I cannot think of a more inappropriate response to the murder of three thousand people than the wholesale destruction of the values, ideals, and liberties by which they lived, in their name.
That is one of the most beautiful and profound comments I've ever read here. Kudos.
Quite the analogy indeed. See, in *your* example, the one committing "fraud" is an officer of the law. Are the guys sending out malware to infect my computer affiliated with law enforcement? And yeah, maybe the email analogy is flawed, but we're still talking about a trojan here. If I wanted to run their trojan, I'd find it and download it on my own. By some of the logic I'm seeing in this thread, I guess some of you would have no problem with these guys adding a keystroke logger, nabbing your CC# and billing you for the software you downloaded. A trojan is a trojan, no matter why it's installed. What they're doing is illegal.
Network operators tend to be dicks. I bought a Sony Ericsson T206 from Telus (a Canadian provider) because out of all the phones they offered for pre-paid (to hell with contracts) it had the features I wanted, which included a ringtone composer and the ability to send ringtones via sms. Turns out Telus decided to remove those features, since they figured their customers would be happier BUYING ringtones directly from them for $1.50 each. So I guess *I'm* the ass for assuming they were selling a *real* T206, since the box said "Sony Ericsson T206" and not "Telus Ericsson, which is like the Sony version, only shitty". Dicks.
First off, let me state that I'm a casual cigarette smoker (a pack lasts me a week or so) and a pretty big fan of marijuana, and I wasn't trying to shoot down your argument or call for the banning of tobacco and/or marijuana. I was merely trying to make the point that many things that are perfectly legal are lethal if used improperly or excessively. Would you have preferred that I made the argument that I could go to any dollar store, buy a can of butane for refilling lighters or candles, and huff that until I'm blind/paralyzed/dead? Same goes for air dusters that a lot of us use for cleaning dust out of our computers. I was more referencing back a few comments to the original poster who said that nobody had ever died from a marijuana overdose. Most users of marijuana smoke it, so the original argument still stands as true. Alcohol CAN be fatal in large enough quantities, when consumed as it's supposed to be (drinking) but I'd bet it's even more fatal if you dunk your face in a bucket full and try to inhale it. Still, I don't see anyone outlawing vodka because people could drown in it.
I actually see it as more of a way to prove authenticity. By only allowing the logo to appear on official builds, it's a way for users to know that this binary was built and (theoretically) tested by The Mozilla Foundation (tm). Debian, RedHat, and everyone else are all free to include Moz in their distro, but unless they're using Moz-built binaries, they can't include the logo. Thus, the user knows whether it's an official Mozilla build or not. Makes sense to me, anyways...
Well, smoking one pack of cigarettes may not kill you, but if you extract the nicotine from it and inject it, you'd be dead in minutes. So it looks like we need to ban cigarettes.
Looking at it in percentages like that is misleading. It may only be.75% of the workforce, but it's still nearly a million people in the country who were previously employed, and now aren't. Economists get a hard-on when they can say "hey, unemployment is down to 13.3% this year from last year's 13.4%". This is a HUGE chunk of the population. When an entire industry starts outsourcing, how do those who lost their jobs find new ones? They move to another industry. And since most of these people spent years in universities to get those jobs, they aren't really trained for much more than that particular sector. So they end up looking for jobs in retail. Are there really enough jobs for all of them? Do all those jobs pay as well, or will they all have to sell their homes? Who will buy those homes? Do you know a million middle to upper-middle class families looking for houses?
Maybe a nice non-routable subnet could let you get some info and some AV updates. That'd be great, actually. Email warning, once or maybe twice, sub ignores it, then one day finds that Explorer automatically goes to a nice Comcast site that says "j00 g0t 0wnz0r3d" or something similar. A little run-down on how to secure your machine, a mirror of current NAV/Macaffee definitions, a free AV prog, Zone Alarm, and a web based scan like Norton has on their site. You follow the directions and run the scan. If you pass, they let you back onto the internet at large. All automatic, no human intervention required.
Company C, selling the smaller drives, can't really keep up though. They'll eventually need to sell larger drives, which means manufacturing another line. Company B (or Company AB after the acquisition...) can make a slimmer margin on the smaller drive, but only need to produce one drive (with different firmware) and keeps a higher margin on their high end part. Company C needs to actually produce drives with a different number of platters/heads, or different sized heads, and therefore has greater manufacturing costs, which will drive up the price of their products or force them to a lower profit margin to remain competitive. Company AB can keep doing this (next they jump to a 300GB disk, and sell it as 300GB or 250GB and maybe even a low end 200GB disk).
