Security is nice and all, but Longhorn is starting to remind me of heaven - a long way off with no concensus on what it is really like.
Guess you missed the Longhorn PDC build, the endless Longhorn build leaks that come out every couple of weeks, and the monthly videos MSDN has been putting out that showcase a new Longhorn technology by the devs who wrote it.
I don't get the need for people to imply it's "vaporware"--Longhorn is coming, and we need to be ready. There's a reason we have the Mono project...there are devs who recognize what the future will be.
...as if there is no other computing platform out there.
Uh, why would a company's leader talk about his competitors when he's talking about his own product?
Tell you what, Bill, we've got this stuff called "Linux" and "Mac OS X" out there, among others.
Yeah, let's compare their marketshare to that of Windows...though OS X is definitely making headway lately.
P.S. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm getting tired of people addressing "Bill" whenever they talk about Microsoft. "Yeah, Bill, do this-and-this." "Yeah, it's sure what Billy Gates wants." So clever and witty...
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Linux/*BSD will have a better GUI than Windows, more application and driver support than Windows, and an infinitely better design and development process.
Doubt it. Care to point to any signs that show this magical stride Linux is going to make?
OK, two out of four isn't bad. But Microsoft must be scared of something. Why is one of the wealthiest corporations in the world and its army of developers having so much trouble getting something out the door, and why is Bill going out of his way to appear to tow the line? Kind of spooky.
They're not having any "trouble." They're creating entirely new technologies for this new operating system. MSDN has been putting out "The.NET Show" videos every month showcasing the new technologies. People can make apps using XAML and a few lines of.NET code. One video shows the dev writing 10-15 line app that lets him update his website blog. They're hardware-accelerating everything, stripping out Win32, and revamping all of Windows. Where are we going to be at in 2006? KDE 3.5 and GNOME 2.8, with the same old XFree86 technology running beneath (oh, gee, it might be XServer instead which will, gasp, add transparency). Same old, same old.
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With Longhorn only coming out in 2006, hopefully Linux will make a huge push over the next couple of years to cement itself as a serious 'business desktop' platform.
People were saying this around 2002. Two years later, and KDE and GNOME are still pretty much the same, slowly taking evolutionary baby steps.
Longhorn is going to be entirely.NET and include things like Avalon, Indigo, WinFS, and so on. I guess what I'm saying is Microsoft is actually pushing to do a revolutionary release--this will be the same kind of change going from Windows 3.1 to 95 was.
Plus, I think Slashdotters ignore that people have Windows software and won't magically dump it all and switch to Linux simply because the next version of Windows is due out in 2006 instead of 2005. I see no signs whatsoever that signify Linux is going to make some sort of great stride in the next two years. In fact, things look much the same as they did two years ago, except that KDE and GNOME have, like, more buttons and stuff, and now we're supposed to be switching away from DevFS or something in our production kernels...
Personally, I think Apple is making incredible headway lately. They're Doing Everything Right(tm). If anyone's making strides today and in the next couple of years, it's Apple. OS X just gets better and better (and subsequently ripped off...).
Slashdot posts every single letter, lecture, and little throwaway statement Bill Gates in order to give the "M$"-bashers something to froth over.
Absolutely nothing new will be offered in the discussions for this article.
Meanwhile, Gentoo, Debian, GNU (twice!), and Gnome have all been hacked in the span of the last six months, and LinuxSecurity reports dozens of vulnerabilities for each distro every week alone.
It will always boil down to this--security as a criticism against Windows will always be something that's only valid to other Slashdotters. Most of the rest of the world doesn't see it that way, and the rational of us see it as an admin and user ignorance problem. When Slashdot posts articles with titles like "Another New Microsoft Hole" and it turns out to be a user-ran executable attachment worm (yes, this was a real article), or "Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China" simply because Windows is used by the government there (never mind that China has its own custom Linux distribution, but I doubt we'll ever see "OSS Violates Human Rights In China"), I can only shake my head and just wait for the next cool technology article.
Becuase that's why I first started coming to Slashdot--the cool tech news. Not "let's fill our daily quota of one 'bash M$' article per day." I used to go to K5 as an alternative because of the interesting tech articles that didn't get posted here, but at some point K5 became a liberal anti-Bush administration site. This place has become an anti-RIAA, anti-M$ site. I miss when there was no agenda other than being a cool site for nerds to get news on the latest Stallman lecture, Linux kernel technology, or programmer interview.
You can't get rid of the voice actors without killing a part of your show.
Hence the death of Maude Flanders because Fox wouldn't even pay the actress's travel expenses when she decided she shouldn't be paying for it in order to come to work on a show making Fox millions.
