I don't care what state you live in. If you shoot somebody you are likely to get tried. And you are definately not immune from a civil wrongfull death suit even in Oregon.
In wordperfect you can put formulas in your table cells you don't need to embed anything.
Either way I still don't get it. You create your business plan using excel. If you want it to look pretty because you want to show it to the bank you export it something and doll it up and print it. Once you have your numbers together you just want to print it nice. Why does your banker want to fiddle your numbers in you word document?
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nobody got their noses bent out of shape. they asked for contributions leeches like you did not contribute I don't think anybody accosted you for it. Now I am accosting you because not only are you leeching off of them you are also insulting them to boot. What kind of a slimeball accepts a gift and then insults the person who gave that gift. Your kind I guess.
I don't think you get it.
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If I took your software and changed a variable and resold it you could (and would) sue me for stealing your code. The only way I could duplicate the functionality of your code is to either licence it from you or to reverse engineer it. If I chose the latter it would be a hell of a lot more work then changing one variable.
The only way you could achieve this "change a variable and create a fork" scenario is take some software licenced under a liberal BSD like scheme. If you use GPLed or "closed source" licenced code you invite a lawsuit. It all makes sense. Some people (MS, SUN, etc) don't want you to steal their code so they hide it and will sue the pants off of you if you try to profit from their labors. Other people GPL their code so that you could use it but not steal it, If you try to profit from their code they will sue you too. Still other people don't give a damn what you do with their code.
Here is a summary: If you want to profit from other peoples labor make sure they don't mind.
"I guess it's OK for FSF to encourage people to use your software then slapp hand cuffs on them when they try release their own application under a different license that the FSF approved one."
FSF does not approve or disaprove software licenses. They have no such authority given to them.
FSF is unable to slap handcuffs on anybody at any time under any circumstances. They are not a law enforcement agency.
FSF can not under any circumstances prevent you from licensing software entirely written by you any way you want. The only time they will raise a fuss is when you steal code from people who do not want it to be stolen and try to make a profit from it. If you want to use other peoples code you should restrict yourself to code released under a BSD style licence. If you steal code from GPLed or closed source licenses you likely to get sued. You better believe MS or SUN would sue your ass off if you stole their code too.
I hope this clarifies some things for you. You seem to be confused about these issues.
Why are you people so dense?
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"If you deny people to right to create closed source software, you are eliminating Free Speech"
On what planet does the FSF or RMS able to deny people the right to create closed source software.
Where and when did RMS say he wanted to "ban proprietary software"? Please provide a link. How could he or FSF ever achieve and enforce such a ban? Is the president of the world or something.
If you make blatantly false statements like this people are going to think you are complete idiot.
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Sad to say geeks in general don't seem to be very charitable as a group. Maybe this has to do with their liberterian leanings I don't know. Silicon valley, seattle and other hotbeds of geekdom are full of millionaires but sad to say they don't share it. Seattle public shcools are in shambles yer Paul Allen get a HUGE bond to build a new stadium (the old is still not paid for yet!). Imagine if every geek millionaire gave just a few percent of their income towards helping thir own community get better we could wipe out hunger in california!
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I think the idea is to tie them up in court with tend of thousands of little cases rather then one big class action suit.
I really like this idea it would really tax their legal staff to appear in thousands of courts all ove the country (or the world) and would cost them millions of dollars wheather they won them all or not.
No you'll be the one in jail awaiting your right to a speedy trial on murder charges. If you get cleared on those charges you'll be working your buns off to pay off the attorneys defending you on the wrongul death suit in civil court. After you lose and are fined a couple of million you'll be lying on the ground in the street because you just lost your home and all your worldly posessions.
All because you chose to kill somebody instead of giving them your wallet.
Why do you want to embed a spreadsheet for gods sake? I mean you can represent tabular data without embedding a giant excel sheet into your giant doc file can't you. I hate it when people send me crap like that.
Face it if you are sending to document to somebody else you don't need them to edit the thing. Just output it into html or something send it.
Most people use word as their email editor in outlook anyways. You think your typical windoze clueless luser can grasp the complexities of word templates? Yea I don't either.
Yes. Both languages can act on COM object with the same ease as VB. I still use VB for gui stuff but I never use it for non gui data manipulation anymore. Perl is much faster and easier. When is somebody going to give me visual perl.
The best two systems I have seen for separating content from presentation are both based on java. Enhydra and Webmacro. You may want to check them out and both are open source.
" but really, you can't abjure responsibility by attributing personalities to the opposing sides"
First of all you should never use the "Personal Responsibility" argument when defending corporations. Corporations were designed and created to abdicate Personal Responsibility". To put it another way people use corporations to shield themselves and to shirk personal responsibility.
Having said all that. Here is the reality of the situation. Corporations bribe politicians to make otherwise innocent conduct illegal. Then when said conduct occures the corporation calls on their bought governments to jail the people who break the brand spanking new law. Remember this what jonathan did was not illegal a couple of years ago. It became illegal when the DMCA was passed. As long as corporations are able to foist draconian laws upon an unsuspecting public and jail those who would dare to disobey them they remain evil.
