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Mandrake Meeting with Amiga
hasse
wrote in to tell us that Mandrake,
co-developer of
Enlightenment is
meeting with Amiga. Amiga Central
quotes him saying "So sometime next week I'm going to meet
with the VP of Engineering at Amiga. That should be interesting. I wonder
if I can get them interested enough in enlightenment that they would
be willing to donate programmers to the project. "
So they don't even have a UI design yet, let alone a kernel or window manager. They're just repackaging what's available on the free (beer) market. So much for innovation.
sorry to disappoint you, but the GUI you mean was obviously that one from QNX, and QNX has been dropped by Amiga in favor of a Linux Kernel ...
So im quite sure they are searching for a decent GUI now - in that light meeting a windowmanager guru seems quite logical.
The deluge of Amiga stories can be easily accounted for: As soon as Amiga announced that they were going to use Linux, Slashdot "If it ain't Linux, it ain't News" latched on to them.
That is why Linux/free source software is out there, specifically for this purpose. I seriously doubt that they have done NOTHING innovative. Of course by your comments we wouldn't know since you provided nothing to back up your (apparently) worthless viewpoint.
Mandrake Developer != Mandrake Distribution
How do you propose to run a pentium optimized linux distribution on an Amiga anyway?
Oh is that what linux and other GPL projects are for so that a commercial entity can pick up the source compile it and sell it for profit and pretend its innovation...really, thanks for the enlightening us...
I wonder if Amiga will include source code with their os, or just pretend there is nothing wrong with violating the GPL.
If Amiga is going to be using the Linux kernel, and X windows and a Linux window manager, E, why call it Amiga OS, why not just call it Linux, what is the point of having a new OS, when hardly anything new has been added for the OS. It seems that Amiga wants to make money without doing any real work.
Your reasoning facilities seem to be somewhat impaired.
From the recent open letter to the Amiga community:
"They will be exciting enough for the enthusiast and yet simple enough for the common person."
Linux is exciting enough for the enthusiast as it is now, but it's nowhere near simple enough for the "common person".
BTW, I'm not an Amiga user, but I did take time to read the letter. Most of the Q's people are asking have already been answered, sans techincal details.
This Gateway Linux box has very little, if anything to do with the Amiga (not the trademarked name but the actual computer). I've ownded a 1000, a 500, and a 4000, and I've spent thousands on software and hardware, but was forced to migrate to the PC when CBM went belly up. This new Gateway is not ANYTHING like the original amiga. Even Dave Haynie, the veritable father of the amiga, says he hates what Gateway is doing to the computer. I can't believe how quick many of you are to jump on the "amiga" bandwagon. Next time I need some money I'll take a shit in a cardboard box and call it an amiga - and be guaranteed someone will buy it. The man supposedly in charge of all of this, Jim Collas, is obviously not very technically savy or knowledgeable. revolutionary ??? What kind of an idiot does this man take us for? Try
deceive verb to practice deceit; also : to give a false impression
or better yet
bait and switch noun a sales tactic in which a customer is attracted by the advertisement of a low-priced item but is then encouraged to buy a higher-priced one
I would really like to see the amiga come back. I really would. But this is not the amiga. Not even close. The real innovation is at QNX. Thank god they broke away from gateway so they don't have to go down with the ship!
Where was E mentioned in regards to Amiga? Where did it say that Mandrake was going to talk to Amiga about porting E to Amiga? Even the bit about Mandrake mentioning trying to grab some programmers was just wishful thinking on Mandrake's part.
... Mandrake (and Raster for that matter) is doing some pretty cool stuff with GUIs. I'm sure the Amiga people would be interested in bouncing ideas off of him. Wouldn't you call Mandrake in for a chat if you could?
...
:-).
Think about it
I know that Raster was pretty heavily into the Amiga, and it's likely that you will see E moving towards being very Amiga like -- Just guessing, I would imagine that Mandrake shares that same affinity. Birds of a feather
It's just a meeting. I have meetings every day and nothing ever comes out of them. Lighten up
Travis
Of course it's not THE ORIGIONAL Amiga. As brilliant as the design was 15 or so years ago, age and competition have taken their toll. The venerable origional Amiga architecture simply can't keep up with the brute force speed of modern PCs, so a NEW Amiga architecture is needed. Since Gateway isn't known for actually producing hardware or software, (they just assemble vendor's parts and sell them with a warantee and a customer service helpline, as do just about every other PC distributor on the planet). I don't see why anyone would expect their foster daughter company to be producing their own chips or writing a complete new OS from the ground up. This spinoff Amiga company Gateway has made does at least *seem* to be trying to make the new Amiga with the best hardware and software from other sources they can get their hands on. Wether or not the NEW Amigas will be as ahead of their time as the origionals were, we will only know when they begin shipping. While I personally don't think they'll be *that* great, I do expect it to at least be better than your average PC clone, and better than the poor old origional Amigas as well.
