What's so "ugh" about visual design? Slashdotters will "ugh" at it because Bill Gates said it, then rip off Microsoft's next visual design product when it comes out.
Just like how they "ugh" at Windows' alleged "bad" inteface yet rip off its taskbar, start menu, widget locations, dialog boxes, and more.
Both windows and mac did the spatial thing and both dumped it because it was universaly hated by users.
Nobody said it was new. But it is better. I deal with tech support at my real estate company company. Absolutely none of the agents here understand the concept of the "Up" button, or Back and Forward buttons, etc. when opening folders.
They don't understand that double-clicking the yellow folder opens a "browser" displaying that folder, they think they're opening the folder itself. It's how the human brain works.
A three hour movie about dwarves and elves filmed in New Zealand with Elvish subtitles, Aragorn saying things like "Not idly do the leaves of Lorien fall," and so many convoluted back stories and places with strange names that many people who saw the first two still had no idea what the hell was going on. "The blood of Numenor is all but spent"...wha?
They expected some success but I'm sure not on the level it achieved. LOTR was a popular book but not THAT popular--it was always a geek thing. Once again, Slashdotters assume their niche opinions represent the majority.
I doubt you'd ever be happy with Slashdot's anti-MS tint, even if the site was funded by CmdrTaco's lottery winnings.
That's completely irrelevant. If Slashdot was anti-M$ by itself, fine. But the fact that a Linux company owns it changes things. Think if Microsoft owned a "news for nerds"-type tech site that was always posting anti-Linux articles with the same bizarre slant Slashdot has. You'd be up in arms.
I have no sympathy for people who have so many good choices that they have trouble choosing just one. None.
Wow. You're so heroic.
Your problem is that you think NORMAL people--i.e., people who don't visit Slashdot 10+ times a day and download the latest point release of something called "GNOME"--have the time, energy, and patience to learn which of their 8 text editors is the best. To them, the whole idea is ridiculous, and they'll ask you, "why don't they just make one good one?"
Are you going to whine at them how you have no sympathy for people who blah blah blah something about poor people in India blah blah blah, or are you just going to nod and agree like any sane person would?
The day anti-social, non-approachable nerds like you (this is not a troll but an accurate description of the mindset) stop controlling the direction of the Linux desktop community is the day it finally starts gaining real momentum outside of its current niche position.
The entertainment industry as a whole is hitting a brick wall. Hollywood keeps making 'safe' movies and rehashing old ones for guaranteed hits. The game industry is doing the same thing.
You're kidding, right? Have you seen:
* Any of the decidedly non-safe LOTR movies? * American Beauty? * Lost In Translation? * The Matrix films (whether or not it's your thing) * And tons more I can't list off the top of my head right now because it's 1:42AM and I'm tired...
He claimed that the RIAA is claiming that piracy is hurting sales, and then pointed out that their hand-wringing was contradicted by their continued success.
What continued success? Sales have been down every year. Oh, but Australia's was up. Which leads me to...
Well, first of all, -2 points for assuming that all of Slashdot has a single opinion on anything....the fact that Slashdot's editors constantly post the viewpoint I described. I didn't say Slashdotters, I said Slashdot.
If you've never understood the reasoning behind people arguing that sharing a product also being sold doesn't automatically hurt sales, you are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "advertising".
Yes, this laugh-out-loud argument is something I've seen posted over and over. Somehow, stealing someone's works by violating their copyright is "advertising." It's complete spin put in place by people attempting to justify their illegal acts. There is nothing moral or legal about taking an artist's works without their permission. And then you have the GALL to call it "advertising."
Sequels are chosen because they're safer and more prone to make money. PC game publishers are worried because piracy is eating into sales so badly. Consoles are a little safer, particularly the Gamecube.
It's the great unspoken truth that Slashdot won't admit. Rampant game piracy is a problem. Look at all the stupid copy protection we have to go through. It is still insane to expect people to have to put in a game CD every time they play, but publishers make the development teams put them in.
We all know how well that one was received thanks to the success of its predecessor.
Even sadder is reading interviews with Warren Spector. He still doesn't get it. He wants Deus Ex 3 to be as different from 2 as 2 was from 1. Pretty please can I get a true Deus Ex sequel?
