I don't mean to start a flame war, but isn't this Microsoft Monopoly crap getting a little old?
I dunno, did it go away? Did they get any effective action against them? Or did they laugh and go about their day? Yeah, that was it. Plus, the OEMs that sell Beemers are allowed to change the radios. Fuckwit.
I'm reminded of Bill Hicks line when people complained about him going on about JFK...
"Come on man, it was a long time ago, just let it gom OK?"
"Long time ago, huh? OK, I'll leyt JFK go if you'll shut up about Jesus"
allow OEMs to install a competing player if they so wish
This is the crux of it... currently the OEM restrictions are pure evil. The big one is the dual-boot clause: no non-Microsoft OS to dual boot with a Microsoft OS. So if you want to offer a version of Windows (and they all do), you can't offer Linux or *BSD (or previously, Be) on the same box.
This was the issue that the US govt wimped out on badly, and I'm hoping the EU will stand firm.
I'll address one point directly as an example: "The easier it is to access the source code, alter it, and then recompile it for custom uses, the more likely that it will happen--and then you have no security......That means that many of the advantages that individuals have gained by using open source software, specifically, those of choice and the possibility of altering their software to better suit their own needs, won't and can't apply in a secure government situation"
This seems to argue that governments can't use open source in case one of their own coders alters it to make it insecure. This is ridiculous. I build bespoke software for a living, as do about 90% of coders worldwide. The trust question is far more wide-ranging than your argument suggests. Using closed source software merely moves the question of trust from people selected by a government to people whom they have never even met, who might even be contractors to the closed source company.
Windows was a *computing* term. So it is generic/in that context/.
This case isn't about whether windows (holes in walls) prevents MS from using the name, it's about whether windows (rectangles on screen) does.
J.
If you read a large thread further up, you'll see that that functionality can only sensibly be implemented at the application (browser) level. To do it at the DNS level will break the DNS model. This means that any of the many other applications that use DNS will be broken as they can no longer distinguish between real and fake domains.
Trivial example: spam sender checks will now resolve for all attempts, thus preventing simple blocking of spoofed senders. Want more spam?
For info, we in Britain change each of our notes every ten years or so. It's not an issue.
Personally I suggest that trying to stop counterfitting by making printers different is fucking stupid: counterfitters will buy either mod chips or printers made in China, and carry straight on.
But then it's always easier to just blame Americans isn't it?
Don't be touchy.
I didn't assume they were doing nothing, but I believe they are clearly not doing the right things if dollar bills can be simulated with just a fucking printer! The rest of the world is not rushing to HP's door, so I argue that there must be better ways.
All non-niche desktop software companies (which is 99% of them) need to offer their products on MS OSs or they will fail. That's cos MS has, what, 90% market share on desktops.
The deal with forcing them to allow OEMs to install software that they believe users want (like Moz with popup killing before the recent SP) is because they were using that market share to squeeze out competition - this is called 'ABUSE OF A MONOPOLY' and so they lost the case.
If you want to stop a monopoly abuser, you simply can't do it by persuading people to shop elsewhere: that's why there are laws for this.
You're just naive and I'm tired of hearing this shit.
I use it, but not on Windows. In terms of performance, I use an old box for my web stuff and it's plenty responsive enough for me.
In terms of ease of use, it's quite a different interface, although it sounds like 2 can be made closer to PS in MDI/floating terms. I understand that many people *really* didn't like the original The GIMP design of 'all windows float so there', but I got used to it really quickly. The tools system is very similar, but the menus are set up completely differently. It's like switching between Windows and KDE for example: a competent user of either will find it frustrating for a while.
I'd say *really* strongly "try it" - not just for your own potential benefit, but because people like you can offer feedback to the project that is vital: if you believe in FOSS, use it and report back what you thought.
Double balls and bollocks mate, Windows is a generic computing term going back ten years before Microsoft wrote 'Executive Manager' (which became Windows). They shouldn't have been allowed to trademark it, and anyway they've let it become diluted due to allowing the marketing of millions of programs called WinXXX.
Right at the start, they were turned down for the trademark request twice, then got given it unexpectedly on the third attempt. The truth of how that happened will come out in the Windows vs Lindows lawsuit (coming to groklaw in 2004, most likely!).
AIUI, the FSF own copyrights over a large selection of code fragments in the kernel. It's quite unlikely that DoCoMo would be able to strip out the FSF's code and still have a running kernel.
Anyway, anybody whose code is in the kernel can pursue any GPL-transgressor themselves if they like. In other words, Red Hat, IBM et al could chase it if they thought it was worth their while.
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I dunno, did it go away? Did they get any effective action against them? Or did they laugh and go about their day? Yeah, that was it. Plus, the OEMs that sell Beemers are allowed to change the radios. Fuckwit.
I'm reminded of Bill Hicks line when people complained about him going on about JFK...
"Come on man, it was a long time ago, just let it gom OK?"
"Long time ago, huh? OK, I'll leyt JFK go if you'll shut up about Jesus"
Or brilliant words to that effect ;-)
J.