To sum up my feelings about the whole issue:
Amiga is dead. Long live Amiga!
> The IP stack might be okay, but the graphics card choice would be limited to lets see, A
> voodoo3, or a voodoo 3 or mabye a Voodoo^3 With the 3 up in the air like that?
Are you smoking crack? The TNT2 cards now have full 3D acceleration available in open source.
You are still incorrectly associating this architecture as the second phase of an amiga evolution (revolution if you like ;']) It could just as rightly be said that the new Macintosh G3 is the next wave of amiga computers. At least they've stuck to Motorola. But.. oh wait... it doesn't say "AMiGA" on the box so it's not a real amiga. I too would like to see the PC overturned. My original message can be condensed into "Why does anyone feel any product loyalty to this Gateway Linux box which is not based on, was not developed by the same people, is not owned by, is not endorsed by the creators of, and is not compatible (except through emulation which is present on PCs already) with the original amiga?"
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Mature?? Are you trying to be funny? Well it isn't. Advanced yes, but NOT mature.
My opinion probably doesn't account for much, as i am a rigid Be zealot, but i say if it's not working from the beginning, it never will. Two good examples: Windows and Mac OS.
I guess they'd have to change the name to Emiga
that's a load of FUD. you can also use the voodoo1, voodoo 1, voodoo^1, the voodoo2, the voodoo 2, and the voodoo^2. that's NINE 3d accelators! NINE! :( )
(oh, and there's the TNT also, but that ruins the joke
Subject: QNX/Amiga
To: mandrake@mandrake.net
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:18:39 -0400 (edt)
From: "Bill Bull"
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1]
Hi Geoff,
I'm familiar with your work and would be happy to talk to you about
what we're doing. I'm sure you can imagine that there are a lot of
things going on at this moment - QNX is an established company with
a signifigant number of corporate partners.
At this time I am looking for experienced and enthusiastic people
to support and work with/for QNX. Depending on what you're interest
is, I can provide various amounts of information. As you already
now we are producing a complete, high quality rendering environment.
Our Photon environment is extremely lightwieght, fast and will soon
support a dynamic rendering environment.
If this interests you, please email me - let's start talking.
-William Bull
Senior UI Architect
bbull@qnx.com
Now I'm sure they would like to talk to him (he is a fount of computer-knowledge) and almost definitely would offer him a job, but I'm certain that this letter does not a job offer make. I've gotten tons of letters like that from people who would never give me a job when it came to money-showing. But Mandrake says with respect to this e-mail :
Apparently I got forwarded around a few times inside of qnx before the right person was able to respond to me. But I was so
pleased that I got an offer for a job just out of a simple request I sent to them after visiting their web site that I felt that I just had
to put it up.
So you see, this is the bloated-ego hero we idolize in the community. And he is aware of it (which doesn't shrink his ego any):
amiga on slashdot
I find it only mildly amusing that I put up a little blurb on my website and a day or two later I see it on slashdot. I don't think I said
that amiga was using E on AmigaOS, or even that we were going to do anything productive at this meeting, etc. People read a
whole lot into a couple of sentances. On the flip side, however, I never cease to find it personally amusing that sneezing puts me
on slashdot. *grin*
Of course the prevalent question is: why was I on his website in the first place?
linux is different. take smp, for example, or the tcp/ip stack... some people might still bitch about the tcp/ip stack, but you have to admit, both areas have come a LONG way. multimedia will too. give it time.
You`re implying that Amiga and QNX have fallen out. From what evidence do you draw this? Just because Amiga are using the Linux kernel, does that mean QNX aren`t behind the political reasons themselves? For all we know, the Linux kernel is being used as a kicker into the mainstream computer market, with the QNX announcement intended to prepare interest in their kernel and at some future date, Linux being replaced with QNX.
Remember, AmigaObjects (which is the important part of Amiga's plans) can/will be ported to other base OSs.
I don't understand you're point at all. This is the first *new* Amiga to be announced since the CD32. The only other one was that wierd walker thing, but that failed because Escom dissapeared.