The rants around here strike of anti-capitalism. It's somehow bad for people in a business deal to demand a fair share of something making more money?
If you're ever the voice actor of a show that EXPLODES in popularity for the next 17 years and makes the channel millions of dollars, I'd sure like to see if you don't demand a fair share as well. But for some reason some people around here expect actors to make the same amount of money for 17 years no matter how many millions are going to Fox...
You know, the RIAA uses this same argument to justify paying the musicians squat.
Then musicians shouldn't be signing those "bad" contracts with the "evil" labels, and if people like you are so concerned, people shouldn't be pirating the hell out of their music so that they'll at least get something back.
By the way, the RIAA doesn't have anything to do with label contracts. It's the record labels that do it--the RIAA is just their public lobbying group. People have lumped the RIAA into being the entire music industry for some reason. Why not name names--Sony, Virgin, etc.
I think Linux would win a lot more converts if KDE and GNOME where less like Windows.
It's obvious that KDE is gearing for Windows and GNOME is gearing for Mac. GNOME will probably end up getting more converts that way, but the Slashdot weenies will come out in full force, like they did in the last 2.6 article in which they bitched about the spatial finder--even though the absolutely, 100% ridiculous "browser" metaphor for perusing folders is confusing and unnatural to anyone but...you guessed it...Slashdot weenies. It's like we're just supposed to accept that Internet browsers are the same as filesystem browsers simply because Windows 98 said so. Sorry, I'll never buy it.
Maybe if you only read Slashdot everyday. If you trust this place to convey the state of the world, Microsoft is a huge evil demon slapping people left and right, Linux is 100% perfect and never gets breached, every company in existence is suing everybody, and every lawsuit that has ever existed is simply "greedy lawyers" exploiting "faulty IP law."
Meanwhile, go outside and take a breath of fresh air. What happens here is actually pretty niche.
Look, lawyers don't look at it that way. Everyone has the right to sue (within reason), and lawyers are upholding the legal system by providing people with that ability.
We should be so lucky to live in a legal system in which you can sue the person harrassing you at work, or sue a company you are convinced put your intellectual property into a freeware operating system, and so on.
Lawyers don't go need to home "convincing" themselves that they're good human beings. It's their job to be hired, follow through in the best way they can, and let the judges decide. There's nothing immoral about it. You guys are assigning some sort of immoral motivation to them that doesn't exist. And it's not bad for them to make money either if the client pays them--that's called having a job and making a living.
It's easy for you guys to shit on SCO's lawyers, because you guys are Slashdotters who refresh this site over 10 times a day and use Linux. SCO represents some sort of great evil to you. But the lawyers can't have any sort of bias like that, because their job is to use the law to find a judgment. To the lawyers who got called up, SCO was simply some company wanting to legally pursue copyright infringement claims they believe existed. It's not the lawyer's job to make a judgment on their client, it's their job to take a case that they feel has a chance and pursue as best they can.
The thing is, as things like automation and such take over, that simply means the workforce needs to re-educate itself to take new jobs. Robots might replace workers on the assembly-line, but humans have to build, design, and maintain those robots as well as draw up the design for the cars. Similarly, computers have taken over the workforce, and consequently a lot of people have taken classes to teach themselves how to use computers.
Personally I think it's pretty hard to stay unemployed for a year or more in this nation. Even during the six months I was unemployed, there were a couple of jobs I could have taken, but I was holding out for something involving computers.
They run on a Mach kernel with some BSD userland tools.
Microsoft obviously has enough money to be a around for a long while. Even while their markets are being eaten left and right.
Heh, only on Slashdot do you see statements like this. "Microsoft's market is being eaten left and right!" I've been hearing that since 1998. Linux makes gains here and there, but it's mostly in markets in which UNIX has traditionally existed. Nobody's market is really being eaten except for UNIX. Windows is so fine-grained in the populace, it's become synonymous with computing for most of the world. Contrary to the "frustration" stories you always here, most people are happy with Windows. I can't imagine their frustration stories if given a copy of Linux...
I find it extremely simple to, say, call an open button "Open" and not, say, "://" with a tooltip of "MRL browser" like in Xine. I mean, really, there are endless examples. KDE is an overwhelming mess of buttons and options, when the whole thing could be so much simpler.
...heaven forbid someone complain about something non-techies consider important, like poor anti-aliasing, the inability to compile packages, and the usability of GRUB and LILO.
I read a review once where Eugenia complained about the spacing between menus. Yes, believe it or not, those are things that graphics designers would care about because it has to do with subtle factors in user interaction.