This is the crux of it... currently the OEM restrictions are pure evil. The big one is the dual-boot clause: no non-Microsoft OS to dual boot with a Microsoft OS. So if you want to offer a version of Windows (and they all do), you can't offer Linux or *BSD (or previously, Be) on the same box.
This was the issue that the US govt wimped out on badly, and I'm hoping the EU will stand firm.
Justin.
This seems to argue that governments can't use open source in case one of their own coders alters it to make it insecure. This is ridiculous. I build bespoke software for a living, as do about 90% of coders worldwide. The trust question is far more wide-ranging than your argument suggests. Using closed source software merely moves the question of trust from people selected by a government to people whom they have never even met, who might even be contractors to the closed source company.
J.
Windows was a *computing* term. So it is generic /in that context/.
This case isn't about whether windows (holes in walls) prevents MS from using the name, it's about whether windows (rectangles on screen) does.
J.
If you read a large thread further up, you'll see that that functionality can only sensibly be implemented at the application (browser) level. To do it at the DNS level will break the DNS model. This means that any of the many other applications that use DNS will be broken as they can no longer distinguish between real and fake domains.
Trivial example: spam sender checks will now resolve for all attempts, thus preventing simple blocking of spoofed senders. Want more spam?
Justin.
s/assumed/concluded/
J.
Personally I suggest that trying to stop counterfitting by making printers different is fucking stupid: counterfitters will buy either mod chips or printers made in China, and carry straight on.
J.
Don't be touchy.
I didn't assume they were doing nothing, but I believe they are clearly not doing the right things if dollar bills can be simulated with just a fucking printer! The rest of the world is not rushing to HP's door, so I argue that there must be better ways.
J.
Apparently blind people think that's kind of good too.
J.
Oh, of course: because this way everyone in the developed world pays for it instead of the Americans. Hmmm.
Justin.
Ignored it in favour of the excellent porn now available?
Justin.
The deal with forcing them to allow OEMs to install software that they believe users want (like Moz with popup killing before the recent SP) is because they were using that market share to squeeze out competition - this is called 'ABUSE OF A MONOPOLY' and so they lost the case.
If you want to stop a monopoly abuser, you simply can't do it by persuading people to shop elsewhere: that's why there are laws for this.
You're just naive and I'm tired of hearing this shit.
Justin.
I use it, but not on Windows. In terms of performance, I use an old box for my web stuff and it's plenty responsive enough for me.
In terms of ease of use, it's quite a different interface, although it sounds like 2 can be made closer to PS in MDI/floating terms. I understand that many people *really* didn't like the original The GIMP design of 'all windows float so there', but I got used to it really quickly. The tools system is very similar, but the menus are set up completely differently. It's like switching between Windows and KDE for example: a competent user of either will find it frustrating for a while.
I'd say *really* strongly "try it" - not just for your own potential benefit, but because people like you can offer feedback to the project that is vital: if you believe in FOSS, use it and report back what you thought.
Justin.
Ah, I see what you mean. Not my call, I'm just a programmer at work. At home there's a much better setup - all linux, exim using the rbl, mozilla etc.
J.
I'm using Outlook 2000 at work, and it calls Mozilla when I click on a link. J.
Double balls and bollocks mate, Windows is a generic computing term going back ten years before Microsoft wrote 'Executive Manager' (which became Windows). They shouldn't have been allowed to trademark it, and anyway they've let it become diluted due to allowing the marketing of millions of programs called WinXXX.
Right at the start, they were turned down for the trademark request twice, then got given it unexpectedly on the third attempt. The truth of how that happened will come out in the Windows vs Lindows lawsuit (coming to groklaw in 2004, most likely!).
J.
Justin.
For example, all the userland stuff can go - just cos it'll have a user doesn't mean it needs to use the existing, highly secure multi-user stuff.
The multi-task stuff may well be of use, as phones are not RTE any more. The chips almost certainly are still, but certainly not the front end.
Justin.
AIUI, the FSF own copyrights over a large selection of code fragments in the kernel. It's quite unlikely that DoCoMo would be able to strip out the FSF's code and still have a running kernel.
Anyway, anybody whose code is in the kernel can pursue any GPL-transgressor themselves if they like. In other words, Red Hat, IBM et al could chase it if they thought it was worth their while.
J.
- Any file system using NTFS has the file we need, so we don't need to put it on the Knoppix CD.
- The reason that r/w drivers for NTFS don't exist is cos MS won't finalise the spec AIUI
- There already are r/w drivers for ext2/3/reiser, under both Win and Lin so what are you talking about?!
Justin.- industry paypackets will become much smaller
- industry output will drop by about 75%
- about half of all channels will close
- actors won't have to accept insane contracts for pilots
- Pay per view will dominate, with costs dropping with age of show
I don't have a problem with any of those.Justin.
J.
Auntie Beeb produces excellent television, for 126gbp pa or so.
J.
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(nicked)Justin.