It's not anti-slashdot, it's the blinkered only GPL/Linux is worth talking about attitude that irritates some people.
Oooh, of course, I didn't realise. Linux is so mature... even if it's users aren't.
A product that's been in development for a decade? Now what would that be? It certainly ain't the new Amiga. By my reckoning, it's been in development for a year to eighteen months.
People who use code in messages != Socially Adequate.
This is all cool stuff but I don't think people who never bought a computer before will want this.
..and 'people who never bought a computer before' will want what type of computer? A windows machine? A Linux machine? Give me a break. This is exactly the kind of machine Joe Schmoe wants, even if you don't.
It just looks like the last dregs of this company that refuses to die are trying to rally the remaining troops for one last stand.
This a new company, it's only been around for a couple of years. Just because the Amiga name has been around for a lot longer, it doesn't figure that this is a continuation of the same company.
Take a look at the Bio's of some of the people working for Amiga now.
Let me see if I have this straight
No you haven't.
His argument boiled down to: There are three different stacks out there. Microsoft's, which sucks, but there's Big Money behind it, so it'll get better. BSD's, which is great, and there's Big Money behind it, so it'll get better. And Linux's, which is mediocre, and without MS or Sun bankrolling it, how's it going to go anywhere?
Actually his argument boiled down to, the TCP stack on Linux is shite because it's not totally IP5 compliant, and that a *fully-working* IP6 version is unlikely unless the base code for the stack is changed.
Incidently, If you think Holger Kruse is a lightwieght coder, consider that an Amiga runningf Miami is totally invulnerable to Denial of Service attacks. Show me another TCP stack that boasts that. This guy knows what he's talking about.
Deary me.
Well I don't think modern PCs should be called PCs because they're not IBM compatible.
iMac's shouldn't be called Mac's because they come in every colour under the sun, apart from opaque white.
Intel BeOS shouldn't be called BeOS becauase it doesn't run a BeBox.
Modern computers shouldn't be called computers because they don't have big levers and punch cards, and men in white suits tending to their every need.
Kind of reminds me of the way animation players used to work on the Amiga :)
And which anim player on the Amiga works like this? The only one I can think of is XAnim.
Hopefully Amiga won't want to use Enlightenment but some of the graphics are good and perhaps they want to talk to mandrake about adding his visual sense.
Hey - if the Gateway brings out a machine (named Amiga since they bought they rights they can call it whatever they want) With a secret processor - rumors transmeta, with next set of ATI video drivers (includes DVD playback, RGB output, DTV output, etc.) can change Linux in such a way you don't have to be a computer person to use it but you could be joe blow off the street, this machine may truly be a exciting release.
Every anim player I ever tried on the Amiga. I pretty much stopped using my Amiga 3 years ago though.
...)
(DeluxePaint III, IV, playanim7, amigavision,
Ah. I hadn't heard about that option. Now I'll have to try it :)
The X server bottleneck is the main reason why xanim can't reach the same rates as Mac/Win players. On Mac/Windows the program can get direct access to the RAM on the video card and write the frames directly into it.
On X, it works something like this:
1. xanim writes the frame into a shared memory buffer
2. xanim sends a message to the X server over a socket that says "yo, pick up the frame from shared memory"
3. the X server has to wake up and process the message
4. the X server has to copy all the data out of the shared buffer and into the actual RAM on the video card
You can write directly to the frame buffer in XFree86 now, but you have to be root to do so, which is a very bad idea. (I don't want to make my movie players root, no thank you).
In the future, video cards will have framebuffer drivers, so that a program can just open up the frame buffer like any other device, and mmap() it into its address space. Then it can just write directly to the card like on Mac or Windows.
(You can do this right now on some cards, but (a) there isn't yet support for X server acceleration in this mode, and (b) there isn't yet support for the X server to authenticate access to the framebuffer, which would be needed in order to do these kinds of things. This is very closely related to the 3D stuff going on in XFree86, so I would guess that you'll be seeing good support in a little while)
> My opinion probably doesn't account for much, as i am a rigid Be zealot, but i say if it's not
> working from the beginning, it never will.
"Be will never have usable multi-user security"
"Be will never be ported to 64-bit CPUs"
> Two good examples: Windows and Mac OS.
Funny thing, both of those seem to have very good support for playing back video. (Windows better than Mac)
As a point of fact, Bull did not offer mandrake
a job. Although impressive, his skill set
does not match our needs -- he's a GUI
coder for crying out loud! E is interesting
but not nearly as difficult as an OS.
