I think that we need to look at this decision more closely. This radically alters the nature of IP in America.
The point here is not that they shut down audiogalaxy, it's that the precedent set is quite simple...If you do not have specific permission to touch this IP, you cannot. This hereby executes the concept of public domain anything. It can't be public domain if I have to specifically allow each bit of IP I own to be shared, I now have to actively promote it's trade. Items which have no copyright owner, or none that can be found, are simply dead. What happens when the copyrights expire?
This isn't about controlling copyrighted works. This is about killing off buzz engines that aren't under the knee of RIAA. RIAA's CD sales are down, but the indy scene is more alive and vibrant than ever. Every indy listener I know lives on AG (this town has country stations, public radio, and, surprise! Clear Channel Communications.)
RIAA would like to drown out the entire world of independant music. Laws like this serve only to restrict any scene without a corporate mother to clear each track as it goes up. Combined with artificial cost increases in the Internet Radio business, and what you have is simply corporate domination through elimination of any inexspensive way for artists and fans to have a real international scene, idea machine, and society.
WTF is this...I have to opt-out to have privacy and peace, but opt-in to b e heard. Who's your daddy?
So how does this "Deep Linking" affect search engines like google? When I want to know about a story, I punch it in google, and get "Deep Linked" the stories I'm looking for. (Geez...I never knew my actions were so ominous. I feel pretty Secret-Agent Sly doing all this Deep Linking:) )
But seriously...this is disturbing. Now that the most natural and fundamental concept has an ominous name, it can't be long before someone really tries to make it illegal.
Realistically, the web content available on the net is basically useless without "Deep Linking." Whether we are talking about Google's spiders crawling and categorizing everything available publically, or the more sophisticated but less efficient data mining of a forum sharing links to content of community interest, these "Deep Link" collections are the lifeblood of the Internet.
2 years ago, I never would have worried that this would become regulated. Now, I'm not so sure.
Umm....you know, if we go about it that way, we can always claim a failing on MS part because they didn't include this, or that, because all our sofware is free! but um, none of it integrates ar works together too well, and every distribution insists on lumping a huge pile together, instead of putting together a UI and application set that makes sense for the new user. And the OS integration of the most common decendant of pkzip is complete, even overbearing (add to zip in every right click menu?)
Apple claims that Aqua follows the OpenStep Specification they published, which has been the working document for GNUStep. This should supposedly mean OS/X native apps are code compatible with at least, Darwin+GNUStep. (Darwin is a wierd little critter...)
In reality, there aren't any significant OS/X native apps. Like the changeover from 68k to PPC MacOS, there is a ton of legacy support, so much so that it may take years before apps stop reusing old MacOS code. Why rewrite every chunk of code that still works...Apple had 68k code running in emulation in MacOS 8.6.
And just because it bugs me, I have to remind people that MS word is a Mac app ported to windoze, not the other way around. MS was a Mac app vendor long before they had a functional GUI-OS of thier own. This was the source of the word 2> word 6 jump around win95 days. The apple version was several major revs ahead, having been around since 1985 or 86. So MS synced the rev numbers by hopping from 2 to 6 in winword, as 6 was the current Mac version
So far...no disruption here in north AL on comcast. box has been happily NFS mounted to work all night:)...not release and renew, no IP change (maybe I wan't even have to update DNS records)
Umm...I am an @home user, I have no windows machines at home or work, and I am not clueless. Such arrogance... spam and a lot of attacks are part of life now that bandwidth is for everyone...you should see the amount of bullshit traffic I put up with being IN the @home network...I have to autoclean my logs of common windows attacks. But hey..script kiddies get broadband too. It's called democracy...go join soccer moms against basdy dressed neighbors or something. You, sir, are an ass.
The most important factor in learning linux seems to be not what distro you start with, but whether you can stomach thrashing, crashing, wiping, and abusing your box. I personally used an old Pentium I box and slackware...nothing comes up pretty, and everything's a lot of work.
Don't tie up your linux box with data you can't stand to lose. The important thing for the first six months is discovery. "What does 'everything is a file' actually mean?" What happens if I "rm -fR.*" (bad things....) I think maybe you might try running one of the slick three (Mandrake-Redhat-Suse) on one partition, so you can see your eventual goal. Run slack on another partition, as it will give you a much better idea what's going on. Get everything configured in slack, and you will have earned your first badge of honor.
