Well the government is providing some things.
A court system which enforces the corporations intellectual property claims.
An investigative and police force to aprehend and prosecute the thieves which will inevitably show up.
Negotiating treaties with foreign govenments to make sure all transactions are honored and enforced by local police forces.
Providing a legal framework to make sure all states agree to the same level of service.
I honestly don't think that corporations want to do this stuff themselves. I don't think MS wants to hire it's own international police force to aprehend, jail or otherwise coerce you to pay for your copy of windows.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
I have always wondered why all companies don't move around like this. There are a couple of states with no state taxes like montana and nevada yet there is very little.com industry in montana. Maybe it's not so easy to just pack up and move, maybe there are other reasons like the availability of talent.
In fact since most of these large companies make ungodly amounts of money why don't they just buy a country and locate there. I am sure that if BN and ebay got together they could easaly buy a small country in africa or asia. I don't mean buy it literally I mean buy it by bribing the king just like they do here. In a monarchy you only have to bribe one guy and maybe a couple of underlings not hundreds of politicians. As a bonus they may be able get a whole slew of employees at slave wages or even as literal slaves. As an alternative they could throw enough money at a future Pol Pot or Idi Amin and just literally enslave a country with their puppet as a king. Voila for a measly 10 or 20 million you have a country of slaves working to make cheaper sneakers and returning maximum value to shareholders.
I am sure this will happen one day I am just surprised it hasn't happened yet.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Hey maybe you can go to the public.microsoft.* newsgroups and complain to them they are biased against linux. That would be fun maybe I'll do that every time anybody says a dispraging word about sun, oracle, sybase, linux, open source, or other enemies of microsoft.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
For thousands of years the native americans of the north americas lived without industry, kings, barons, or even the wheel. They got married had children and died just like we do today. Some lived to be pretty old some dies younger just like we do today. Some got sick and died just like we do today. Most were probably just getting along doing what was expected of them by their society just like we do today. When it comes to it it really was not that much different.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A longer life expectency does not translate to a happier life. I had a friend who languished for years wasting away from cancer (exposure to agent orange by the way). By no means was his extra three or four years happy for him or for his family. It's very easy to hook people into machines and pump them full of radiation and drugs just so their flash hangs around for a couple of extra years and then say "see we live longer". You say people in chains die well I have news for you everybody dies. Just because people in third world countries die a more natural death and are not made into zombies by modern medicine it does not mean they are not happy.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
I questioned your logic in suing the government. That's what you called for. I still question your logic in that.
I have problems with making tobacco illegal. It's clearly as addicting as heroin and just as harmful. It's also the ultimate gateway drug.
Raising the cost of cigarettes does harm Philip morris if it causes more people to quit.
Unfortunately corporations can not be jailed. Even criminals get sued in civil court (O.J for example) and are made to pay outrageous amounts of money. Some even get aquitted of criminal charges and are found guilty in civil court. It's prefectly logical to treat corporations in the exact same way especially since they are rcognized as entities by the supreme court.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
You and I must use a different meaning of rich. Last I checked there were no union bosses in the forbes top 100 or the top 500. Maybe you could name some of the "super rich" union bosses and their yearly salaries. That way I can understand where you draw your rich line.
Here is where I draw my rich line. If you have your own jet you are rich if you fly commercial airlines you are not. If you are able to rent somebody elses jet then you are almost rich.
There are millions of people who belong to unions, some of them fix your pipes, some of them teach your children, some of them make your bed in the hotel. To say that all unions are run by organized crime is the same as saying that all casinos are run by organized crime. They are both equally valid statements. As long as management colludes and plans and organizes to keep wages low, the people should have the right to organize to counteract them.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
If the purpose of the suit is to punish the company then it makes sense that the people who are able to inflict punishment actually get the money. I of course have no capabality to punish MS but if I get together with a million other people we can "hire" a lawyer who just may be able to punish them. It costs me nothing and requires no effort on my part, the lawyer does all the work and should get all the money. Like I said the object is not to get compensation it's to punish the offender by making them shell out big bucks.
