Where does a 15 year old get 300 dollars to pay MS or Dell for support? Don't you think most 15 year olds would rather spend that money on a game console and figure it out themselves.
Sue Microsoft? You think a small company like lineo can sue MS? Unfortunately in this country might makes right and MS has the might. This is a company that can bitchslap the United States around like a red headed stepchild for god's sake. You expect lineo to sue them? Yea right. All they can do is post their reply and hope that there is some media out there who hasn't been bought by MS and is brave enough to carry their story.
Yes MS is Lying, yes every time any higher up from MS says anything in the media there is at least one lie. MS is a corporation of liars, thives and scum. It's their corporate culture.
Yes but are they lying in that white paper too?. I guess we both know the answer to that one. MS fires emplyees if they don't lie to at least 10 people by lunch. Ok maybe I am going overboard on that one but I can not think of one public statement made by any MS executive or mouthpiece (including the ones that troll here) that did not contain at least one lie. Same goes for white papers.
MS is a corporation of liars. No one can dispute that.
I hate to say this but yes I do think the judge will ignore it. First the election fiasco, then the doj throwing the MS case, now the massive stripping of civil liberties by the justice dept. I for one have lost however little respect I might have had for the justice system in this country. I look around myself and see justice sold to the highest bidder and judges taking into account the political party of the people in front of them.
I never thought our great nation would have sunk to this level of corruption but sadly it has. I know you have stated that you have refused bribes and gifts and such but judges don't. Many many judges go on "education" trips sponsored by corporations, politically motivated "think thanks" and such. Maybe if more judges had the ethical will to say no I would feel more comfortable but it's not to be. What makes you think this judge won't accept some "educational opportunity" from the cato institute or other pro-business, anti-govt, anti-consumer think tank and decide that she should take it easy on MS.
If you used mozilla you'd have a more fine grain control. Actually combination of mozilla and proximitron kicks serious ass. For those on Linux of course they have many re-write proxies as well as junkbusters.
Anyhoo. The ads are for the suckers. It's just another stupid tax. For those people too stupid to use mozilla, too stupid to use a proxy, too stupid to change their home page, too stupid to do anything but open their mouths wide so that corporations can shovel shit down their throats.
I say let the stupid pay the stupid tax. The rest of us can enjoy ourselves at their expense.
BTW. This kind of thing is exactly why IE invented. IE is not a web browser it's an advertisement delivery device to windows users.
The increase was from 250 per month to over 600 per month. That's a 4,200 pay cut or more like 10% of their salary.
So basically you admit at this point you were full of shit when you claimed they were fighting for higher wages when in fact they were fighting to keep their wages. At least that's some progress. Now...
So according to you any employer ought to reduce anybody's salary by any amount deemed "small" by you and they should just sit there and take it up the ass because it would "destroy public trust". Once again this is typical republican thinking. The economy is only for the benefit of the rich, capitalism of for those who have capital. Let anybody fight for their rights or ask for a raise and they "lose the public trust".
Why should the public trust people who are sheep and roll over?
Why should the public side with those who seek to take money away from families of hard working people?
Why should the public disrespect people who teach in their schools and pay for school supplies with their own money (because republicans like you hate teachers, hate the public education system, chronically and underfund it)?
The public knows much better then the rich about how hard it is to be a teacher in this country. You might not ever talk to a commoner in your gated community but the public interacts with teachers and students every day. They know who is right in this battle and who is wrong.
More then all of that they know that they are next.
"I can't think of a time when a country was bombed because they didn't sign a trade treaty."
Iraq. Also Iran but instead of bombing them we overthrew their democratically elected leader and installed the shah. Oh yea there was also that guy named Pinochet.
Have you asked why real estate speculation is OK, speculation of the future price of bacon is OK, speculating on stock prices is OK but speculation of domain names is not?
Here is clue. It's about who makes the money. If the corporation end up with the money it's OK. If a poor slob does then it's not OK.
What reagan did was a billion times more evil and illegal then what clinton did. Clinton lied about the whereabouts his cock. Reagan subverted the US constitution. Nobody in the press called for an impeachment of Reagan yet many many in the press called for Clintons impeachment. I think your examples point out exactly how conservative the media is. They go much harder after democrats then republicans. Look at Condit for god's sake. the man did nothing illegal yet he was dragged out beat up publicly on every freaking channel for months on end. Newt cheated on his wife (this was his third or fourth wife IIRC), he then left his wife when she was dying of cancer for a younger woman. You tell me who commited a greater sin condit or newt? Who got the bigger muckraking? Keep bringing up examples cos I have lots of these on file.