Really, the reason we get so many sequels is because of the idea of "remaking" the game we loved using better technology. Doom 3 is a remake of Doom with today's graphics. Half-Life 2 is a remake of the first one as well. I'm using "remake" in the non-literal sense. It's like when I loved WarCraft 1 and heard WarCraft 2 was coming out...I immediately thought about how new video cards, more RAM, and CD-ROM drives would mean better graphics, more units, and a better soundtrack.
How is this a -1 Troll? The person claimed there was absolutely no reason for major websites to work on one browser. My point was that the browser they're designed for owns the majority of the net.
Well, you can believe the RIAA's story that piracy is hurting sales
You honestly, truly, 100% believe that having something being put online for free download for everyone doesn't affect its sales in the stores?
I've never understood Slashdot's reasoning for this. Piracy has no connection and doesn't hurt sales, yet when sales go up in Australia, suddenly piracy has a connection to sales.
Ok, so in general, Slashdot is anti-Microsoft. What, precisely, is your point?
You don't find it a bit twisted that VA Linux owns a site called Slashdot that posts articles that bashes competitors and calls it "tech news?" Imagine the outcry if some other company owned a site that called itself a news site and posted articles negative toward Linux. We'd hear endless rants from the zealots about how it's "biased."
...so it doesn't really matter if it was created on Windows or not. Macs have Office, too, you know. So it doesn't really matter if this document was created on a Mac.
Shows how juvenile Slashdotters are, though. "BAM! We got 'em! Their PDF was created on a Mac, so haha to them!"
A company marketing their product as better than another is suddenly a "FUD Machine Aiming At OpenOffice.org."
Then I look up and see that michael posted this...no surprise. As someone else posted, I notice a big Microsoft banner ad on the site. It's hilarious how many people forget that SLASHDOT IS CORPORATE-OWNED--there is a bit of a conflict of interests in declaring competition like Microsoft to be evil and pass it off as tech news, don't you think?
This is off-topic, but what a lot of people don't know is that Prince was battling with his record label, and so he changed his named to "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" to spite them, something to do with ownership. However, that didn't work, so then he changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol. Perhaps someone else can describe the full story since I can't find it on Google.
Now he's back to Prince. But most people never heard about all that stuff so they make fun of the guy for being pretentious and full of himself when it was really a behind-the-scenes battle to spite his record label.
And yet, whenever there's an article about C#, a bunch of Slashdotters come on pissing and moaning about "Why switch away from C++?" thereby completely missing the point of moving to C# (which, by the way, is an amazing and simple language).
...that we don't really know what Mozilla's plans are about Firefox? I remember how Firefox was supposed to be integrated into the suite around, oh, 1.5 or so...that time passed and you haven't heard a peep about any changes. We're up to Mozilla beta 1.7 now. Are Firefox and Mozilla EVER going to integrate all their efforts into Firefox, or will we keep doing this every Slashdot article, where someone asks when they're going to integrate and someone else answers that they don't really know?
Reminds me of that "Barriers to Open Source" article posted recently, which listed "lack of a roadmap" as one of the negatives...
1.) I thought they planned to do that, integrating Firefox at some point and calling it the Mozilla Web Browser.
2.) How is calling it "Web Browser" taking a page from Microsoft's book? Last I checked, it was Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Visual Studio.NET, etc. I know you're trying to make some point about generic trademarks, but that's why Microsoft prefixes everything with their company name. Besides, "Internet Explorer" isn't all that generic anyway and is actually a really good name for a web browser.
Honestly, I have never noticed Firefox or Mozilla to be faster than IE. Ignoring the fact that IE's DLLs are loaded into memory on startup to begin with, Mozilla and Firefox, because they implement all their own native widgets for no good reason, hog huge amounts of memory for me. Loading them up takes forever, opening and closing tabs sucks up resources, and worst of all, just opening menus and moving around in them is slow and laggy because they're not native.
As a native Windows application tied into the system, IE already has a distinct speed advantage. To pretend Mozilla and Firefox are somehow faster is something I've never been able to do.
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What's so "ugh" about visual design? Slashdotters will "ugh" at it because Bill Gates said it, then rip off Microsoft's next visual design product when it comes out.
Just like how they "ugh" at Windows' alleged "bad" inteface yet rip off its taskbar, start menu, widget locations, dialog boxes, and more.
Both windows and mac did the spatial thing and both dumped it because it was universaly hated by users.
