you should really update to the 3.9 tree, the matrox drivers are considerably faster (especially over the ones in accelx) -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
that was supposed to have a in it. I thoguht plain old text would have converted it but I suppose it didn't. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Okay. so from now on I'll be sure to add the tags to everything I write:) you people take things so seriously, you anonymous cowards:) -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
stability, from what I recall, has nothing to do with how many features you have in something. unless of course you've got some magic fountain of knowledge that I don't have access to. Just my 2 cents. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Personally I think the BSD-type licenses are more free than, say, the GPL. Gives more people more options on what to do with the code - which pretty much lives up to the whole idea of other people not having to duplicate the work that others have already done. the code that is currently out there will always be free. any free software programmer can change the license to his code if he wants to - that's what the copyright is there for anyways. it's his, he can relicense it as many times as he wants to. But the ones that are already out there are always there under the old licenses, too (as they were initially given out). Personally - if VA decided tomorrow that they wanted to do something that I didn't think was in the best interests of enlightenment - it really doesn't matter. They have 0 right to any of the code in there. Especially since that is covered under "prior works." I would do some homework before spouting off about these things - you could have at least checked with raster or myself first:) -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
the other site I put that on (my normal site) doesn't have too much bandwidth (the machine is just fine however) so I mirrored my rant on enlightenment.org
see http://enlightenment.org/rant.html -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Whether or not Redhat ships E as the default it doesn't particularly matter. they shipped it because at the time it was the most feasible thing to ship that worked with GNOME. Luckily for them they have some other choices now. Despite the fact that I was happy to see enlightenment in the 6.0 load, I still don't think enlightenment is finished, or ready for a large-scale use. Maybe when we hit 1.0, right? there are still lots of bugs (even though I don't always see them, I am sure they're there) and there are still tons of features to implement, and there's always the high chance that we'll scratch a lot of basic stuff and rewrite core segments of code. Right now there is still a lot of work to do. I'm not saying you shouldn't run E, only that we've got a lot more up our sleeves. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
you can take a look at some of the new imlib 2 stuff off our web site. obviously it's all just toys. I personally don't care if the gnome people keep using imlib or not, but I can tell you it wasn't designed with gnome in mind, so their using something else that was designed with gnome in mind is probably not a bad thing. Imlib was more designed with enlightenment in mind, with a caching system that enlightenment could use. That's the long and the short of it. Imlib happens to solve a bunch of problems for other people, and I don't find imlib nearly as frightening as some other people do. But they're right about it being fairly closely tied to X. It's the same reason you won't find porting enlightenment to a non-X supported platform fairly complicated. I'm not sure if this post had much of a point, but I hope I helped you at least a little -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
GNOME really does need a default window manager. E shouldn't be it. We duplicate a lot of stuff. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't use E with GNOME, but you shouldn't feel like you have to do either one. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I don't think he said they wouldn't be using E in future releases. I think he said it wasn't likely. which considering a few key things probably isn't far from the truth. but then again, I wasn't sure we were ready for mass consumption anyways. I've always thought that linux on the desktop was something that won't be really viable until some time next year, anyways. I guess that's a personal opinion. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I think I should point out to people who are trying out 0.15 with KDE that the 0.16 release is what will be KDE compliant. We're approaching a feature-freeze right now - and like always I won't give a release date because I usually bite myself in the ass, but I can at least say the feature set has slowed down to allow for bugfixes for 0.16 release -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
as far as picking up an E theme from GTK+ I have to say they're not really designed to work that way - but being able to pick up a GTK+ theme from E will prolly happen in the next month or so.:) -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
why isn't it? he did start everything, and he did write more code than I did (I tend to find that's a pretty good judge of things). Besides, he's got a lot of that "black magick voodoo" thing going on most of the time anyways in some of his code. (ever read imlib's rend.c?) he DESERVES more credit than I get. I just happen to get to take the time to talk to folks more these days (lucky raster gets to code) -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I know allen wittenauer (sp?) used to be pretty anal about making sure it worked on solaris. and kainx (the guy who did Eterm).
