"Even with that aside, the artistic reason for copyright would also demand that the tail is protected"
Not if you are making the argument in the US, right?
I did suggest that you could have a copyright and use a Free, copyleft license in the tail though.
"That's not the same as "no money to be made". The long tail was touted as equally interesting as the head, and this study questions that and concludes that the tail is not worth it if you can participate in the profit from the head."
Fine, so then those participating in the head should have no copyright protection for their works in the tail. Is that OK for you?
OK, so how about no copyright or patent protection for stuff in the tail then, since there is no money to be made there right. Well, you can have a copyright there is you use a Free Copyleft license.
Any howls about all the money that would be lost yet?
How about the RIAA and MPAA cannot bring suits based on sharing from the tail?
"THe 'Add/Remove Programs' in Ubuntu addresses some of this, but try installing an app that plays podcasts WITHOUT KNOWING that democracyplayer and VLC play podcasts."
$ apt-cache search podcast ipodder - a podcast receiver penguintv - podcasts and video blogs for Linux podracer - podcast aggregator/downloader
On another box...
$ apt-cache search podcast democracyplayer - GTK+ based RSS video aggregator democracyplayer-data - GTK+ based RSS video aggregator data files hpodder - Tool to scan and download podcasts (podcatcher) kitty - a Qt/KDE based RSS podcast and video aggregator podracer - podcast aggregator/downloader rhythmbox - music player and organizer for GNOME
"Remember, the first part of freedom is tolerating those that have different opinions than yourself and even defending their right to have those opinions."
Hmmm, yes... Will the tolerant tolerate the intolerant?
A tough decision that.
What will happen if we discover an intolerance gene and it turns out people are born intolerant?
"The article assumes that some commercial tools are better than free ones. But people tend to pick the free, not-as-polished ones over the expensive, whiz-bang ones out of preference and comfort. Even if the expensive whiz-bang ones could save you weeks of work in the long run or thousands of man-hours of development time."
Thing is...
This is sort of how the PC won out over the mac and amiga... Not as good, but free. Oh wait. Not free, just less expensive.
The thing is, if you are being beaten in the market by a Free Software product and your product is indeed better, why not convert yours to Free Software and see if you can't lead the market and figure out an income stream from your leading position? When you see the alternative is no market for your product that is... But you can't wait too long or you will not be in front when you decide to set your product Free!
all the best,
drew I went down to the Free Market but everything had a price tag on it... Go figure.
"I don't get the difference between downloading with P2P and seeing a sidewalk sale and walking off with CDs"
Do you see the difference between singing a song on a street corner with a hat on the ground and seeing a sidewalk sale and walking off with CDs?
And to be honest, here at least, I think the penalties for being in posession of a knock off CD or DVD are way more harsh than for stealing the same from a store.
"and I see problems that it can't or won't solve."
Not that I would argue with that, but I still say that it seems to be a lot of the Free Market proponents who are also big IP proponents... Seems a bit odd...
"(Such as rural broadband in America.)"
Somehow, I don't think the telco markets operate on anything like a Free Market basis. Neither do the cable markets or the broadcast markets...
"I say "To all things, moderation!" (But then again, I'm a bit zealous in my campaign for moderation.)"
~;-),and I want to know if the tolerant will tolerate the intolerant.
non-Free "as it exists now" with lifetime plus protection, criminal penalties, no need to prove damages, and on and on, is not OK. Even a reasonable copyright may not may not be OK when it comes to code, certainly some make that case, but the one we have now is not OK for code or for art.
I also wonder why so many Free Market people seem so enamoured with government granted monopolies when it comes to these areas. Can't the Free market provide a better solution to the problem in their mind?
"Why is everyone so blinkered they always assume Microsoft employees are evil and anti-OSS? I don't think this guy is being negative, rather he's saying OSS could get an additional boost from extra payments."
"Currently there are perfectly good projects that have been abandoned by their developers despite being used by large corporations. Subsequently the projects fall out of use. This is unnecessary waste that would often be prevented by making it easy for companies to pay the developers directly."
How hard is it for a company to pay a developer directly. I mean, are there any large companies that cannot figure this out? If so and you are in a large company that needs help figuring this out, I am available on a consulting basis to help you with this issue. Fees to be worked out depending on your needs. Results guaranteed.
"Yes, Americans run out and throw away your privacy as fast as you can without thinking about it! The mortgage crisis was caused by a lack of fingerprints? Right!"
I am saying that I don't have to like all the parts of the package that I choose as best for me. It may be the best I can do, it may even be the best that can be done, but there can still be parts I don't like.
Copyleft, even though it is my preferred mode for my released works, has its own issues with incompatibility with other copyleft licenses.
