It is us vs them. The problem is that a lot of "us" don't realize it and most of "them" do. Until "we" wake up to the fact that a war is being waged against "us" and that "we" are losing badly "we" will continue to get our balls in a vice.
You could not be more wrong. The fundamental feeling behind unions goes like this.
1) The management is united and organized and it's in their interest to pay as as little as possible while making us work as much as possible. Unless we organize and stand united we will be victims of cost cutting and abuse.
2) By organizing we can prevent management from arbitrarily firing one us to hire their sister in law.
3) By organizing we can lobby politicians to listen to us instead of them only listening to corporations.
Forming a union is self defense. It's also the absolute best way to piss of a corporation management. When ever they hear the word union veins pop out in their heads and they round up the goon squad. If you ever get pissed off at a corporation try to unionize their employees. It's fun (if a bit dangerous because they might actually try to kill you) and they will definately notice you. Much better then sending them flame email.
I disagree. The judge could have ruled the law unconstitutional (well it is isn't it?) and let them go. it was in his power to do so. More likely he is a republican and hates unions so he jailed them instead. if he slaps them with felonies then he can prevent them from voting democratic ever again. This is a very powerful tool that republican judges have to further their party BTW. It's one of the reasons you see higher incarceration rates and amongst people more liley to vote democrat.
Sorry you got caught in the net there penis but you have to realize that this organization has been ripping off the indian trust for a long time. Gale Norton told lies to this judge (I guess she is so used to telling lies she did not realize she was in court). She will have to stand trial for contempt of court (of course you'd never know this because the conservative media won't report it). The entire interior dept is as irresponsible and unethical as they get these days. All public lands are officially open for raping as well as the indians.
Like I said sorry you got caught in the net there but I don't blame the judge. He was lied to repeatedly and people kept disobeying his rulings. If you ask me he should have thrown the entire lot in jail.
I don't have to read the history I lived through them. I used both Turbo Pascal (which was a breakthrough application) and lotus 1-2-3 which was the killer app that made people buy PCs.
What mistake did borland make with Turbo Pascal? Turbo Pascal had a long and fruitful life. Have you ever heard of Delphi? It's a language based on pascal go look into it some day.
As for Lotus MS purposefully sabotaged all it's versions of windows so that Lotus would not run. Every time you upgraded windows it broke Lotus. Have you ever heard of the phrase "windows isn't done till lotus won't run"? it was a mantra at Microsoft for a while. The Mistake lotus made was thinking that the people inside MS were ethical as they are. Lot's of people made that mistake and they all suffered. They simply could not accept that people would be that slimy and evil and it bit them in the end. MS proved to be the most abusive, unethical, and evil company on the face of the planet. If Borland and lotus made a mistake it was not realizing this fact. They simply assumed that they were dealing with human beings. Now they know they were dealing with walking slime buckets. Of course many companies got stabbed in the back by MS including IBM, Digital, compaq, HP, stac and of course netscape. Now nobody trusts them.
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. I guess even large corporations can learn that simple lesson.
" i don't buy computers from stores. they are too expensive. i buy parts individually from the cheapest places on pricewatch, then assemble them myself. "
Ah yes you belong to that less-then-1-percentage of the population of the united states. Good for you!.
For everybody else macs cost about the same as PCs maybe less.
P.S. Memory is pretty cheap these days I would reccomend an upgrade.
All those companies (CP/M was not a company) made mistakes? How many? What mistakes did lotus make? or Borland? Borland made and continues to make great software. MS ripped off lots of things from them like the tabbed worktables in excel and the tabbed interface for example. Quattro was superior in every way to excel (including the dos version) for a long time. Alas even when you make great products it's useless to battle a company which can outspend you in marketing, programming, lobbying, lawyering etc. On top of all that MS raided the borland staff by agressively going after Borland employees (they got sued for that and settled for close to 200 million IIRC). The only reason excel won is because it was bundled with word and PPT. At the time the MS office was introduced it undercut every body elses software. The entire office suit cost as much as quattro or wordperfect. This kind of "dumping" is only possible because MS has a monopoly in the OS market. They can subsidize all of their other software no matter how inferior it is. Of course everybody had to cut their prices, of course profitability suffered, of course marketing budgets were cut, of course personell had to be cut, of course R&D suffered. None of that was due to a mistake and all of it was due to predetory pricing by a monopolist looking to expand their monopoly to other markets. MS can always do this to anybody they want. Nobody can do anything about it but suffer and die. That's the harsh reality in today's market. Like I said the only hope is open source (or perhaps a few well placed explosives not that I condone that kind of behaviour mind you.)
