the apocrypha refers to books outright rejected from the (roman catholic) canon, because they are not considerred to be divinely inspired.
in the roman catholic tradition, the books you refer to are called the deuternomical texts. these deuteronomical texts. these are... off hand.. ruth, maccabes, baruch... and one or two others. They are still included in the Catholic bible, but not in an "protestant" version, as Martin Luther mis-interpreted the jewish tradition of considering them to be secondary to the pentateuch.
the preceding wellesly link considers the books i'm talking about to be apocrypha, because the welleslyan church is an offshoot of luther.
i'm guessing that you are educated in a protestant tradition, which is why we are arguing semantics here, however i feel it is necessary to draw a line between deuteronomic texts such as baruch and ruth, and apocrypha such as Enoch and the Gospel according to Thomas.
if you read the deuteronomic texts that i refer to, and compare them to some of the apocrypha i have listed, you will notice that the apocrypha most definitely does not fit in with the rest of the bible, and the deuteronomics aree a nice companion and in agreement, though not necessary.
seriously, read the gospel of thomas and tell me that its congruent with the rest of the christian bible.
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yeh, its funny...
the company i work at appreciates older engineers, as a matter of fact, we have only 3 people out of 15 under 30.
and i would put our engineering team against anyone elses.
the apocrypha is totally different than the extra books you are talking about.
what you are referring to is the "deuternomical" books. These were considerred secondary by jewish tradition, and were removed by Martin Luther in his translation.
The apocrypha - are tottally different, and do disagree with much of the rest of the bible... like the bible according to timothy.
oh please, he's done a damn good job of staying with the original plotline... a couple details here and there, but fo rthe love of god, he couldnt make it a damn 10 part movie each of 3 hours.
its called a strike fucknozzle, and if IT people would realize that they are NOT the owners, and that they ARE LABOR, and stand together, we would make some progress in fair treatment.
look, all i know is that when my mother had to outsource telesales crap (energy dereg sales in PA), that every single one of the "good" sites was in UT.
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if you're going to insert any type of a character-set when referring to IBM, you should use EBCDIC.
lol...
yeh, if your idea of a good job is working 20 hour days cracked out on meth, keeping 2 books and being on the road for months at a time, its great.
fucking protestant, or fundie xtian idiot.
how about "it is easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than to get a rich man into heaven".
fucknozzle
you're right...
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deuterocanonical.... is what i was talking about, and apocrypha has always meant "things that were never included in the bible"
so... what were we arguing about again?
H1-b's have been around forever.
IEEE has been fighting (unsuccessfully) against indian led EE firms for decades now.
this is nothing new, but as IT people, we need to get a voice, and stop with this insane "rugged individualism" shit.
we are the labor, and we are more important than any of the other means of production.
exactly. i've had many people told at my work - "we pay you for 40 hours, and never ask you to work more, you work teh extra hours on your own"
then you are whats called salary non-exempt.
yeh... we need you to come in on saturday... and i'm going to need you to come in on sunday, too...
they pay me to work 40 hours a week.
i work 40 hours a week. and i work while i'm there.
you, are a fool for working any more.
try this link, damnit
again, you are using the wrong term.
... off hand.. ruth, maccabes, baruch... and one or two others. They are still included in the Catholic bible, but not in an "protestant" version, as Martin Luther mis-interpreted the jewish tradition of considering them to be secondary to the pentateuch.
the apocrypha refers to books outright rejected from the (roman catholic) canon, because they are not considerred to be divinely inspired.
in the roman catholic tradition, the books you refer to are called the deuternomical texts. these deuteronomical texts. these are
the preceding wellesly link considers the books i'm talking about to be apocrypha, because the welleslyan church is an offshoot of luther.
i'm guessing that you are educated in a protestant tradition, which is why we are arguing semantics here, however i feel it is necessary to draw a line between deuteronomic texts such as baruch and ruth, and apocrypha such as Enoch and the Gospel according to Thomas.
if you read the deuteronomic texts that i refer to, and compare them to some of the apocrypha i have listed, you will notice that the apocrypha most definitely does not fit in with the rest of the bible, and the deuteronomics aree a nice companion and in agreement, though not necessary.
seriously, read the gospel of thomas and tell me that its congruent with the rest of the christian bible.
yeh, its funny...
the company i work at appreciates older engineers, as a matter of fact, we have only 3 people out of 15 under 30.
and i would put our engineering team against anyone elses.
thomas, not timothy...
thomas has jesus doing miracles at like age 9...
the apocrypha is totally different than the extra books you are talking about.
what you are referring to is the "deuternomical" books. These were considerred secondary by jewish tradition, and were removed by Martin Luther in his translation.
The apocrypha - are tottally different, and do disagree with much of the rest of the bible... like the bible according to timothy.
of all the things that he left out, i missed bombadil the least... he was a total non-sequitor that takes wayyyyy too much research to explain fully.
oh please, he's done a damn good job of staying with the original plotline... a couple details here and there, but fo rthe love of god, he couldnt make it a damn 10 part movie each of 3 hours.
first of all, 12 years is an average.
secondly, do you do all your own typing, or do you manage code-monkeys now?
its called a burnout rate, and its a fact.
the problem is that the average IT App Programmer (DB-types) have an average lifetime of 12 years.
essentially, your mind is being destryed by companies. This is no different than having your body destroyed in coal mines.
and you are a fool to not force your employer to pay you what you are due.
i am paid to work 40 hours a week. thats what they get.
its called a strike fucknozzle, and if IT people would realize that they are NOT the owners, and that they ARE LABOR, and stand together, we would make some progress in fair treatment.
its called a union.
its called a strike.
get a pair of balls boy.
look, all i know is that when my mother had to outsource telesales crap (energy dereg sales in PA), that every single one of the "good" sites was in UT.
UT is the center of telesales... which is the basis of most MLM's...
apparently, mormons get good sales skills from their mandatory mission work.
and no, i'm not kidding about this.
not only that, but in some tasks, there are well defined "right" ways to do things.
down to the variable names.