amazing how in one light, this tracking is | a paid for feature, while in another light.. | its an invasion of privacy.
The only issue of merit here is consent, really. Nobody's up in arms over UPS and Fed Ex because their tracking *is* a feature. We pay for it because it does something useful for us - namely, allowing us to know if package Y we sent to customer X was delivered. We know about this tracking up front, and - as you say - it's an advertised feature.
It's people tracking covertly that gets privacy advocates up in arms - especially if they lie about it (which is what the ZD article seems to be implying - whether it's true or not I have no idea, as I don't use Deja for anything other than searching usenet). If it's upfront, well, that's just the price of the service.
Just so long as Deja doesn't start selling "1000000 GOOD EMAIL ADDRESSES"...
| Around this time I think was when the first | seeds agaisnt video games were planted. I | clearly remember getting strange and concerned | looks from various teachers the day I bought | Ultima 8: Pagan
Lots of good comments on this article (and a smattering of comments that just make you want to go "huh?"), but I just had to respond to this bit. The first seeds against video games were planted long in advance of Ultima 8. Anyone remember the _Death Race 2000_ game?
It'd probably be accurate to say that the seeds of society blaming video games for its ills are approximately as old as video games themselves. I don't have studies handy to back that up, but I remember people fussing over games as long as I remember video games being around.:)
Like others have said, as a whole the article wasn't too bad. It does suffer somewhat from outdated information, hwoever. For example, Caldera no longer sells WABI. They also didn't mention that WABI only supported 16-bit Windows apps in the first place.
I also was shaking my head a bit at the "reconfigure without reboot" aspect that Debian was touted to have. IMO, that's effectively true with all Linux distributions. I know we don't have to reboot our Redhat-based servers for most configuration changes. I was expecting to see for Debian "potentially better packaging / upgrade system" rather than what I did see here.
Some have mentioned that there wasn't mention of Linux support for other architectures in the article. Two things: 1) It *was* mentioned that Linux ran on Sparcs, Alphas, etc. etc. 2) The article was focusing on the x86, so comparing Debian/Alpha and Redhat/Alpha would be inappropriate anyhow.
Even the BSDs got a mention under "Alternatives". That was pretty cool, even though I'm not a BSD user.
I did like the fact that for once we get an article posted that *isn't* Linux vs NT - rather it focused on "So you want to use Linux."
A more current rewrite of the article would be nice, though...
First off, let me say that I'm not a good enough code hack to understand much about the Mozilla code, but I have to agree with some of the other posters here - why isn't getting the browser component stable and fast the highest priority for the Mozilla developers? Heck, at this point I'd just settle for stable and let fast come when it may.
I use Mozilla every day - a version before the new layout engine debuted - on my Alpha because it's about the only graphical browser that will run natively. Imagine my surprise when I tried the M3 milestone release and much less stuff worked correctly (or at all) than the October 1998 version I'm using for casual browsing now.
I realize that much of the work between then and now went to the rendering engine (and, running viewer I could see the improvements), but why even bother with other stuff like chat when apprunner's in such sore need of repair?
My kingdom for a nice browser that doesn't require me to use my Alpha to emulate an x86!:)
Logitech sells the hardware. Anytime there's a driver that lets more people *use* your hardware, thet's a good thing. I (obviously) won't buy a Logitech product if it won't work on my system. I might buy that same product if there was a driver for my OS.
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| Who are we to judge what is professional
... so do a lot of other people. He left - which was good. He put up a bitch page - which, frankly, is tacky.
:)
| or not professional for HIM to do or say.
Since he posted it for public consumption, I'd say he's offering that right to anyone who might come across his pages.
I'd have to agree with those who see this as unprofessional. Or is it fashionable for disgruntled developers these days to put up bitch pages about their former employers?
So he had a bad manager
As for "moderating the article", well they already do that, as not all submissions get posted.
| mpg123 would give him the clicks and underwater
.59o had this problem, p and q do not.)
| sounds.
I had this problem with mpg123 a while back. An upgrade of mpg123 fixed it (I believe version
| How come nobody seems to know about this great
;)
| MP3 player?
This is a nice interface - I've bveen using it for a while on my Multia (166 MHz Alpha) to play mp3s, since it was the only GUI interface to a player I could fine that would actually play MP3s at full quality without skipping on my Multia.
