Indeed there is a lot of published research--by Herlihy, Michael, Fraser, Sundell & Tsigas, and others, going back to 2001. It's a hot topic for everyone trying to scale on modern hardware, certainly this custom Java processor thing Click works on seems way out in left field, for me.
Well, there was and is broad use, I think. For example, grsecurity (http://www.grsecurity.org/) allow policies to be created wherein policies are granted and revoked to specific processes. Neither modification of programs nor file labelling is required. Selinux of course also allows administrators fine-grained control over capabilities--in a much more comprehensive framework than these file capabilities.
..I find that all rational people must agree "everything" "all applications will live on the web" I wonder--is it time for innovators to think more about the alternatives?
Seems like the Rutkowska paper a) exposes PCI cards used as memory verifiers as unreliable in off-the-shelf hardware--the PCI memory verifier products cited in the paper (one is from BBN no less) might not have been properly reviewed, and might be in use in US DOD computing systems b) sheds some light on how COTS hardware _could_ be less vulnerable to rootkit manipulation, if customers demand it--not unreasonable.
It was nice to see Stewart Brand (and Larry Brilliant) there, the founders of the Well. But, Jeremy didn't mention the _author_ of the Well (PicoSpan), Marcus Watts. (A friend of mine.)
The article states is "it is to get the VM-based malware on a target system." Maybe, but on any given day, my systems may be vulnerable to than can load hostile software, or they may not.
It is helpful to reduce the vulnerability of systems to code execution flaws, and this can be done by running code in an already-restricted execution environment.
Well yes it's an issue for MySQL specifically, although as (I think) Bruce Perens and many other have pointed out, the only part of MySQL that poses a problem for such applications today is the library interface, which, with whatever level of effort, could be reimplemented.
And folks who don't wish to bother with that could look very profitably at Postgresql, whose libraries don't carry a GPL license. Anyone seems able to make a proprietarized version of Postgresql, so maybe the problem will return there. I think, however, most of the community has no plans to let a commercial entity hijack the entire project, even if one of the would-be players were leveraged into position to try, throught a buyout.
That is not what the cited source says, at all, read it for yourself!
"All future enterprise-class Linux product releases, including Novell Linux Desktop, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and Novell Open Enterprise Server, will continue to ship with both the GNOME and KDE desktop environments. In upcoming versions of Novell enterprise applications, the default desktop environment will be GNOME. When customers install Novell Linux products, they will be given the option to choose either the GNOME or KDE environment during the installation process. If the user makes no explicit choice, GNOME will be installed."
Lots of related ideas and implementations out there, from systemimager to radmind to stateless linux to FAI to Knoppix, to rocks to etc etc. Ive heard of roll-your-own systems, too--Coventry has one.
If you aspire to do a free software project, in particular, persevere. If there were a web page, you should post it.
It might not be abandonware, but I wouldn't bet my job or life on it.
More importantly, for the things it claims to do now, Netmail/Hula will have to work very hard to be better than alternatives already out there:
1. Sendmail, Qmail, Exim do SMTP, variously, *really well*
2. Cyrus does IMAP *really well*
3. They do this in a manner that scales horizontally across a cluster--I find Hula's scalability claims an invitation to scrutiny, but I wouldn't put 200,000 email accounts on one box, even if I could
4. We have a wide variety of webmail solutions, I like Horde/IMP a lot.
5. We lack, in part, an interoperable calendaring framework, which was the Citadel person's point. But we don't totally lack that either, cf OpenGroupware--and Netmail/Hula appears to be playing catch-up
Indeed, this is a very interesting development. With an LGPL license for DFS, it's time to give the DCE descendent of AFS another look.
But we have AFS, too, and although OpenAFS is not GPL-compatible, its free software in a real sense, and more important, it has a living community of developers who've worked on the code stretching back into the 1980s.
I'm not as convinced now as I might have been 3 years ago that DCE is a better mousetrap than Rxgk is shaping up to be.
There will probably be crossover between OpenAFS and DFS ideas--I just hope that working with DCE people doesn't turn out to be a Samba/Active Directory driven experience. It would be easier and more pleasant to fork.
Yours is the most informed post in the thread, but you're contradicting yourself in your remarks about Linux.
Supporting only one OS mostly makes sense only if it _isn't_ Unix. Also, Linux is more like most recent commercial Unix, unless the last Unix you supported was Ultrix. Seriously.
I thought there was fairly clear. In my hearing of the debates (1, 2, and 3) Kerry states he will act to eliminate tax incentives for "companies who send jobs overseas."
Why don't you provide a text citation where Kerry promised to do the opposite.
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Odd this came up just at this moment, though it's hardly little known.
Implementations:
Several here: http://jira.amqp.org/confluence/display/AMQP/AMQP+Products
Programming with POSIX threads.
Indeed there is a lot of published research--by Herlihy, Michael, Fraser, Sundell & Tsigas, and others, going back to 2001. It's a hot topic for everyone trying to scale on modern hardware, certainly this custom Java processor thing Click works on seems way out in left field, for me.
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_in_web_browser
Well, there was and is broad use, I think. For example, grsecurity (http://www.grsecurity.org/) allow policies to be created wherein policies are granted and revoked to specific processes. Neither modification of programs nor file labelling is required. Selinux of course also allows administrators fine-grained control over capabilities--in a much more comprehensive framework than these file capabilities.
