The problem is that in order to get a listing on the top 100 you need a 4 or a 5 million dollar machine. Who in the open source movement will put up that kind of money for a benchmark. The fact is only big companies can even afford to run such a benchmark.
I would love to see a set of benchmarks on machines most likely in production right now. Show me how the servers do a dual pIII 500 with 512 megs of ram. Unfortunately even if you ran the benchmarks Oracle and Microsoft would sue your ass off if you ever published the results. Check your license.
Well how about outer joins? Better collation options including better locale support and case insensitive collation options. Better statistics: Oracle can tell me which queries take longest or cause most scans. Support for synonyms and linking of foreign databases. A nice gui based dba tool. a better alter column. Better documentation Oh yea and real benchmarks.
You can either pay per user OR per power unit. In fact you can pay for a two year license and get a low entyr price. Considering the upgrade cycle for most software is two years anyway I'd say this is the way to go. If you have a 500 Mhz server a two year licence will cost you $2500.00 double that for a dual pIII 500 box. Not bad considering you are getting the best database on the market bar none.
I figure in two years nobody is going to be able to charge for a database though. Postgres is already pretty good and getting better and interbase is pretty damned good from the getgo. Unless you are running ebay or something there is no need to ever pay for a database.
Hong kong is an abbaration. First of all many many people in hong kong live in absolutely inhumane conditions. Apparently the millionaires in Hong Kong don't give a damn about their fellow human beings just like the millionaires in the rest of the world.
Secondly Hong Kong if put in a bubble would die in a week. Hong Kong can not raise enough food, water, or oxygen to sustain itself. It needs the labor of outsiders to provide the basic requirements of life.
If you use your car to transport drugs the government will confiscate your car. If you have joint in the ash tray at home the government will confiscate your house. If you rent your house and the renters do drugs the government will confiscate your house. If you break the law using your personal property the government will confiscate the said property. MS broke the law using their property. The government has a right to confiscate their property.
Unless you were protesting when they were confiscating houses, cars, and boats of drug users and dealers you have no right to complain now.
"A.) Microsoft has never sued anyone for patent violations, even though it owns thousands of far deadlier patents than this."
So what. Does this mean they will never sue anybody for patent infringement? Can you gurantee this? Why doesn't Bill G. come out and state publicly that MS will never under any circumstances sue anybody for patent infringement.
"Name ONE incident of Microsoft suing another company over patent violations. "
A quick reading of MS history (not to mention the emails that were made public) shows the top brass of MS to be ruthless, unethical, power hungry, megolomaniacal bastards. I would not trust these sliballs to babysit my dog. What makes you think these unethical and amoral people will never sue anybody anyway?
Look bub. The patent doesn't define what a registry is. Anything can be registry even a text file. If you think the word "registry" protects debian or red hat from a suit you are truly stupid.
The fact is MS has gotten a patent on a widely used technology. This allows them to sue anybody they don't like. This is not a Good Thing but it is just another "innovation" from MS. If you can't think of something new get a patent on somebody elses idea.
To me the motive is clear. Ms intends to either sue the samba team or have them thrown in jail. By now that agreement and spec has been widely distributed on the net. Any implementation by the samba team is now tainted . Coding has now become a criminal activity, welcome to the Wonderful world of MS innovation.
I have lived here for about 10 years now. Most of those years both houses of the legislature and the governorship has been held by republicans. While the economy of the rest of the US has boomed, montana's economy has been in a downward spiral. Newt Gingrich used to be fond of saying "definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing while expecting different results". By that definition the majority of Montanans who keep electing and re-electing republicans are insane.
Kissing up to mining companies, logging companies and wal-mart led to the decline of Montana. As long as this goes on there is no hope. I only hope people wake up one day.
I live in Montana home of perhaps the most anti "gubbmit" people in the world. Every where you go people are bitching and moaning about the evil "gubbmit". The irony of course is that Montans recieve much more money from the government then they pay in taxes. People in populated states like New York and California are subsidizing the Montana lifestyle. Trying to explain to montanans that the hated "californicators" and "noo yokers" are actually paving their damned roads is an exersize in frustration akin to smaking your head with a brick. They just don't get it.
There is an unofficial motto of the west that also applies to liberterians as well it goes like this.
Yes you are right. People with deeply held principles and convictions tend to do that. Combine that with the unwillingness to tell lies to appease other people and you get RMS.
As far I can tell unlike ESR he has never even implied that he speaks for me/us. He speaks for the FSF and that's all.
I actually heard of the Free Software Foundation first. Free Software Foundation definately had the ring of freedom for me. I checked out ther web site and said "these guys are nuts!". Well I still think they are nuts but I am deeply grateful to them and all that they unleashed on the world.
Then years from now when the history of the internet is written from a dispassionate perspective RMS will be mentioned more often then Bill Gates.
