Umm yeah I wasn't meaning to criticise them at all, I kinda hinted at this in the post. It's just that when I first read hackers/prosecuted/felony I thought that the company hacked was commercial, and if they were then a month would be a long time. Given that it was not only a volunteer run service, but also a public access shell system (more complex to repair than just a web server) then it's not unreasonable at all.
I was actually considering taking the first para out before submitting, but then hey, probably no one would have actually read the post then.
I also missed out "...until the plates met" . "just to impress their little friends."
And nope, hope I never have to, it's bad enough rebuilding after a crash without worrying about what they've done to any custom software you might have.
I think http is already by some considered to be unauthorised in some cases, e.g. where the big bad hacker deletes the htm file name, gets a directory listing, complete with dat files of credit card/personal details.
If I were to let any of my clients sites go down for more than a day, I'd be dead, I already suffer from telephone phobia from times when servers have crashed/email has gone weird. These days there is no excuse for not having backups and at least some idea of an alternative if you do lose a machine (he sez hypocritically).
Having said that this was a public access system run by volunteers, and given it's nature pretty hard to recover.
And as for the people who hacked it (and kuro5hin) they really have to rank in the intelligence stakes with people who would put their own balls in a vice and slowly turn the wheel until the plates met. You don't attack people who are helping the net remain open, and a community, many of whome may previously have had some sympathy for (h|cr)ackers, or at least draw from the same knowledge base.
Also stupid acts like this are just making it so much easier for various governments to sneak in with legislation that is inthe end just going to make it harder for everyone, and turn the internet into little more than a commercial, monitored service (anyone ever used aol?).
Could really do with something like that for/. and other forum posting as well, you wouldn't believe the amount of shite I've posted here when umm tipsy. The worst thing is when you check back the next day and reread, erghhh.
Anyway this Eudora feature works both ways, if you've just finished an email flaming someone and you only have 2 chillis you know you have to go back and edit it up to 4:)
yeah, if you read through the archives at consume.net they seem to have realised this, like the range that they want to use is restricted, as far as I can tell though they have chosen to ignore this so far...
Yeah I was thinking of something like that, after having tried things like midpoint with windows before.
But here you have a network where you can have a huge amount of gateways to the internet (modems, ISDN, ADSL, cable), most of which where the person 'dialed up' will be using either a fraction or none of the connection (right now I'm reading a several 100K/. page, modem idle) all that bandwidth could be being used.
I thought initially there would have to be some checks, i.e. if I wanted to download sunsite for fun, well I wouldn't want people using my connection, but umm then there are all those other people doing nothing...
I'd say this is, or at least should be, the way of the future. Taking the power back:)
The main problem I can see so far is that there is nothing centralised, these are all isolated projects, and when it comes to linking them there will be IP conflicts etc.
Also is the software available yet? stuff like BGP going through masqued gateways, or tunneled over the internet.
Really regretting the fact that I spent the day setting up IMAP on my server and missed this thread while it was still alive.
Always thought Manchester had pretty good weather on account of being being in a valley (you've never lived till you've been over snake pass in heavy snow) sort of localised weather system, could see this working a lot better places like edinburgh or stirling (maybe moving there soon) where a lot of the town is on a hill, all we need it to get the National Trust to let us put huge antenna (?) on the castles:)
Funnily enough I actually posted this to/. before I posted it to technocrat.net, ho hum:))
Yup, as the guy sez, no problems at all running linux boxes with a win ICS gateway, It's what I have here most of the time, and pretty much all I did was set up the DNS server on the Linux box to tap into my ISP's servers and it went, simple as that.
Windows can be quite a good gateway, it doesn't actually run any services unless you install them ('cept SMB of cos, well ok and ping, and some others, but)...
The thing to get over is that ICS isn't a client server thing that you can only access if you have the right software on the box on the inside (like wingate can be). Umm and contrary to popular opinion quite a lot of MS software does work, and quite well, anyway as my gran says, 2 heads are better than one, even if one is a sheep's.
oh well, exactly what I was going to say, and if you're still unsure....
Think a few years down the line, maybe it's worked, maybe it just flopped (a lot of good, sound business ideas have), maybe someone else with more money and PR bunnies did it first, maybe somebody actually comes up with a sensible alternative to the domain name system and all these million dollar names are worthless...