Fuck fraud, call it libel. Being associated with SCO is obviously harmful. CA said as much - something along the lines of "we don't want our reputation tarnished because people *think* we bought a license". I'd say there's a good case here.
How many people do you know that actually read EULAs, or javascript popups? Everyone that I know seems to look for the escape (clicking "I Agree" on EULAs or "OK" on anything their browser pops up). Hell, these attachments need to actually be executed. The user is already going to the trouble of right-clicking the attachment and either saving it, finding it, and running it, or just running it right from OE. One more popup would only slow them down by half a second.
Even if it *is a document tracking system, firing the snitch would be on par with fessing up to that document being authentic. And I'm sure that IBM and RedHat and Novell would all be interested in this document, which somehow never got handed over in discovery. And the SEC may want to know why MS is funneling tens of millions of dollars through other companies to SCO, and how SCO is reporting this income. And the DOJ may want to know why MS is doing this as well, since it just may be considered anti-competitive to fund a company's attempt to exterminate your enemies.
I had the same problem at first. Make sure you take out the space that slashcode put in (.../RPMS.up dates/... - take the space out of "updates"). It's working just fine for me now. However, someone's going to have to diff this against a known clean kernel from kernel.org or some other reputable source and make sure that it's the *original* source, otherwise we could all be snagging code that SCO cleaned to remove their alleged IP and we're doing nothing more than adding to their bandwidth bill.
That's what I was thinking too. Plus, can they *actually* expect to just shut down a multi-billion dollar national chain store just like that, especially when their own statements make it clear that hey have no concrete evidence? And we all know how quick SCO is to find offending code...
How is it that this is libel? Careful wording and omission? So now when CNN reports on a serial killer, do they also have to mention that he adopted a kitten from the SPCA and once gave a homeless guy some spare change? *NOTHING* that HardOCP said in their article was false. They pooled together publically available information to paint a picture of the company. The simple fact that there was no attempt by Infinium to refute the article should be your first clue that it's not libelous. You can't sue someone for stating documented facts, no matter how much you don't like them.
Seriously, this sounds like the funniest party ever. I wonder if I can convice the boss that I really *need* to be on the phone for this call because it's vital to our business or something. I'm just imagining an actual attempt at a real teleconference going on in the background of everything you just listed, and more, as a few hundred slashdotters tie up the lines.
I keep hearing this argument, but I have an honest question for anyone who knows better than I. If I, as a business owner or CEO, start telling everyone that they owe me money or I'll take them to court, as Darl Inc. has done, am I not legally responsible to do a little homework and be sure that I'm not talking out my ass? I always thought ignorance was no excuse in the eyes of the law, yet here we have a company who is claiming to own something, even though they have yet to prove that to a court, and trying to bill everyone for it. Doesn't this show some degree of fraud, since there is quite obviously a question as to whether they actually *do* own the IP they claim rights to? They have to know that there's a chance they don't really have ownership, so don't they have some legal responsibility to hold off on selling licenses until the court cases are resolved?
I'm running Gentoo and Win2k pro with absolutely no problems. I have a 50mb boot partition, gentoo on ext3, win2k on ntfs, swap space, and the rest of the drive is fat32 so I can share (music/movies/documents) between the two OS's. Lilo lets me boot either without a problem, and the whole thing was entirely painless, except for the part where windows ate my lilo install and I had to boot from a bootdisk to rerun/sbin/lilo. For all the trolls who like to talk about everyone thinking they're so 1337 for running gentoo, all I have to say is that if you want to actually *learn* about the os, I learned more in the weekend I installed gentoo that I had in the previous two years of running mandrake, and the documentation on their website is incredible.
My company has invented the mind-control device. Unfortunately, due to marketing setting the ship date six weeks earlier than anticipated, the telepathic reprogrammer is still in beta. Hopefully we'll have it ready in a couple months and we can put out a firmware upgrade.
They can, however, stop offering any support for SCO UNIX. I don't know much about SCO's offering, so I don't know if it uses a different Apache source tree than Linux or other UNIXes, or if Apache offers prebuilt binaries for SCO, but that would be one place to start. Admins may not be too happy that they suddenly can't get any of the apps they used to use for their SCO boxes, even if it's not a license thing. And I don't think SCO has any coders left to work on updating Apache, or any other software that stops supporting their platform. It's not *just* about SCO vs. GPL, it's about SCO vs. OSS in general.
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I cannot think of a more inappropriate response to the murder of three thousand people than the wholesale destruction of the values, ideals, and liberties by which they lived, in their name.
