Now, I've seen the US's poor and the Caribbean Islander poor in person, read about plenty of other poor groups. If everyone on earth had the resources that the US poor do, something close to 70% of the world population would have an enormous gain in wealth and free time.
Because the whole topic is phony -- agitators trying to divide people so they can gain power and spend money other people earned. There's no reality involved at all.
It's because he can leverage his one-time expenditure of his money into an annual year-after-year, decade-after-decade expenditure of other people’s money.
San Francisco is going to be the homeless capital of the world. Congrats.
Police and Fire protection are local issues, often paid for by property taxes — because police protect property from theft and fire fighters protect property from fire. The entire community (theoretically) benefits from not being murdered and from the town not burning down.
Health care benefits only the individual who receives the care, not the people who don't.
That would make sense if doctor and nurses wages were the major driver of our over the top healthcare costs. As with all things, labor makes up a very small amount of overall costs.
The nail in the coffin for your overall claim though, is that doctors and nurses are still well paid people in every other first world country.
Doctor and nurse salaries are a part of the issue. You want to claim you can magically transform the system and everything will magically work out. Except the doctor and nurse salaries, but it'll still magically work out even then.
Did you read the article at the link? Did you follow the links from that? - Hospital rooms are bigger in the US. You plan to remodel all the hospitals? That won't be expensive? - Drugs are more expensive. Do you plan to completely change the pharma industry? That will take a huge amount of political power, to deliver a pharma industry that comes up with fewer drugs, but is a little cheaper. - There are costs associated with the insurance industry. Do you plan on eliminating that industry? That will take a huge amount of political power. You'll save a little money. - The US has lots more MRI machines and other expensive equipment that adds to costs. That equipment is already purchased. It can't be un-purchased.
The fact remains that no country has ever gone from high-cost health care to low-cost health care. You don't have the political power to get it done, because no one does. No one ever did -- not in a Western-style democracy. In the US, the vast majority of us are satisfied with our health care.
So the reason I'm saying we can't change to one of the lower cost systems is because it literally can't be accomplished. It's a fantasy.
What I understand is that right here and now there are systems in place that we can emulate that are half the cost of out current system. Please explain to me why my repeated claims on said front or not valid or stop bothering me.
Your back in time thing is completely baffling to me. Today, this very day, every other first world country has a medical system that is half the cost of our own shit hole private one. Why can these other countries systems not be emulated by us?
Because doctors and nurses won't meekly accept a 50% pay cut. And voters like doctors and nurses, so doctors and nurses have political power.
"Lowering costs by a large amount has never been accomplished by anyone anywhere."
Except by every other first world country on the planet relative to our own system you mean, right?
No. No one ever went from high costs to substantially lower costs. All they did was keep costs from increasing over a long period of time. We can't do that, because costs are already high.
You understand that time moves forward, right? (This is honestly not that hard to understand.)
"If you have a time machine, you can go back in time and keep costs from increasing to current levels though."
No need. We have plenty of modern examples to go off of in keeping healthcare costs down.
Then you should go back in time to 1960 and implement them for the US. Then we will have lower costs, because the increases in 1965 will be smaller, and the increases in 1970 will be smaller, and so on for 58 years until now.
No one has a genuine plan to lower costs by half — or anything close to that. Lowering costs by a large amount has never been accomplished by anyone anywhere. You can complain about costs, but no one has a way to actually fix them in the real world.
If you have a time machine, you can go back in time and keep costs from increasing to current levels though.
Cunts like you are nothing more than anti-social pieces of shit. I would much rather have the government working on making sure people get the health care they need than murdering people in a foreign land. When the day finally comes when worthless piece of shit sociopaths like you die out, the world will be a far better place.
Are you really that desperate for government freebies? Why not just pay your own way rather than spending every day of the year simmering with rage and hatred?
What if they prescribe pain medication in spite of KASPER or whatever state law limiting the amount and/or frequency they can prescribe? Its no different than any other consumer protection law on the books.
What if they just go into a different line of work that doesn't treat them like government property?
