What would be really nice to see is the RIAA take Phillips to court, and then Phillips pulling the trademark for CD Digital Audio away from all of the RIAA's members. Imagine everybody scrambling when all of the major record labels can't call their CDs "CD" anymore. Now THAT would be funny!
It's just too bad the patents are expiring so soon, or this could be even better...
I've seen several people use the "repeated compression = 1 byte final result" argument against this announcement here - it's inappropriate.
Ok, so what if I start out with 100 bytes of data, purely random (as pure as can be had...) that just happens to have no patterns that can be factored out (could happen...it's random). You mean to tell me that can be compressed at 100:1? Even if it did have some patterns to it, there's no way in hell it could crush down to 1 byte. The fact that they claim on their website that they take data and randomize with a patented technology is a good tip-off that it's a hoax.
So, mod me down as a troll, eh? Is that like the cave troll that skewered frodo and made him cry? Ha! Don't get me wrong, I liked the movie...just too much crying...
Ok, it's a troll, but I'll bite. First of all, I couldn't help but notice your sig, which is a bastardized version of a very popular quote these days: "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety deserve neither" or something to that effect. So how do you go from whining that we're not censoring enough to saying that we shouldn't give up any liberties in the same breath? Second, I think video games are the least of your worries. Have you seen what's on TV lately? Do you listen to the radio? Read any magazines? Are you planning to tie up your kids in the closet? You've already said you can't watch them 24/7. If you haven't instilled in your children the proper morals to know what's right and what's wrong, regardless of what tv/video games/radio/the internet says, then no ammount of censorship will help - the blame will be squarely on you.
Such a typical stupid fucking slashdot reply. If you read the article, you'd see that the patent was filed in 1994 and awarded in 1997. RDF wasn't even a spec until 1998 and was a W3C recommendation by february 1999. So how the hell does that equal "wait(ing) for something to get big then claim you own it"? At least do the rest of us the favour of reading the material before you blindly comment and subject us to your uninfomred drivel.
If you spend enough time securing a program, it can be provable secure. That this isn't feasible does not mean its not possible.
Indeed, and by disproving my theory that everything is "hackable", you've "hacked" my theory, thus proving it. Wrap your head around THAT!
Seriously, I wouldn't normally want to make such a broad statement as "all things are hackable" (I use "hack" and not "crack", since I'm not just talking about damaging systems here...) but for the sake of this discussion, it's as near to truth as you can get. When you start working with things like a satellite system, you've got too much software / hardware to juggle. You're right: it's simply not feasible to test every single snippet of code. Add to that the possibility that someone on your team will sell you out for cash (social engineering can be a hack too, I suppose...) and there will always be a way in on a project of this size. It just needs to be found. Maybe nobody will ever hack your little program, but what about inetd? Or the machine hosting it? Or break into the building housing the server and take a hammer to it? A satellite is much more important than what you wrote (no insult intended;) and some people would do whatever it took to get at it. When it's security to that magnitude, all avenues must be considered. And somewhere on one of those roads, there's a door.
It's the same reasons you tweak settings in CONFIG.SYS or fiddle with the registry or mess with BIOS or play around with what services are loaded at boot-up. Sure, maybe YOU are the only one who notices that you can load your OS three seconds faster or that you have the world's fastest POST, but dammit you did it BECAUSE YOU CAN!
It was actually a joke, in reply to the original joke about making it run linux and open-sourcing all of the protocols. Some things are meant to be funny...read up on it sometime. Besides, you don't need storage for anime...it's a satelite for chrissakes, just use it to beam down signals of whatever you want. Twit.
p.s. - yes I realize that I'm replying to an A.C. post and am simply fanning the flames...I just don't care.
I'd say a better idea is to use Microsoft's Windows XP Embedded. Run IIS on the satelite and use a web-based interface for administration tasks. No special software needed - just your IE 6.0 browser that came pre-installed on the home version of XP you purchased (after all, the browser IS the OS). Plus I've been assured that it's entirely secure.
it's along the same lines of 'anything that can be made can be unmade'. It's just one of those natural laws...there is no such thing as 'unhackable'. given enough time and resources, anything can be broken.