That is one of the most beautiful and profound comments I've ever read here. Kudos.
Quite the analogy indeed. See, in *your* example, the one committing "fraud" is an officer of the law. Are the guys sending out malware to infect my computer affiliated with law enforcement? And yeah, maybe the email analogy is flawed, but we're still talking about a trojan here. If I wanted to run their trojan, I'd find it and download it on my own. By some of the logic I'm seeing in this thread, I guess some of you would have no problem with these guys adding a keystroke logger, nabbing your CC# and billing you for the software you downloaded. A trojan is a trojan, no matter why it's installed. What they're doing is illegal.
Network operators tend to be dicks. I bought a Sony Ericsson T206 from Telus (a Canadian provider) because out of all the phones they offered for pre-paid (to hell with contracts) it had the features I wanted, which included a ringtone composer and the ability to send ringtones via sms. Turns out Telus decided to remove those features, since they figured their customers would be happier BUYING ringtones directly from them for $1.50 each. So I guess *I'm* the ass for assuming they were selling a *real* T206, since the box said "Sony Ericsson T206" and not "Telus Ericsson, which is like the Sony version, only shitty". Dicks.
First off, let me state that I'm a casual cigarette smoker (a pack lasts me a week or so) and a pretty big fan of marijuana, and I wasn't trying to shoot down your argument or call for the banning of tobacco and/or marijuana. I was merely trying to make the point that many things that are perfectly legal are lethal if used improperly or excessively. Would you have preferred that I made the argument that I could go to any dollar store, buy a can of butane for refilling lighters or candles, and huff that until I'm blind/paralyzed/dead? Same goes for air dusters that a lot of us use for cleaning dust out of our computers. I was more referencing back a few comments to the original poster who said that nobody had ever died from a marijuana overdose. Most users of marijuana smoke it, so the original argument still stands as true. Alcohol CAN be fatal in large enough quantities, when consumed as it's supposed to be (drinking) but I'd bet it's even more fatal if you dunk your face in a bucket full and try to inhale it. Still, I don't see anyone outlawing vodka because people could drown in it.
I actually see it as more of a way to prove authenticity. By only allowing the logo to appear on official builds, it's a way for users to know that this binary was built and (theoretically) tested by The Mozilla Foundation (tm). Debian, RedHat, and everyone else are all free to include Moz in their distro, but unless they're using Moz-built binaries, they can't include the logo. Thus, the user knows whether it's an official Mozilla build or not. Makes sense to me, anyways...
Well, smoking one pack of cigarettes may not kill you, but if you extract the nicotine from it and inject it, you'd be dead in minutes. So it looks like we need to ban cigarettes.
Looking at it in percentages like that is misleading. It may only be .75% of the workforce, but it's still nearly a million people in the country who were previously employed, and now aren't. Economists get a hard-on when they can say "hey, unemployment is down to 13.3% this year from last year's 13.4%". This is a HUGE chunk of the population. When an entire industry starts outsourcing, how do those who lost their jobs find new ones? They move to another industry. And since most of these people spent years in universities to get those jobs, they aren't really trained for much more than that particular sector. So they end up looking for jobs in retail. Are there really enough jobs for all of them? Do all those jobs pay as well, or will they all have to sell their homes? Who will buy those homes? Do you know a million middle to upper-middle class families looking for houses?
Maybe a nice non-routable subnet could let you get some info and some AV updates. That'd be great, actually. Email warning, once or maybe twice, sub ignores it, then one day finds that Explorer automatically goes to a nice Comcast site that says "j00 g0t 0wnz0r3d" or something similar. A little run-down on how to secure your machine, a mirror of current NAV/Macaffee definitions, a free AV prog, Zone Alarm, and a web based scan like Norton has on their site. You follow the directions and run the scan. If you pass, they let you back onto the internet at large. All automatic, no human intervention required.
Company C, selling the smaller drives, can't really keep up though. They'll eventually need to sell larger drives, which means manufacturing another line. Company B (or Company AB after the acquisition...) can make a slimmer margin on the smaller drive, but only need to produce one drive (with different firmware) and keeps a higher margin on their high end part. Company C needs to actually produce drives with a different number of platters/heads, or different sized heads, and therefore has greater manufacturing costs, which will drive up the price of their products or force them to a lower profit margin to remain competitive. Company AB can keep doing this (next they jump to a 300GB disk, and sell it as 300GB or 250GB and maybe even a low end 200GB disk).
The mod who marked this comment "+1, Insightful" is a goddamn genius! Best comedic use of mod points EVER!