As for the indians I don't see where you are coming from with this "winning a lawsuit" business. The Bureu of Indian affairs (the interior dept) can not account for billions of lost dollars. That money disappeared off the face of this planet. The Indians are suing to get their money back. Gale Norton stood up in front of a judge and lied under oath and in a court of law. So apparently you are talking about something else. Go look into the so called "mis-management" of the interior dept. It looks like somebody embezzled a ton of money and nobody knows where it went. My guess is it ended up in some republican donor's account.
As for enron. The Conservative media will never tell the true story of enron. Not about the failed company, not about the influence of enron on the republican election, not about the influence of enron on Bush after the election, not about the pipeline thtrough afghanistan enron started and then had to stop, and not about enron insisting that the US establish a more stable govt in afghanistan so that the pipeline could be finished.
You have delivered nothing but inane statements like "borland tried to kill off C" and "borland should have ported turbo pascal to other architectures". Well I am pointing out that you are moron if you if think that those were sound business judgements. That's the most assinine thing I have ever heard in my like. Borland tried what every business does. Develop new products, try to diversify. Apparently you think this was a "mistake" and that they should have stayed a one trick pony.
Don't count on it. The rich countries could bomb anybody they want anytime they want. Look how we destroyed the iraqui army and the taliban in a few days. Just drop bombs from ten thousand feet in the night and kill them like flies. Look at palestine vs israel as an example too.
Hey what the hell you doing sprouting facts to a corporate apologist. Don't you know you are an ignorant gullable fool who has been duped by the liberal education system and the media! Shut up, sit down, and consume, god damnit before I drop bombs on your sorry ass.
"LOL. Offering $560k/year for teaching jobs would attract the worst kind of gold-brickers and remittance men."
My god then imagine what kinds of cretins offering 560 million would attract to corporate boards. Oh wait a minute I forget only the rich are allowed to be greedy and pursue higher salaries the poor exist to teach their kids and clean their toilets. God forbid they should try to provide a better life for their own kids.
" OTOH, when I want money I ask for it, and if I don't get it I go elsewhere if the market lets me. I do not -- and would *never* -- collude with my fellows to put clients/employers in a position where they have to knuckle under to me or go out of business."
Apparenty there is no end to your ignorance. Go and read the article you idiot. They are not asking for more money. The school district wants to raise their healthcare premiums by over 100% and they are fighting it. In other words they are fighting to keep their take home pay the school district wants to reduce it. Oddly enough a republican judge is willing to throw them in jail for it too. How nice.
Sorry to inject facts into your delusion there buddy but somebody has to.
Because captialism for the rich not for the poor. Somebody has to clean the toilets, rake the garden, walk the dogs and raise their children. They sure as hell aint going to.
Where have you been man? Here let me deliver you a clue or two.
Bill Clinton lied about where he stuck his cock in a deposition in a civil case. All media outlets covered this lie all day every day. Gale Norton lied about embezzling money from the indians to a judge in a court of law and it gets no coverage anywhere. Not on ABC, CBS, CNN or anywhere. All those pompous republicans on TV yelling about the "rule of law" are absent.
Hillary Clinton convened a "secret" panel when she was working on her health care thing and it was all over the media. Dick Cheney convenes a "secret" panel when deciding the energy policy of the united states and nobody says anything about it.
When Bill Clinton objected to the secret service being deposed it was all over the media but when GW seals off records and says "you will never ever see these" nobody reports it.
I could go on and on but you get the picture. The media is overwhelmingly conservative and overwhelming supportive of everything the republican administration does. Sorry but that's the harsh reality.
As for the indians you rant is silly, stupid and worse of all irrelevant. The topic at hand is not about them losing the war or if they have "dirty politics" (oh yea they are all evil and have dirty politics but we white people are pristine and pure in our politics). It's about the interior dept stealing money from them. The fact that you won the war does not give you the right to steal from them. the fact that they consider anybody to be a member does not give you right to steal money from them. the fact that they are liberal does not give you the right to steal money from them. The fact that they play political games does not give you the right to steal money from them. The fact that you don't like them does not give you a right to steal money from them.