I don't agree with your metaphor, but I do agree that we need a new one. When it comes to something like a virus, everyone goes for the "well if you left your house unlocked and someone robs you, it's your fault" but when it has to do with software/mp3s/dv/whatever the tune changes to "well it's digital, so it's not stealing". Theft is theft. Damage is damage. Whether the damage I do is breaking a window or crashing a server, the real world (think outside of the internet, people) has expenses that are paid with real money. Even if the damage is only to bits and bytes, someone has to pay the geek to fix it.
The solution isn't to toss them in jail or throw away the key, the solution is to get them to do something useful with their skills and then to use products that don't have so many security problems
Point 1: There are many new procedures in place now to help prevent plane hijackings and such. If you went to an airport whose security policy was "Sure, we *could* use these new security measures, but we're not gonna" would you get on one of their planes?
Point 2: 99.9% of worms running rampant are taking advantage of old, well known, patchable security holes. If your IT dept. tells you they *could* fix the problem, but they don't, what would you do?
So, in the first scenario, how quick would we all be to jump on the airport for being so lax in their security measures? Why isn't more attention drawn to the fact that sircam, code red, nimda, and everything else bogging down our servers is perfectly easy to fix?
that's a great idea to replace the original data, but once your above-average script kiddie figures out that the page he just 0wn3d resets itself to normal 5 minutes after he h4ck3d it, he may just be smart enough to go after your monitoring software. or crash the box. or find the original data that's being used for backup, and replace it. and it doesn't even touch the problem that once a hole is found, it's there until you patch it. the 'simple solution' is to check your logs, find the hole, and patch patch patch. maybe these companies will start to care when somebody makes it through to the database servers that they thought were bulletproof. if the web defacement you don't care about turns out to be a listing of your customer credit card records, you may suddenly find yourself caring.
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No, the biggest accessibility mogul is that someone posted their site on the front page of slashdot.
It'd be nice to run the web server on that 3.5 Ghz, but without more bandwidth, you're still slashdotted...
Or, if you're concerned with the security of online transactions, please sign up for a Passport account. They will handle all payment details.
What would be really nice to see is the RIAA take Phillips to court, and then Phillips pulling the trademark for CD Digital Audio away from all of the RIAA's members. Imagine everybody scrambling when all of the major record labels can't call their CDs "CD" anymore. Now THAT would be funny!
It's just too bad the patents are expiring so soon, or this could be even better...
I've seen several people use the "repeated compression = 1 byte final result" argument against this announcement here - it's inappropriate.
Ok, so what if I start out with 100 bytes of data, purely random (as pure as can be had...) that just happens to have no patterns that can be factored out (could happen...it's random). You mean to tell me that can be compressed at 100:1? Even if it did have some patterns to it, there's no way in hell it could crush down to 1 byte. The fact that they claim on their website that they take data and randomize with a patented technology is a good tip-off that it's a hoax.
So, mod me down as a troll, eh? Is that like the cave troll that skewered frodo and made him cry? Ha! Don't get me wrong, I liked the movie...just too much crying...
So, 30-40 minutes extra footage? How many more scenes of Frodo crying does that translate to?
"Nobody throws McDwarf" -McDwarf
iname all the way...although I think it's all under mail.com now. I've had this address for probably four or five years now...
I hit the screenshot link and got "file not found". A blank screen that does nothing? Looks just like Windows ME!!!! Good job guys!!!
Zing!
Ok, it's a troll, but I'll bite. First of all, I couldn't help but notice your sig, which is a bastardized version of a very popular quote these days: "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety deserve neither" or something to that effect. So how do you go from whining that we're not censoring enough to saying that we shouldn't give up any liberties in the same breath? Second, I think video games are the least of your worries. Have you seen what's on TV lately? Do you listen to the radio? Read any magazines? Are you planning to tie up your kids in the closet? You've already said you can't watch them 24/7. If you haven't instilled in your children the proper morals to know what's right and what's wrong, regardless of what tv/video games/radio/the internet says, then no ammount of censorship will help - the blame will be squarely on you.
It gets funnier from there. I've always loved how City bleeps the 'god' out of 'god damn'. Anybody that censors out god is all good by me ;)
"...what you basically have is an inexpensive all in wonder unit"
As a representative of ATI, I must demand that you immediately desist in your use of my company's trademark. That is all.
And here I thought he was being funny. As in "there's already a dvd player with ps1 support...it's called a ps2"
Such a typical stupid fucking slashdot reply. If you read the article, you'd see that the patent was filed in 1994 and awarded in 1997. RDF wasn't even a spec until 1998 and was a W3C recommendation by february 1999. So how the hell does that equal "wait(ing) for something to get big then claim you own it"? At least do the rest of us the favour of reading the material before you blindly comment and subject us to your uninfomred drivel.