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Check out Arcsoft's PhotoMontage or Collage Creator. They're not f/oss, but I can tell you from experience that PhotoMontage is damn cool.
Fuck fraud, call it libel. Being associated with SCO is obviously harmful. CA said as much - something along the lines of "we don't want our reputation tarnished because people *think* we bought a license". I'd say there's a good case here.
How many people do you know that actually read EULAs, or javascript popups? Everyone that I know seems to look for the escape (clicking "I Agree" on EULAs or "OK" on anything their browser pops up). Hell, these attachments need to actually be executed. The user is already going to the trouble of right-clicking the attachment and either saving it, finding it, and running it, or just running it right from OE. One more popup would only slow them down by half a second.
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I was gonna visit your band site, as linked in your sig. Then I read your post...
Even if it *is a document tracking system, firing the snitch would be on par with fessing up to that document being authentic. And I'm sure that IBM and RedHat and Novell would all be interested in this document, which somehow never got handed over in discovery. And the SEC may want to know why MS is funneling tens of millions of dollars through other companies to SCO, and how SCO is reporting this income. And the DOJ may want to know why MS is doing this as well, since it just may be considered anti-competitive to fund a company's attempt to exterminate your enemies.
I had the same problem at first. Make sure you take out the space that slashcode put in (.../RPMS.up dates/... - take the space out of "updates"). It's working just fine for me now. However, someone's going to have to diff this against a known clean kernel from kernel.org or some other reputable source and make sure that it's the *original* source, otherwise we could all be snagging code that SCO cleaned to remove their alleged IP and we're doing nothing more than adding to their bandwidth bill.
That's what I was thinking too. Plus, can they *actually* expect to just shut down a multi-billion dollar national chain store just like that, especially when their own statements make it clear that hey have no concrete evidence? And we all know how quick SCO is to find offending code...
How is it that this is libel? Careful wording and omission? So now when CNN reports on a serial killer, do they also have to mention that he adopted a kitten from the SPCA and once gave a homeless guy some spare change? *NOTHING* that HardOCP said in their article was false. They pooled together publically available information to paint a picture of the company. The simple fact that there was no attempt by Infinium to refute the article should be your first clue that it's not libelous. You can't sue someone for stating documented facts, no matter how much you don't like them.
Seriously, this sounds like the funniest party ever. I wonder if I can convice the boss that I really *need* to be on the phone for this call because it's vital to our business or something. I'm just imagining an actual attempt at a real teleconference going on in the background of everything you just listed, and more, as a few hundred slashdotters tie up the lines.
I keep hearing this argument, but I have an honest question for anyone who knows better than I. If I, as a business owner or CEO, start telling everyone that they owe me money or I'll take them to court, as Darl Inc. has done, am I not legally responsible to do a little homework and be sure that I'm not talking out my ass? I always thought ignorance was no excuse in the eyes of the law, yet here we have a company who is claiming to own something, even though they have yet to prove that to a court, and trying to bill everyone for it. Doesn't this show some degree of fraud, since there is quite obviously a question as to whether they actually *do* own the IP they claim rights to? They have to know that there's a chance they don't really have ownership, so don't they have some legal responsibility to hold off on selling licenses until the court cases are resolved?
I'm running Gentoo and Win2k pro with absolutely no problems. I have a 50mb boot partition, gentoo on ext3, win2k on ntfs, swap space, and the rest of the drive is fat32 so I can share (music/movies/documents) between the two OS's. Lilo lets me boot either without a problem, and the whole thing was entirely painless, except for the part where windows ate my lilo install and I had to boot from a bootdisk to rerun /sbin/lilo. For all the trolls who like to talk about everyone thinking they're so 1337 for running gentoo, all I have to say is that if you want to actually *learn* about the os, I learned more in the weekend I installed gentoo that I had in the previous two years of running mandrake, and the documentation on their website is incredible.
My company has invented the mind-control device. Unfortunately, due to marketing setting the ship date six weeks earlier than anticipated, the telepathic reprogrammer is still in beta. Hopefully we'll have it ready in a couple months and we can put out a firmware upgrade.
They can, however, stop offering any support for SCO UNIX. I don't know much about SCO's offering, so I don't know if it uses a different Apache source tree than Linux or other UNIXes, or if Apache offers prebuilt binaries for SCO, but that would be one place to start. Admins may not be too happy that they suddenly can't get any of the apps they used to use for their SCO boxes, even if it's not a license thing. And I don't think SCO has any coders left to work on updating Apache, or any other software that stops supporting their platform. It's not *just* about SCO vs. GPL, it's about SCO vs. OSS in general.