If you're that ignorant of environmental science (not religion, you fucktard, quit using religion as a crutch - even if you don't like it, you're still using it as a crutch instead of standing on your own two feet like a real man) then you need to just get the fuck out of here and die already. You do more damage to our planet than a plague.
So no answer to the question then. It's actually a very simple question. There's no need to get defensive. You're welcome to your religious beliefs. The answer is that landfills are sinful in your religion. That's 100% ok for you to believe that. And it's easier and less emotionally troubling than thinking about it.
Try to be more tolerant of non-believers though. "It's a sin" is for you guys, not for the rest of us. The rest of us might agree that landfills are bad if someone could explain it somehow. Otherwise, there's no reason to agree that they are bad.
You're really saying that running multiple machines and remotely accessing them to run software sounds less strange to you? I think you might be a bit out of touch there, surely you don't actually believe that.
Yes. Because I can run Linux on any throwaway desktop for a few dollars. Or a powerful desktop if I need power. A Mac laptop will be vastly more expensive for the amount of power in either case. It's inferior for both workloads. Can you think of any workload where it wouldn't be inferior? I can't.
If I’m too poor to buy a cheap desktop, then why am I buying a very high priced Mac laptop?
If I just don't want to bother with a separate machine, I can run Linux in a VM. That's easier than rebooting to switch back and forth. Or I can rebuild binaries on my Mac and run native.
Booting into Linux doean't seem to meet any practical need better than the alternatives.
I don't think boot camp is that popular. But I don't know for sure.
Running desktop Linux on a laptop seems like a strange thing to do. If I want to use Linux software on my laptop, I will run the software remotely and display it on my laptop screen. No need to reboot that way. If I need Windows, I will either do the same, or run in a VM. That will work for more-or-less anything besides games — and a Mac laptop is just a bad choice for games, but I can use bootcamp and boot into Windows if one of the dozens of better choices for games isn't available.
No. I shall simply treat you with the contempt you deserve.
Unbelievers and heretics are often treated thusly by religious folk — especially self-righteous ones like yourself. It's easier than thinking and less emotionally troubling than questioning your beliefs.
And I don't want to argue you out of your religion anyway. People have a right to their faith.
If you haven't grasped any part of environmentalism by now
I understand the practical parts of environmentalism based on solving real problems.
I also understand what's wrong with landfills: they're considered sinful. Being against them is environmentally righteous and emotionally fulfilling for believers. No facts needed or wanted.
In some ways its worse for humanity as a social construct to recycle your crap at those centers. I'm not even sure if its better for the planet to do it except to stop humans from strip mining more rare elements and making it that much more difficult for the next intelligent species to evolve after us to make circuits...
There's a couple of statements based on... well, not based on reality.
Humanity is the same regardless of whether you heap junk in your house or recycle it. There's no practical or rational or factual basis to worry about some future species. It makes sense as a religion though.
Yep, if only for safety. Small-pitch seats are much more difficult to evacuate in an emergency than seats with more legroom.
The last fatal crash of a US airliner was in 2009. The need to evacuate an aircraft is a 1 in 100 million event, and the odds get higher every year. They already solved the safety issue by not crashing the planes.
It works the other way too.. pretending a problem isn't real doesn't mean it goes away.
Adding perfectly good working machines to the landfill adds both unnecessary waste and removes the machine from being able to be used by others less fortunate
So don’t do that. Continue running macOS on it. Or buy some other laptop that meets your religious needs.
How is ensuring can still be used after 5 years not a real problem? eWaste is a real problem and machines older than 5 years still have lots of life left.
For the record, I'm running a 5 year old ThinkPad and have no intentions on purchasing something new for the foreseeable future.
I disagree. Pretending a problem is real doesn't make it real.
So what are people supposed to do when Apple finally stops supporting said hardware and the hardware owner wants to use a different operating system on the hardware he or she purchased?
You mean like in the year 2031? Maybe learn to deal with reality a little better sometime between now and then.
Have you awakened to the understanding that you don't have the political power to magically transform the healthcare system into the precise system you wish for (because someone told you another country has it)?
Once you do, that leads away from fantasyland and toward focusing on changes someone might actually be able to enact. Until you guys wake up and stop dreaming and storytelling and fantasiizing, it will be impossible to make substantial realistic improvements.