You remember that you could have sold and it gets a lot harder to keep passing those open windows...
Yeah, especially as that is how they started out, I'd imagine that when they started getting bigger they hired in a load of professional management types who buggered things up.
I'd actually rather they did go out of business now, every cause needs martyrs who are unwilling to compromise their principles, the way things are going they're just going to become a digital outlet for the major labels, pimping the artists and overcharging the customers.
And even worse the whole thing is probably going to die down now, there will still be a few 'activists' that refuse to buy CDs/go to movies etc, but as far as the more general public is concerned the matter is over, and not only that, but the Big-5 won, so they are the good guys now.
Read through some of the info at http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=MPPP&d=v1, don't know that their chances are too good, although most brokers seem to be saying buy or hold...
see what happens in an hour when the market opens again.
Altamira produce a photoshop plugin based on iterated's FIF .
Sometimes use it to send high quality images by email, just have to be sure the person you are sending to have the same program.
Not sure what happened to Iterated's own app, although seem to remember reading on their site way back that they were working with someone else of a streaming video application for it?
Maybe they sold it, or maybe just shut up about it till they had their final product (and if there are better methods now it could just have been dropped).
I'd like to get the source to some 128-bit encyrption codec tattooed across the left side of my back, and
the DeCSS code tattooed across the right side of my back
Adds a whole new meaning to upgrades being a pain in the ass...
I've always wondered about the legality of using win progs with Wine (I just can't seem to control the mouse after a couple of bottles...erm), normally if you want the same prog with a different OS you have to buy a different version.
At a guess I'd say at the moment it is probably not explicitly disallowed, but will it be soon?
quite a few of the search engines do make a thing out of being able to find mp3's now, especially Lycos (picking on them cos I am v.v. pissed off with thier TV adds over here - go get my arse)
Sad innit, but the laws about mail was written in a different age, when the upgrade came, they had a chance to rewrite the rules, and hey, they did.
Kinda good in a way, even just for nostalgia, I can remember the waiting and hoping for the postman to come when you are expecting a letter from someone you care about, and who even now doesn't know the intrinsic joy of parcels....
Actually I guess if nothing else this is probably going to end the old hacker (coder) / hacker (system breaker) argument as we're all going to have to be both the way things are going...
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I was actually considering taking the first para out before submitting, but then hey, probably no one would have actually read the post then.
I also missed out "...until the plates met" . "just to impress their little friends."
And nope, hope I never have to, it's bad enough rebuilding after a crash without worrying about what they've done to any custom software you might have.
Stupid of course, but there ya go.
If I were to let any of my clients sites go down for more than a day, I'd be dead, I already suffer from telephone phobia from times when servers have crashed/email has gone weird. These days there is no excuse for not having backups and at least some idea of an alternative if you do lose a machine (he sez hypocritically).
Having said that this was a public access system run by volunteers, and given it's nature pretty hard to recover.
And as for the people who hacked it (and kuro5hin) they really have to rank in the intelligence stakes with people who would put their own balls in a vice and slowly turn the wheel until the plates met. You don't attack people who are helping the net remain open, and a community, many of whome may previously have had some sympathy for (h|cr)ackers, or at least draw from the same knowledge base.
Also stupid acts like this are just making it so much easier for various governments to sneak in with legislation that is inthe end just going to make it harder for everyone, and turn the internet into little more than a commercial, monitored service (anyone ever used aol?).
Not to mention the fact that by protesting an unrelated subject you risk being moderated as offtopic and dissapearing from public view!
Anyway this Eudora feature works both ways, if you've just finished an email flaming someone and you only have 2 chillis you know you have to go back and edit it up to 4 :)
yeah, if you read through the archives at consume.net they seem to have realised this, like the range that they want to use is restricted, as far as I can tell though they have chosen to ignore this so far...
or taking a wild guess and saying there probably is, where is it? me want
But here you have a network where you can have a huge amount of gateways to the internet (modems, ISDN, ADSL, cable), most of which where the person 'dialed up' will be using either a fraction or none of the connection (right now I'm reading a several 100K /. page, modem idle) all that bandwidth could be being used.
