Well - I don't know what exactly you're expecting, but I can say that it's fairly dynamic. I've been looking at it for the past couple of days - they've got some big plans for the site, and they've put a lot of work into it. (you should see the hardware driving the site at the ISP) I do know that a lot of people are concerned about the whole "VA-run linux.com" but really I think that VA has done a pretty good job of just hanging back and making the occasional comment (besides being the ringleader of the group of volunteers that have been working on the site). anyways, that is my two cents.
-- Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net) Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
no offense, but 0.14 wasn't the version you were supposed to run with GNOME. as far as uptime problems, if you can give me a backtrace of whatever it is on your system (do you have your libraries installed properly) that is causing things to drop all the time, I'd be more than willing to fix it. As far as 0.12 goes, there isn't any code from before 0.14 still remaining in enlightenment, it was all written from scratch for that release. Please get your facts straight before you post next time (but then you are an anonymous coward so I suppose you're not embarassing yourself) -- Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
actually, all the releases that redhat put out with the gnome release was pre-release quality stuff of enlightenment -- Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
Actually, I should have noticed the date thing. especially since I have the date plastered all the hell all over my screen on all my prompts, and every time I do a CVS commit I use "date" to tag the ChangeLog:) -- Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
First off, I can't believe that I actually have to post a message like this out there. But I'll basically put it out there plain and simple: If you don't like E, don't use it. There's tons of FUD out there about enlightenment, people like to bash on enlightenment, etc. No better than people liking to bash on KDE or GNOME or what-have-you. But let's be honest here people - who cares? You don't like it, use something else. You're not going to hurt my feelings. I hardly think anyone should resort to the insult-level about it, though. I read a few select replies to this message through here about different things - "just eyecandy, no features" is something that's very common up there. Granted, there are a lot of things that are still missing from enlightenment - obviously there are, or it wouldn't have a "0" as the major revision number, eh? *grin* However a lot of people say there are no features without knowing what's really there. Enlightenment isn't all just eye-candy. that's just what it's known best for. There are a lot of features in the 0.15 release. "bloat bloat bloat" is another fairly well repeated comment that I see people tossing out there - my response to that is if we give you the mechanism to toss tons of graphics in their, it's your job not to abuse it. I'm not in the business of keeping you from over-decorating your desktop to obscenity, but don't blame me for those 12 1600x1200 24bpp background images you want to have on each of your desktops:) Do the math - wondering why your X server jumps up in memory? 1600x1200x3 bytes of memory PER BACKGROUND. turn on shm in imlib and E and share the same background on a bunch of desktops. use tiled backgrounds, etc... otherwise you're asking for the trouble:) I read another ocmment about how there was 9 months inbetween releases of enlightenment. First off I'd like to point out that up to this point no one has been paid to spend all their time working on enlightenment. and even then on top of that, there are almost-daily snapshots that have been being released of enlightenment for lord knows how long. if a release every other day isn't enough I suppose you can always use cvs updating to get a little more current. if you think that by complaining you can rush out buggier versions that no one working on them is comfortable releasing as a supported version of enlightenment, then guess again. Full releases of enlightenment are fairly sparse because no one wants to put crap out there. I know at least personally I have spent the last week or more ironing out bugs in various things, trying my damnedest to break things so that it wouldn't break on someone else. Raster has, too. Contrary to popular belief these days there's a little concern into what goes out to the public.
Anyways, I'm going to step off the soapbox for a bit. Back to my original point, if you don't like enlightenment, that's cool. there are tons of great alternatives to it out there. run windowmaker (raster and I sat met alfredo last week at LinuxWorld and he's a pretty cool guy, if not a bit quiet) - it's pretty slick if that's what you like. Anyways... I expect to get flamed for this by both enlightenment folks and non-enlightenment folks -- but I just felt like speaking my mind about this for a bit:) -- Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
I thought that's what I was implying by stating that you will be able to control everything via IPC? you can use whatever programming language you want to for scripting for that. As far as full integration with gnome - I don't want to ever force someone to run GNOME to run E. There are too many requirements as is for us to do that... As far as CORBA is concerned - *shrug* right now we're using x messages to do all the IPC which means we already gain secure connections (ssh encrypted sessions anyone?) and authentication (if your x server is unlocked you're already dead, we don't really open you up any more than you already are *grin*). We're not forcing you to have any more libraries than xlib installed for the IPC. -- Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
the "real" scripting language being scheme would be a nightmare. let's try something a little more realistic like letting you use any language. sounds better to me. I hate scheme, I'll always hate scheme, raster will always hate scheme, so don't count on a scheme-implementation:) As far as letting you script, with 0.16 you should be able to completely control everything via IPC, which should satisfy everyone's desire to script things. -- Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
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Well - I don't know what exactly you're expecting, but I can say that it's
fairly dynamic. I've been looking at it for the past
couple of days - they've got some big plans for the site, and
they've put a lot of work into it. (you should see the hardware
driving the site at the ISP)
I do know that a lot of people are concerned about the whole
"VA-run linux.com" but really I think that VA has done a pretty
good job of just hanging back and making the occasional comment
(besides being the ringleader of the group of volunteers that
have been working on the site).
anyways, that is my two cents.