Borland continues to exist as a business and still makes some great products. Unfortunately they are alive only as long as they don't represent a threat to MS. The minute they do they will be wiped off the planet just like netscape.
What he said is just as stupid (which was my point). There are varying degrees of capitalism and socialism and communism in the world. Saudi Arabia is not capitalism but there are no bread lines. Sweden is more socialist but there are bread lines, Japan has a controlled economy but there are no bread lines, china is communist but there are no bread lines. And yes people die everywhere.
Wether people live in poverty has more to do with the character of the ruling class and the availability of natural resurces then anything else (well maybe having some undustrialized nation dropping bombs on you and imposing sanctions does hurt too).
Fine if you say so (I don't think you are including all the sub companies of MS but what the hell). IBM has debt, Sony has debt MS has no debt. MS has a larger cash reserve then most companies make in profit. COmpare the profitablity and the accumulation of cash and see how formidable they are. As long as they have a monoply (and are extending it to more markets) they can not be stopped. Right now the only thing that can stop MS is a well placed bomb or two. Neither the free market nor the govt is strong enough.
Once again you miss the point. For MS (before or after the monopoly) it's different. Before the monopoly the market was open for everyone. Everyone (including MS) could survive making a mistake or two.
After the monopoly MS could still afford to make mistakes and nobody else could. Even if a company makes no mistakes they could still be killed by MS because it can sufficate any company it wants by making free competing products.
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Really? Even if you did not use the same code? If you went to the snort guys for example and gave them some general advice or performance tips? Would it violate your contract to say to snort "under these curcumstances we beat the pants off of you because we ran such and such subsytem more efficiently".
Does your contract prevent you from pointing out where snort was slower and under what kinds of loads.
Well I can think of a few companies that sued MS and got a ton of money in settlements.
Sun won their suit flat out.
Borland suit got settled and MS gave them over a 100 million dollars.
The Coral suit was settled when MS dumped a bunch om money in their laps.
Apple also got a ton of money in exchange for dropping their suit.
As for the DOJ action that was taken by the govt. The govt won that case too and the verdict was upheld. Of course while on trial MS spread around the cash and got their butt boy in the AG position and their pupper in the white house so they got rewarded instead of punished but that's a different story.
All in all MS made out great in the lawsuits. The money they gave out in settlements was a tiny percentage of their profits from stealing other peoples technologies and employees and the DOJ handed them a licence to steal. Not bad at all.
You do realize how much 50 million is don't you? Very few companies in the world generate revenues over 50 million let alone spend 50 million to develop a product that they will give away. I can't think of one other company which can afford to do such a thing.
"Microsoft was making mistakes and recovering from them better than anybody else way before they became a monopoly. "
I think you just made his point. In a fair market with lots of healthy copetition a company can make a mistake or two and still survive. Before MS has a monopoly the market was wide open and lots of comapnies took risks, failed some, and still survived. Once MS got their monopolies all other companies who took risks and failed immediately collapsed. In todays software market one mistake will doom any company who competes with MS. MS can crive any company it wants out of business by netscaping them. Make a competing product, give it away for free, bundle it with windows, force people to use it when they want to use other software.
In todays market there is only room for open source and MS everybody else is dying.
"Didn't work for IBM in the early 90's, didn't work for Detroit in the late 70's and early 80's, still doesn't work for the government."
I didn't know the govt was going out of business.
Over 75 percent of businesses fail. When they do they shaft most of the shareholders (the big ones cash out before the shit hits) and all of their customers and often a significant potion of the public at large (see enron and excite@home). Alas the govt does not have the same luxury. Could you imagine if the social security decided one day that it was just not profitable to give away money and closed up shop? Man wouldn't that be funny!.