Having said all this I would much prefer that the principles of the corporation get tried in both civil and criminal courts and if found guilty actually go to jail. A little personal responsibility would go a long way towards making more ethical corporations.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
So lets see on the one had you have scumbag lawyers and politicians on the other hand you have scumbag death merchants who make obsene profit from deadly and addicting products. And you say the only one being punished should be the government.
Every body who made any money from a product that killed and tortured human beings (trust me cancer is worse then torture) are the true scumbags of the earth. they deserver whatever they got and much worse. Those billionaire CEOS are still living high on the hog and laughing at people like you who still defend them.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
You seem to forget the people lived perfectly happy lives for thousands of years without sweat shops or corporations. The idea that without exploitation there would be death and starvation is just ridiculus. Honestly where do you get this stuff from. America has the highest cancer rate, the highest heart disease rate, highest murder rate, highest crime rate in the world. So how has capitalism prevented death?
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Yes we should immediately abandon all hope that human beings might actually one day work towards a common good. All that crap that Jesus, Budha and mohammed laid on us was a load of bullshit. Screw god it's Adam smith we must all worship. Greed and gluttony are not deadly sins they are the virtues we must all strive to cultivate.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
It's a back scrathing mechanism. It goes like this.
1) Corporation bribes government
2) government taxes the hell out of people and criminilizes common acts
3) People get desparate because they can no longer sustain themselves by growing their own food or via bartering. Also with a good percentage of able bodied males in prison females are left to fend for themselves and their children.
4) These people flock to corporations who pay them just enough for sustinance thereby trapping them in de-facto slavery (after all slaves had to housed and fed too).
5) Profits rise and the corporation sets aside a small percent to...
6) Corporation bribes government.
See how it works?
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
If you want a pro MS slant please feel free to hang out at the ZDNET forums or the fawcette publications forums. You might also want to try any one of the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. It's a big internet and people have congrated around other people who think like them. I think this is what is meant by community by the way.
Anyway no need to whine just go hang out at the pro MS forums there are a ton of them. Oh one more thing when you are there please freel free to whine about the anti linux bias there too.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
It IS a zero sum game. What you fail to mention is that the economy is nothing more then a factory for turning natural resources into money. The expansion of the economy comes at the expense of natural resources. Some natural resources are somewhat renewable (timber for example) but nowhere near the rate at which they are being consumed. Eventually the world will run out of energy, clean air and clean water. Maybe the invisible hand will miraculously intervene at that point and manufacture new trees, fresh oil, and scrub the air and water and bring back all the long gone creatures but somehow I doubt it.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Why not free software? That way you end up saving the taxpayer a bunch of money too. It's very easy to examine the patches and keep your version updated. If you find any obvious bugs you could contribute them back to the world and acutally help the citizens of your country instead of some corporation.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Well DOH! Where the hell have you been. If you want MS biased forums please visit zdnet or fawcette publications. Also of course microsoft.public.* newsgroups. While you are there plese feel free to critise them about their bias too.
You may be the last person on this planet to undertand that every community is a community precisely because they share some common ideals.
Get it now?
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Sounds like the early macs to me. I always thought that MS came to domination because the PC architecture was more open then the macs. Maybe MS willing to risk a closed architecture but I figure they can't be that stupid can they? Evil yes but stupid no.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
If you have done any research into the arctic ice core research you would find out that yes indeed the temprature of the earth has fluctuated wildly in the past. Sometimes by 10 to 20 degrees in a very short time.
The atmosphere is a very myterious thing and we really don't understand most of it. Under these circumstances I think it behooves mankind to act in a very conservative matter when dealing with the climate.
A little known fact is that more important then overall cooling or warming is the degree with which the tempratures fluctate within the year. Over the past few years we have seen the extremes of both cold and hot, wet and dry swing wildly. Someone has to calculate the costs of floods, forest fires, droughts and mudslides into their calculations. It seems like some people only want to consider the costs to the businesses but not to the society at large.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
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A court system which enforces the corporations intellectual property claims.
An investigative and police force to aprehend and prosecute the thieves which will inevitably show up.
Negotiating treaties with foreign govenments to make sure all transactions are honored and enforced by local police forces.
Providing a legal framework to make sure all states agree to the same level of service.