"The true Way to the Knowledge of the Source is not the timid and footling way of the Student, but the Divine Foolery of the Hacker. Hack, then; strive against Mighty Problems, have joy in thy Striving, and let the Crashes fall where they may (maintaining the while, for the Good of thy Karma, a Rigorous Backup Policy)."
Eric Raymond from 'The Logitanaka' Truer words were never spoken....read it!
Thought they bought the whole story from AP, news outlets are free to 'shorten' AP pieces to fit thier outlet's real estate valuations. A large piece picked up by the AP from the New York Times may become a paragraph in the Wetumpka Daily.
The story was attributed to MSNBC, becuase they printed AP news that may have been edited for length ind reader interests....who knows what scraps hit the floor? and why, exactly they landed there.
Can anyone find the original AP copy?
I think the idea is that a little power, applied at the right frequency, would set up a reaction with BIG results??? I'm not sure, I go to UAH, but that doesn't mean I understand much of what these guys have to say (I hide in 'puter lab) Anyways...at UAH, every peice of engineering is being readied for space travel...that's what the university is there for...founded a couple of years after Wehner Von Braun came to Huntsville
Slackware's package management, assumes that you know, or want to know, what you are doing...there is package management, but you have to check your own depedencies...oh well....sometimes I know what I'm doing...I don't really want the machine to argue. pkgtool and family have served to maintain my system well. and it is possible to convert all Slackware packages to RPM and build RPM based Slack...any one care to maintain that distro?
Ummm...why would anyone be cussing about package mangement schemes???? Take yer friggen pick, or build it yourself
I think, instead of one, we need three...maybe it's not as easy for a mac/win user to comprehend, but there are great reasons for the/usr and/usr/local directories, and I'd hate to see distros throw everything into a big pile. I have these on different partitions for a reason!
Maybe if we could codify where apps install better, so they always placed thier binaries in/usr/local/local, thier libs in/usr/local/libs. that and a comprehensive, agreed upon library version stamping system, so all libs can be in place and KDE 1.x and 2.x never trip on themselves.
The system is almost there, just from UNIX conventions, but most apps want to put themselves in thier own little directories, and I have to rearrange them and edit files to get them where they belong... not exactly what a luser wants to do with his saturday night!
Daddy? Why do you and every one of your 'puter friends wear glasses?
Well, once upon a time, using a computer was like sticking your head in a microwave while it was cooking, and staring at the lightbulb.
Good riddance to backlighting when it comes...hopefully, I children will never sit in front of a UV lamp strong enough to light the living room...they're blessed to be spared the 12 in. green mono.
I have to agree that Mandrake is a more value added distro than most...it includes a wealth of unique tools for making the system work...albiet only with mdk binaries!!!
It is definately the easiest distro to get up and running in...though as stated somewhere else in this thread, for heavy use, it's shimmer fades after a while...like when absokutely NO commercial binaries ran on my 8.0 install, no fresh apps compiled, redhat rpms didn't work, and mdk binaries are scarcer than heatstroke in Antartica!
C'mon...going open source means a little more work for the user, perhaps, such as keeping up with hardware specs...keep a notebook w/ such info, because paper doesn't suffer from file corruption.
(Never use a coffee soluble ink!)
lessee....when proprietary software was the only real choice, and my computer was pure MicroSloth, I could hardly do anything with it, there was no documentation, and heavy tools were an extra expense over and above the almost 200 bucks I paid for the OS...I coulnd't do much with my PC, except stare at the pretty blue sceen (or worse yet, chain directory errors.
Then I discovered Slackware...I mastered user level config, and went deeper into the system (and deeper, and deeper........) Now I have a real job, because I can work comfortably with most decent OS's...
So all my income above 200 bucks a week I owe directly to open source and Slackware Linux
Sure....pass the cup...I thousand, hell...I'm buiding a career out of this stuff...MS would have me flipping burgers and wishing thier new OS would run on my old hardware!!!