Either way it's simply insane to say MS has bet it's business on c# or.NET. MS owns hundreds of companies, makes dumptrucks of money on selling office and windows. In fact MS makes more money as a venture capital firm then as a software firm. If they were "betting the company on C#" why are they hedging their bets with the X-box?
Like I said the author of the article is simply insane or just insanely stupid.
Well I guess that market is shot then. You and the three thousand other people who work in music studios will have to use other software. What amazes me is that you work in a studio but use PCs and windows. You represent one of the smallest niches in software I would not hold my breath for any open source alternatives. Fork over the bucks and move on.
"The bulk of these are written in Visual Basic, so what are you going to do with them in your ideal Linux world?"
Linux has no shortage of programming languages. From perl, python to java to kylix. There is nothing you can do with VB on windows that you can't do in linux using one of the above mentioned tools.
If a company does switch to linux then the VB programmers will have to learn a new language. It's also very likely they will quit as VB developers buy into the MS religion pretty heavy. For those remaining behind they fill find switching to java or kylix is no more difficult then switching to VB.NET or C# (neither of which is very VB like).
Most likely your core of VB developers is completely unaware of competing products or simply has accepted MS as a religion. As I said they will all have to learn a brand new language called VB.NET anyways. It seems like they would rather learn a new MS language then a new non-MS one.
"If they can torture you into giving up the passwords they can just torture you into confessing...."
This is an important point. If they don't believe you then you can get tortured no matter what. In the US they will simply ship you to israel where torture is legal and then the israeli govt can tell the US what you confessed to dusring your rape with an electrical dildo.
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It is us vs them. The problem is that a lot of "us" don't realize it and most of "them" do. Until "we" wake up to the fact that a war is being waged against "us" and that "we" are losing badly "we" will continue to get our balls in a vice.
You could not be more wrong. The fundamental feeling behind unions goes like this.
1) The management is united and organized and it's in their interest to pay as as little as possible while making us work as much as possible. Unless we organize and stand united we will be victims of cost cutting and abuse.
2) By organizing we can prevent management from arbitrarily firing one us to hire their sister in law.
3) By organizing we can lobby politicians to listen to us instead of them only listening to corporations.
Forming a union is self defense. It's also the absolute best way to piss of a corporation management. When ever they hear the word union veins pop out in their heads and they round up the goon squad. If you ever get pissed off at a corporation try to unionize their employees. It's fun (if a bit dangerous because they might actually try to kill you) and they will definately notice you. Much better then sending them flame email.
God why are moderators so stupid as to mark this idiot troll a 4.
Do the math fuckhead they live in NJ. You know what the cost of living is like over there?
OH BTW. If I ran the world teachers would get paid ten times what engineers do. Especially idiots engineers like you. You disgrace your profession.
I disagree. The judge could have ruled the law unconstitutional (well it is isn't it?) and let them go. it was in his power to do so. More likely he is a republican and hates unions so he jailed them instead. if he slaps them with felonies then he can prevent them from voting democratic ever again. This is a very powerful tool that republican judges have to further their party BTW. It's one of the reasons you see higher incarceration rates and amongst people more liley to vote democrat.
Sorry you got caught in the net there penis but you have to realize that this organization has been ripping off the indian trust for a long time. Gale Norton told lies to this judge (I guess she is so used to telling lies she did not realize she was in court). She will have to stand trial for contempt of court (of course you'd never know this because the conservative media won't report it). The entire interior dept is as irresponsible and unethical as they get these days. All public lands are officially open for raping as well as the indians.
Like I said sorry you got caught in the net there but I don't blame the judge. He was lied to repeatedly and people kept disobeying his rulings. If you ask me he should have thrown the entire lot in jail.
I don't have to read the history I lived through them. I used both Turbo Pascal (which was a breakthrough application) and lotus 1-2-3 which was the killer app that made people buy PCs.