Nobody said it was new. But it is better. I deal with tech support at my real estate company company. Absolutely none of the agents here understand the concept of the "Up" button, or Back and Forward buttons, etc. when opening folders.
They don't understand that double-clicking the yellow folder opens a "browser" displaying that folder, they think they're opening the folder itself. It's how the human brain works.
A three hour movie about dwarves and elves filmed in New Zealand with Elvish subtitles, Aragorn saying things like "Not idly do the leaves of Lorien fall," and so many convoluted back stories and places with strange names that many people who saw the first two still had no idea what the hell was going on. "The blood of Numenor is all but spent"...wha?
They expected some success but I'm sure not on the level it achieved. LOTR was a popular book but not THAT popular--it was always a geek thing. Once again, Slashdotters assume their niche opinions represent the majority.
I doubt you'd ever be happy with Slashdot's anti-MS tint, even if the site was funded by CmdrTaco's lottery winnings.
That's completely irrelevant. If Slashdot was anti-M$ by itself, fine. But the fact that a Linux company owns it changes things. Think if Microsoft owned a "news for nerds"-type tech site that was always posting anti-Linux articles with the same bizarre slant Slashdot has. You'd be up in arms.
This is a step backwards, and one that will slow down making any inroads into the corporate or personal desktop.
Absolutely, 100% wrong.
Instead of completely tearing apart your idea that spatial is a "step backwards," I'll let a better-written article say it for me.
I have no sympathy for people who have so many good choices that they have trouble choosing just one. None.
Wow. You're so heroic.
Your problem is that you think NORMAL people--i.e., people who don't visit Slashdot 10+ times a day and download the latest point release of something called "GNOME"--have the time, energy, and patience to learn which of their 8 text editors is the best. To them, the whole idea is ridiculous, and they'll ask you, "why don't they just make one good one?"
Are you going to whine at them how you have no sympathy for people who blah blah blah something about poor people in India blah blah blah, or are you just going to nod and agree like any sane person would?
The day anti-social, non-approachable nerds like you (this is not a troll but an accurate description of the mindset) stop controlling the direction of the Linux desktop community is the day it finally starts gaining real momentum outside of its current niche position.
The entertainment industry as a whole is hitting a brick wall. Hollywood keeps making 'safe' movies and rehashing old ones for guaranteed hits. The game industry is doing the same thing.
You're kidding, right? Have you seen:
* Any of the decidedly non-safe LOTR movies?
* American Beauty?
* Lost In Translation?
* The Matrix films (whether or not it's your thing)
* And tons more I can't list off the top of my head right now because it's 1:42AM and I'm tired...
He claimed that the RIAA is claiming that piracy is hurting sales, and then pointed out that their hand-wringing was contradicted by their continued success.
...the fact that Slashdot's editors constantly post the viewpoint I described. I didn't say Slashdotters, I said Slashdot.
What continued success? Sales have been down every year. Oh, but Australia's was up. Which leads me to...
Well, first of all, -2 points for assuming that all of Slashdot has a single opinion on anything.
If you've never understood the reasoning behind people arguing that sharing a product also being sold doesn't automatically hurt sales, you are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "advertising".
Yes, this laugh-out-loud argument is something I've seen posted over and over. Somehow, stealing someone's works by violating their copyright is "advertising." It's complete spin put in place by people attempting to justify their illegal acts. There is nothing moral or legal about taking an artist's works without their permission. And then you have the GALL to call it "advertising."
It's depressing.
Sequels are chosen because they're safer and more prone to make money. PC game publishers are worried because piracy is eating into sales so badly. Consoles are a little safer, particularly the Gamecube.
It's the great unspoken truth that Slashdot won't admit. Rampant game piracy is a problem. Look at all the stupid copy protection we have to go through. It is still insane to expect people to have to put in a game CD every time they play, but publishers make the development teams put them in.
We all know how well that one was received thanks to the success of its predecessor.
Even sadder is reading interviews with Warren Spector. He still doesn't get it. He wants Deus Ex 3 to be as different from 2 as 2 was from 1. Pretty please can I get a true Deus Ex sequel?
Really, the reason we get so many sequels is because of the idea of "remaking" the game we loved using better technology. Doom 3 is a remake of Doom with today's graphics. Half-Life 2 is a remake of the first one as well. I'm using "remake" in the non-literal sense. It's like when I loved WarCraft 1 and heard WarCraft 2 was coming out...I immediately thought about how new video cards, more RAM, and CD-ROM drives would mean better graphics, more units, and a better soundtrack.