You got it backwards or at least you have not been around here lately. Every pro MS comment has been marked up way beyond what it should have been. Take a quick look.
One time I was a participant in the fawcette publications boards and let me tell you if you even mentioned Delphi, Java or any non MS product you would get flamed 100 times worse then anything that happens here. Go hang out at comp.databases.ms-access and see what happens to anybody who mentions oracle. Lets face it you have a choice of communities to hang out in. If you want to hear cheeleading for major corporations then hang out at one the their sites. This community just happens to like linux. Deal with it or leave it's a free country (sort of). There have been lots of karma abuses here but it goes both ways. I could show you links where people were moderating each other up on two or three day old threads to give pro MS posters karma points.
I think both are needed. A searchable document is very handy when you already know what you are looking for. A printed document is handy when you want to learn about the capabilitites of the program. I like bound documentation a lot and I would resent not having it. For open source software I tend to buy books. My biggest problem is bad documentation. A manual which takes 50 pages to say nothing of importance is all too common. So are documents written by the programmer who may be genious but simply can not explain to a newbie what he/she intuitively understands so completely.
Keep it concise and simple. Include lots and losts of examples covering different scenarios, explain all options in detail and how they may trip over each other. Use analogies to corrolate to concepts that the user may already understand. Don't veer too oftopic just fill some pages.
I don't know if you have ver been around any alchololics or not but success or failure does not matter to an alcoholic. In fact success=alcohol anything else=failure. Maybe it was some sort of deep seated childhood trauma or some brain chemical deficiency or some genetic tendency to addiction. It's sad and unfortunately we still don't know enough about it to say for sure. All I know is that money and success and love can not cure alcoholism nothing can. All you can hope for is to keep it under control and keep it from destroying your life.
Sure we all want all the wiz bang stuff but only if the hardware can handle it. Who want to surf the web on a tiny screen where the banner ads will take up 90% of the screen space and the text is barely readable. Who want to download MP3 files or streaming multimedia over a 14.4 modem that costs an extra $150.00 Oh yea who want to pay almost $800.00 for that privledge?
Honestly this product is severely overpriced and not suitable for the task it is being asked to do.
"Lets assume for a moment that free software becomes the way business happens. Every company, if it wants to keep shareholder value anyway, opens up the source, makes their softwre free"
I really don't know why this got moderated up. For the umpteenth time. Free software is about freedom and not about cost. Your scenario will never happen. Corporations don't value freedom they only value profits. In fact for a corporation there is no better scenario then slavery of a massive portion of the population because slave labor would represent the best return on invesment for shareholders. What RMS believes in freedom not cost free software.
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Still does not make any sense to me. If the wealth is being injected from the environment then clearly it's not a zero sum game. There are only so many trees to g around (and poor people don't own any of them) this means that as long as trees last wealth is being injected into the total sum of human economy but here is the catch.. Only the rich benefit because the poor do not own the land.
Technically you are absolutely correct but in practise it end up that the rich get richer at the expense of the poor. This is kind of like an economist saying "the GDP per capita today is greater then it was a year ago so we are better off". This state is true at face value but when you consider that the GDP is not being distributed uniformly what you really get is "the GDP per capita is greater then a year ago so some people are much better off and most people are worse off".
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"What you're assuming is that this is a zero-sum game where the total wealth of society stays constant, and that is NOT the case."
This does not make any sense. If the economy is not a zero sum game then why is money even valuable? A non-zero-sum-game indicates that there is an infinite amount of money in the world and that every single person in the worl can become a zillionaire.
In actuality the economy IS a zero sum game because the economy is nothing more then converting natural resources into products and services. Although some natural resources are renewable in theory in practice we use them up faster then they can regenerate. As long as natural resources are limited the amount of money theoretically available is finite therefore a zero sum game.
Productivity requires people and machines. People require water, food, energy, oxygen all of which are being used up faster then they can be replenished. Machines use up metals, manufacturing and energy al of which interfere with clean air, clean water, and available food.
Look it would be very nice to have some freely publishable benchmarks. Most benchmarks today include a license that says that you may not publish the results of the benchmark.
The real problem is crappy benchmarks that don't measure real life performance. Take databases. Every database has a unique set of data with a unique DBA who tunes it in a unique way. It may not even be possible to build a truly neutral benchmark to accurately reflect real life performance.
Also consider the fact that manufacturers will build in tuning tweaks to specifically perform better at some benchmark or another.
If you are going to build benchmarks make sure they take all of this into account.
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The problem is that in order to get a listing on the top 100 you need a 4 or a 5 million dollar machine. Who in the open source movement will put up that kind of money for a benchmark. The fact is only big companies can even afford to run such a benchmark.
I would love to see a set of benchmarks on machines most likely in production right now. Show me how the servers do a dual pIII 500 with 512 megs of ram.