(Multias may be alphas, but thay're *slow* Alphas!)
Anyway, it's not a *player* per se - but a GUI frontend to mpg123. The author's SRPMs were a bit dodgy, but overall it's a nice interface.
Did have one problem with the latest version I tried - the Windowmaker docking support didn't work too well: The player somehow created an "icon" that wouldn't go into the dock and couldn't even be moved with the mouse. Otherwise, I'd have it running all the time.
| I type "glint" to install some
.1 or .2 release to bother to upgrade my RH boxes.
| additional packages. What? Glint is nowhere to
| be found and GnoRPM is very confusing to use.
| Why would you drop something tried and trued
| just like that.
While some good points were made in the article, I have to voice some dissention on this point about glint. I'll give it "tried", I'll even give it "try*ing*", but I sure as heck won't give it "true". I've never gotten it do do much useful on my Alphas, so I'm certainly not sad to see it go. If it didn't outright crash it just didn't do anything at all.
Gnome not working is another issue entirely - and it's another reason why I'm waiting for a
That and I'm waiting for some sort of multiplatform pack like there was for 5.2!
| Fairly clear what that CNN reported recognises ... never mind that it might
:)
| as valuable data
| actually delete something valuable like source
For most people, Excel files, Word files, etc. *are* the valuable data. If you're not a programming shop, you'd likely not give a rat's ass about C source files. On a Windows box, you'd probably not even have any.
| but you seem to be forgetting that if they were | all using windows bob, freda, and joline wouldnt | loose their files eith[e]r because they have
| their own computers
Heh. That's not always true (it *certainly* isn't the case here). People share computers. And this thing also can zap shared drives.
| your data/work is often much harder to replace
You said it right there - *your* data. In our group, the workstations are shared among all the group members. With an attack like this on a typical Windows setup, *all* the group's data can be destroyed. Better hope the backups are up to date!
With an attack that did similar things on a *ix-style system, only the one person's data gets hosed. While losing one person's data sucks, it's certainly a more acceptable loss than the data of all eleven who are using the computer for data processing. (I'm of course assuming that root's not dumb enough to run executables they've received via mail.)
> everybody who yells "5.2 is rock solid" may or :)
... challenging. This too was fixed, but it suprised me, since 5.1 worked fine!
> may not be keeping in mind that
> 5.0 and 5.1 preceded it, and were not exactly
> paragons of functional software
Most of the Red Hat horror stories I've heard were about Redhat x.0 releases (5.0 in particular). I suspect the same sort of thing is happening with the 6.0 release - what with *another* relatively major library change and associated bugs to work out.
The 5.1 release of Redhat, though, wasn't that bad. I've only used the version of 5.1 for Alphas, but there weren't really any showstopper problems except the jpeg library screw-ups (which got fixed), and the fact that "man" would crash.
"RTFM!"
"I can't! man dumps core."
5.2, at least on the Alpha, had a bad ramdisk image. This made install
I'll be waiting, like I suspect many of the rest of you, to upgrade my 5.2 boxes. They run stable, and they run everything I've needed to throw at them - including the latest kernel.
If it works and works well, why be in a big rush to upgrade?
(I may yet upgrade my Sparc IPXen to 6.0, though. How's Redhat 6.x on Sparcs? 5.2 has some occsaional lockup problems.)
| Lastly I don't care if it looks like windows.
| An office package is a tool and this one works
| for me.
My biggest beef with SO5 (and SO4, for that matter), some might consider silly. But I absolutely *hate* the way that SO doesn't integrate at all with the window manager. I would love it if each edited document got its own "real" window. C'mon, Star Division! At least with Applix I can use my preferred window manager to manage the windows!
So, it's not that it "looks like Windows" - it's that it doesn't play nice with the X window system!
| that sucks big balls. sparc, alpha and ppc are
:)
| all in really good shape, really solid ports.
Except that if I let my Sparc IPXes run X with the normal X screen blanking enabled (from xset), they will hard crash after a while, requiring a power cycle. Turning off the screen blanking appears to cure the problem.
That said, I still would like to see more effort by corporations to support non-x86 Linux systems. It's frustrating to not have an Alpha-Linux port of Netscape, for example. Yes, there's Mozilla and it's what I'm using to post this message, but it's not the same. At least my Sparcs have Netscape.