It will get cheaper, we promise. It’s cheaper in Iceland (or somewhere — it doesn't matter where) so we can magically make the US into Iceland, grab all the benefits of the system in Iceland, with none of the drawbacks. Nothing bad could possibly happen from our schemes. And if it does, it's because the bogeymen on the other team, because we didn't throw that extra $1 Billion on the fire, because these deplorable people can't be governed, or because of bad luck.
Engineers often make the mistake of thinking they can engineer people. You can’t — at least not very well. When you fail, you will blame the people you're trying to change rather than yourself for making such a basic mistake.
Systems should be built for people because systems can be engineered easier than people.
Yes. Most claims in news stories are exaggerated. Exaggerating is a common behavior of attention-seeking individuals like news reporters.
Anyone reading any news story that claims anything interesting or significant would be wise to be very skeptical of the story's claims. There's probably more to the story that the report is not telling you.
Don't let yourself be trolled by news reporters every day of your life.
'Accomodate YOU'? What, precisely, do you expect them to do to 'accomodate' you? Really, I want you to answer that question.
How about respecting our understanding of gender and biology? We have as much right to our determination of those concepts as anyone.
How about respectfully conforming to cultural norms in public? Why is that too much to ask? We're told we have to give up cultural norms instead, because the 0.01% might be uncomfortable with them.
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That's ridiculous. People are already divided, before the agitators even arrive. If you don't see those divisions, it's because you're not looking.
Division has degrees. Agitators widen the division.
Observation.
Now, I've seen the US's poor and the Caribbean Islander poor in person, read about plenty of other poor groups. If everyone on earth had the resources that the US poor do, something close to 70% of the world population would have an enormous gain in wealth and free time.
Because the whole topic is phony -- agitators trying to divide people so they can gain power and spend money other people earned. There's no reality involved at all.
It's because he can leverage his one-time expenditure of his money into an annual year-after-year, decade-after-decade expenditure of other people’s money.
San Francisco is going to be the homeless capital of the world. Congrats.
Police and Fire protection are local issues, often paid for by property taxes — because police protect property from theft and fire fighters protect property from fire. The entire community (theoretically) benefits from not being murdered and from the town not burning down.
Health care benefits only the individual who receives the care, not the people who don't.
That would make sense if doctor and nurses wages were the major driver of our over the top healthcare costs. As with all things, labor makes up a very small amount of overall costs.
The nail in the coffin for your overall claim though, is that doctors and nurses are still well paid people in every other first world country.
Doctor and nurse salaries are a part of the issue. You want to claim you can magically transform the system and everything will magically work out. Except the doctor and nurse salaries, but it'll still magically work out even then.
Did you read the article at the link? Did you follow the links from that?
- Hospital rooms are bigger in the US. You plan to remodel all the hospitals? That won't be expensive?
- Drugs are more expensive. Do you plan to completely change the pharma industry? That will take a huge amount of political power, to deliver a pharma industry that comes up with fewer drugs, but is a little cheaper.
- There are costs associated with the insurance industry. Do you plan on eliminating that industry? That will take a huge amount of political power. You'll save a little money.
- The US has lots more MRI machines and other expensive equipment that adds to costs. That equipment is already purchased. It can't be un-purchased.
The fact remains that no country has ever gone from high-cost health care to low-cost health care. You don't have the political power to get it done, because no one does. No one ever did -- not in a Western-style democracy. In the US, the vast majority of us are satisfied with our health care.
So the reason I'm saying we can't change to one of the lower cost systems is because it literally can't be accomplished. It's a fantasy.
What I understand is that right here and now there are systems in place that we can emulate that are half the cost of out current system. Please explain to me why my repeated claims on said front or not valid or stop bothering me.
Your back in time thing is completely baffling to me. Today, this very day, every other first world country has a medical system that is half the cost of our own shit hole private one. Why can these other countries systems not be emulated by us?
Because doctors and nurses won't meekly accept a 50% pay cut. And voters like doctors and nurses, so doctors and nurses have political power.