What mistake did borland make with Turbo Pascal? Turbo Pascal had a long and fruitful life. Have you ever heard of Delphi? It's a language based on pascal go look into it some day.
As for Lotus MS purposefully sabotaged all it's versions of windows so that Lotus would not run. Every time you upgraded windows it broke Lotus. Have you ever heard of the phrase "windows isn't done till lotus won't run"? it was a mantra at Microsoft for a while. The Mistake lotus made was thinking that the people inside MS were ethical as they are. Lot's of people made that mistake and they all suffered. They simply could not accept that people would be that slimy and evil and it bit them in the end. MS proved to be the most abusive, unethical, and evil company on the face of the planet. If Borland and lotus made a mistake it was not realizing this fact. They simply assumed that they were dealing with human beings. Now they know they were dealing with walking slime buckets. Of course many companies got stabbed in the back by MS including IBM, Digital, compaq, HP, stac and of course netscape. Now nobody trusts them.
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. I guess even large corporations can learn that simple lesson.
" i don't buy computers from stores. they are too expensive. i buy parts individually from the cheapest places on pricewatch, then assemble them myself. "
Ah yes you belong to that less-then-1-percentage of the population of the united states. Good for you!.
For everybody else macs cost about the same as PCs maybe less.
P.S. Memory is pretty cheap these days I would reccomend an upgrade.
All those companies (CP/M was not a company) made mistakes? How many? What mistakes did lotus make? or Borland? Borland made and continues to make great software. MS ripped off lots of things from them like the tabbed worktables in excel and the tabbed interface for example. Quattro was superior in every way to excel (including the dos version) for a long time. Alas even when you make great products it's useless to battle a company which can outspend you in marketing, programming, lobbying, lawyering etc. On top of all that MS raided the borland staff by agressively going after Borland employees (they got sued for that and settled for close to 200 million IIRC). The only reason excel won is because it was bundled with word and PPT. At the time the MS office was introduced it undercut every body elses software. The entire office suit cost as much as quattro or wordperfect. This kind of "dumping" is only possible because MS has a monopoly in the OS market. They can subsidize all of their other software no matter how inferior it is. Of course everybody had to cut their prices, of course profitability suffered, of course marketing budgets were cut, of course personell had to be cut, of course R&D suffered. None of that was due to a mistake and all of it was due to predetory pricing by a monopolist looking to expand their monopoly to other markets. MS can always do this to anybody they want. Nobody can do anything about it but suffer and die. That's the harsh reality in today's market. Like I said the only hope is open source (or perhaps a few well placed explosives not that I condone that kind of behaviour mind you.)
Borland continues to exist as a business and still makes some great products. Unfortunately they are alive only as long as they don't represent a threat to MS. The minute they do they will be wiped off the planet just like netscape.
What he said is just as stupid (which was my point). There are varying degrees of capitalism and socialism and communism in the world. Saudi Arabia is not capitalism but there are no bread lines. Sweden is more socialist but there are bread lines, Japan has a controlled economy but there are no bread lines, china is communist but there are no bread lines. And yes people die everywhere.
Wether people live in poverty has more to do with the character of the ruling class and the availability of natural resurces then anything else (well maybe having some undustrialized nation dropping bombs on you and imposing sanctions does hurt too).
Fine if you say so (I don't think you are including all the sub companies of MS but what the hell). IBM has debt, Sony has debt MS has no debt. MS has a larger cash reserve then most companies make in profit. COmpare the profitablity and the accumulation of cash and see how formidable they are. As long as they have a monoply (and are extending it to more markets) they can not be stopped. Right now the only thing that can stop MS is a well placed bomb or two. Neither the free market nor the govt is strong enough.
Once again you miss the point. For MS (before or after the monopoly) it's different. Before the monopoly the market was open for everyone. Everyone (including MS) could survive making a mistake or two.
After the monopoly MS could still afford to make mistakes and nobody else could. Even if a company makes no mistakes they could still be killed by MS because it can sufficate any company it wants by making free competing products.
Really? Even if you did not use the same code? If you went to the snort guys for example and gave them some general advice or performance tips? Would it violate your contract to say to snort "under these curcumstances we beat the pants off of you because we ran such and such subsytem more efficiently".