For now, I'm going to have to have rvplayer (5.0) and realplay (G2) installed. While Real G2 plays G2 streams okay, it's segfaulted more in the last fifteen minutes than the 5.0 player has *ever* segfaulted on me. It seems to have trouble with the older streams for some reason. Note that this is just playing locally stored streams from the command line, but it's still quite unstable!
To Real's credit, they do label this version as an "alpha" version, and it behaves as such. Here's hoping they release more stable updates quickly!
(And an alpha Alpha version would be nice, too, but I don't see that happening anytime soon...)
| I'm guessing the new video codecs need that much
| CPU and RAM, no matter which OS you're running.
If the requirements are in fact true for the Linux version, that's not it. Realplayer G2 runs on a P120 (non-MMX, even) with 32 megs RAM at work. It only chokes on the biggest streams (e.g. local episodes of South Park at high bit rates)
19:16:31 (461.34 KB/s) - `so51_lnx_01.tar' saved [74072576/74072576]
Woo hoo! Of course, now I have to wait until I go into the lab tomorrow to put it on a zip disk. The heck if I'm gonna try to get it to the home machine via my 56K modem.
|You are right, here is my revised comment..
;) )
|Ignorent people use AOL
|People who are involved in Local TV news are
|pretty ignorent...
So, am I the only one who finds Rombuu's latest comment absolutely hilarious? (I've got to assume that this is Rombuu's way of admitting that he uses AOL and is involved in local TV news...
That aside, the people I see get taken in the most by the chain letters are our department secretaries, who dutifully forward the chain letter hoaxes to the rest of us.
This, of course, doesn't excuse the TV station for its inability to do a little fact checking. It must've been a slow news day.
| 6.4 gigs of /var seems a bit high for me. :-)
/usr partition instead, as that's where most stuff you install wants to live.
Maybe he really meant to suggest creating a relatively large
| If you already have a PC, $25 for bleem is alot
...
.so again? :)
:)
;)
| cheaper than a $200 console... Looks much nicer
| on a voodoo card and SVGA monitor than on a
| nasty TV set.
1) It's a $130 console - NEW. Cheaper if you look hard enough.
2) It takes more than a $130 investment in PC hardware to get the thing to run good on your average PC. Sure, if you've already sunk the money it's probably not too expensive, but otherwise
3) A PSX is less hassle. Plain and simple. Pop in "Colony Wars: Vengeance", plug in the Dual Analog Flightstick, and I'm there. Now where was that DLL or
4) It's too early. Sure, if PSXen were hard to come by, I could see the point - like MAME for old arcade games that are damned near impossible to find these days. Or UAE - since Amigas aren't exactly easy to come by. But a PSX?
5) I have a nice TV set, hooked to a nice stereo system. The PSX looks pretty damned good hooked up to the TV with s-video. And the sound - oh my! Contrast with the PC which, while it has a good trinitron monitor, it's only 17". And I only have a 75WPC stereo system hooked to the computer. (A real stereo, not "multimedia speakers", but still - no competition for the living room).
6) (And the most important reason this thing is lame) - No Linux port.
... give it a while and it'll show up in mame.
Has anyone built M5 on the Alpha? I've built previous releases here at orangesherbert (and in fact, this post is coming from an older Motif-based Mozilla), but I'm short on HD space and don't have room to build M5 right now. So has anyone else? Does it work better than M3/M4? Is there a cache? :)
| If you ship a regular letter or anything else
| that isn't time critical via FedEX or UPS, you
| are commiting a federal offense
As far as I recall, you're right about the first class letter. However, I don't think you're right about "anything else". It's perfectly fine to send anything that isn't a letter via any shipper you choose. If you, however, include a "letter" with the package, you're supposed to pay postage on the letter.
This is how the local shipper explained it to me, anyhow. Take with a grain of sodium chloride.
| I really don't care if my drivers are open
:) ) my money, there's got to be a better driver.
| source or not. If they work, fine, if they
| don't, I wont use the hardware they are written
| for, it's that simple.
And that's the problem with binary-only drivers - especially those that may be tied to a particular kernel release. If I upgrade, my card might not work anymore. The SB Live isn't a cheap card. Before I lay out the price Creative wants for one, I'd like some peace of mind that when I upgrade my kernel from 2.2.5 to 2.2.7 or beyond that it'll still work. With the state of the drivers the way they are now, it's too much of a risk to take to purchase one, as I don't use Windows at home at all - and I don't want to worry whether my card will suddenly turn into a paperweight with a simple kernel upgrade.