Do you get it now? You do not have the right to steal money from them which is what the interior dept did and what Gale Norton lied to a judge about.
BTW. In the old days anybody who lived with the tribe was by default a member. Anybody who moved away was no longer a member. If they came back they were a member. The whole idea of "blood indians" was imposed on them by white people. It was a strange concept to them but you made them account for their members in this way. Funny how you are complaining about it now.
I guess it's true about republicans. They whine when they lose they whine when they win.
I seriously doubt anything borland did would have slowed down the growth of C.
The problem was that the guys at borland actually wanted to provide superior products. That's why they invented things like OWL and VCL. Alas they did not have a monopoly and could not push their agenda forward like MS could.
"They took their best programmers of TurboPascal and had them work on TurboC, TurboBasic, TurboProlog, Eureka, Spriiiint... "
So let me get this straight. Acording to you borland should have stayed a one product company. Not exploring new avenues of revenue and growth right? Oh yes that would have been much smarter. I suppose if you are dumb enough to think borland could have killed C then you are dumb enough to think you can sustain a company with just one product. And what are the other architectures they were supposed to port it to? All there was was z-80 and 8080. Or do you mean they should have ported turbo pascal to pdp-11 or VAX? LOL! what a moron.
"Delphi is but a shadow in popularity of what TurboPascal was. "
Yes and that has nothing to do with Microsoft right?
"None of this imaginary "sabotage" that you like to claim...
"None of this imaginary "sabotage" that you like to claim... "
I don't claim this. It is well documented just do a search for the phrase "windows isn't done until lotus won't run". The sabotage did take place and was reported widely in the computer media.
Oh never mind I am talking to somebody who thinks borland could have killed C and survived on one product, why bother talking to idiots.
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"Try running either on a microcontroller that can address a grand total of 64K"
What kind of a microcontroller is capped at 64K AND is able to run XP? I can't think of one perhaps you can.
The point is if your embedded system is running on intel then you have the MS options otherwise you are most likely to be using linux.
Oh man that was hilarious. Thanks you made my day.
Reboot again.
Where does a 15 year old get 300 dollars to pay MS or Dell for support? Don't you think most 15 year olds would rather spend that money on a game console and figure it out themselves.
Sue Microsoft? You think a small company like lineo can sue MS? Unfortunately in this country might makes right and MS has the might. This is a company that can bitchslap the United States around like a red headed stepchild for god's sake. You expect lineo to sue them? Yea right. All they can do is post their reply and hope that there is some media out there who hasn't been bought by MS and is brave enough to carry their story.
Yes MS is Lying, yes every time any higher up from MS says anything in the media there is at least one lie. MS is a corporation of liars, thives and scum. It's their corporate culture.
Yes but are they lying in that white paper too?. I guess we both know the answer to that one. MS fires emplyees if they don't lie to at least 10 people by lunch. Ok maybe I am going overboard on that one but I can not think of one public statement made by any MS executive or mouthpiece (including the ones that troll here) that did not contain at least one lie. Same goes for white papers.
MS is a corporation of liars. No one can dispute that.
"Osama-Why did you arrange to kill 4,000+ Americans?"
Minor correction the toll now stands around 3,600.
Doesn't palm licence it's OS to handspring?
"Think the Judge will ignore it?"
I hate to say this but yes I do think the judge will ignore it. First the election fiasco, then the doj throwing the MS case, now the massive stripping of civil liberties by the justice dept. I for one have lost however little respect I might have had for the justice system in this country. I look around myself and see justice sold to the highest bidder and judges taking into account the political party of the people in front of them.
I never thought our great nation would have sunk to this level of corruption but sadly it has. I know you have stated that you have refused bribes and gifts and such but judges don't. Many many judges go on "education" trips sponsored by corporations, politically motivated "think thanks" and such. Maybe if more judges had the ethical will to say no I would feel more comfortable but it's not to be. What makes you think this judge won't accept some "educational opportunity" from the cato institute or other pro-business, anti-govt, anti-consumer think tank and decide that she should take it easy on MS.
Of course they do. Would coke and pepsi spend billions of dollary trying to sell you sugar water if it didn't. If it didn't work it would not exist.
The main purpose of IE is to deliver windows users to advertisers. It's not really a web browser.
If you used mozilla you'd have a more fine grain control. Actually combination of mozilla and proximitron kicks serious ass. For those on Linux of course they have many re-write proxies as well as junkbusters.