Beyond all this, you can only do what the law allows with your licenses, and if the law does certain things which make you unhappy, you are stuck until the law changes... (For example, I can try and use a copyleft license and only a copyleft license on my songs, but the law forces me to give another license should someone choose to avail themselves of it, whether I like it or not...)
"The only time someone is using your creations is ways that you didn't agree to is when they are in violation of your copyright license."
Ah, I am not speaking of them using my works in ways I do not agree to, I speak of them using my works in ways I may not like.
And if I wrote my own copyleft license, it would be incompatible with all that GPL code out there and I would not like that. Trade off. I choose to use the GPL for now. It means people can legally and with my permission do things with my code that I do not like them doing. But I can't stop those uses without paying a higher price elsewhere.
Like I say, I am not sure we need to have this argument. It would help ig you respond to something I say and you disagree with in some sort of point by point fashion I think. I am trying to indicate where I do agree with you.
"No people are using your code in exactly the way you want them to."
No, you are wrong there when it comes to me. Perhaps you are correct when it comes to you.
But perhaps it is on the level of a philosophical argument and one which we do not need to have.
"You picked the trade offs so they are the ones you want."
You are right here. I picked the trade offs. But in doing so, I have to allow use in ways I may not want. As I say, such is life. A "daily special" and not "a la carte" huh?
This is more evident to me when it comes to my cc BY-SA works. Especially my photos.
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"Even with that aside, the artistic reason for copyright would also demand that the tail is protected"
Not if you are making the argument in the US, right?
I did suggest that you could have a copyright and use a Free, copyleft license in the tail though.
"That's not the same as "no money to be made". The long tail was touted as equally interesting as the head, and this study questions that and concludes that the tail is not worth it if you can participate in the profit from the head."
Fine, so then those participating in the head should have no copyright protection for their works in the tail. Is that OK for you?
all the best,
drew
Read what I wrote again...
If there really is no money to be made in the tail then copyright serves no purpose there.
So, is there money to be made there or not? (I am not taking a position on that in this post.)
all the best,
drew
OK, so how about no copyright or patent protection for stuff in the tail then, since there is no money to be made there right. Well, you can have a copyright there is you use a Free Copyleft license.
Any howls about all the money that would be lost yet?
How about the RIAA and MPAA cannot bring suits based on sharing from the tail?
Any howls yet?
all the best,
drew
"CS: It is all sink or swim...oh and did I mention there are sharks in that water?"
With lasers? Don't tell me that have lasers too!
all the best,
drew
--
http://packet-in.org/
Packet In - Libre Music, sometimes Gratis
"THe 'Add/Remove Programs' in Ubuntu addresses some of this, but try installing an app that plays podcasts WITHOUT KNOWING that democracyplayer and VLC play podcasts."
$ apt-cache search podcast
ipodder - a podcast receiver
penguintv - podcasts and video blogs for Linux
podracer - podcast aggregator/downloader
On another box...
$ apt-cache search podcast
democracyplayer - GTK+ based RSS video aggregator
democracyplayer-data - GTK+ based RSS video aggregator data files
hpodder - Tool to scan and download podcasts (podcatcher)
kitty - a Qt/KDE based RSS podcast and video aggregator
podracer - podcast aggregator/downloader
rhythmbox - music player and organizer for GNOME
That do the trick for you?
all the best,
drew
Bingo!
drew
"The article cites that LimitNone claims that the 'gMove' application was a trade secret..it wasn't even patented."
Quick, anyone: Can you have a patent on a trade secret? Or a trade secret on a patent?
all the best,
drew
"Duct, Electrical, Masking or Transparent?"
Double sided?
drew
"Remember, the first part of freedom is tolerating those that have different opinions than yourself and even defending their right to have those opinions."
Hmmm, yes... Will the tolerant tolerate the intolerant?
A tough decision that.
What will happen if we discover an intolerance gene and it turns out people are born intolerant?
all the best,
drew
"The article assumes that some commercial tools are better than free ones. But people tend to pick the free, not-as-polished ones over the expensive, whiz-bang ones out of preference and comfort. Even if the expensive whiz-bang ones could save you weeks of work in the long run or thousands of man-hours of development time."
Thing is...
This is sort of how the PC won out over the mac and amiga... Not as good, but free. Oh wait. Not free, just less expensive.
The thing is, if you are being beaten in the market by a Free Software product and your product is indeed better, why not convert yours to Free Software and see if you can't lead the market and figure out an income stream from your leading position? When you see the alternative is no market for your product that is... But you can't wait too long or you will not be in front when you decide to set your product Free!
all the best,
drew
I went down to the Free Market but everything had a price tag on it... Go figure.
Indeed, where are the meta moderators when you need them hey?
all the best,
drew
Haha,
someone can't spot a joke... Even when there is a ~;-) there as a hint...
all the best,
drew
"I don't get the difference between downloading with P2P and seeing a sidewalk sale and walking off with CDs"
Do you see the difference between singing a song on a street corner with a hat on the ground and seeing a sidewalk sale and walking off with CDs?