Here is a link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
"Lowering costs by a large amount has never been accomplished by anyone anywhere."
Except by every other first world country on the planet relative to our own system you mean, right?
No. No one ever went from high costs to substantially lower costs. All they did was keep costs from increasing over a long period of time. We can't do that, because costs are already high.
You understand that time moves forward, right? (This is honestly not that hard to understand.)
"If you have a time machine, you can go back in time and keep costs from increasing to current levels though."
No need. We have plenty of modern examples to go off of in keeping healthcare costs down.
Then you should go back in time to 1960 and implement them for the US. Then we will have lower costs, because the increases in 1965 will be smaller, and the increases in 1970 will be smaller, and so on for 58 years until now.
That's the "solution" that other countries used.
No one has a genuine plan to lower costs by half — or anything close to that. Lowering costs by a large amount has never been accomplished by anyone anywhere. You can complain about costs, but no one has a way to actually fix them in the real world.
If you have a time machine, you can go back in time and keep costs from increasing to current levels though.
It only works for residents of northern Europe. It's an unmitigated disaster every time anyone else tries it.
Cunts like you are nothing more than anti-social pieces of shit. I would much rather have the government working on making sure people get the health care they need than murdering people in a foreign land. When the day finally comes when worthless piece of shit sociopaths like you die out, the world will be a far better place.
Are you really that desperate for government freebies? Why not just pay your own way rather than spending every day of the year simmering with rage and hatred?
Just because someone agrees to accept one fixed amount doesn't mean they'll automatically accept a different, lower fixed amount.
You believed in the magic stories, didn't you? Santa won't be giving you that pony.
What if they prescribe pain medication in spite of KASPER or whatever state law limiting the amount and/or frequency they can prescribe? Its no different than any other consumer protection law on the books.
What if they just go into a different line of work that doesn't treat them like government property?
What is this? CNN?
If it was CNN, they'd be connecting dots between medical care and Russian election hacking, with Stormy Daniel's lawyer weighing in on both.
And exactly what has the GOP done to improve healthcare in thie US?
How is your medical care the goverment's responsibility?
What makes you think providers will agree to perform their services under the rules you want? What if they don't?
Of course you want more benefits than you are willing to pay for. Someone else will pay. Fuck them.
It will get cheaper, we promise. It’s cheaper in Iceland (or somewhere — it doesn't matter where) so we can magically make the US into Iceland, grab all the benefits of the system in Iceland, with none of the drawbacks. Nothing bad could possibly happen from our schemes. And if it does, it's because the bogeymen on the other team, because we didn't throw that extra $1 Billion on the fire, because these deplorable people can't be governed, or because of bad luck.
Yeah, doctors are such villains. Their attempts to cure illness and ease suffering is just a clever ploy.
That's quite the perspective you have. Why wouldn't everyone want to be just as bitter as you?
Engineers often make the mistake of thinking they can engineer people. You can’t — at least not very well. When you fail, you will blame the people you're trying to change rather than yourself for making such a basic mistake.
Systems should be built for people because systems can be engineered easier than people.
Why do you want Google to know your homes' floorplan and where all the furniture is?
is a clown who lives in the storm drain.
Yes. Most claims in news stories are exaggerated. Exaggerating is a common behavior of attention-seeking individuals like news reporters.
Anyone reading any news story that claims anything interesting or significant would be wise to be very skeptical of the story's claims. There's probably more to the story that the report is not telling you.
Don't let yourself be trolled by news reporters every day of your life.
There doesn't exist a small enough violin for your hurt little 99.99% feelings
Yeah, that's exactly telling us we can fuck off.
'Accomodate YOU'? What, precisely, do you expect them to do to 'accomodate' you? Really, I want you to answer that question.
How about respecting our understanding of gender and biology? We have as much right to our determination of those concepts as anyone.
How about respectfully conforming to cultural norms in public? Why is that too much to ask? We're told we have to give up cultural norms instead, because the 0.01% might be uncomfortable with them.