Jack Valenti needs to take some Personal Responsibility for jailing a 16 year old so he can make a few extra dollars.
I agree with you that OS-X will be significant developement but. So far we don't know how free it will be. The server will be somewhat free but what about the client? Right now people who want and need a nice GUI buy windows and people who want power and fun get Linux. Who is OS-X gunning for? power users who want a gui?
"Not, how do you explain the thousands of drivers for NT?"
The reason there are thousands of drivers for NT is because Ms has a monopoly not because the drivers are easier to develop. Also Nt has been around for a long time now and Linux is just starting to get popular. In a couple of years both will have the same number of drivers.
Oh yea writing gcc, emacs, bash etc just wasn't enough. Creating and funning GNU just wasn't enough. Creating and running FSF just wan't enough. He should be more like you and accomplish some REAL things like posting to slashdot anonymously pouring grits down your pants.
Is it kool-aid day at the cafeteria today schoolboy?
If you hate it don't use GPLed code. What part of that did you not understand you shmuck? Nobody is forcing you to use GPLed code. I have read some of your posts on this thread and I have to say you are one greedy bastard. You want to use other peoples code to make something and then profit from it while not compensating those people. If you want to profit from your code don't build on other peoples labor. Build it from scratch and sell it for whatever you want but you don't have right to steal other peoples code.
Look no one is begrudging you anything you idiot. Write your own software, use your own code and do whatever the fuck you want with it. The GPL can't touch you. If on the other hand you decide that you want to use other peoples code then pay their price. The price of GPLed code is that you must give back to the community which you took from.
"So like if a new device were to come along, the manufacturer could write a driver without any NT source"
This is because MS does not want to give their source every tom dick and harry who wants to write driver. I really don't see it as an advantage. You can get the source for Linux and can't get it for NT therefore they have different developement models.
I honestly can't figure out why our military is even considering using software they don't have the source code to. Who knows what MS employee from what country put what code in what DLL. I figure it must be much easier for some government to infiltrate Microsoft and plant a spy in there then it is to plant one in the navy.
BSD's are probably a much better solution cos they can change the thing willy nilly without being bothered by the GPL.
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I don't care what state you live in. If you shoot somebody you are likely to get tried. And you are definately not immune from a civil wrongfull death suit even in Oregon.
In wordperfect you can put formulas in your table cells you don't need to embed anything.
Either way I still don't get it. You create your business plan using excel. If you want it to look pretty because you want to show it to the bank you export it something and doll it up and print it. Once you have your numbers together you just want to print it nice. Why does your banker want to fiddle your numbers in you word document?
nobody got their noses bent out of shape. they asked for contributions leeches like you did not contribute I don't think anybody accosted you for it. Now I am accosting you because not only are you leeching off of them you are also insulting them to boot. What kind of a slimeball accepts a gift and then insults the person who gave that gift. Your kind I guess.
If I took your software and changed a variable and resold it you could (and would) sue me for stealing your code. The only way I could duplicate the functionality of your code is to either licence it from you or to reverse engineer it. If I chose the latter it would be a hell of a lot more work then changing one variable.
The only way you could achieve this "change a variable and create a fork" scenario is take some software licenced under a liberal BSD like scheme. If you use GPLed or "closed source" licenced code you invite a lawsuit.
It all makes sense. Some people (MS, SUN, etc) don't want you to steal their code so they hide it and will sue the pants off of you if you try to profit from their labors. Other people GPL their code so that you could use it but not steal it, If you try to profit from their code they will sue you too. Still other people don't give a damn what you do with their code.
Here is a summary: If you want to profit from other peoples labor make sure they don't mind.
"I guess it's OK for FSF to encourage people to use your software then slapp hand cuffs on them when they try release their own application under a different license that the FSF approved one."
FSF does not approve or disaprove software licenses. They have no such authority given to them.
FSF is unable to slap handcuffs on anybody at any time under any circumstances. They are not a law enforcement agency.
FSF can not under any circumstances prevent you from licensing software entirely written by you any way you want. The only time they will raise a fuss is when you steal code from people who do not want it to be stolen and try to make a profit from it. If you want to use other peoples code you should restrict yourself to code released under a BSD style licence. If you steal code from GPLed or closed source licenses you likely to get sued. You better believe MS or SUN would sue your ass off if you stole their code too.
I hope this clarifies some things for you. You seem to be confused about these issues.
"If you deny people to right to create closed source software, you are eliminating Free Speech"
On what planet does the FSF or RMS able to deny people the right to create closed source software.
Where and when did RMS say he wanted to "ban proprietary software"? Please provide a link. How could he or FSF ever achieve and enforce such a ban? Is the president of the world or something.
If you make blatantly false statements like this people are going to think you are complete idiot.