I just wonder why the topic intro gets into the debate. Whether the author "makes a really good point" is the matter to be discussed.
I've been using earlier code on this branch, and indeed, with it, I find emacs incomparably more beautiful. I was hoping for this to be in emacs 22...
This seems strongly to be poaching the name of TurboGears. Not friendly.
..I find that all rational people must agree "everything" "all applications will live on the web" I wonder--is it time for innovators to think more about the alternatives?
Seems like the Rutkowska paper a) exposes PCI cards used as memory verifiers as unreliable in off-the-shelf hardware--the PCI memory verifier products cited in the paper (one is from BBN no less) might not have been properly reviewed, and might be in use in US DOD computing systems b) sheds some light on how COTS hardware _could_ be less vulnerable to rootkit manipulation, if customers demand it--not unreasonable.
It was nice to see Stewart Brand (and Larry Brilliant) there, the founders of the Well. But, Jeremy didn't mention the _author_ of the Well (PicoSpan), Marcus Watts. (A friend of mine.)
The article states is "it is to get the VM-based malware on a target system." Maybe, but on any given day, my systems may be vulnerable to than can load hostile software, or they may not.
It is helpful to reduce the vulnerability of systems to code execution flaws, and this can be done by running code in an already-restricted execution environment.
Exactly, mod up.
Interestingly, I had just run across these yesterday--note these used OpenSS7 implementation and call out issues w/LKSCTP mentioned in other posts:
u ments/DOA2003_97_Thaker.pdf
3 _Manual/Presentations/5-4_Thaker_etal.pdf
http://www.atl.external.lmco.com/projects/QoS/doc
Seems the funding for the TAO SCIOP implmementation came from the US Navy:
http://www.omg.org/news/meetings/workshops/RT_200
Well yes it's an issue for MySQL specifically, although as (I think) Bruce Perens and many other have pointed out, the only part of MySQL that poses a problem for such applications today is the library interface, which, with whatever level of effort, could be reimplemented.
And folks who don't wish to bother with that could look very profitably at Postgresql, whose libraries don't carry a GPL license. Anyone seems able to make a proprietarized version of Postgresql, so maybe the problem will return there. I think, however, most of the community has no plans to let a commercial entity hijack the entire project, even if one of the would-be players were leveraged into position to try, throught a buyout.
That is not what the cited source says, at all, read it for yourself!
"All future enterprise-class Linux product releases, including Novell Linux Desktop, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server and Novell Open Enterprise Server, will continue to ship with both the GNOME and KDE desktop environments. In upcoming versions of Novell enterprise applications, the default desktop environment will be GNOME. When customers install Novell Linux products, they will be given the option to choose either the GNOME or KDE environment during the installation process. If the user makes no explicit choice, GNOME will be installed."
Lots of related ideas and implementations out there, from systemimager to radmind to stateless linux to FAI to Knoppix, to rocks to etc etc. Ive heard of roll-your-own systems, too--Coventry has one.
If you aspire to do a free software project, in particular, persevere. If there were a web page, you should post it.
The poster is correct. Zen[works] is Novell's patch management and software distribution solution.
Uh, no. But we all bet _something_ on whatever package we do implement.
I do run mail servers with 10s of 1000s of users, and I certainly think it does matter what we use, don't you think?
It might not be abandonware, but I wouldn't bet my job or life on it.
More importantly, for the things it claims to do now, Netmail/Hula will have to work very hard to be better than alternatives already out there:
1. Sendmail, Qmail, Exim do SMTP, variously, *really well*
2. Cyrus does IMAP *really well*
3. They do this in a manner that scales horizontally across a cluster--I find Hula's scalability claims an invitation to scrutiny, but I wouldn't put 200,000 email accounts on one box, even if I could
4. We have a wide variety of webmail solutions, I like Horde/IMP a lot.
5. We lack, in part, an interoperable calendaring framework, which was the Citadel person's point. But we don't totally lack that either, cf OpenGroupware--and Netmail/Hula appears to be playing catch-up
Luke,
Indeed, this is a very interesting development. With an LGPL license for DFS, it's time to give the DCE descendent of AFS another look.
But we have AFS, too, and although OpenAFS is not GPL-compatible, its free software in a real sense, and more important, it has a living community of developers who've worked on the code stretching back into the 1980s.
I'm not as convinced now as I might have been 3 years ago that DCE is a better mousetrap than Rxgk is shaping up to be.
There will probably be crossover between OpenAFS and DFS ideas--I just hope that working with DCE people doesn't turn out to be a Samba/Active Directory driven experience. It would be easier and more pleasant to fork.
Noted.
Yours is the most informed post in the thread, but you're contradicting yourself in your remarks about Linux.
Supporting only one OS mostly makes sense only if it _isn't_ Unix. Also, Linux is more like most recent commercial Unix, unless the last Unix you supported was Ultrix. Seriously.
Also AMD they have something:l ay/200409121 13927.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/disp
I thought there was fairly clear. In my hearing of the debates (1, 2, and 3) Kerry states he will act to eliminate tax incentives for "companies who send jobs overseas."
Why don't you provide a text citation where Kerry promised to do the opposite.