Oh, if you already *have* a SB Live, this driver is potentially a good thing. But my hardware decisions are based on their being good Linux support available. As of yet, that's not there for the SB Live. It's a start, but if Creative wants (more of - my current soundcard is a Soundblaster 16 from 1994 or thereabouts
| Why is nobody up in arms with UPS/USPS/FedEx?
...
| They can also track your packages. They know
| your address. They know what you have sent and
| where it is going.
| Its amazing how in one light, this tracking is
| a paid for feature, while in another light..
| its an invasion of privacy.
The only issue of merit here is consent, really. Nobody's up in arms over UPS and Fed Ex because their tracking *is* a feature. We pay for it because it does something useful for us - namely, allowing us to know if package Y we sent to customer X was delivered. We know about this tracking up front, and - as you say - it's an advertised feature.
It's people tracking covertly that gets privacy advocates up in arms - especially if they lie about it (which is what the ZD article seems to be implying - whether it's true or not I have no idea, as I don't use Deja for anything other than searching usenet). If it's upfront, well, that's just the price of the service.
Just so long as Deja doesn't start selling "1000000 GOOD EMAIL ADDRESSES"
| Around this time I think was when the first
:)
| seeds agaisnt video games were planted. I
| clearly remember getting strange and concerned
| looks from various teachers the day I bought
| Ultima 8: Pagan
Lots of good comments on this article (and a smattering of comments that just make you want to go "huh?"), but I just had to respond to this bit. The first seeds against video games were planted long in advance of Ultima 8. Anyone remember the _Death Race 2000_ game?
It'd probably be accurate to say that the seeds of society blaming video games for its ills are approximately as old as video games themselves. I don't have studies handy to back that up, but I remember people fussing over games as long as I remember video games being around.
Like others have said, as a whole the article wasn't too bad. It does suffer somewhat from outdated information, hwoever. For example, Caldera no longer sells WABI. They also didn't mention that WABI only supported 16-bit Windows apps in the first place.
...
I also was shaking my head a bit at the "reconfigure without reboot" aspect that Debian was touted to have. IMO, that's effectively true with all Linux distributions. I know we don't have to reboot our Redhat-based servers for most configuration changes. I was expecting to see for Debian "potentially better packaging / upgrade system" rather than what I did see here.
Some have mentioned that there wasn't mention of Linux support for other architectures in the article. Two things: 1) It *was* mentioned that Linux ran on Sparcs, Alphas, etc. etc. 2) The article was focusing on the x86, so comparing Debian/Alpha and Redhat/Alpha would be inappropriate anyhow.
Even the BSDs got a mention under "Alternatives". That was pretty cool, even though I'm not a BSD user.
I did like the fact that for once we get an article posted that *isn't* Linux vs NT - rather it focused on "So you want to use Linux."
A more current rewrite of the article would be nice, though
First off, let me say that I'm not a good enough code hack to understand much about the Mozilla code, but I have to agree with some of the other posters here - why isn't getting the browser component stable and fast the highest priority for the Mozilla developers? Heck, at this point I'd just settle for stable and let fast come when it may.
:)
I use Mozilla every day - a version before the new layout engine debuted - on my Alpha because it's about the only graphical browser that will run natively. Imagine my surprise when I tried the M3 milestone release and much less stuff worked correctly (or at all) than the October 1998 version I'm using for casual browsing now.
I realize that much of the work between then and now went to the rendering engine (and, running viewer I could see the improvements), but why even bother with other stuff like chat when apprunner's in such sore need of repair?
My kingdom for a nice browser that doesn't require me to use my Alpha to emulate an x86!
On the subject of Logitech mice with wheels ...
l /
Check http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scrol
This site has a lot of information on how to use that wheel in X. Works fine with my First Mouse+ (and my cordless desktop with wheel)
Some cow wrote:
>What value?
Logitech sells the hardware. Anytime there's a driver that lets more people *use* your hardware, thet's a good thing. I (obviously) won't buy a Logitech product if it won't work on my system. I might buy that same product if there was a driver for my OS.