After this outburst of immaturity, I'd
really doubt we'd consider offering him
one.
-- a QNX employee
ok, for one, I just want to say it would be hilarious to see Geoff's post get marked down to -1 or something lposting to an article that was posted about him in the first place, and two, I doubt that guy above is a QNX employee.
(E is cool, I use it)
xanim sucks. Not Linux.
:)
xanim loads the entire AVI into memory first, decompresses every frame (requiring enough memory to store all the decompressed frames which probably causes your computer to swap), and then plays it back. Kind of reminds me of the way animation players used to work on the Amiga
It also requires superfluous copies of the pixels to and from the X server.
Future animation/video apps on Linux will write directly to the framebuffer and will (hopefully) be written more intelligently so that they can play back directly from hard disk. In short, the fact that xanim is NOT a good program for playing back video clips (it works fine for short animations) has nothing to do with the Linux kernel itself.
xanim would suck on BeOS too.
See? I called it on the first story.
Amiga is only a theme for E now. And that's it.
-- Erich
Slashdot reader since 1997
Try "xanim +f <filename>"
That works just fine for me. (I've played 20-30 Mb files with instant startup.)
I don't know about the extra pixel copying thing, though.
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It seems like there has been six Amiga stories here just in the last two weeks. In comparison, before that it took half a year to come up with just as many Amiga stories.
:-).
Something is cooking with the Amiga (and keeping up with comp.sys.amiga.misc is next to impossible).
But to stay on topic: I thought Amiga said in their tech brief that they would build something new on top of X. I am not sure I see E fit in there. Then again; you never know when Amiga changes its mind again
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From reading the fallout from the whole Mindcraft episode, I think that the criticism of the TCP/IP stack is that it's not threaded. I read somewhere else that this is either being fixed now, or has already been fixed.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
I thought QNX was POSIX-compliant?
I wouldn't be suprised if GNOME wound up on QNX fairly quickly.
Phil Fraering "Humans. Go Fig." - Rita
(currently testing something about signatures here)
Ugh, I hope you were joking. If not, he was talking about Mandrake, the Enlightenment co-developer. A person, not the distribution. (Who existed long before the linux mandrake distribution was around btw).
E doesn't really *have* a look. It's customisable to the point where you can completely change the look of it. Compare absolute e to the standard
:)
theme for an example of what I mean.
What I'd love to see is a trained graphical designer spending a few days making a *really* nice theme for Enlightenment.
I'm not knocking the work others have done, some of the themes are fantastic, and most are made by friends of mine, I'm just curious to know what an artist could do.
Interestingly enough, the guy who designed the amiga UI for QNX mentioned that he'd have to try running E, since someone ported his work to it.
I wonder what it'll take to bribe him into doing some work on a theme.
This is a prime example of what Linux brings to the table and why the decision on Amiga's part to go with Linux, an advanced and mature desktop platform, was better than the decision to go with QNX, a rarely-used desktop platform with not much general-purpose software and a shallow bench of programmers to draw off of.
And with whom, exactly, is Amiga competing? Who would bother reacting to a product which has been in development for almost a decade? Get real; Amiga is a threat to no one. Plus, Mandrake is a good guy, and he would not have publicized the meeting if it were a private one. Amiga is probably loving the attention.
I don't know which I find more repulsive, the fact that someone seems to have some bashing campaign against a nice guy, or the fact that they're going about it in a pathetic way. First of all, I'm doubting anyone at QNX has the need to be anonymous. Anyone I've dealt with from that company has been fairly open. In addition, the writer of this post obviously has no idea what QNX has in their product line, since they very obviously sell a GUI that works on their OS, and in fact have been working on a fairly advanced GUI for the Amiga-type (although no longer associated with Amiga) project.
My take: http://flyingmice.com/squid/ amiga/amiga_articles.shtml
~ radiographite: art by john shepard
we're working on all of these things very carefully. we've come a LONG way in just a few years. you have to look where we've come from and look towards where we're going - as well as where we are. besides, you can't judge multimedia performance of everything just by xanim - one app does not a platorm make
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison
Some Random UI Hacker
hi. clearly you weren't a participant in the rest of the email that I exchanged with him (seeing as the participants would have been myself and bill bull) - you decide.
as far as the amiga on slashdot thing, my point (which I made to rob, also) is that I thought it was really cool stuff, but didn't think the rest of slashdot would think so, too.