And to be honest, here at least, I think the penalties for being in posession of a knock off CD or DVD are way more harsh than for stealing the same from a store.
all the best,
drew
"People do not have $10,000 to load up an IPOD with content."
Gee, I don't see why not. They are all raking in the dough and have no other obligations or expenses. I mean, get a clue!
~;-)
all the best,
drew
Sorry,
Your number 2 is not going to fly...
Here is a counter proposal...
http://zotzbro.blogspot.com/2007/04/some-thoughts-on-copyright-offensive.html
all the best,
drew
"and I see problems that it can't or won't solve."
Not that I would argue with that, but I still say that it seems to be a lot of the Free Market proponents who are also big IP proponents... Seems a bit odd...
"(Such as rural broadband in America.)"
Somehow, I don't think the telco markets operate on anything like a Free Market basis. Neither do the cable markets or the broadcast markets...
"I say "To all things, moderation!" (But then again, I'm a bit zealous in my campaign for moderation.)"
~;-),and I want to know if the tolerant will tolerate the intolerant.
all the best,
drew
Let me take a small shot...
non-Free "as it exists now" with lifetime plus protection, criminal penalties, no need to prove damages, and on and on, is not OK. Even a reasonable copyright may not may not be OK when it comes to code, certainly some make that case, but the one we have now is not OK for code or for art.
I also wonder why so many Free Market people seem so enamoured with government granted monopolies when it comes to these areas. Can't the Free market provide a better solution to the problem in their mind?
all the best,
drew
"Your management is retarded?"
~;-) Could very well be!...
We used to have multiplan on CP/M way back when... I seem to remember the foxpro folks having some post MS fun a while back as well....
all the best,
drew
Yeah, but what if your business had invested thousands or millions of dollars in Microsoft Bob! now that would be painful!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
all the best,
drew
"Why is everyone so blinkered they always assume Microsoft employees are evil and anti-OSS? I don't think this guy is being negative, rather he's saying OSS could get an additional boost from extra payments."
Sure he's being negative. See my post here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=568393&cid=23599717
If a big company cannot figure out how to pay a developer directly, they can't be long for this world...
all the best,
drew
"Currently there are perfectly good projects that have been abandoned by their developers despite being used by large corporations. Subsequently the projects fall out of use. This is unnecessary waste that would often be prevented by making it easy for companies to pay the developers directly."
How hard is it for a company to pay a developer directly. I mean, are there any large companies that cannot figure this out? If so and you are in a large company that needs help figuring this out, I am available on a consulting basis to help you with this issue. Fees to be worked out depending on your needs. Results guaranteed.
all the best,
drew
"Yes, Americans run out and throw away your privacy as fast as you can without thinking about it! The mortgage crisis was caused by a lack of fingerprints? Right!"
There's no doubt about it...
Thats what that old army post was for...
all the best,
drew
I am not arguing with you stated point here...
I am saying that I don't have to like all the parts of the package that I choose as best for me. It may be the best I can do, it may even be the best that can be done, but there can still be parts I don't like.
Copyleft, even though it is my preferred mode for my released works, has its own issues with incompatibility with other copyleft licenses.
Beyond all this, you can only do what the law allows with your licenses, and if the law does certain things which make you unhappy, you are stuck until the law changes... (For example, I can try and use a copyleft license and only a copyleft license on my songs, but the law forces me to give another license should someone choose to avail themselves of it, whether I like it or not...)
all the best,
drew
http://packet-in.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
I do get it.
"The only time someone is using your creations is ways that you didn't agree to is when they are in violation of your copyright license."
Ah, I am not speaking of them using my works in ways I do not agree to, I speak of them using my works in ways I may not like.
And if I wrote my own copyleft license, it would be incompatible with all that GPL code out there and I would not like that. Trade off. I choose to use the GPL for now. It means people can legally and with my permission do things with my code that I do not like them doing. But I can't stop those uses without paying a higher price elsewhere.
Like I say, I am not sure we need to have this argument. It would help ig you respond to something I say and you disagree with in some sort of point by point fashion I think. I am trying to indicate where I do agree with you.
all the best,
drew
http://packet-in.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
"No people are using your code in exactly the way you want them to."
No, you are wrong there when it comes to me. Perhaps you are correct when it comes to you.
But perhaps it is on the level of a philosophical argument and one which we do not need to have.
"You picked the trade offs so they are the ones you want."
You are right here. I picked the trade offs. But in doing so, I have to allow use in ways I may not want. As I say, such is life. A "daily special" and not "a la carte" huh?
This is more evident to me when it comes to my cc BY-SA works. Especially my photos.
all the best,
drew