But, go ahead and stick to the reviews that are techie-only if you wanna.
How is this new database any different from LinuxSecurity.com? That site tracks several hundred vulnerabilities a week for all the distros (yes, buffer overflows and exploits and everything...stuff Slashdot doesn't ever report!)
Yes, it's "whiny" to point out how bad a whole day's worth of lame stories is. I should just sit back and not voice an opinion except when it is pro-Slashdot.
You know, if you actually tried to make it look real, it would be more funny.
Some of your section headings had correct capitalizations, others didn't. Almost as bad as michael's posts earlier today that were almost entirely in lowercase. Right off the bat you can tell it's a cheesy writeup.
This "it's so stupid we have to post it" mentality doesn't make me laugh, it makes me roll my eyes!
I really wish michael wasn't at the helm today. The crap that's getting posted is roll-your-eyes, "we're supposed to laugh because it's so stupid" humor, which most of us outgrew after 9th grade.
The April Fool's Days in the past used to be great because you never knew which was real and which was fake. A really absurd story might have this strange grain of reality in it, and it would turn out to be true. Then the seemingly benign announcement would turn out to be a great prank. People would still be referencing the April Fool's posts in their comments on April 2nd.
The point of an April Fool's joke is to actually fall for the joke. Not this lame, "it's stupid so we'll post it" strategy that michael is employing. Real-life l33t names? Usenet audio? Using the internet for free food? These barely even qualify as April Fool's jokes. Most of them aren't even trying to fool you with anything. Posting really stupid shit isn't funny, and it's not clever.
What's worse, I know of several groups that crafted well-done April Fool's jokes and submitted them for today, and they have been rejected. Their greatness was that some of them were half-true, some were false but had entire websites and everything set up, and some were completely absurd but totally true.
Instead, we get "Using the internet for free food?"
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Good lord, man, you're supposed to be randomly referencing Gentoo when you do that! FreeBSD? Debian?!
P.S. If Gentoo's portage was ported to FreeBSD 5.x, I'd be a happy man indeed.
Security is nice and all, but Longhorn is starting to remind me of heaven - a long way off with no concensus on what it is really like.
Guess you missed the Longhorn PDC build, the endless Longhorn build leaks that come out every couple of weeks, and the monthly videos MSDN has been putting out that showcase a new Longhorn technology by the devs who wrote it.
I don't get the need for people to imply it's "vaporware"--Longhorn is coming, and we need to be ready. There's a reason we have the Mono project...there are devs who recognize what the future will be.
Uh, why would a company's leader talk about his competitors when he's talking about his own product?
Tell you what, Bill, we've got this stuff called "Linux" and "Mac OS X" out there, among others.
Yeah, let's compare their marketshare to that of Windows...though OS X is definitely making headway lately.
P.S. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm getting tired of people addressing "Bill" whenever they talk about Microsoft. "Yeah, Bill, do this-and-this." "Yeah, it's sure what Billy Gates wants." So clever and witty...
Linux/*BSD will have a better GUI than Windows, more application and driver support than Windows, and an infinitely better design and development process.
.NET Show" videos every month showcasing the new technologies. People can make apps using XAML and a few lines of .NET code. One video shows the dev writing 10-15 line app that lets him update his website blog. They're hardware-accelerating everything, stripping out Win32, and revamping all of Windows. Where are we going to be at in 2006? KDE 3.5 and GNOME 2.8, with the same old XFree86 technology running beneath (oh, gee, it might be XServer instead which will, gasp, add transparency). Same old, same old.
Doubt it. Care to point to any signs that show this magical stride Linux is going to make?
OK, two out of four isn't bad. But Microsoft must be scared of something. Why is one of the wealthiest corporations in the world and its army of developers having so much trouble getting something out the door, and why is Bill going out of his way to appear to tow the line? Kind of spooky.
They're not having any "trouble." They're creating entirely new technologies for this new operating system. MSDN has been putting out "The
With Longhorn only coming out in 2006, hopefully Linux will make a huge push over the next couple of years to cement itself as a serious 'business desktop' platform.
.NET and include things like Avalon, Indigo, WinFS, and so on. I guess what I'm saying is Microsoft is actually pushing to do a revolutionary release--this will be the same kind of change going from Windows 3.1 to 95 was.
People were saying this around 2002. Two years later, and KDE and GNOME are still pretty much the same, slowly taking evolutionary baby steps.