As far as what I say on my web site, I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to say whatever I want on there.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison
Some Random UI Hacker
I would like to point out that my actual words on my site were that you could judge for yourself - then I went on to speculate. and then bill bull read my website and asked me to take a few things off of it. I'm not sure if I phrased it properly but most of what people take the wrong way is the conjecture bits I draw. nowhere did I say I went up to interview at QNX, that's just what places like amiga central draw from it. my point in my return post above was more the fact that this wasn't the only bit of conversation that we had, and you don't know what else was said (and frankly it isn't much of your business unless either bbull or myself chooses to make it your business). But then again it's easy to make jabs as an anonymous coward.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison
Some Random UI Hacker
Yes, I will be going out to see people at amiga.
No, I don't know what we're talking about, mostly I want to see what they've been up to (I'm very interested).
I haven't said ANYTHING but that on my web site, I don't think. most everything else is speculation. I do find it funny how facts evolve on slashdot.
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Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison
Some Random UI Hacker
Wow -- Amiga's new UI is looking pretty good already -- Imagine of Geoff starts working on it, too...
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Dave Brooks (db@amorphous.org)
http://www.amorphous.org
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Pirkka
if linux is an advanced mature desktop platform, where's Quicken, Photoshop, AOL, even one educational program for the kiddies and even one flight simulator game? The mac has all this stuff and alot more.
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Unfortunately, FUD has been around so long because it works, and this was pure and unadulterated FUD.
His argument boiled down to: There are three different stacks out there. Microsoft's, which sucks, but there's Big Money behind it, so it'll get better. BSD's, which is great, and there's Big Money behind it, so it'll get better. And Linux's, which is mediocre, and without MS or Sun bankrolling it, how's it going to go anywhere?
Uncertainty and doubt, in a nutshell.
Linux never had any money in the past and it got this far, there's no reason to assume that's going to change. Plus all indications are that there will be money in the future. With the RHAT IPO, and Amiga/Gateway moving in, and all the other hardware and distribution vendors hiring programmers, there's no reason to believe that there's no commitment to Linux development. Even its TCP/IP stack.
He was probably referring to this mail by Holger Kruse, author of the Miami TCP/IP stack and GUI for Amiga.
I don't know if his opinion concerning Linux problems with newer Internet features is right, but it sounds relatively credible (at least it did to LeFaivre).
nuff respect to E but I want new stuff
who else feels this way ?
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
Well, um, that's just a window manager for X, right? Should theoretically be able to run it on Amiga Classics, but most Amigans don't spend a lot of time in X. It's one of those painful things we only do when we have to run something that needs X. ;-)
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Umm.. QNX did not offer him a job, read the letter from the QNX guy again and ignore Mandrake's self-inflating comments.
Why would the market leader in embedded operating systems (read: high performance and tiny) want to employ the market leader in bloated, low-performance crap?
Matt
Get some facts on QNX. It is not a desktop platform; although it can be used on a desktop system as well, it is really targetted at embedded systems. It has been doing this for 15 years or more - you can't call anyone in the market that long "rarely used". They have an X-Windows compatible/compliant GUI in 32K - the only shallowness I can see in that is the depth of the useless bloat.
Give me a Linux(or BSD, or whatever) distribution that includes a modular Unix kernel, X windows, a web server, a graphical web browser, TCP/IP and PPP, some graphics demos, and fits with lots of space free on a single 1.4Mb floppy disk.
Oh, you can't? Damn, you should have used QNX then.
Matt
Any lack of discretion here would be on Amiga Central's part - that's where the quote originated.
Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
I read this on that news page also: ;)
Rick LeFaivre has posted this encouraging note on the newsgroups, assuring us that they are well aware of the technical concerns being raised by Amigans (such as TCP/IP problems and choice of GFX card). It will have a floppy drive, BTW
What exactly *are* the problems with the linux TCP/IP stack? I'm hoping that all the FUD that that Amiga Modern Internet guy spewed a week or so ago didn't take home for Amiga users. From what I gathered, it was complete BS.
the only thing I can think is that it doesn't work as fast as NT's on quad CPU systems with 4 Ethernet cards (not your average Amiga system). After all, why would linux be the fastest growing server OS if it had a *bad* stack?