Unfortunately even if you ran the benchmarks Oracle and Microsoft would sue your ass off if you ever published the results. Check your license.
I am soooo looking forward to your results.
Well how about outer joins?
Better collation options including better locale support and case insensitive collation options.
Better statistics: Oracle can tell me which queries take longest or cause most scans.
Support for synonyms and linking of foreign databases.
A nice gui based dba tool.
a better alter column.
Better documentation
Oh yea and real benchmarks.
You can either pay per user OR per power unit. In fact you can pay for a two year license and get a low entyr price. Considering the upgrade cycle for most software is two years anyway I'd say this is the way to go. If you have a 500 Mhz server a two year licence will cost you $2500.00 double that for a dual pIII 500 box. Not bad considering you are getting the best database on the market bar none.
I figure in two years nobody is going to be able to charge for a database though. Postgres is already pretty good and getting better and interbase is pretty damned good from the getgo. Unless you are running ebay or something there is no need to ever pay for a database.
Hong kong is an abbaration. First of all many many people in hong kong live in absolutely inhumane conditions. Apparently the millionaires in Hong Kong don't give a damn about their fellow human beings just like the millionaires in the rest of the world.
Secondly Hong Kong if put in a bubble would die in a week. Hong Kong can not raise enough food, water, or oxygen to sustain itself. It needs the labor of outsiders to provide the basic requirements of life.
If you use your car to transport drugs the government will confiscate your car. If you have joint in the ash tray at home the government will confiscate your house. If you rent your house and the renters do drugs the government will confiscate your house. If you break the law using your personal property the government will confiscate the said property. MS broke the law using their property. The government has a right to confiscate their property.
Unless you were protesting when they were confiscating houses, cars, and boats of drug users and dealers you have no right to complain now.
"A.) Microsoft has never sued anyone for patent violations, even though it owns thousands of far deadlier patents than this."
So what. Does this mean they will never sue anybody for patent infringement? Can you gurantee this? Why doesn't Bill G. come out and state publicly that MS will never under any circumstances sue anybody for patent infringement.
"Name ONE incident of Microsoft suing another company over patent violations. "
A quick reading of MS history (not to mention the emails that were made public) shows the top brass of MS to be ruthless, unethical, power hungry, megolomaniacal bastards. I would not trust these sliballs to babysit my dog. What makes you think these unethical and amoral people will never sue anybody anyway?
Look bub.
The patent doesn't define what a registry is. Anything can be registry even a text file. If you think the word "registry" protects debian or red hat from a suit you are truly stupid.
The fact is MS has gotten a patent on a widely used technology. This allows them to sue anybody they don't like. This is not a Good Thing but it is just another "innovation" from MS. If you can't think of something new get a patent on somebody elses idea.
To me the motive is clear. Ms intends to either sue the samba team or have them thrown in jail. By now that agreement and spec has been widely distributed on the net. Any implementation by the samba team is now tainted . Coding has now become a criminal activity, welcome to the Wonderful world of MS innovation.
but your burgers would be 10 cents a piece. Every thing you buy would be cheaper if advertising did not exist.
Huh? Who has more money? Whose friends spent 5 million in a PRIMARY election in NY to squash McCain. Who is Bill G. Kissing up to?
You are in dreamland if you think Gore has taken bigger payoffs.
I have lived here for about 10 years now. Most of those years both houses of the legislature and the governorship has been held by republicans. While the economy of the rest of the US has boomed, montana's economy has been in a downward spiral. Newt Gingrich used to be fond of saying "definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing while expecting different results". By that definition the majority of Montanans who keep electing and re-electing republicans are insane.
Kissing up to mining companies, logging companies and wal-mart led to the decline of Montana. As long as this goes on there is no hope. I only hope people wake up one day.
I live in Montana home of perhaps the most anti "gubbmit" people in the world. Every where you go people are bitching and moaning about the evil "gubbmit". The irony of course is that Montans recieve much more money from the government then they pay in taxes. People in populated states like New York and California are subsidizing the Montana lifestyle. Trying to explain to montanans that the hated "californicators" and "noo yokers" are actually paving their damned roads is an exersize in frustration akin to smaking your head with a brick. They just don't get it.
There is an unofficial motto of the west that also applies to liberterians as well it goes like this.
"go away and give us more money"
Yes you are right. People with deeply held principles and convictions tend to do that. Combine that with the unwillingness to tell lies to appease other people and you get RMS.
As far I can tell unlike ESR he has never even implied that he speaks for me/us. He speaks for the FSF and that's all.
I actually heard of the Free Software Foundation first. Free Software Foundation definately had the ring of freedom for me. I checked out ther web site and said "these guys are nuts!". Well I still think they are nuts but I am deeply grateful to them and all that they unleashed on the world.