but since raster and I pretty much just use linux that's the way it goes:) -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
actually it shouldn't place all windows in the same place using automatic placement - I'm willing to bet there's a state save gone awry or a windowmatch putting all the windows there or something really odd... auto-placement should do the smart placement stuff. or try to, at least (it could use some work) -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
because it's just that easy chuck. I never really asked for anyone to pay attention to me. I get a real big kick out of it, though. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Actually, that was written by Ed Howe. in fact, the only way you got my email address was by whois'ing intellimedia.com. in fact, I had absolutely nothing to do with that - most of what I did at intellimedia involved writing code for airtran (an eastern seaboard airline). I don't know (nor do I care) why you got spammed about it - but I can promise you I had nothing to do with it other than forwarding each of the emails you sent me to other people who were actually involved with it. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I hate to disappoint everyone, but we're not exactly announcing an IPO today. I do find it really amusing to come to work and see everyone buzzing about us going IPO because they read it on slashdot, though. We were all running around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to figure out who it was that sent this email out, and then after I read the email that this guy ACTUALLY got, I thought to myself "oh, he figures we're going public just because we say we're IPO track? oh nevermind, this guy's just a donut" *grin* enough for now. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I would like to point out that my actual words on my site were that you could judge for yourself - then I went on to speculate. and then bill bull read my website and asked me to take a few things off of it. I'm not sure if I phrased it properly but most of what people take the wrong way is the conjecture bits I draw. nowhere did I say I went up to interview at QNX, that's just what places like amiga central draw from it. my point in my return post above was more the fact that this wasn't the only bit of conversation that we had, and you don't know what else was said (and frankly it isn't much of your business unless either bbull or myself chooses to make it your business). But then again it's easy to make jabs as an anonymous coward. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
hi. clearly you weren't a participant in the rest of the email that I exchanged with him (seeing as the participants would have been myself and bill bull) - you decide.
as far as the amiga on slashdot thing, my point (which I made to rob, also) is that I thought it was really cool stuff, but didn't think the rest of slashdot would think so, too.
As far as what I say on my web site, I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to say whatever I want on there. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
we're working on all of these things very carefully. we've come a LONG way in just a few years. you have to look where we've come from and look towards where we're going - as well as where we are. besides, you can't judge multimedia performance of everything just by xanim - one app does not a platorm make -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Yes, I will be going out to see people at amiga. No, I don't know what we're talking about, mostly I want to see what they've been up to (I'm very interested). I haven't said ANYTHING but that on my web site, I don't think. most everything else is speculation. I do find it funny how facts evolve on slashdot. -- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Slashdot Mirror
major.minor.patchlevel
that's what the version number means.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
you should really update to the 3.9 tree, the matrox drivers are considerably faster (especially over the ones in accelx)
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
that was supposed to have a in it. I thoguht plain old text would have converted it but I suppose it didn't.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Okay. so from now on I'll be sure to add the tags to everything I write :) :)
you people take things so seriously, you anonymous cowards
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
stability, from what I recall, has nothing to do with how many features you have in something. unless of course you've got some magic fountain of knowledge that I don't have access to. Just my 2 cents.
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Personally I think the BSD-type licenses are more free than, say, the GPL. Gives more people more options on what to do with the code - which pretty much lives up to the whole idea of other people not having to duplicate the work that others have already done. the code that is currently out there will always be free. any free software programmer can change the license to his code if he wants to - that's what the copyright is there for anyways. it's his, he can relicense it as many times as he wants to. But the ones that are already out there are always there under the old licenses, too (as they were initially given out). Personally - if VA decided tomorrow that they wanted to do something that I didn't think was in the best interests of enlightenment - it really doesn't matter. They have 0 right to any of the code in there. Especially since that is covered under "prior works." I would do some homework before spouting off about these things - you could have at least checked with raster or myself first :)
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
the other site I put that on (my normal site) doesn't have too much bandwidth (the machine is just fine however) so I mirrored my rant on enlightenment.org
see http://enlightenment.org/rant.html
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Whether or not Redhat ships E as the default it doesn't particularly matter. they shipped it because at the time it was the most feasible thing to ship that worked with GNOME. Luckily for them they have some other choices now. Despite the fact that I was happy to see enlightenment in the 6.0 load, I still don't think enlightenment is finished, or ready for a large-scale use. Maybe when we hit 1.0, right? there are still lots of bugs (even though I don't always see them, I am sure they're there) and there are still tons of features to implement, and there's always the high chance that we'll scratch a lot of basic stuff and rewrite core segments of code. Right now there is still a lot of work to do. I'm not saying you shouldn't run E, only that we've got a lot more up our sleeves.