--
Geoff Harrison (http://mandrake.net)
Senior Software Engineer - VA Linux Labs (http://www.valinux.com)
no offense, but 0.14 wasn't the version you were
supposed to run with GNOME. as far as uptime problems, if you can give me a backtrace of whatever it is on your system (do you have your libraries installed properly) that is causing things to drop all the time, I'd be more than willing to fix it. As far as 0.12 goes, there isn't any code from before 0.14 still remaining in enlightenment, it was all written from scratch for that release. Please get your facts straight before you post next time (but then you are an anonymous coward so I suppose you're not embarassing yourself)
--
Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
actually, all the releases that redhat put out with the gnome release was pre-release quality stuff of enlightenment
--
Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
Actually, I should have noticed the date thing. :)
especially since I have the date plastered all the hell all over my screen on all my prompts, and every time I do a CVS commit I use "date" to tag the ChangeLog
--
Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
First off, I can't believe that I actually have to post a message like this out there. But I'll basically put it out there plain and simple: If you don't like E, don't use it. There's tons of FUD out there about enlightenment, people like to bash on enlightenment, etc. No better than people liking to bash on KDE or GNOME or what-have-you. But let's be honest here people - who cares? You don't like it, use something else. You're not going to hurt my feelings. I hardly think anyone should resort to the insult-level about it, though. I read a few select replies to this message through here about different things - :) Do the math - wondering why your X server jumps up in memory? 1600x1200x3 bytes of memory PER BACKGROUND. turn on shm in imlib and E and share the same background on a bunch of desktops. use tiled backgrounds, etc... otherwise you're asking for the trouble :)
:)
"just eyecandy, no features" is something that's very common up there. Granted, there are a lot of things that are still missing from enlightenment - obviously there are, or it wouldn't have a "0" as the major revision number, eh? *grin* However a lot of people say there are no features without knowing what's really there. Enlightenment isn't all just eye-candy. that's just what it's known best for. There are a lot of features in the 0.15 release.
"bloat bloat bloat" is another fairly well repeated comment that I see people tossing out there - my response to that is if we give you the mechanism to toss tons of graphics in their, it's your job not to abuse it. I'm not in the business of keeping you from over-decorating your desktop to obscenity, but don't blame me for those 12 1600x1200 24bpp background images you want to have on each of your desktops
I read another ocmment about how there was 9 months inbetween releases of enlightenment. First off I'd like to point out that up to this point no one has been paid to spend all their time working on enlightenment. and even then on top of that, there are almost-daily snapshots that have been being released of enlightenment for lord knows how long. if a release every other day isn't enough I suppose you can always use cvs updating to get a little more current. if you think that by complaining you can rush out buggier versions that no one working on them is comfortable releasing as a supported version of enlightenment, then guess again. Full releases of enlightenment are fairly sparse because no one wants to put crap out there. I know at least personally I have spent the last week or more ironing out bugs in various things, trying my damnedest to break things so that it wouldn't break on someone else. Raster has, too. Contrary to popular belief these days there's a little concern into what goes out to the public.
Anyways, I'm going to step off the soapbox for a bit. Back to my original point, if you don't like enlightenment, that's cool. there are tons of great alternatives to it out there. run windowmaker (raster and I sat met alfredo last week at LinuxWorld and he's a pretty cool guy, if not a bit quiet) - it's pretty slick if that's what you like. Anyways... I expect to get flamed for this by both enlightenment folks and non-enlightenment folks -- but I just felt like speaking my mind about this for a bit
--
Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
I thought that's what I was implying by stating that you will be able to control everything via IPC? you can use whatever programming language you want to for scripting for that.
As far as full integration with gnome - I don't want to ever force someone to run GNOME to run E. There are too many requirements as is for us to do that...
As far as CORBA is concerned - *shrug* right now we're using x messages to do all the IPC which means we already gain secure connections (ssh encrypted sessions anyone?) and authentication (if your x server is unlocked you're already dead, we don't really open you up any more than you already are *grin*). We're not forcing you to have any more libraries than xlib installed for the IPC.
--
Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net
the "real" scripting language being scheme would be a nightmare. let's try something a little more realistic like letting you use any language. :)
sounds better to me. I hate scheme, I'll always hate scheme, raster will always hate scheme, so don't count on a scheme-implementation
As far as letting you script, with 0.16 you should be able to completely control everything via IPC, which should satisfy everyone's desire to script things.
--
Geoff Harrison (Mandrake) - http://mandrake.net