I thought initially there would have to be some checks, i.e. if I wanted to download sunsite for fun, well I wouldn't want people using my connection, but umm then there are all those other people doing nothing...
I'd say this is, or at least should be, the way of the future. Taking the power back :)
The main problem I can see so far is that there is nothing centralised, these are all isolated projects, and when it comes to linking them there will be IP conflicts etc.
Also is the software available yet? stuff like BGP going through masqued gateways, or tunneled over the internet.
Really regretting the fact that I spent the day setting up IMAP on my server and missed this thread while it was still alive.
So it goes....
Funnily enough I actually posted this to /. before I posted it to technocrat.net, ho hum :))
It also gets your whites whiter without fading your coloured clothes!
Windows can be quite a good gateway, it doesn't actually run any services unless you install them ('cept SMB of cos, well ok and ping, and some others, but)...
The thing to get over is that ICS isn't a client server thing that you can only access if you have the right software on the box on the inside (like wingate can be). Umm and contrary to popular opinion quite a lot of MS software does work, and quite well, anyway as my gran says, 2 heads are better than one, even if one is a sheep's.
Who wants to take bets on who gets it, I'd imagine one of the big internet media groups...
Cnet/Lycos/Andover.....?
The only thing that you can be sure of is that it's all downhill for the site from now :)
Think a few years down the line, maybe it's worked, maybe it just flopped (a lot of good, sound business ideas have), maybe someone else with more money and PR bunnies did it first, maybe somebody actually comes up with a sensible alternative to the domain name system and all these million dollar names are worthless...
You remember that you could have sold and it gets a lot harder to keep passing those open windows...
2 comments saying (basically) the same thing, the second one, five mins after the first, gets moderated as funny?
What do you want to bet that within the hour Per Wigren's comment will be marked -1 Reduntant...
Ho hum.
I've just cut all the network cables in my office anyway, can never be to safe, oh hang on, forgot the modem cab
[Connection reset by peer]
Yeah, especially as that is how they started out, I'd imagine that when they started getting bigger they hired in a load of professional management types who buggered things up. I'd actually rather they did go out of business now, every cause needs martyrs who are unwilling to compromise their principles, the way things are going they're just going to become a digital outlet for the major labels, pimping the artists and overcharging the customers. And even worse the whole thing is probably going to die down now, there will still be a few 'activists' that refuse to buy CDs/go to movies etc, but as far as the more general public is concerned the matter is over, and not only that, but the Big-5 won, so they are the good guys now.
Read through some of the info at http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=MPPP&d=v1, don't know that their chances are too good, although most brokers seem to be saying buy or hold...
see what happens in an hour when the market opens again.
Sometimes use it to send high quality images by email, just have to be sure the person you are sending to have the same program.
Not sure what happened to Iterated's own app, although seem to remember reading on their site way back that they were working with someone else of a streaming video application for it?
Maybe they sold it, or maybe just shut up about it till they had their final product (and if there are better methods now it could just have been dropped).
I'd like to get the source to some 128-bit encyrption codec tattooed across the left side of my back, and the DeCSS code tattooed across the right side of my back
Adds a whole new meaning to upgrades being a pain in the ass...
At a guess I'd say at the moment it is probably not explicitly disallowed, but will it be soon?
Oh well need a holiday and I've always wanted to see what Cuba was like anyways :)
ahh so you'd be posting that comment from your handphone then ? :)
quite a few of the search engines do make a thing out of being able to find mp3's now, especially Lycos (picking on them cos I am v.v. pissed off with thier TV adds over here - go get my arse)
Kinda good in a way, even just for nostalgia, I can remember the waiting and hoping for the postman to come when you are expecting a letter from someone you care about, and who even now doesn't know the intrinsic joy of parcels....
I have an account with them from when my ISP didn't have newsgroup access (barbaric or what?, but hey they gave me unmetered calls)
There is some info on anonymous usenet posting at http://www.geocities.com/Capi tolHill/1236/howto2.html, also a lot of info if you search on google.
Actually I guess if nothing else this is probably going to end the old hacker (coder) / hacker (system breaker) argument as we're all going to have to be both the way things are going...