If you spend enough time securing a program, it can be provable secure. That this isn't feasible does not mean its not possible.
;) and some people would do whatever it took to get at it. When it's security to that magnitude, all avenues must be considered. And somewhere on one of those roads, there's a door.
Indeed, and by disproving my theory that everything is "hackable", you've "hacked" my theory, thus proving it. Wrap your head around THAT!
Seriously, I wouldn't normally want to make such a broad statement as "all things are hackable" (I use "hack" and not "crack", since I'm not just talking about damaging systems here...) but for the sake of this discussion, it's as near to truth as you can get. When you start working with things like a satellite system, you've got too much software / hardware to juggle. You're right: it's simply not feasible to test every single snippet of code. Add to that the possibility that someone on your team will sell you out for cash (social engineering can be a hack too, I suppose...) and there will always be a way in on a project of this size. It just needs to be found. Maybe nobody will ever hack your little program, but what about inetd? Or the machine hosting it? Or break into the building housing the server and take a hammer to it? A satellite is much more important than what you wrote (no insult intended
It's the same reasons you tweak settings in CONFIG.SYS or fiddle with the registry or mess with BIOS or play around with what services are loaded at boot-up. Sure, maybe YOU are the only one who notices that you can load your OS three seconds faster or that you have the world's fastest POST, but dammit you did it BECAUSE YOU CAN!
yes. yes I do.
How much more physically secure can you get?!?! The thing's in outer-fucking-space!!!
It was actually a joke, in reply to the original joke about making it run linux and open-sourcing all of the protocols. Some things are meant to be funny...read up on it sometime. Besides, you don't need storage for anime...it's a satelite for chrissakes, just use it to beam down signals of whatever you want. Twit.
p.s. - yes I realize that I'm replying to an A.C. post and am simply fanning the flames...I just don't care.
I'd say a better idea is to use Microsoft's Windows XP Embedded. Run IIS on the satelite and use a web-based interface for administration tasks. No special software needed - just your IE 6.0 browser that came pre-installed on the home version of XP you purchased (after all, the browser IS the OS). Plus I've been assured that it's entirely secure.
it's along the same lines of 'anything that can be made can be unmade'. It's just one of those natural laws...there is no such thing as 'unhackable'. given enough time and resources, anything can be broken.
No...THIS is a bad idea!
...I wanted to get Slashdot's opinion.
I don't agree with your metaphor, but I do agree that we need a new one. When it comes to something like a virus, everyone goes for the "well if you left your house unlocked and someone robs you, it's your fault" but when it has to do with software/mp3s/dv/whatever the tune changes to "well it's digital, so it's not stealing". Theft is theft. Damage is damage. Whether the damage I do is breaking a window or crashing a server, the real world (think outside of the internet, people) has expenses that are paid with real money. Even if the damage is only to bits and bytes, someone has to pay the geek to fix it.
The solution isn't to toss them in jail or throw away the key, the solution is to get them to do something useful with their skills and then to use products that don't have so many security problems
Point 1: There are many new procedures in place now to help prevent plane hijackings and such. If you went to an airport whose security policy was "Sure, we *could* use these new security measures, but we're not gonna" would you get on one of their planes?
Point 2: 99.9% of worms running rampant are taking advantage of old, well known, patchable security holes. If your IT dept. tells you they *could* fix the problem, but they don't, what would you do?
So, in the first scenario, how quick would we all be to jump on the airport for being so lax in their security measures? Why isn't more attention drawn to the fact that sircam, code red, nimda, and everything else bogging down our servers is perfectly easy to fix?
that's a great idea to replace the original data, but once your above-average script kiddie figures out that the page he just 0wn3d resets itself to normal 5 minutes after he h4ck3d it, he may just be smart enough to go after your monitoring software. or crash the box. or find the original data that's being used for backup, and replace it. and it doesn't even touch the problem that once a hole is found, it's there until you patch it. the 'simple solution' is to check your logs, find the hole, and patch patch patch. maybe these companies will start to care when somebody makes it through to the database servers that they thought were bulletproof. if the web defacement you don't care about turns out to be a listing of your customer credit card records, you may suddenly find yourself caring.