How is this a -1 Troll? The person claimed there was absolutely no reason for major websites to work on one browser. My point was that the browser they're designed for owns the majority of the net.
I wasn't trolling, merely stating a reason.
Well, you can believe the RIAA's story that piracy is hurting sales
You honestly, truly, 100% believe that having something being put online for free download for everyone doesn't affect its sales in the stores?
I've never understood Slashdot's reasoning for this. Piracy has no connection and doesn't hurt sales, yet when sales go up in Australia, suddenly piracy has a connection to sales.
Ok, so in general, Slashdot is anti-Microsoft. What, precisely, is your point?
You don't find it a bit twisted that VA Linux owns a site called Slashdot that posts articles that bashes competitors and calls it "tech news?" Imagine the outcry if some other company owned a site that called itself a news site and posted articles negative toward Linux. We'd hear endless rants from the zealots about how it's "biased."
Uh, if you're on MSDN, you can. MSDN even had Office 2003 months before retail did.
...so it doesn't really matter if it was created on Windows or not. Macs have Office, too, you know. So it doesn't really matter if this document was created on a Mac.
Shows how juvenile Slashdotters are, though. "BAM! We got 'em! Their PDF was created on a Mac, so haha to them!"
A company marketing their product as better than another is suddenly a "FUD Machine Aiming At OpenOffice.org."
Then I look up and see that michael posted this...no surprise. As someone else posted, I notice a big Microsoft banner ad on the site. It's hilarious how many people forget that SLASHDOT IS CORPORATE-OWNED--there is a bit of a conflict of interests in declaring competition like Microsoft to be evil and pass it off as tech news, don't you think?
This is off-topic, but what a lot of people don't know is that Prince was battling with his record label, and so he changed his named to "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince" to spite them, something to do with ownership. However, that didn't work, so then he changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol. Perhaps someone else can describe the full story since I can't find it on Google.
Now he's back to Prince. But most people never heard about all that stuff so they make fun of the guy for being pretentious and full of himself when it was really a behind-the-scenes battle to spite his record label.
And yet, whenever there's an article about C#, a bunch of Slashdotters come on pissing and moaning about "Why switch away from C++?" thereby completely missing the point of moving to C# (which, by the way, is an amazing and simple language).
...that we don't really know what Mozilla's plans are about Firefox? I remember how Firefox was supposed to be integrated into the suite around, oh, 1.5 or so...that time passed and you haven't heard a peep about any changes. We're up to Mozilla beta 1.7 now. Are Firefox and Mozilla EVER going to integrate all their efforts into Firefox, or will we keep doing this every Slashdot article, where someone asks when they're going to integrate and someone else answers that they don't really know?
Reminds me of that "Barriers to Open Source" article posted recently, which listed "lack of a roadmap" as one of the negatives...
1.) I thought they planned to do that, integrating Firefox at some point and calling it the Mozilla Web Browser.
.NET, etc. I know you're trying to make some point about generic trademarks, but that's why Microsoft prefixes everything with their company name. Besides, "Internet Explorer" isn't all that generic anyway and is actually a really good name for a web browser.
2.) How is calling it "Web Browser" taking a page from Microsoft's book? Last I checked, it was Microsoft Internet Explorer, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Visual Studio
but there is absolutely NO REASON that any website this day in age shouldn't be able to funciton on all browsers.
How about the "REASON" that IE is about 95+% of browser usage on the net?
Honestly, I have never noticed Firefox or Mozilla to be faster than IE. Ignoring the fact that IE's DLLs are loaded into memory on startup to begin with, Mozilla and Firefox, because they implement all their own native widgets for no good reason, hog huge amounts of memory for me. Loading them up takes forever, opening and closing tabs sucks up resources, and worst of all, just opening menus and moving around in them is slow and laggy because they're not native.
As a native Windows application tied into the system, IE already has a distinct speed advantage. To pretend Mozilla and Firefox are somehow faster is something I've never been able to do.
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It's listed at anti-slash.org right now. The link will alternate from mirror to Bearload link; it uses one of anti-slash's troll tools.
The parent post is listed on www.anti-slash.org as a troll to get modded up, titled "Excellent Anti-American Troll at +5. Keep it there please."
Congratulations for taking the bait.