Does your contract prevent you from pointing out where snort was slower and under what kinds of loads.
Sez who? Have you been to a store lately? An iMac cost about the same as a PC and in some cases less.
Gee America is caplitalist yet people still die here.
Are they going to use real kerberos or their own kerberos. In other words will you have to have a windows server?
well don't just stand there post an example.
And they say linux is hard to use. You have to fire up a C compiler just to delete a file. Sheesh..
Well I can think of a few companies that sued MS and got a ton of money in settlements.
Sun won their suit flat out.
Borland suit got settled and MS gave them over a 100 million dollars.
The Coral suit was settled when MS dumped a bunch om money in their laps.
Apple also got a ton of money in exchange for dropping their suit.
As for the DOJ action that was taken by the govt. The govt won that case too and the verdict was upheld. Of course while on trial MS spread around the cash and got their butt boy in the AG position and their pupper in the white house so they got rewarded instead of punished but that's a different story.
All in all MS made out great in the lawsuits. The money they gave out in settlements was a tiny percentage of their profits from stealing other peoples technologies and employees and the DOJ handed them a licence to steal. Not bad at all.
You do realize how much 50 million is don't you? Very few companies in the world generate revenues over 50 million let alone spend 50 million to develop a product that they will give away. I can't think of one other company which can afford to do such a thing.
"Microsoft was making mistakes and recovering from them better than anybody else way before they became a monopoly. "
I think you just made his point. In a fair market with lots of healthy copetition a company can make a mistake or two and still survive. Before MS has a monopoly the market was wide open and lots of comapnies took risks, failed some, and still survived. Once MS got their monopolies all other companies who took risks and failed immediately collapsed. In todays software market one mistake will doom any company who competes with MS. MS can crive any company it wants out of business by netscaping them. Make a competing product, give it away for free, bundle it with windows, force people to use it when they want to use other software.
In todays market there is only room for open source and MS everybody else is dying.
"Didn't work for IBM in the early 90's, didn't work for Detroit in the late 70's and early 80's, still doesn't work for the government."
I didn't know the govt was going out of business.
Over 75 percent of businesses fail. When they do they shaft most of the shareholders (the big ones cash out before the shit hits) and all of their customers and often a significant potion of the public at large (see enron and excite@home). Alas the govt does not have the same luxury. Could you imagine if the social security decided one day that it was just not profitable to give away money and closed up shop? Man wouldn't that be funny!.
Either way it's simply insane to say MS has bet it's business on c# or .NET. MS owns hundreds of companies, makes dumptrucks of money on selling office and windows. In fact MS makes more money as a venture capital firm then as a software firm. If they were "betting the company on C#" why are they hedging their bets with the X-box?
Like I said the author of the article is simply insane or just insanely stupid.
" I work in an electronic music studio"
Well I guess that market is shot then. You and the three thousand other people who work in music studios will have to use other software. What amazes me is that you work in a studio but use PCs and windows. You represent one of the smallest niches in software I would not hold my breath for any open source alternatives. Fork over the bucks and move on.
"The bulk of these are written in Visual Basic, so what are you going to do with them in your ideal Linux world?"
Linux has no shortage of programming languages. From perl, python to java to kylix. There is nothing you can do with VB on windows that you can't do in linux using one of the above mentioned tools.
If a company does switch to linux then the VB programmers will have to learn a new language. It's also very likely they will quit as VB developers buy into the MS religion pretty heavy. For those remaining behind they fill find switching to java or kylix is no more difficult then switching to VB.NET or C# (neither of which is very VB like).
Most likely your core of VB developers is completely unaware of competing products or simply has accepted MS as a religion. As I said they will all have to learn a brand new language called VB.NET anyways. It seems like they would rather learn a new MS language then a new non-MS one.
"If they can torture you into giving up the passwords they can just torture you into confessing...."
This is an important point. If they don't believe you then you can get tortured no matter what. In the US they will simply ship you to israel where torture is legal and then the israeli govt can tell the US what you confessed to dusring your rape with an electrical dildo.