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I think that we need to look at this decision more closely. This radically alters the nature of IP in America.
The point here is not that they shut down audiogalaxy, it's that the precedent set is quite simple...If you do not have specific permission to touch this IP, you cannot. This hereby executes the concept of public domain anything. It can't be public domain if I have to specifically allow each bit of IP I own to be shared, I now have to actively promote it's trade. Items which have no copyright owner, or none that can be found, are simply dead. What happens when the copyrights expire?
This isn't about controlling copyrighted works. This is about killing off buzz engines that aren't under the knee of RIAA. RIAA's CD sales are down, but the indy scene is more alive and vibrant than ever. Every indy listener I know lives on AG (this town has country stations, public radio, and, surprise! Clear Channel Communications.)
RIAA would like to drown out the entire world of independant music. Laws like this serve only to restrict any scene without a corporate mother to clear each track as it goes up. Combined with artificial cost increases in the Internet Radio business, and what you have is simply corporate domination through elimination of any inexspensive way for artists and fans to have a real international scene, idea machine, and society.
WTF is this...I have to opt-out to have privacy and peace, but opt-in to b e heard. Who's your daddy?
So how does this "Deep Linking" affect search engines like google? When I want to know about a story, I punch it in google, and get "Deep Linked" the stories I'm looking for. (Geez...I never knew my actions were so ominous. I feel pretty Secret-Agent Sly doing all this Deep Linking :) )
But seriously...this is disturbing. Now that the most natural and fundamental concept has an ominous name, it can't be long before someone really tries to make it illegal.
Realistically, the web content available on the net is basically useless without "Deep Linking." Whether we are talking about Google's spiders crawling and categorizing everything available publically, or the more sophisticated but less efficient data mining of a forum sharing links to content of community interest, these "Deep Link" collections are the lifeblood of the Internet.
2 years ago, I never would have worried that this would become regulated. Now, I'm not so sure.
Umm....you know, if we go about it that way, we can always claim a failing on MS part because they didn't include this, or that, because all our sofware is free! but um, none of it integrates ar works together too well, and every distribution insists on lumping a huge pile together, instead of putting together a UI and application set that makes sense for the new user. And the OS integration of the most common decendant of pkzip is complete, even overbearing (add to zip in every right click menu?)
Apple claims that Aqua follows the OpenStep Specification they published, which has been the working document for GNUStep. This should supposedly mean OS/X native apps are code compatible with at least, Darwin+GNUStep. (Darwin is a wierd little critter...)
In reality, there aren't any significant OS/X native apps. Like the changeover from 68k to PPC MacOS, there is a ton of legacy support, so much so that it may take years before apps stop reusing old MacOS code. Why rewrite every chunk of code that still works...Apple had 68k code running in emulation in MacOS 8.6.
And just because it bugs me, I have to remind people that MS word is a Mac app ported to windoze, not the other way around. MS was a Mac app vendor long before they had a functional GUI-OS of thier own. This was the source of the word 2> word 6 jump around win95 days. The apple version was several major revs ahead, having been around since 1985 or 86. So MS synced the rev numbers by hopping from 2 to 6 in winword, as 6 was the current Mac version
So far...no disruption here in north AL on comcast. box has been happily NFS mounted to work all night :)...not release and renew, no IP change (maybe I wan't even have to update DNS records)
Umm...I am an @home user, I have no windows machines at home or work, and I am not clueless. Such arrogance ... spam and a lot of attacks are part of life now that bandwidth is for everyone...you should see the amount of bullshit traffic I put up with being IN the @home network...I have to autoclean my logs of common windows attacks. But hey..script kiddies get broadband too. It's called democracy...go join soccer moms against basdy dressed neighbors or something. You, sir, are an ass.
The most important factor in learning linux seems to be not what distro you start with, but whether you can stomach thrashing, crashing, wiping, and abusing your box. I personally used an old Pentium I box and slackware...nothing comes up pretty, and everything's a lot of work. Don't tie up your linux box with data you can't stand to lose. The important thing for the first six months is discovery. "What does 'everything is a file' actually mean?" What happens if I "rm -fR .*" (bad things....) I think maybe you might try running one of the slick three (Mandrake-Redhat-Suse) on one partition, so you can see your eventual goal. Run slack on another partition, as it will give you a much better idea what's going on. Get everything configured in slack, and you will have earned your first badge of honor.