Longhorn is going to be entirely
Plus, I think Slashdotters ignore that people have Windows software and won't magically dump it all and switch to Linux simply because the next version of Windows is due out in 2006 instead of 2005. I see no signs whatsoever that signify Linux is going to make some sort of great stride in the next two years. In fact, things look much the same as they did two years ago, except that KDE and GNOME have, like, more buttons and stuff, and now we're supposed to be switching away from DevFS or something in our production kernels...
Personally, I think Apple is making incredible headway lately. They're Doing Everything Right(tm). If anyone's making strides today and in the next couple of years, it's Apple. OS X just gets better and better (and subsequently ripped off...).
Slashdot posts every single letter, lecture, and little throwaway statement Bill Gates in order to give the "M$"-bashers something to froth over.
Absolutely nothing new will be offered in the discussions for this article.
Meanwhile, Gentoo, Debian, GNU (twice!), and Gnome have all been hacked in the span of the last six months, and LinuxSecurity reports dozens of vulnerabilities for each distro every week alone.
It will always boil down to this--security as a criticism against Windows will always be something that's only valid to other Slashdotters. Most of the rest of the world doesn't see it that way, and the rational of us see it as an admin and user ignorance problem. When Slashdot posts articles with titles like "Another New Microsoft Hole" and it turns out to be a user-ran executable attachment worm (yes, this was a real article), or "Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China" simply because Windows is used by the government there (never mind that China has its own custom Linux distribution, but I doubt we'll ever see "OSS Violates Human Rights In China"), I can only shake my head and just wait for the next cool technology article.
Becuase that's why I first started coming to Slashdot--the cool tech news. Not "let's fill our daily quota of one 'bash M$' article per day." I used to go to K5 as an alternative because of the interesting tech articles that didn't get posted here, but at some point K5 became a liberal anti-Bush administration site. This place has become an anti-RIAA, anti-M$ site. I miss when there was no agenda other than being a cool site for nerds to get news on the latest Stallman lecture, Linux kernel technology, or programmer interview.
You can't get rid of the voice actors without killing a part of your show.
Hence the death of Maude Flanders because Fox wouldn't even pay the actress's travel expenses when she decided she shouldn't be paying for it in order to come to work on a show making Fox millions.
The rants around here strike of anti-capitalism. It's somehow bad for people in a business deal to demand a fair share of something making more money?
If you're ever the voice actor of a show that EXPLODES in popularity for the next 17 years and makes the channel millions of dollars, I'd sure like to see if you don't demand a fair share as well. But for some reason some people around here expect actors to make the same amount of money for 17 years no matter how many millions are going to Fox...
You know, the RIAA uses this same argument to justify paying the musicians squat.
Then musicians shouldn't be signing those "bad" contracts with the "evil" labels, and if people like you are so concerned, people shouldn't be pirating the hell out of their music so that they'll at least get something back.
By the way, the RIAA doesn't have anything to do with label contracts. It's the record labels that do it--the RIAA is just their public lobbying group. People have lumped the RIAA into being the entire music industry for some reason. Why not name names--Sony, Virgin, etc.
I think Linux would win a lot more converts if KDE and GNOME where less like Windows.
It's obvious that KDE is gearing for Windows and GNOME is gearing for Mac. GNOME will probably end up getting more converts that way, but the Slashdot weenies will come out in full force, like they did in the last 2.6 article in which they bitched about the spatial finder--even though the absolutely, 100% ridiculous "browser" metaphor for perusing folders is confusing and unnatural to anyone but...you guessed it...Slashdot weenies. It's like we're just supposed to accept that Internet browsers are the same as filesystem browsers simply because Windows 98 said so. Sorry, I'll never buy it.
I like that your post got +5 Insightful for simply stating "No, you're wrong, it's different. I rest my case."
BSD is considered by most to be the most direct descendent of UNIX, yet it can even run Linux binaries!
All the power of all the coders of the world, and what do we do--create a UNIX clone, then create a Windows clone on top of it.
Maybe if you only read Slashdot everyday. If you trust this place to convey the state of the world, Microsoft is a huge evil demon slapping people left and right, Linux is 100% perfect and never gets breached, every company in existence is suing everybody, and every lawsuit that has ever existed is simply "greedy lawyers" exploiting "faulty IP law."
Meanwhile, go outside and take a breath of fresh air. What happens here is actually pretty niche.
Look, lawyers don't look at it that way. Everyone has the right to sue (within reason), and lawyers are upholding the legal system by providing people with that ability.
We should be so lucky to live in a legal system in which you can sue the person harrassing you at work, or sue a company you are convinced put your intellectual property into a freeware operating system, and so on.