Being mad that your fantasies aren’t magically coming true isn’t solving any problems with the healthcare system. You can continue to call me nihilistic for not believing in Santa Claus though.
So on the one hand you are right - hunger and poverty have human causes.
Hunger and poverty are the natural state of life. They aren't caused by humanity, they are solved by humanity — except during disasters or when someone gets in the way.
- Grievance-obsession is not idealism. - Making up stories about bad things that might happen is not idealism. - Beefing about people or condescending to people or looking down on people in other states who aren't like you is not idealism. - Bigotry against religion is not idealism. - Name-calling is not idealism. - Self-obsession is not idealism. - Wanting to spend money other people earned is not idealism. - Choosing to side with one group over another group is not idealism. - Rejection of science in favor of storytelling about diversity is not idealism.
Idealism rejects all of these things. Idealism tells the truth and treats everyone with goodwill. You guys at Google should try it.
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"How is worrying about landfills "reasonable"?"
If you're that ignorant of environmental science (not religion, you fucktard, quit using religion as a crutch - even if you don't like it, you're still using it as a crutch instead of standing on your own two feet like a real man) then you need to just get the fuck out of here and die already. You do more damage to our planet than a plague.
So no answer to the question then. It's actually a very simple question. There's no need to get defensive. You're welcome to your religious beliefs. The answer is that landfills are sinful in your religion. That's 100% ok for you to believe that. And it's easier and less emotionally troubling than thinking about it.
Try to be more tolerant of non-believers though. "It's a sin" is for you guys, not for the rest of us. The rest of us might agree that landfills are bad if someone could explain it somehow. Otherwise, there's no reason to agree that they are bad.
When I'm away, I have Internet so I can connect to remote systems.
When I had bootcamp setup, I ended up never using it because booting and resetting everything was too disruptive.
You're really saying that running multiple machines and remotely accessing them to run software sounds less strange to you? I think you might be a bit out of touch there, surely you don't actually believe that.
Yes. Because I can run Linux on any throwaway desktop for a few dollars. Or a powerful desktop if I need power. A Mac laptop will be vastly more expensive for the amount of power in either case. It's inferior for both workloads. Can you think of any workload where it wouldn't be inferior? I can't.
If I’m too poor to buy a cheap desktop, then why am I buying a very high priced Mac laptop?
If I just don't want to bother with a separate machine, I can run Linux in a VM. That's easier than rebooting to switch back and forth. Or I can rebuild binaries on my Mac and run native.
Booting into Linux doean't seem to meet any practical need better than the alternatives.
I don't think boot camp is that popular. But I don't know for sure.
Running desktop Linux on a laptop seems like a strange thing to do. If I want to use Linux software on my laptop, I will run the software remotely and display it on my laptop screen. No need to reboot that way. If I need Windows, I will either do the same, or run in a VM. That will work for more-or-less anything besides games — and a Mac laptop is just a bad choice for games, but I can use bootcamp and boot into Windows if one of the dozens of better choices for games isn't available.
So buy a different laptop.
> It's not about running Linux on a laptop, it's about pretending to have a grievance.
Thanks for that quote straight off Apple's PR department. How's the Reality Distortion Field doing?
It's a lot better than searching for things to complain about. I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain his way to happiness.
Not a great attitude toward e-waste. Even if you're not the one repurposing it.
I'm not of a religion that considers e-waste sinful. I can make practical choices, free guilt and unconstrained by dogma.
You're welcome to believe whatever though. I hope your 10-year-old laptops supply you with fulfillment.
I didn't know that about the emergency evacuations. The people involved in US airline safety seem to be doing an awesome job.
Is 2031 not going to happen? Do you know something we don't?
I know that I don't want to spend time trying to re-purpose a 10 year old laptop. And I know that it's not a cost effective use of time for me either.
If that's your hobby, then go for it. Apple does not have an obligation to indulge everyone's hobby.
No. I shall simply treat you with the contempt you deserve.
Unbelievers and heretics are often treated thusly by religious folk — especially self-righteous ones like yourself. It's easier than thinking and less emotionally troubling than questioning your beliefs.