Then years from now when the history of the internet is written from a dispassionate perspective RMS will be mentioned more often then Bill Gates.
You got it backwards or at least you have not been around here lately. Every pro MS comment has been marked up way beyond what it should have been. Take a quick look.
One time I was a participant in the fawcette publications boards and let me tell you if you even mentioned Delphi, Java or any non MS product you would get flamed 100 times worse then anything that happens here. Go hang out at comp.databases.ms-access and see what happens to anybody who mentions oracle. Lets face it you have a choice of communities to hang out in. If you want to hear cheeleading for major corporations then hang out at one the their sites. This community just happens to like linux. Deal with it or leave it's a free country (sort of). There have been lots of karma abuses here but it goes both ways. I could show you links where people were moderating each other up on two or three day old threads to give pro MS posters karma points.
"Guns don't kill people it's those damned bullets!"
Jake Johansen a comedian.
I think both are needed. A searchable document is very handy when you already know what you are looking for. A printed document is handy when you want to learn about the capabilitites of the program. I like bound documentation a lot and I would resent not having it. For open source software I tend to buy books. My biggest problem is bad documentation. A manual which takes 50 pages to say nothing of importance is all too common. So are documents written by the programmer who may be genious but simply can not explain to a newbie what he/she intuitively understands so completely.
Keep it concise and simple. Include lots and losts of examples covering different scenarios, explain all options in detail and how they may trip over each other. Use analogies to corrolate to concepts that the user may already understand. Don't veer too oftopic just fill some pages.
Clarity and completeness that's what I want.
I don't know if you have ver been around any alchololics or not but success or failure does not matter to an alcoholic. In fact success=alcohol anything else=failure. Maybe it was some sort of deep seated childhood trauma or some brain chemical deficiency or some genetic tendency to addiction. It's sad and unfortunately we still don't know enough about it to say for sure.
All I know is that money and success and love can not cure alcoholism nothing can. All you can hope for is to keep it under control and keep it from destroying your life.
I hear excite is using Tomcat is that right? Do you have link to tomcat I'd like to check it out.
Sure we all want all the wiz bang stuff but only if the hardware can handle it. Who want to surf the web on a tiny screen where the banner ads will take up 90% of the screen space and the text is barely readable.
Who want to download MP3 files or streaming multimedia over a 14.4 modem that costs an extra $150.00
Oh yea who want to pay almost $800.00 for that privledge?
Honestly this product is severely overpriced and not suitable for the task it is being asked to do.
"Lets assume for a moment that free software becomes the way business happens. Every company, if it wants to keep shareholder value anyway, opens up the source, makes their softwre free"
I really don't know why this got moderated up. For the umpteenth time.
Free software is about freedom and not about cost. Your scenario will never happen. Corporations don't value freedom they only value profits.
In fact for a corporation there is no better scenario then slavery of a massive portion of the population because slave labor would represent the best return on invesment for shareholders.
What RMS believes in freedom not cost free software.
Still does not make any sense to me. If the wealth is being injected from the environment then clearly it's not a zero sum game. There are only so many trees to g around (and poor people don't own any of them) this means that as long as trees last wealth is being injected into the total sum of human economy but here is the catch..
Only the rich benefit because the poor do not own the land.
Technically you are absolutely correct but in practise it end up that the rich get richer at the expense of the poor. This is kind of like an economist saying "the GDP per capita today is greater then it was a year ago so we are better off". This state is true at face value but when you consider that the GDP is not being distributed uniformly what you really get is "the GDP per capita is greater then a year ago so some people are much better off and most people are worse off".
"What you're assuming is that this is a zero-sum game where the total wealth of society stays constant, and that is NOT the case."
This does not make any sense. If the economy is not a zero sum game then why is money even valuable? A non-zero-sum-game indicates that there is an infinite amount of money in the world and that every single person in the worl can become a zillionaire.
In actuality the economy IS a zero sum game because the economy is nothing more then converting natural resources into products and services. Although some natural resources are renewable in theory in practice we use them up faster then they can regenerate. As long as natural resources are limited the amount of money theoretically available is finite therefore a zero sum game.
Productivity requires people and machines. People require water, food, energy, oxygen all of which are being used up faster then they can be replenished. Machines use up metals, manufacturing and energy al of which interfere with clean air, clean water, and available food.
Look it would be very nice to have some freely publishable benchmarks. Most benchmarks today include a license that says that you may not publish the results of the benchmark.
The real problem is crappy benchmarks that don't measure real life performance. Take databases. Every database has a unique set of data with a unique DBA who tunes it in a unique way. It may not even be possible to build a truly neutral benchmark to accurately reflect real life performance.
Also consider the fact that manufacturers will build in tuning tweaks to specifically perform better at some benchmark or another.
If you are going to build benchmarks make sure they take all of this into account.