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
you can take a look at some of the new imlib 2 stuff off our web site. obviously it's all just toys. I personally don't care if the gnome people keep using imlib or not, but I can tell you it wasn't designed with gnome in mind, so their using something else that was designed with gnome in mind is probably not a bad thing. Imlib was more designed with enlightenment in mind, with a caching system that enlightenment could use. That's the long and the short of it. Imlib happens to solve a bunch of problems for other people, and I don't find imlib nearly as frightening as some other people do. But they're right about it being fairly closely tied to X. It's the same reason you won't find porting enlightenment to a non-X supported platform fairly complicated. I'm not sure if this post had much of a point, but I hope I helped you at least a little
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
GNOME really does need a default window manager. E shouldn't be it. We duplicate a lot of stuff. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't use E with GNOME, but you shouldn't feel like you have to do either one.
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I don't think he said they wouldn't be using E in future releases. I think he said it wasn't likely. which considering a few key things probably isn't far from the truth. but then again, I wasn't sure we were ready for mass consumption anyways. I've always thought that linux on the desktop was something that won't be really viable until some time next year, anyways. I guess that's a personal opinion.
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I think I should point out to people who are trying out 0.15 with KDE that the 0.16 release is what will be KDE compliant. We're approaching a feature-freeze right now - and like always I won't give a release date because I usually bite myself in the ass, but I can at least say the feature set has slowed down to allow for bugfixes for 0.16 release
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
as far as picking up an E theme from GTK+ I have to say they're not really designed to work that way - but being able to pick up a GTK+ theme from E will prolly happen in the next month or so. :)
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
why isn't it? he did start everything, and he did write more code than I did (I tend to find that's a pretty good judge of things). Besides, he's got a lot of that "black magick voodoo" thing going on most of the time anyways in some of his code. (ever read imlib's rend.c?) he DESERVES more credit than I get. I just happen to get to take the time to talk to folks more these days (lucky raster gets to code)
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I know allen wittenauer (sp?) used to be pretty anal about making sure it worked on solaris. and kainx (the guy who did Eterm).
:)
but since raster and I pretty much just use linux that's the way it goes
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
actually it shouldn't place all windows in the same place using automatic placement - I'm willing to bet there's a state save gone awry or a windowmatch putting all the windows there or something really odd... auto-placement should do the smart placement stuff. or try to, at least (it could use some work)
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
because it's just that easy chuck.
I never really asked for anyone to pay attention to me. I get a real big kick out of it, though.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Actually, that was written by Ed Howe.
in fact, the only way you got my email address was by whois'ing intellimedia.com.
in fact, I had absolutely nothing to do with that - most of what I did at intellimedia involved writing code for airtran (an eastern seaboard airline). I don't know (nor do I care) why you got spammed about it - but I can promise you I had nothing to do with it other than forwarding each of the emails you sent me to other people who were actually involved with it.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
nice to see the krueller step up to the plate.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
heh. I wasn't intending donut as an actual insult.
"I'm a big donut"
it's so fluffy...
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I hate to disappoint everyone, but we're not exactly announcing an IPO today.
I do find it really amusing to come to work and see everyone buzzing about us going IPO because they read it on slashdot, though. We were all running around like chickens with our heads cut off trying to figure out who it was that sent this email out, and then after I read the email that this guy ACTUALLY got, I thought to myself "oh, he figures we're going public just because we say we're IPO track? oh nevermind, this guy's just a donut" *grin*
enough for now.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
I would like to point out that my actual words on my site were that you could judge for yourself - then I went on to speculate. and then bill bull read my website and asked me to take a few things off of it. I'm not sure if I phrased it properly but most of what people take the wrong way is the conjecture bits I draw. nowhere did I say I went up to interview at QNX, that's just what places like amiga central draw from it. my point in my return post above was more the fact that this wasn't the only bit of conversation that we had, and you don't know what else was said (and frankly it isn't much of your business unless either bbull or myself chooses to make it your business). But then again it's easy to make jabs as an anonymous coward.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
hi. clearly you weren't a participant in the rest of the email that I exchanged with him (seeing as the participants would have been myself and bill bull) - you decide.
as far as the amiga on slashdot thing, my point (which I made to rob, also) is that I thought it was really cool stuff, but didn't think the rest of slashdot would think so, too.
As far as what I say on my web site, I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to say whatever I want on there.
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
we're working on all of these things very carefully. we've come a LONG way in just a few years. you have to look where we've come from and look towards where we're going - as well as where we are. besides, you can't judge multimedia performance of everything just by xanim - one app does not a platorm make
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Yes, I will be going out to see people at amiga.
No, I don't know what we're talking about, mostly I want to see what they've been up to (I'm very interested).
I haven't said ANYTHING but that on my web site, I don't think. most everything else is speculation. I do find it funny how facts evolve on slashdot.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)