I honestly don't think that corporations want to do this stuff themselves. I don't think MS wants to hire it's own international police force to aprehend, jail or otherwise coerce you to pay for your copy of windows.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
In fact since most of these large companies make ungodly amounts of money why don't they just buy a country and locate there. I am sure that if BN and ebay got together they could easaly buy a small country in africa or asia. I don't mean buy it literally I mean buy it by bribing the king just like they do here. In a monarchy you only have to bribe one guy and maybe a couple of underlings not hundreds of politicians. As a bonus they may be able get a whole slew of employees at slave wages or even as literal slaves. As an alternative they could throw enough money at a future Pol Pot or Idi Amin and just literally enslave a country with their puppet as a king. Voila for a measly 10 or 20 million you have a country of slaves working to make cheaper sneakers and returning maximum value to shareholders.
I am sure this will happen one day I am just surprised it hasn't happened yet.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
For thousands of years the native americans of the north americas lived without industry, kings, barons, or even the wheel. They got married had children and died just like we do today. Some lived to be pretty old some dies younger just like we do today. Some got sick and died just like we do today. Most were probably just getting along doing what was expected of them by their society just like we do today. When it comes to it it really was not that much different.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
I have problems with making tobacco illegal. It's clearly as addicting as heroin and just as harmful. It's also the ultimate gateway drug.
Raising the cost of cigarettes does harm Philip morris if it causes more people to quit.
Unfortunately corporations can not be jailed. Even criminals get sued in civil court (O.J for example) and are made to pay outrageous amounts of money. Some even get aquitted of criminal charges and are found guilty in civil court. It's prefectly logical to treat corporations in the exact same way especially since they are rcognized as entities by the supreme court.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Here is where I draw my rich line. If you have your own jet you are rich if you fly commercial airlines you are not. If you are able to rent somebody elses jet then you are almost rich.
There are millions of people who belong to unions, some of them fix your pipes, some of them teach your children, some of them make your bed in the hotel. To say that all unions are run by organized crime is the same as saying that all casinos are run by organized crime. They are both equally valid statements. As long as management colludes and plans and organizes to keep wages low, the people should have the right to organize to counteract them.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Having said all this I would much prefer that the principles of the corporation get tried in both civil and criminal courts and if found guilty actually go to jail. A little personal responsibility would go a long way towards making more ethical corporations.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Every body who made any money from a product that killed and tortured human beings (trust me cancer is worse then torture) are the true scumbags of the earth. they deserver whatever they got and much worse. Those billionaire CEOS are still living high on the hog and laughing at people like you who still defend them.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
not getting all the free goodies that they feel "entitled" to.
That's funny I have been reading slashdot for a long time now and I have never ever read anybody say that.
Oops I forget it's ok to lie if you are capitilist never mind.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
1) Corporation bribes government
2) government taxes the hell out of people and criminilizes common acts
3) People get desparate because they can no longer sustain themselves by growing their own food or via bartering. Also with a good percentage of able bodied males in prison females are left to fend for themselves and their children.
4) These people flock to corporations who pay them just enough for sustinance thereby trapping them in de-facto slavery (after all slaves had to housed and fed too).
5) Profits rise and the corporation sets aside a small percent to...
6) Corporation bribes government.
See how it works?
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Anyway no need to whine just go hang out at the pro MS forums there are a ton of them. Oh one more thing when you are there please freel free to whine about the anti linux bias there too.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
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May I suggest.
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A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
It died when MS gained a monopoly. Now inferior products are forced on unsuspecting people by stupid PHBs who read too many MS whitepapers.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
You may be the last person on this planet to undertand that every community is a community precisely because they share some common ideals.
Get it now?
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
The atmosphere is a very myterious thing and we really don't understand most of it. Under these circumstances I think it behooves mankind to act in a very conservative matter when dealing with the climate.
A little known fact is that more important then overall cooling or warming is the degree with which the tempratures fluctate within the year. Over the past few years we have seen the extremes of both cold and hot, wet and dry swing wildly. Someone has to calculate the costs of floods, forest fires, droughts and mudslides into their calculations. It seems like some people only want to consider the costs to the businesses but not to the society at large.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.