And I don't want to argue you out of your religion anyway. People have a right to their faith.
If you haven't grasped any part of environmentalism by now
I understand the practical parts of environmentalism based on solving real problems.
I also understand what's wrong with landfills: they're considered sinful. Being against them is environmentally righteous and emotionally fulfilling for believers. No facts needed or wanted.
In some ways its worse for humanity as a social construct to recycle your crap at those centers. I'm not even sure if its better for the planet to do it except to stop humans from strip mining more rare elements and making it that much more difficult for the next intelligent species to evolve after us to make circuits...
There's a couple of statements based on ... well, not based on reality.
Humanity is the same regardless of whether you heap junk in your house or recycle it. There's no practical or rational or factual basis to worry about some future species. It makes sense as a religion though.
Yep, if only for safety. Small-pitch seats are much more difficult to evacuate in an emergency than seats with more legroom.
The last fatal crash of a US airliner was in 2009. The need to evacuate an aircraft is a 1 in 100 million event, and the odds get higher every year. They already solved the safety issue by not crashing the planes.
Well it's always a good sign you've thoroughly lost the argument when you dismiss an entirely reasonable point of view as "religion".
How is worrying about landfills "reasonable"? How do landfills even approach a rational concern when electronics recycling is free and convenient?
If it’s not a religion, then is it just ... dumb? Ignorant? A misunderstanding? An idea based on not thinking it through?
Please explain this well-informed and totally not religious aversion to using landfills or recycling old electronic junk.
Yay more landfill.
I don't subscribe to your religion, so throwing away old junk isn't a sin for me.
Old electronics go to free electronics recycling. It's nice not to have tons of old junk lying around.
No? OK then. Sit down and be quiet. Your morality and ethics are showing and they don't paint you in a good light.
I understand. Your religion makes you mean and intolerant.
Or you could keep running MacOs on it. Or buy a different laptop if running Linux on it 7 or 10 years from now is the most important thing to you.
It works the other way too.. pretending a problem isn't real doesn't mean it goes away.
Adding perfectly good working machines to the landfill adds both unnecessary waste and removes the machine from being able to be used by others less fortunate
So don’t do that. Continue running macOS on it. Or buy some other laptop that meets your religious needs.
How is ensuring can still be used after 5 years not a real problem? eWaste is a real problem and machines older than 5 years still have lots of life left.
For the record, I'm running a 5 year old ThinkPad and have no intentions on purchasing something new for the foreseeable future.
I disagree. Pretending a problem is real doesn't make it real.
More of a phony-drama skeptic actually. The world has real problems. We don't need jerks and trolls making up fake problems.
It's not about running Linux on a laptop, it's about pretending to have a grievance.
So what are people supposed to do when Apple finally stops supporting said hardware and the hardware owner wants to use a different operating system on the hardware he or she purchased?
You mean like in the year 2031? Maybe learn to deal with reality a little better sometime between now and then.
Seems like the most expensive way to get a Linux system. There have to be at least a dozen better choices for less money.
Have you awakened to the understanding that you don't have the political power to magically transform the healthcare system into the precise system you wish for (because someone told you another country has it)?
Once you do, that leads away from fantasyland and toward focusing on changes someone might actually be able to enact. Until you guys wake up and stop dreaming and storytelling and fantasiizing, it will be impossible to make substantial realistic improvements.
Being mad that your fantasies aren’t magically coming true isn’t solving any problems with the healthcare system. You can continue to call me nihilistic for not believing in Santa Claus though.
So on the one hand you are right - hunger and poverty have human causes.
Hunger and poverty are the natural state of life. They aren't caused by humanity, they are solved by humanity — except during disasters or when someone gets in the way.
- Grievance-obsession is not idealism.
- Making up stories about bad things that might happen is not idealism.
- Beefing about people or condescending to people or looking down on people in other states who aren't like you is not idealism.
- Bigotry against religion is not idealism.
- Name-calling is not idealism.
- Self-obsession is not idealism.
- Wanting to spend money other people earned is not idealism.
- Choosing to side with one group over another group is not idealism.
- Rejection of science in favor of storytelling about diversity is not idealism.
Idealism rejects all of these things. Idealism tells the truth and treats everyone with goodwill. You guys at Google should try it.