What's with all the whitespace...
Anyhoo. The ads are for the suckers. It's just another stupid tax. For those people too stupid to use mozilla, too stupid to use a proxy, too stupid to change their home page, too stupid to do anything but open their mouths wide so that corporations can shovel shit down their throats.
I say let the stupid pay the stupid tax. The rest of us can enjoy ourselves at their expense.
BTW. This kind of thing is exactly why IE invented. IE is not a web browser it's an advertisement delivery device to windows users.
The increase was from 250 per month to over 600 per month. That's a 4,200 pay cut or more like 10% of their salary.
So basically you admit at this point you were full of shit when you claimed they were fighting for higher wages when in fact they were fighting to keep their wages. At least that's some progress. Now...
So according to you any employer ought to reduce anybody's salary by any amount deemed "small" by you and they should just sit there and take it up the ass because it would "destroy public trust". Once again this is typical republican thinking. The economy is only for the benefit of the rich, capitalism of for those who have capital. Let anybody fight for their rights or ask for a raise and they "lose the public trust".
Why should the public trust people who are sheep and roll over?
Why should the public side with those who seek to take money away from families of hard working people?
Why should the public disrespect people who teach in their schools and pay for school supplies with their own money (because republicans like you hate teachers, hate the public education system, chronically and underfund it)?
The public knows much better then the rich about how hard it is to be a teacher in this country. You might not ever talk to a commoner in your gated community but the public interacts with teachers and students every day. They know who is right in this battle and who is wrong.
More then all of that they know that they are next.
"I can't think of a time when a country was bombed because they didn't sign a trade treaty."
Iraq. Also Iran but instead of bombing them we overthrew their democratically elected leader and installed the shah. Oh yea there was also that guy named Pinochet.
Have you asked why real estate speculation is OK, speculation of the future price of bacon is OK, speculating on stock prices is OK but speculation of domain names is not?
Here is clue. It's about who makes the money. If the corporation end up with the money it's OK. If a poor slob does then it's not OK.
What reagan did was a billion times more evil and illegal then what clinton did. Clinton lied about the whereabouts his cock. Reagan subverted the US constitution. Nobody in the press called for an impeachment of Reagan yet many many in the press called for Clintons impeachment. I think your examples point out exactly how conservative the media is. They go much harder after democrats then republicans. Look at Condit for god's sake. the man did nothing illegal yet he was dragged out beat up publicly on every freaking channel for months on end. Newt cheated on his wife (this was his third or fourth wife IIRC), he then left his wife when she was dying of cancer for a younger woman. You tell me who commited a greater sin condit or newt? Who got the bigger muckraking? Keep bringing up examples cos I have lots of these on file.
As for the indians I don't see where you are coming from with this "winning a lawsuit" business. The Bureu of Indian affairs (the interior dept) can not account for billions of lost dollars. That money disappeared off the face of this planet. The Indians are suing to get their money back. Gale Norton stood up in front of a judge and lied under oath and in a court of law. So apparently you are talking about something else. Go look into the so called "mis-management" of the interior dept. It looks like somebody embezzled a ton of money and nobody knows where it went. My guess is it ended up in some republican donor's account.
As for enron. The Conservative media will never tell the true story of enron. Not about the failed company, not about the influence of enron on the republican election, not about the influence of enron on Bush after the election, not about the pipeline thtrough afghanistan enron started and then had to stop, and not about enron insisting that the US establish a more stable govt in afghanistan so that the pipeline could be finished.
I got lots of URLs if you want to read about it.
You have delivered nothing but inane statements like "borland tried to kill off C" and "borland should have ported turbo pascal to other architectures". Well I am pointing out that you are moron if you if think that those were sound business judgements. That's the most assinine thing I have ever heard in my like. Borland tried what every business does. Develop new products, try to diversify. Apparently you think this was a "mistake" and that they should have stayed a one trick pony.
Like I said you are idiot and moron.
Don't count on it. The rich countries could bomb anybody they want anytime they want. Look how we destroyed the iraqui army and the taliban in a few days. Just drop bombs from ten thousand feet in the night and kill them like flies. Look at palestine vs israel as an example too.
They will all sign or they will die.
Hey what the hell you doing sprouting facts to a corporate apologist. Don't you know you are an ignorant gullable fool who has been duped by the liberal education system and the media! Shut up, sit down, and consume, god damnit before I drop bombs on your sorry ass.