Lawyers don't go need to home "convincing" themselves that they're good human beings. It's their job to be hired, follow through in the best way they can, and let the judges decide. There's nothing immoral about it. You guys are assigning some sort of immoral motivation to them that doesn't exist. And it's not bad for them to make money either if the client pays them--that's called having a job and making a living.
It's easy for you guys to shit on SCO's lawyers, because you guys are Slashdotters who refresh this site over 10 times a day and use Linux. SCO represents some sort of great evil to you. But the lawyers can't have any sort of bias like that, because their job is to use the law to find a judgment. To the lawyers who got called up, SCO was simply some company wanting to legally pursue copyright infringement claims they believe existed. It's not the lawyer's job to make a judgment on their client, it's their job to take a case that they feel has a chance and pursue as best they can.
The thing is, as things like automation and such take over, that simply means the workforce needs to re-educate itself to take new jobs. Robots might replace workers on the assembly-line, but humans have to build, design, and maintain those robots as well as draw up the design for the cars. Similarly, computers have taken over the workforce, and consequently a lot of people have taken classes to teach themselves how to use computers.
Personally I think it's pretty hard to stay unemployed for a year or more in this nation. Even during the six months I was unemployed, there were a couple of jobs I could have taken, but I was holding out for something involving computers.
I have; it states it's a Mach kernel with some BSD-level APIs, among other things.
Mac's are BSD based.
They run on a Mach kernel with some BSD userland tools.
Microsoft obviously has enough money to be a around for a long while. Even while their markets are being eaten left and right.
Heh, only on Slashdot do you see statements like this. "Microsoft's market is being eaten left and right!" I've been hearing that since 1998. Linux makes gains here and there, but it's mostly in markets in which UNIX has traditionally existed. Nobody's market is really being eaten except for UNIX. Windows is so fine-grained in the populace, it's become synonymous with computing for most of the world. Contrary to the "frustration" stories you always here, most people are happy with Windows. I can't imagine their frustration stories if given a copy of Linux...
Never said she was a graphic designer. I was merely pointing out that the issues graphic designers would be concerned about are ignored by techies.
The rest of your post was a bizarre troll that some crackfiend actually modded as "Insightful."
I find it extremely simple to, say, call an open button "Open" and not, say, "://" with a tooltip of "MRL browser" like in Xine. I mean, really, there are endless examples. KDE is an overwhelming mess of buttons and options, when the whole thing could be so much simpler.
...heaven forbid someone complain about something non-techies consider important, like poor anti-aliasing, the inability to compile packages, and the usability of GRUB and LILO.
I read a review once where Eugenia complained about the spacing between menus. Yes, believe it or not, those are things that graphics designers would care about because it has to do with subtle factors in user interaction.
But, go ahead and stick to the reviews that are techie-only if you wanna.
How is this new database any different from LinuxSecurity.com? That site tracks several hundred vulnerabilities a week for all the distros (yes, buffer overflows and exploits and everything...stuff Slashdot doesn't ever report!)
Yes, it's "whiny" to point out how bad a whole day's worth of lame stories is. I should just sit back and not voice an opinion except when it is pro-Slashdot.
You know, if you actually tried to make it look real, it would be more funny.
Some of your section headings had correct capitalizations, others didn't. Almost as bad as michael's posts earlier today that were almost entirely in lowercase. Right off the bat you can tell it's a cheesy writeup.
This "it's so stupid we have to post it" mentality doesn't make me laugh, it makes me roll my eyes!
"Don't want to get screwed over? No bush in 2004."
Good idea. I'll vote for Nader.
I really wish michael wasn't at the helm today. The crap that's getting posted is roll-your-eyes, "we're supposed to laugh because it's so stupid" humor, which most of us outgrew after 9th grade.
The April Fool's Days in the past used to be great because you never knew which was real and which was fake. A really absurd story might have this strange grain of reality in it, and it would turn out to be true. Then the seemingly benign announcement would turn out to be a great prank. People would still be referencing the April Fool's posts in their comments on April 2nd.
The point of an April Fool's joke is to actually fall for the joke. Not this lame, "it's stupid so we'll post it" strategy that michael is employing. Real-life l33t names? Usenet audio? Using the internet for free food? These barely even qualify as April Fool's jokes. Most of them aren't even trying to fool you with anything. Posting really stupid shit isn't funny, and it's not clever.
What's worse, I know of several groups that crafted well-done April Fool's jokes and submitted them for today, and they have been rejected. Their greatness was that some of them were half-true, some were false but had entire websites and everything set up, and some were completely absurd but totally true.
Instead, we get "Using the internet for free food?"