I don't personally know much about the Linux TCP/IP stack, but it really doesn't seem like there's anything terribly wrong with it that it can't function as a single user, home system (or even a midrange server). I personally think these Amiga zealots need to take another look around. Linux doesn't need them at all. On the other hand however, Amiga *cannot* survive with out Linux
btw, the "note" that was pointed to didn't mention the TCP/IP stack itself
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From the technology brief:
Finally, there will be a suite of end-user
workspaces, including a new Amiga Workbench being designed at Amiga. There are already a number of interesting desktop environments available for Linux, and it is our intent to contribute the Amiga workbench to the open source movement, and encourage the creative Amiga and Linux communities to modify, enhance, replace, and generally get creative when it comes to next-generation desktop environments (we believe that one of the disadvantages of today's Windows and Macintosh personal computers is the "closed" nature of their desktop environments).
I think they want a Window Manager and a File Manager. They have choosen him because he has experience on window managers.
Sometimes open sourcer's forget that the entire world doesn't behave like they do. I'm pretty sure Amiga won't be too happy that an early exploratory meeting with a potential supplier has been broadcast to the world. Possibly sacrificing Amiga's competitive advantage by illuminating their position and strategy.
There _is_ a place and time for discretion.
I think that the interresting part of this story is the fact that Amiga is actually talking to the Linux community. I doubt that they really will donate programmers to work on E, I'd rather think they would develop something new, possibly with the help of Mandrake. (Or new in the sense that they base it on E and rename it). IMHO E wouldn't be such a bad choice for a new Amiga especially since they have borrowed a lot of elements from the classic Amiga workbench. (it's certainly my preffered WM as an Amiga/Linux user)
I don't think that E was ever mentioned in the article. They could have been meeting about Amiga using imlib. Also, since QNX offered Mandrake a job, it may have had something to do with that.
There seems to be no reason for Amiga. I do not intend to cause a flame war, I am just curious. They are using the Linux Kernel, that will be connected to an X Server and window manager of some sort, so that people can use the Amiga tools on a G4 port of the Linux Kernel? Why don't they just port their apps to Linux. Hello, they can add to the community, or they can reinvent the UI for Linux. Why? What is really going on?
- Kill Yourself, spare us all! -
I'm not trying to be a anti-linux troll or anything, but if Amiga looked at Be and QNX, how could they possibly choose Linux. Nothing against the OS but the multimedia performance in a word sucks. Running two instances of the Forsaken main.avi video gives xanim a heart attack with the first instance starting to stutter. It doesn't have 3D sound or any of that cools stuff, and has X for graphics and we all know that X could never handle even a simple game like Diablo.
I though Amiga was supposed to be a media powerhouse.
For those who question my performance claims, here is my config on that video test.
main.avi is a 218KB/s AVI, I'm running KDE 1.1.1, XFree 3.3.3.1 on a RivaTNT using nVidias new drivers on a 400MHz Celeron. When I start up the second instance of the AVI, the first one starts skipping. With 4 instances the first one is at 1 fps. Under Windows I can run 5 instances with no dropped frames.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Let me see if I have this straight--Amiga have decided that, since they can't make their new box truly different, they will settle for making it look different? O-o-o-o-o-okay. Well then there now. It's ... an approach, I suppose.
AmigaOS is going to sit on the Linux Kernel, so this is a good start for porting enlightenment. The thing gets tricky if they decide to use something else than X as their windowing system. If they stick to X, however, I dont see a problem. I wrote a bit more about this as an AC, you can read it
here if you want
:)
I will not buy this software, it is scratched
(FYI: The post you replied to was from me, not logged in)
I have to admit that Ive only recently been following Amiga development (I stopped since when my good old A500 died). So I dont know much about the backstage at Amiga, but do you really think it is a wise idea to first go with Linux, then say, oh Linux was just fine for a startup, now we will flip back to QNX? This would mean that all developer effort based on Amiga/Linux is nullified. From what I read the last weeks, the Linux kernel was chosen instead of the QNX one as "official" Amiga environment, and not just put back on the waiting queue of "Kernels and operating environments we will switch to as soon as the new Amiga is established".
Please correct me if Im wrong.
I will not buy this software, it is scratched
I am so hoping this isn't all going to turn out vaporware.
:)
It seems every few years the moons of Zendar align and another amiga is announced, with all the fanfare of "the second coming" to boot.
Problem is, the moons don't stay aligned for long enough for the incantation to be completed and the amiga promptly evaporates into a cloud of vapor.
Please be real this time.
Stor
"Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
Gimp
:)
X-Accountant (Quicken Clone)
Quicken for linux?
Flight Gear
One educational program:
Nightfall
look before you speak, this took my 3 minutes to find.