Sad to say geeks in general don't seem to be very charitable as a group. Maybe this has to do with their liberterian leanings I don't know. Silicon valley, seattle and other hotbeds of geekdom are full of millionaires but sad to say they don't share it. Seattle public shcools are in shambles yer Paul Allen get a HUGE bond to build a new stadium (the old is still not paid for yet!).
Imagine if every geek millionaire gave just a few percent of their income towards helping thir own community get better we could wipe out hunger in california!
I think the idea is to tie them up in court with tend of thousands of little cases rather then one big class action suit.
I really like this idea it would really tax their legal staff to appear in thousands of courts all ove the country (or the world) and would cost them millions of dollars wheather they won them all or not.
Death by a million needles!
No you'll be the one in jail awaiting your right to a speedy trial on murder charges. If you get cleared on those charges you'll be working your buns off to pay off the attorneys defending you on the wrongul death suit in civil court. After you lose and are fined a couple of million you'll be lying on the ground in the street because you just lost your home and all your worldly posessions.
All because you chose to kill somebody instead of giving them your wallet.
Why do you want to embed a spreadsheet for gods sake? I mean you can represent tabular data without embedding a giant excel sheet into your giant doc file can't you. I hate it when people send me crap like that.
Face it if you are sending to document to somebody else you don't need them to edit the thing. Just output it into html or something send it.
Most people use word as their email editor in outlook anyways. You think your typical windoze clueless luser can grasp the complexities of word templates? Yea I don't either.
Yes. Both languages can act on COM object with the same ease as VB. I still use VB for gui stuff but I never use it for non gui data manipulation anymore. Perl is much faster and easier. When is somebody going to give me visual perl.
The best two systems I have seen for separating content from presentation are both based on java.
Enhydra and Webmacro. You may want to check them out and both are open source.
" but really, you can't abjure responsibility by attributing personalities to the opposing sides"
First of all you should never use the "Personal Responsibility" argument when defending corporations. Corporations were designed and created to abdicate Personal Responsibility". To put it another way people use corporations to shield themselves and to shirk personal responsibility.
Having said all that. Here is the reality of the situation. Corporations bribe politicians to make otherwise innocent conduct illegal. Then when said conduct occures the corporation calls on their bought governments to jail the people who break the brand spanking new law. Remember this what jonathan did was not illegal a couple of years ago. It became illegal when the DMCA was passed. As long as corporations are able to foist draconian laws upon an unsuspecting public and jail those who would dare to disobey them they remain evil.
Jack Valenti needs to take some Personal Responsibility for jailing a 16 year old so he can make a few extra dollars.
I agree with you that OS-X will be significant developement but.
So far we don't know how free it will be. The server will be somewhat free but what about the client? Right now people who want and need a nice GUI buy windows and people who want power and fun get Linux. Who is OS-X gunning for? power users who want a gui?
"Not, how do you explain the thousands of drivers for NT?"
The reason there are thousands of drivers for NT is because Ms has a monopoly not because the drivers are easier to develop. Also Nt has been around for a long time now and Linux is just starting to get popular. In a couple of years both will have the same number of drivers.
Oh yea writing gcc, emacs, bash etc just wasn't enough. Creating and funning GNU just wasn't enough. Creating and running FSF just wan't enough. He should be more like you and accomplish some REAL things like posting to slashdot anonymously pouring grits down your pants.
Is it kool-aid day at the cafeteria today schoolboy?
If you hate it don't use GPLed code. What part of that did you not understand you shmuck? Nobody is forcing you to use GPLed code.
I have read some of your posts on this thread and I have to say you are one greedy bastard. You want to use other peoples code to make something and then profit from it while not compensating those people. If you want to profit from your code don't build on other peoples labor. Build it from scratch and sell it for whatever you want but you don't have right to steal other peoples code.
Look no one is begrudging you anything you idiot. Write your own software, use your own code and do whatever the fuck you want with it. The GPL can't touch you. If on the other hand you decide that you want to use other peoples code then pay their price. The price of GPLed code is that you must give back to the community which you took from.
What is so complicated about that?
"So like if a new device were to come along, the manufacturer could write a driver without any NT source"
This is because MS does not want to give their source every tom dick and harry who wants to write driver. I really don't see it as an advantage. You can get the source for Linux and can't get it for NT therefore they have different developement models.
If you got it for nothing then I guess you don't have much grounds to sue.
Why should he shut up doesn't he have first amendment rights? Or is MS now more powerful then the US Navy?
No they are responsible for building an OS that can't be crashed by a rouge application.
"So why the story? And why post it here?"
Because now not only do you know it, all the geeks in the server room know it but the govt knows it as well.
Since when are MS marketdroids posting here. Where did you get this from the MS web site?
I honestly can't figure out why our military is even considering using software they don't have the source code to. Who knows what MS employee from what country put what code in what DLL. I figure it must be much easier for some government to infiltrate Microsoft and plant a spy in there then it is to plant one in the navy.
BSD's are probably a much better solution cos they can change the thing willy nilly without being bothered by the GPL.