"LOL. Offering $560k/year for teaching jobs would attract the worst kind of gold-brickers and remittance men."
My god then imagine what kinds of cretins offering 560 million would attract to corporate boards. Oh wait a minute I forget only the rich are allowed to be greedy and pursue higher salaries the poor exist to teach their kids and clean their toilets. God forbid they should try to provide a better life for their own kids.
" OTOH, when I want money I ask for it, and if I don't get it I go elsewhere if the market lets me. I do not -- and would *never* -- collude with my fellows to put clients/employers in a position where they have to knuckle under to me or go out of business."
Apparenty there is no end to your ignorance. Go and read the article you idiot. They are not asking for more money. The school district wants to raise their healthcare premiums by over 100% and they are fighting it. In other words they are fighting to keep their take home pay the school district wants to reduce it. Oddly enough a republican judge is willing to throw them in jail for it too. How nice.
Sorry to inject facts into your delusion there buddy but somebody has to.
Because captialism for the rich not for the poor. Somebody has to clean the toilets, rake the garden, walk the dogs and raise their children. They sure as hell aint going to.
"Since when is the 'media' conservative?"
Where have you been man? Here let me deliver you a clue or two.
Bill Clinton lied about where he stuck his cock in a deposition in a civil case. All media outlets covered this lie all day every day. Gale Norton lied about embezzling money from the indians to a judge in a court of law and it gets no coverage anywhere. Not on ABC, CBS, CNN or anywhere. All those pompous republicans on TV yelling about the "rule of law" are absent.
Hillary Clinton convened a "secret" panel when she was working on her health care thing and it was all over the media. Dick Cheney convenes a "secret" panel when deciding the energy policy of the united states and nobody says anything about it.
When Bill Clinton objected to the secret service being deposed it was all over the media but when GW seals off records and says "you will never ever see these" nobody reports it.
I could go on and on but you get the picture. The media is overwhelmingly conservative and overwhelming supportive of everything the republican administration does. Sorry but that's the harsh reality.
As for the indians you rant is silly, stupid and worse of all irrelevant. The topic at hand is not about them losing the war or if they have "dirty politics" (oh yea they are all evil and have dirty politics but we white people are pristine and pure in our politics). It's about the interior dept stealing money from them. The fact that you won the war does not give you the right to steal from them. the fact that they consider anybody to be a member does not give you right to steal money from them. the fact that they are liberal does not give you the right to steal money from them. The fact that they play political games does not give you the right to steal money from them. The fact that you don't like them does not give you a right to steal money from them.
Do you get it now? You do not have the right to steal money from them which is what the interior dept did and what Gale Norton lied to a judge about.
BTW. In the old days anybody who lived with the tribe was by default a member. Anybody who moved away was no longer a member. If they came back they were a member. The whole idea of "blood indians" was imposed on them by white people. It was a strange concept to them but you made them account for their members in this way. Funny how you are complaining about it now.
I guess it's true about republicans. They whine when they lose they whine when they win.
I seriously doubt anything borland did would have slowed down the growth of C.
The problem was that the guys at borland actually wanted to provide superior products. That's why they invented things like OWL and VCL. Alas they did not have a monopoly and could not push their agenda forward like MS could.
"They took their best programmers of TurboPascal and had them work on TurboC, TurboBasic, TurboProlog, Eureka, Spriiiint... "
So let me get this straight. Acording to you borland should have stayed a one product company. Not exploring new avenues of revenue and growth right? Oh yes that would have been much smarter. I suppose if you are dumb enough to think borland could have killed C then you are dumb enough to think you can sustain a company with just one product. And what are the other architectures they were supposed to port it to? All there was was z-80 and 8080. Or do you mean they should have ported turbo pascal to pdp-11 or VAX? LOL! what a moron.
"Delphi is but a shadow in popularity of what TurboPascal was. "
Yes and that has nothing to do with Microsoft right?
"None of this imaginary "sabotage" that you like to claim...
"None of this imaginary "sabotage" that you like to claim... "
I don't claim this. It is well documented just do a search for the phrase "windows isn't done until lotus won't run". The sabotage did take place and was reported widely in the computer media.
Oh never mind I am talking to somebody who thinks borland could have killed C and survived on one product, why bother talking to idiots.