"The true Way to the Knowledge of the Source is not the timid and footling way of the Student, but the Divine Foolery of the Hacker. Hack, then; strive against Mighty Problems, have joy in thy Striving, and let the Crashes fall where they may (maintaining the while, for the Good of thy Karma, a Rigorous Backup Policy)."
Eric Raymond from 'The Logitanaka' Truer words were never spoken....read it!
Thought they bought the whole story from AP, news outlets are free to 'shorten' AP pieces to fit thier outlet's real estate valuations. A large piece picked up by the AP from the New York Times may become a paragraph in the Wetumpka Daily. The story was attributed to MSNBC, becuase they printed AP news that may have been edited for length ind reader interests....who knows what scraps hit the floor? and why, exactly they landed there. Can anyone find the original AP copy?
Umm...MS press release specifically says they will put IE in the Add/Remove programs windows...
I think the idea is that a little power, applied at the right frequency, would set up a reaction with BIG results??? I'm not sure, I go to UAH, but that doesn't mean I understand much of what these guys have to say (I hide in 'puter lab) Anyways...at UAH, every peice of engineering is being readied for space travel...that's what the university is there for...founded a couple of years after Wehner Von Braun came to Huntsville
Slackware's package management, assumes that you know, or want to know, what you are doing...there is package management, but you have to check your own depedencies...oh well....sometimes I know what I'm doing...I don't really want the machine to argue. pkgtool and family have served to maintain my system well. and it is possible to convert all Slackware packages to RPM and build RPM based Slack...any one care to maintain that distro? Ummm...why would anyone be cussing about package mangement schemes???? Take yer friggen pick, or build it yourself
I think, instead of one, we need three...maybe it's not as easy for a mac/win user to comprehend, but there are great reasons for the /usr and /usr/local directories, and I'd hate to see distros throw everything into a big pile. I have these on different partitions for a reason!
Maybe if we could codify where apps install better, so they always placed thier binaries in /usr/local/local, thier libs in /usr/local/libs. that and a comprehensive, agreed upon library version stamping system, so all libs can be in place and KDE 1.x and 2.x never trip on themselves.
The system is almost there, just from UNIX conventions, but most apps want to put themselves in thier own little directories, and I have to rearrange them and edit files to get them where they belong... not exactly what a luser wants to do with his saturday night!
Daddy? Why do you and every one of your 'puter friends wear glasses? Well, once upon a time, using a computer was like sticking your head in a microwave while it was cooking, and staring at the lightbulb. Good riddance to backlighting when it comes...hopefully, I children will never sit in front of a UV lamp strong enough to light the living room...they're blessed to be spared the 12 in. green mono.
I have to agree that Mandrake is a more value added distro than most...it includes a wealth of unique tools for making the system work...albiet only with mdk binaries!!! It is definately the easiest distro to get up and running in...though as stated somewhere else in this thread, for heavy use, it's shimmer fades after a while...like when absokutely NO commercial binaries ran on my 8.0 install, no fresh apps compiled, redhat rpms didn't work, and mdk binaries are scarcer than heatstroke in Antartica! C'mon...going open source means a little more work for the user, perhaps, such as keeping up with hardware specs...keep a notebook w/ such info, because paper doesn't suffer from file corruption. (Never use a coffee soluble ink!)
lessee....when proprietary software was the only real choice, and my computer was pure MicroSloth, I could hardly do anything with it, there was no documentation, and heavy tools were an extra expense over and above the almost 200 bucks I paid for the OS...I coulnd't do much with my PC, except stare at the pretty blue sceen (or worse yet, chain directory errors. Then I discovered Slackware...I mastered user level config, and went deeper into the system (and deeper, and deeper........) Now I have a real job, because I can work comfortably with most decent OS's... So all my income above 200 bucks a week I owe directly to open source and Slackware Linux Sure....pass the cup...I thousand, hell...I'm buiding a career out of this stuff...MS would have me flipping burgers and wishing thier new OS would run on my old hardware!!!